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A15295 A checke or reproofe of M. Howlets vntimely shreeching in her Maiesties eares with an answeare to the reasons alleadged in a discourse therunto annexed, why Catholikes (as they are called) refuse to goe to church: vvherein (among other things) the papists traiterous and treacherous doctrine and demeanour towardes our Soueraigne and the state, is somewhat at large vpon occasion vnfolded: their diuelish pretended conscience also examined, and the foundation thereof vndermined. And lastly shevved thatit [sic] is the duety of all true Christians and subiectes to haunt publike church assemblies. Wiburn, Perceval, d. 1606. 1581 (1581) STC 25586; ESTC S119887 279,860 366

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to the churches satisfaction or the parties according to the degree of the fault be it publike be it priuate Moreouer where one feeleth his conscience burdened or intangled with sinne and the remorce thereof and is not able to helpe or rid himselfe out of the snares of the Diuell there doe wee aduise him to choose for his comfort and help some godly learned and discreet man minister or other to breake his minde to to aske councel and to learne that may be for the benefite of his soule and conscience Thus whilest confession proceedeth from a religious and willing minde prepared by doctrine and exhortation in steede of your deuised downefall and breake necke to mens soules is it made by vs a soueraigne medicine and plaister to cure woundes withal and sicke soules For the often receiuing of the holy communinion this is no losse in our Churches whereunto menare dayly exhorted to come often and may receiue it in most places monethly or as often as the parish will and that in both kindes according to Christes institution comfortably where in the popish Churches to be houzeld once a yeere and then to receiue but a dry host without the consecrated cuppe as they call it too diuelishly was enough wordes are but winde you giue vs nothing but wordes either for your selfe or against vs and yet am I driuen to answer euen bare wordes How much a doe we haue to bring our countrie people to an often receiuing of this most comfortable sacrament vy reason of your popish custome of rare and seldome receiuing that they haue beene so long acquainted withall and thereby infected And what people they here be that moste refraine 〈◊〉 the communion not of superstition but of an opinion 〈◊〉 the seldome receiuing as they were wont afore time in popery may suffise none that knoweth but meanely the state of this Church can be ignorant In your talke of good workes leaue out merit and meritorious that ye bable of without all ground after a popish manner and let Gods order be kept and good workes ranged within the compasse of Gods law and commandements and esteemed by his iudgement and not by our fansie Let will worship and superstitiously deuised good workes goe and that being marked which I haue before written there will be no difficultie The Communion of Saintes as I shewed before your masse seruice Creede leaueth out how euer you vrge it heere and yet would I not haue obiected this as anye faulte but that you beginne deale so hardly with vs about the article of Descending into hell without cause and will needes make so haynous a matter of this doing Still I did you applye this to your selues and your religion 〈◊〉 keepe your owne law But sir this communion of Saintes is not to be had in your Church where the Pope is heade frō whō al the members of that body must take influence as you call it The true communion of Saintes is among the members of Christes mysticall bodye whereof hee alone is the heade from whom all must take spirituall 〈◊〉 being by God his spirit engrafted into him and coupled vnto him by fayth or which is all one hauing him by the same spirit dwell in our hearts by fayth On this and in this is the true Communion of Saintes grounded whereof for answere to you there is enough sayde before The summe is the communion with the Pope cutteth of the communiō with Christ so ioyning vs to Antichrist as head destroyeth also the Communion of Saintes VVEE are come to the nienth and last Reason which is taken from the example of Infidels heretikes meete mates for you and a fit paterne in religion for those of your side to follow a good sure foundation for your erroneous consciences meete as a poore helpe to bee kept for the last place but if your cause were good you would make better choise The Diuell is the father of such and their religion naughtie consciences and doings wherein the more 〈◊〉 they be the woorse they be for want of a good foundation and a good guide Obstinacie and peeuishnes in steede of Godlines may bee learned at these schoolemaisters and their doings falshood errour and lyes may bee 〈◊〉 from them truth and goodnes not at all or very ylfauouredly but where there is any sparke left in them it may be better fetched from a clearer fountaine So we may be free then frō learning a rule of conscience from such 〈◊〉 Let them serue you and your erroneous consciences if you wil learne no better Suppositions 〈◊〉 rayling at the profession of Christes religion here and nothing but such stuffe amplified by comparison similitude and example not woorth the answering I haue so much answered of an 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as I neede not stand therein now It 〈◊〉 to be your best Anchre and last refuge when your matters cannot be maintained with a good conscience and therefor both M. Howlet and you pleade it so hard in the beginning in the middest and here in the end for a conclusion of the whole treatise Good intents in poperie or your well meaning mindes as you can call them when ye list to speake thereof haue a great force The matter though it bee had though it be hurtfull to other is mended nay is made good by that intent or well meaning minde of yours Thus may heresie be good Idolatry good theft good whordome good treason good rebellion good and what not good and godly at leaste by his Dispensation all maye bee made good that hath so infinite power and 〈◊〉 as your GOD the Pope hath Ca mee Ca thee say they Excuse you the Popes whoredomes as 〈◊〉 whoredome c. As the 〈◊〉 be fore willeth and ye shall not leese all by his blessing absolution or dispensation c. Yee shal gaine somewhat he is no Churle he will playe the good fellow where he taketh His doctrine and canon law giueth greate scope hee can enlarge the same for his Darlinges But it cannot be so taken of her Maiestie our dreade 〈◊〉 here it will not serue to excuse that is amisse for that which is supposed and vaunted by you to be so forcible and strong as to persuade any to draw all is found what shoulde I say by her Maiesties and the States great wisedome Nay by any that list with indifferencie to examine it to be as weake as water Wherefore be aduised Leaue this hollow hollownes of poperie Embrace Christes true religion prescribed and described in Gods book cast away vice embrace vertue Be faithfull and true hearted to our dread Soueraigne and the state 〈◊〉 your selues and other Paply and profit in all godlines liuing together with vs in godly peace and vuitie to your owne ioye and ours Let God in all be praised and yee are welcome home otherwise as wee had as leeue haue your roome as your companie so for a watch worde and fare well take heede to your selues and prouide for an
proue this as he onely affirmeth the same and occupieth himselfe in prouing that requireth no proofe with vs wee shoulde haue more a doe with him He is occupied in shewing at large howe bad Schisme and Schismatiks heresie and heretiks bee how to bee detested and their company shunned what punishment they deserue and haue to looke for c. But that our religion and we are such and in this case there is hee for proofe in effect muet And yet except that be prooued not supposed onely the rest serueth to little purpose For the vnitie of Christes Church we haue diligently to obserue that as it is and ought to bee with euery of vs precious so to consider again that the same is grounded in the vnitie that we haue with our Sauiour Christ the father without whom there is no sound vnitie Further we haue to note that it is called the vnitie of the spirit for that it is begunne continued and kept by the spi rit of God in spirituall and heauenly matters And these two pointes be expressed in the very textes here cited by this Reasoner out of the Gospell and S. Paule for one 〈◊〉 forme of beliefe one forme of Seruice one forme of Sacramentes and the like that this man sayth shoulde bee in Christes Churche as it is very obscurely and shortly spoken so I see no such 〈◊〉 thereof So we may haue the substance and matter for formes we will not greatly striue If there be any matter of importance we like well the synceritie of Christian religion and Apostolike simplicitie bee alwaies kept The wayght force of Christian vnity lieth in deed in greater pointes than in outwarde formes wherof ye make mention out of S Paule and may see more in the Acts of the Apostles c. Concerning the testimonies of the Fathers we graunt with Irenaee that heretikes that bring strange fire to the Lordes Aulter that is as hee expoundeth strange doctrines shalbe burned as Nadab and Abiu They that rise vp against the truth and exhort other against the Church of God remaine in hell swallowed vp with y t opening of the earth as they about Chore Dathan and Abirom They that cut and seuer the vnitie of the Church haue the same punishment of God that Ieroboam had What is this against vs why may not the same bee applyed vnto you and your doctrines and dealinges with this Church Let the Gospel and Spirit of life be the Piller and strength of the Church Let it bee the foundation and Piller of our Fayth as the same Irenaee speaketh Doe not as Irenaee sayth heretikes doe and we finde you to doe who whē they are reproued by y t scriptures are turned into the accusation of the scriptures themselues as though they were not right nor were of authoritie both because they are diuersly vttered and also because the Truth cannot be found out by them of such as know not Tradition c and you will haue little vantage Augustine also in his book or Epistle of the vnitie of the Church against Petilians Epistle helpeth you and your case very little For the question was then where the Church was whether euery where or bounde to a certaine place person and sect or no As for example Aphrica Donatus and Donatistes then Rome Pope and Papistes nowe Augustine there tyeth the Churche to no Sea maketh Christe alone the heade thereof and the Churche Christes body dispersed ouer the face of the whole earth Againe Augustine alleadgeth and prooueth also out of the holy Scriptures as none can deny the same but hee that professeth himselfe to bee an enimie to the same Scriptures Let vs not heare saith hee I say thus thou sayest thus but let vs heare Thus saith the Lord. There be verily the bookes of the Lord to the authoritie whereof we both agree we both giue credite we both serue There let vs seeke the Churche there let vs discusse our cause I will not haue the holy Church shewed by the doctrines of men but by heauenly Oracles on infallible truth of God Nowe adde your wordes that you heere alleadge out of Augustine yet so if it please you as ye take the beginning of the chapter afore you and so come orderly to your wordes here cited which are after the beginning of the chapter whole Christ sayth hee is the heade the body The head is the onely begotten sonne of God and the bodie his Church the Bridegroome and the Bride Two in one fleshe Whosoeuer dissent from the scriptures concerning the head himselfe thus doe you in making vs two spirituall heades of the Church Christ and the Pope though they be found in all places wherin there is a church to be pointed they are not in the Church And againe whoeuer agree to the holy scriptures concerning the head himselfe and communicate not with the vnitie of the Churche are not in the Church because they dissent from Christes owne testimonie of Christes body which is the Church c. These be Austens woords agreeing with that is afore that we learne to discerne and know the true Church of Christe aright by the scriptures and not otherwise And that wee learne to beginne with Christ the heade and so come downe to the Church his bodie and keepe no preposte rous order Now let the reader hardly reade and examine your wordes and iudge of the whole In y e eleuenth chapter of the same booke of the vnitie of the Churche doth Austen notably write hereof Touching Cyprian Chrisostome and the rest for the vnitie of the Church we willingly admitte that they say so as with Cyprian yee will saye concerning false peace and agreement That is no peace but warr neither is he ioyned to the Church that is separated from the Gospell And w t Chrisostome or who euer it were ioyned w t Chrisostomes works for them that will knowe whiche is the true Church of Christ There is now no way to know y e same but only by the scriptures c. The ignorāce wherof brought foorth heresie corrupt life and mingled and turned all vpside downe as Chrisostome sayth elsewhere As for vs we ioyn with those that are built vpon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets Jesus Christ him selfe being the head corner stone c. We broch no newe doctrine no newe religion we make no separation But as we beleeue that there is a Holy catholike church and a communion of Saintes so as members and partes we ioyne our selues to the same dispersed ouer the whole worlde in vnitie of Christes true doctrine and in loue and peace with all reuerence The Antichristian Sinagogue of Rome as it reiecteth vs with Christ and his doctrine so againe doe we detest and goe out from it as from that Babylon whereof mētion is so oft and much made in the scriptures In summe whether we be heritikes or you Let Christ let the worde