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A69038	The theatre of Catolique and Protestant religion diuided into twelue bookes. Wherein the zealous Catholike may plainelie see, the manifest truth, perspicuitie, euident foundations and demonstrations of the Catholique religion; together with the motiues and causes, why he should perseuer therin. ... Written by I.C. student in diuinitie.	I. C., student in divinity.; Copinger, John, b. 1571 or 2, attributed name.; Colleton, John, 1548-1635, attributed name.	1620 (1620)	STC 4284; ESTC S115632	314,600	666

and tremblinge at his wordes and speeches Whether euery man ought to be iudge of the scripture and to rely altogether vpon his owne iudgment touching the interpretation therof being inspired by the holly ghoast concerning the same CHAPTER V. 1. THis is the assersion of William Whitakers in his booke against Cardinall Bellarmin for that saith he councells fathers and popes be men And the scripture auerreth all men to be lyeares and so no man can be assured his faith to be certaine and infallible Wherto I answer that no priuat man can be assured of the certitude of an infallible faith and therfore nott of the good spiritt rather then of the badde by whose suggestiō many are intoxicated with dangerous and damnable opinions for according to the Apostle 2. Corint Sathan often times transfigureth himselfe into an Angell of light and the fore the holy scripture willeth vs 1. Ioh. 4. Th 4. to be very carefull in discerning of the spiritts and nott to beleue euery spiritt for it is the holy catholicke church that wee ought to beleue and obey 1. Tim. 3. which the scripture beareth wittnesse to be the piller and firmament of trueth but it giueth no certitude or euidence of any priuat spiritt or pecular iudgment of any one in particuler and therfore the holy councell saith It seemeth good to the holy ghost and to vs Act. 15. which holy ghoast is said to be nott with euerie particuler man but with the church in generall and with those that haue charge and direction therof Ero vobiscum vsque ad consummationem seculi euen to the consummatiō of the world Matt. 28. And vnto S. Peter his successors is said I haue praid for you that your faith may not fayle Luc. 22. and seeing this priuiledg is giuen to S. Peter for the good of the church as the first and cheefe pastor therof vnder Christ and to no other in particuler as long as the church shall continewe the praiers and intercession of Christ shal not be frustrated And therfore S. Cypriā affirmeth the fountaine of all heresies to haue proceeded for that one priest for the time being one iudg for the time being vnder Christ is not regarded For which way saith he can heresies be preuented that they spring nott or being sprong already that they be nott extended or encreased wher there are so many masters as disciples so many iudges as barristers And for this cause S. Hierom saith against Iouinian amoungest 12. one is chosen that a cheef being ordained occasion of scisme should be taken away 2. The tables of both the testaments referred vs ouer to no particuler iudgment but altogether to the small decree and arbitrement of the high priest Deut. 17. as it is saied If there be any hard or doubtfull iudgment amongest you goe to the priest of the Leuiticall stocke and to the iudge that shall be ordained for that time and he shall enforme you of the trueth Whose lippes according to Malachias Mal. 2. shall keepe wisdome because he is the angell of the Lord of hoastes if he will not hearken vnto the Church Matt. 18. lett him be vnto you an ethnick and a publican And in the newe testament our Sauiour appointed one pastor aboue the rest vnto which he hath committed the feeding of his flocke which should haue beene friuolous if the flocke would nott receaue food from him Ephes 4. Afterwards he ordained pastors and doctors in his church which should be also a friuolous ordinance if euerie one should be a proper pastor and doctor to him self And although councells fathers and popes are men so the testimonies of the scriptures may also be taxed with the imputation of humane errors so were the Apostles and prophets men also yett wee ought to beleue them because the holly ghost was not a lyar that spake in them And so the ecclesiasticall councells fathers and popes being lawfully assembled together and assisted by the holly ghoast Matt. 28. which in such a case is promised vnto them did not erre 3. Another obiection they bring Ioan. 14. saying S. Peter was nott promised vnto the Church to direct the same butt the holly Ghost which should direct and instruct all the Apostles and nott S Peeter I answer that God promised the holie ghoast as an inuisible and internall doctor and director S. Peter his visible and externall doctor he left in his church And therfore S. Augustine saith Aug. in Ioh. 14. after promising the holly ghoast lett no man thincke that he shall so giue the holly ghoast vnto his church in his owne place is though him self also would nott be with the same for he auowtched he would nott leaue them orphanes but would come vnto them 4. And althoughe the holy ghoast was promised to instruct the Church in all trueth yett not without the Father and the sonne for their externall worcks are indiuisible for there is but one indiuisible substance and because the Church is a visible body so it ought to haue a visible viccar vnder Christ the inuisible head therof And therfore he saide vnto S. Peter Ioh. 11. Simon of Iohn louest thou me more then these feed my lambes which he repeated thrise first commending vnto him his lambes afterwards his litle ones the third time his sheepe and so expoundeth S. Ambrose in cap. vlt. Luc. 5. Nowe the power and iurisdiction which was promised vnto S. Peter Math. 16. that the Church should be builded vpon him that the keyes of the kingdome of heauen should be also giuen vnto him is accomplished and performed in the 21. of S. Iohn feed my sheep of whom he is actually made the generall pastor and viccar 6. And although the rest of the Apostles were lightes and priests and had authoritie also in the 20. of S. Iohn yet theirs was extraordinary which should end with them selues and whatsoeuer authority they had was by the sacraments by which they remitted sinne S. Peter had authoritie to bind and loose immediatly and by him the the Apostles as depending vpon him as S. Thomas saith in 4. dist 19. q. 1. art 3. and so he maketh a distinction of the two powers videl of order and iurisdiction the first was equally giuen to all the Apostles Iohn 20. and consequently to all priests but the secōd power was principally giuē to S. Peeter and from him to be deriued vnto the rest of the Apostles How heretiques would faine take awaie all tradition alleadginge for their purpose that of S. Math. 15. In vaine you worshipp me teachinge for doctrine mens precepts CHAPTER III. 1. THis is it saith S. Augustine that all heretiques doe bragge of Lib contr Maximū if I should aunswere all such trifles I should neuer make an ende saith he soe as he would not aunswere to this place for he saith that the traditions of the Apostles ought to be of as great force as the holie scriptures

offence in leaninge to the litterall sense of Christs wordes in the blessed Sacramente of the Altar CHAPTER III. 1. IF yow beleeue the omnipotent power of Christe as also if you consider his moste incomprehensible and wonderfull loue towardes his churche Ephe. 7. for which he yealded himselfe vnto death for her clensinge soe he gaue himselfe vnto her for her feedinge that shee he maie be made one ioyned together as it were a bodie ioyned vnto the heade And to shewe vnto yow the trewe plaine and euidente demonstration of those words to be ment litterally accordinge to the tenor and significant tearmes of the woords for as the philosopher saith Arist li. 1. de interp cap. 1. 2 voces sunt signa cōceptuum our wordes and voices doe signifie what inwardly we intend I will beginne with the sixt Chapter of S. Iohn that yow may more plainlie conceiue of what force that place is to proue the reall presence of Christs flesh and bloode in the blessed Sacramente Yow shall first therfore vnderstand that the Iewes of Capharnaum which therof are comonlie called Capharnites after they had bene miraculously fedd of Christe with fiue Barlie loaues and two fishes beinge themselues in number aboute fiue thowsand retourned vnto Christe againe for some other like banquet and to prouoke him the more as they thought they beganne to bragge how their fore-fathers did eate Manna in the desert giuing him to vnderstand therby that if he would gett creditt amoungest them he should in like sorte feede them wherupon our Sauiour tooke occasion to declare vnto them before hand that miraculous heauenlie foode which he minded afterward to ordaine in his last supper and which should not onlie equalize their Manna but soe farr surpasse the same as a trewe bodie surpasseth a shadowe and therfore he said vnto them The bread which I shall giue is my fleshe and that he ment by those wordes to leaue his trewe fleshe indeede to be eaten it steede of their Manna it appeareth by that which followeth most euidentlie For whereas the Capharnite Iewes grudged streight way sayinge how can this man giue vp his fleash to eate conceauinge such a carnall and grosse eatinge of Christes fleash as of other common flesh yet he did not take away that scruple as our protestants do now a dayes with saying that it should be a bare figure only or that they should eate bread onlie and not fleshe and feede on him onely spiritually by faith no he said none of all these thinges but cleane contrarie to confound their murmuringe infidelitie and to confirme his former woordes he added therunto other woordes of more vehemēce saying Verilie verilie I saie vnto yow if yow eate not the flesh of the sonne of man and drincke his bloode yee shall not haue life in yow with many more of like perspicuitie and plainenes for if he should haue answered them accordinge as the protestants expounde that place to be figuratiuely ment he should haue soone appealed their anger grudginges and faithlesse conceite of those wordes by occasion whereof they quite forsooke him sayinge This is a hard speech who can beare it Whereas if he had ment of a bare signe or figure by tellinge the trueth only he might haue kepte them continually in his companie In truth it could not stand with the intralls of Christs charitie beinge sent principally to conuerte the Iewes from their infidelitie and beinge cheeflie ordained to saue the lost sheepe of Israell that he should vse those woordes figuratiuely Matt. 15. and not declare the same plainly vnto them beinge a matter of the greatest importance and consequence that euer was for takinge away their repininge misbeleeue the truth wherof he confirmed with his accustomed oath Verilie verilie c. vnlesse they should eate his flesh c. they should not haue life yea he vsed these wordes imediatlie after their grudging 2. S. Chrisostome vpon those stubborne woordes of the Iewes Chrys ho. 45. in Ioannem This is a hard speech who can beare it saith it is the parte of a scholler not to inquire curiously of that his maister affirmeth but to heare and beleeue and to expecte in due season a resolution of his doubts and as for those people by the former miracle don by him in feedinge their hungrie stomacks beinge soe many in number they might beleeue that whatsoeuer he said he could doe or whatsoeuer he promised he could performe Chrys ho. 61. ad populum Antioch For when he declared his loue towardes vs he mingled himselfe by meanes of his body together with vs that the body and the head should be vnited together and to wittnesse his singuler affection towardes vs he permittted himselfe not to be seene of such as are desirous but to be touched and eaten and their teeth to be fastened in his flesh and all men to be filled and satisfied with the desire of him Tanquā leones igitur ignem spirantes ab illa mensa recedamus facti diabolo terribiles c. Homilia pradict Let vs rise therfore from the table as it were lyons breathinge out fire makinge the diuill himselfe a feard This misticall bloode chaseth away deuils farr off frō vs and draweth the angells neere vnto vs for the diuills when they see within vs the blood of our Lord are putt to flighte and the Angells make haste to assist vs thus farr S. Chrisostome whose doctrine herein is noe lesse ircksome and repugnant to the sacramentarie Protestants then to those lumplishe Iewes because accordinge to that holy doctor none oughte to be curious in askinge howe or by what meanes that which Christ affirmeth is brought to passe for as the Iewes were ouermuch curious in murmuringe amoungest themselues and sayinge How can he giue vs his flesh to eate How shall our stomacke away with it what a hard kind of speech is this Is it not against nature that one man should be nourished with an other mans fleashe Doe not our mouthes and stomacks abhorr the same Soe this sacramentarie protestantes haue noe other thing in their mouthes then howe can Christs fleash blood and bones be conteined in soe little a roome how can his body be at one tyme in heauen and on the alter how can it be in a thowsand places at once with many other such Iewis interrogatiōs which doe daylie proceede out of their giddy braines voide of grace not willing captiuare intellectum in obsequium fidei as S. Paule saith because they would not resigne their wilfull opinions and their blinde vnderstāding vnto the trewe direction and obedience of faith for if they beleued that God were able by his word to bringe all this to passe they would neuer reason after such a sorte for otherwise they may by like interrogations discreditt the whole christian faith and aske how God made the worlde of nothinge how a Virgin could bringe foorth a sonne how God came downe into the world to be incarnate

Ierusalem but the vniuersall church cannot erre therfore the generall councells cannot erre For Atha S. Epipha Euseb S. August doe call the generall councells the congregation of the whole world and the consent of the vniuersall churche All such places of scripture as doe proue that the Pope cannot err in the definition of faith proues also that the generall or nationall councell assembled by his authority cannot erre Also such places of scripture as proues and teaches that wee ought to reuerence Bishopps as Pastors to heare them as maisters followe them as captaines he that heareth yow heareth me c. obey your rulers be subiect vnto them and imbrace their doctrine with many such places all which doe argue that they cannot deceaue vs or if they doe wee may attribut the blame to our Sauiour that bids vs to obey them and imbrace their doctrine Atha epi. Epist. Epiph heres 77 Aug. 162. Nemo ca. de summa trinit fide catho Gela ep ad Episc Sardinia 5. This same is proued by the fathers that the difinition of a generall councell is the last iudgment of the church from which there is noe appellation as Athana and Epiphanius and others with S. Augustine doe affirme and soe Leo the Pope requested the Emperor Martianus saying that the definition of the generall councell should neuer be brought in question which the said Martianus established by lawe The same also Gelasius the Pope decreed in the councell of Ephesus circa finem and in the councell of Calchedon Act 5. Canone vlt. Moreouer the fathers and all councells doe teach that they are excomunicated and ought to be countted heretiques that doe not rest themselues vpon generall councells and therfore all generall councells doe pronoūce Anathema I meane the sore censure of excommunication against such as doe contradict the finall decree of generall councells as Athanasius doth wittnesse of the coūcell of Nice Athan in epist ad Episcopos Afri●ae S. Gr●gor Nazianz. in epistola priori ad Clidoniū Leo epist ad Anat●lium and soe it is in all other councells Grego Nazianz. doth write when the Apolinaristes denied that they were not heretiques and that they were receaued in a catholique councell said let them shewe this and wee wil be contented S. Leo writinge to the emperor or Leon said they ought not to be accounted catholique that doe resiste the councell of Calcedon And soe he writes the like to Anatolius and S. Basil writes that they ought to be suspected of heresie Basil ep 78. that doe cal in question the determination of the councell of Nice S. Augustine did excuse S. Cyprian of heresie Aug. li. 1. de bap ca. 18. because noe generall councell defined any thinge to the contrary towchinge the baptisme of heretiques Also S. Gregorie pronounced excommmunicatiō against all that would not receaue the decree of generall councells Greg. li. 1. epist 24. Constantine the great in his epistle to the churches Apud Euseb l. 3. de vit Const Atha ep ad Episc Africanos Cyrill l. 1. de trinit Leo epist 53. ad Anatoliū 54 ad Martianū ep 37. ad Leonē Au● Gre. lib. 1. ep 14 Nice epist ad Michaelē Ambros epist 32. called the decree of the councell of Nice celestiall preceptes Athanasius also said that the decree of the church was the diuine precept which should remaine for euer S. Cyrill calles it the diuine iuste and holie oracle S. Leo saith that the Canons thereof were ordained by the holie ghoast and that the councell of Calcedon was assembled by the holy spiritt S. Gregorie also saith that he reuerenceth the first 4. generall councells as the 4. Euangelistes Nicholaus the first also saith that the decrees of generall councells are inspired by the holy ghoast S. Ambrose doth affirme that wee should rather die than wee should departe from the definitions of generall councells I will saith he followe the decree of the councell of Nice from the which neither death not sword shall separat me S. Hillarie suffred banishment for the faith of the councell of Nice Hilar. in fine lib de Synod Victor in libris trib de per●ec Vandalic Hier. lib. cont Luciferanos Victor Africanus describeth many worthy martires which suffred for the decree and definition of the faith sett downe and explicated in the councell of Nice S. Hierom also speakinge of Athanasius and S. Hillarie and other holy confessors saie How could they doe any thinge against the councell of Nice for the which they suffred banishment 6. This is proued by reason for first if the generall coūcells should err ther should be noe certaine or setled iudgment in the church by which controuersie should be determined and descided and by which the vnitie and concord of the church should be preserued for which generall councells were ordained Secondly if there were not an infallible iudgment of these generall councells then the Arians had not bene condemned for heretiques for sayinge the councell of Nice did erre nor Macedonius for an heretique for sayinge the councell of Chalcedon did err nor Nestorius for an heretick for sayinge the councell of Ephesus did err nor Eutiches for sayinge the councell of Chalcedon did erre Thirdly wee should haue noe certaintie of many bookes of the holie scriptures as of S. Paule to the Hebrewes the 2. epistle of S. Peter the third of S. Iohn S. Iames his epistle S. Iude and the Apocalipes they beinge called in question vntill the trueth of them was made knowen by generall councells That the catolique church in those thing shee doth propound to the christians to beleeue whether they be contained in the Scriptures or not cannot erre CHAPTER II. THis is proued by scripture Ad Tim. 3 Ephes 5. Apoca 21 Psal 79. Isa 2. Matt. 13. 1. Cor 12. Ephe. 1. for that the church of Christe is the firmament and piller of truethe the spouse of Christe the holly cittie a fruitfull vineyarde a highe mountaine a direct way the only do●e the kingdome of heauen the bodie of Christe and multitude vnto whome the holie ghoaste is promised is gouerned of Christe beinge her head and of the holy ghoast beinge her soule as it is sett downe by S. Paule saying Ephe. 4. He gaue him as a head aboue euerie church which is his bodie And in another place he said one head and one spirite and he said as the husbād is the head of the wife soe also Christ is the head of his church for if the church had bene impeached of error that imputation should be saide on Christe and the holie ghoaste therfore Christ did instruct her by his said holie spirite sayinge the spirite of trueth shall teach yow all trueth Ioh. 16. Againe wee are bounde vnder paine of excommunication to beleue the church in all things as may appeare by S. Math. If he will not heare the church Matt. 18. let him be vnto you as an ethnick and a

to doe nothinge yet then yow will beleeue that it is made able and powerfull to quicken vnlesse yow will contend alsoe that the holy ghoaste hath noe power to quicken For whereas flesh was ioyned with that word which quickneth and giueth life therby yt was made alsoe of power to quicken and giue life and although therfore the nature of flesh as it is flesh cannot quicken or giue life yett it worketh that nowe because it hath receiued the whole operation of the woord for this bodie is not the bodie of S. Peter nor S. Paule nor of any such like but the bodie of life it selfe Coloss 2. and of our Sauiour Iesus Christ in whome the fullnesse of the God head corporallie dwelleth and is able to doe this for if honny whereas it is naturally sweete maketh those thinges sweete with which it is mingled shall it not be verie foolish to thinke that the liuelie and quickinge nature of the woord did not giue vnto that man in whome it dwelleth power also to quicken and giue life for which causes the flesh trulie of all other men doth not auaile or proffit in deede any thinge but the flesh of Christe alone is able to giue lyfe and quicken because the onlie Sonne of God dwelleth in it But he calleth himselfe spiritt because God is a spiritt thus farre S. Cyrill 9. 2. Cor. 3. By this yow may perceiue the false interpretation of the protestants vpon these woords The spiritt is that which quickneth the flesh auaileth nothinge by which woordes they saie that the reall presence of Christs flesh in the Sacrament can nothinge proffitt vs and that the spirituall eatinge thereof by faith only should be sufficient for S. Cyrill teacheth plainly that by this woord he meant the God head which was vnited in one person with that flesh of his which gaue vnto it that power to quicken and giue life which noe other mans flesh euer hadd And the comon Schoole of all diuines doe affirme that when Verbum caro factum est when the woord was become flesh when flesh was vnited vnto the woord the flesh by the woord doth quicken and giue life and as S. Nazianzenus saith that as Iron beinge putt to the fire doth burne and performeth the operation and action of fire soe the flesh beinge vnited vnto the woord doth quicken giue life and worketh by the influence thereof And as S. Thomas saith Quo intimius est aliquid cum principio influente eo magis participat de eius influxu The more intimate and neerer a thinge is to its first influent cause the more it receaues the influence operation therof So the blessed flesh of Christ noe doubt beinge ioyned and vnited vnto the principall cause of all causes receaueth a moste liuely operation from the same 10. S. Hillarie also that famous Bishop of Poetiers in his 8. booke of the Trinitie against the Arrians hath these woordes De veritate carnis sanguinis non est relictus ambigendi locus c. There is noe place lefte to doubte of the veritie of Christs flesh and blood for by the confession of our Lord and by our faith it is verilie flesh and verilie blood and beinge eaten and dronke by vs it bringeth to passe that wee are in Christe and Christe in vs. Ys not this trewe it seemeth verilie not to be trew to these incredulous people which deny Christe to be trewe God S. Hillaries argument was against the Arrian heretiques who held that God the sonne was not one with God the father in substance but only in will to disproue which assertion he alleadgeth a texte of scripture where Christe prayeth that wee all may be one with him Ioh. 17. as he and his father are one but wee saith Sainct Hillarie by receauinge of Christs trewe bodie and blood in the blessed Sacrament are not vnited vnto him in will only but also to his fleash and substance wherfore it mustes needs followe that Christ is vnited to his father by nature and substance of his God headd and not by will only which argument of his doth plainly declare that the trueth of the reall presēce of Christ in the Eucharist was then approued and receaued of all men for otherwise he would neuer haue conuinced them by that argument and vnlesse yow denie Christ to be God yow can not denie him to be trulie really in the blessed Sacrament And he proceedeth further in that booke and saith If the woord was truly made flesh and if wee truly receaue the woord beinge made flesh in the meate of our Lorde how shall he be thoughte not to abide naturally in vs who both beinge borne man tooke vnto him the nature of our flesh to the nature of eternitie vnder the Sacramēt of flesh which is to be communicated of vs for soe wee all are one because both the father is in Christe and Christe is in vs for himselfe saith My flesh is verilie meate and my blood is verilie drinke he that eateth my flesh and drinketh 〈◊〉 blood abideth in me and I in him In another place he saith expoundinge those wordes of S. Paule Sermone Cathechesi mystag 4. 1. Cor. 11. Accipite bibite hic est sanguis meus c. Take and drincke this is my blood this is my body who shall dare hereafter to doubte of the trueth therof sith he did certeinly saie this is my blood who euer will affirme the contrarie or saie it is not his blood nam specie panis dat nobis corpus in specie vini dat nobis sanguinem c. for vnder the likenesse of bread he giues vnto vs his bodie and in the likenesse of wyne he giues vs his blood that when yow take it yow shall taste the bodie and blood of Christe beinge made pertaker of the selfe same body blood soe wee beare and carry with vs Christe in our bodies when wee receaue his bodie and blood into our intralls and accordinge to Sainct Peter are made pertakers of the diuine nature And a little after he saith Quamobrem non sic haec attendas velim tanquam sit nudus simplex p●nis nudū simplex vinum Corpus enim sunt sanguis Christi wherfore I would not haue yow to thinke of these thinges as they were naked and simple bread naked and simple wyne for they are the body blood of Christe and though your senses do tell you the contrarie your faith shall confirme and strenghten you doe not iudge by thie taste when thie sure faith shall guide thee from all doubte 11. S. Augustine vppon these woordes Aug. in Psal 98. Adoratescabellum pedum eius adore and worshipp his footestoole because it is holie quia in ipsa carne hic ambulauit c. Because he walked here on earth in that verie same flesh and gaue vs the verie same fleash to eate for our saluation and noe man eateth that flesh vnlesse first he adore and worshipp