some spirituall operation from Christ as a head therefore such onely are members of a Church Answ. No man seems more to study to darken the matter then the reverend arguer 1. He omits all along the word visible which is mainly in question 2. He himself is forced to distinguish a two fold headship of Christ for Christ is head to the visible Church either politick according to the politick government and guidance he lends to it or according to the influence of saving grace life the members of Christs body according to the politick external government are fit alone to be members of a true Church visible or truly visible such as Magus Demas and many gifted men are the proposition is true and granted But onely visible Saints who according to the rules of reasonable charity may be conceived to have some special good or which is all one to be reall believers are onely members of Christs body according to politick and external government the assumption is false and never proved a meer begging of the question for not onely such as are conceived in charity to to be real converts such as Magus Iudas c. but also Peter Iohn and such as prosess subjection to the Gospel and withall do really believe 〈◊〉 members of the true visible Church and the Lords visible confederates whether they be conceived to have some special good of conversion and saving grace in them or not nor does the formality of a visible member or a visible confederate depend upon the judgment of men And it is most false which is said in the probation that onely conceived and so judged visible Saints have the politick influence of some spiritual operation from Christ the head for godly professors whether they be conceived and judged or not conceived or judged godly professors have both real and internal in foro Dei and also external and ecclesiastick right to the ordâ—…ces of Christ should all the world say the contrary And by our brethrens nay workers of iniquity and these that are never known nor chosen of God but are exactly gâ—lded hypocrites and never receive any power or trial at all in their kind from their head Christ as may be proved from Matth. 7. 22 23. Matth. 22. 11 1â— Matth. 13. 47. 48. Matth. 25. 3. 2 Tim. 3. 3. are visible Saints not because they are so but because they are falsely so esteemed by men to be such Hence 1. our brethrens way makes not a whit a cleaner visible Church then our way 2. The politick influence of Christ the head upon such painted tombs can be none at all before their membership How then can they have virtual influence of some spiritual operation from the head supposed influence is no influence at all And not any of these texâ—s say that the Church 1 Cor. 12. 12. and Ethes 4. 12 13. is not the body of Christ visible except men conceive it to be his visible body such new divinity is unknown to Scripture If the other part of the distinction be applied to the argument both the propositions shall be false so the members of Christs body by the influence of saving grace are fit alone to be members of the true visible Church nothing is more false for then the true visible Church should be made up of only true and real converts glad shall Anabaptists and Familists be of this doctrine and except the propositions be so taken M. H. but paints us a false Church 3. The places 1 Cor. 12. 12. Eph. 4. 12 13 speak nothing of Mr Hookers single congregation but of the Catholick visible Church which shall meet all in the unity of faith and in which the Lord hath set Apostles 1 Cor. 12. 28. and 4. 14 15. and that is not a single congregation 4. Though the places speak of the visible Church yet do not these places say that the visible Church as visible but as the real mystical body of Christ which shall be glorified with Christ is called Christ Ephes. 4. 13. 〈◊〉 Cor. 12. 12 13. and the body of Christ by the influence of saving grace CHAP. III. Other arguments of M. Hookers for the constitution of the Church of his visible Saints MAster Hookers two reasons These are â—is to be members of Christs Church that are subjects of Christs kingdome The Church is the visible kingdome in which Christ reigns by the scepter of his word ordinances and discipine he is our king he is our Law-giver they who are in professed rebellion are traytors not subjects the members of the body are under the motion and guidance of the head Wolves are contrary to it But visible Saints as formerly described are onely subjects of this kingdome Christ is the king of Saints not of Dâ—unkards Atheists they alone Saints proclaim subjection in their practice Answ. The terme onely is wanting in the proposition which is in the assumption and conclusion contrary to right Logick 2. These are fit to be members of Christs Church visible that are subjects by an influence of grace to wit from their head and king calling effectually Acts 15. 14 15. Isai. 55. 4. 5. and giving them repentance and forgiveness of sins Acts 5. 31. of the kingdome of Christ visible or invisible the proposition is true but that such visible Saints as Magus and Iudas the traytor which are the visible Saints M. H. defines in terminis part 1. cap. 2. pag. 15. conclus 2. are subjects and onely subjects of this kingdome as his assumption sayes in express termes is most false now that the argument must mean of the subjects of Christs kingdome real and of members by the influence of saving grace from Christ their head and king I prove from the argument that M. H. brings from Isaâ— 33 22. for M. H. his visible Saints Magus and Iudas cannot 〈◊〉 Say the Lord is our Law-giver the Lord is our Iudge the Lord is our king and he will save us if Sorcerers and Traytors should say so they should lie Isaiah speaks of real converts and the true Sion whose stakes and cords shall never be removed so as the gates of hell saith Marlorat on the place shall not prevail against them He speaketh as yet saith Piscator to the godly Iews so that saith Calvin God is in the miast of her therefore she shall not be moved for saith Musculus my sheep shall no man pluck out of my hand 2. He speaketh of these not of such as Iudas and Magus who shall be protected and saved by the Lord vers 21 22. he speaks of the true Church which acknowledges God her Law giver and King so Calvin the Church saith Bullinger is so armed with the grace of God that she yields not to evils nor is broken but remains ever sure 3. He speaks of that kingdome and people whose inhabitants shall not say I am sick the people that dwell therein their iniquity shall be forgiven them vers 24. onely the citizens
31 32. 7. Though there be many Churches in Galatia Gal. 1. 2. yet must they be one lump who have power to judge and censure false teachers Gal. 5. 9. and there is a Church restoring made by spiritual officers Gal 6. 1. otherwise they might have replied We Galatians have no power in one body to cut off a troubler who infecteth the whole lump every single congregation is to see to that and the troubler is without our Churches save to one only single Independent power say our Brethren 8. It s not possible that the Churches can send their common Messengers whom they choose 2 Cor. 8. 19 23. except the Churches convene men women and children or then convent in Elders of many Churches or the Apostles must have gone from Church to Church to beg suffrages and votes which sort of Election is never heard of in any Writer sacred or profanâ— As to the first who can believe that men and women and children capable to hear and be baptized also which is the onely Church of Believers owned by our Brethren the externally covenanted and redeemed did send the Apostles to Ierusalem or received the Apostles and did welcome them or salute the Saints as Act. 16 3 4. Rom. 16. 16 Act. 15. 22 27 28 therefore need for it the second must be said That the Churches in their Heads Rulers Officers sent them which is a very Presbyterial Church 9. If divers Churches meet for laying on burthens by power of the Keys as M. Cot. saith exercising acts of Church-government then there is a Presbyterial Church governing without and above a single congregation by pastors neither chosen to be fixed and constant teachers nor that can possibly teach many congregations But the former Mr. Cotton and our Brethren teach Obj. This is no Church-power for a Synod is not a Church bâ—cause it is no Church-jurisdiction Ans. 1. The Antecedent is false 2. The Consequence is naught A number of private Christians wanting all official Authority so might lay on Synodical burthens binding materially if this be no Church-power 2. They are called the Decrees of Apostles and Elders Act. 16. 4. written and concluded Act. 21. 25. Saith Iames Act. 15. 22. It seemed good to the Apostles and Elders with the whole Church to send chosen men Now whether Church note the Apostles Elders and Brethren or the multitude of believers onely or the Church of Ierusalem made up of both the Decrees must come from Church-power governing teaching uniting and removing a Schism Though it were no power of jurisdiction yet here is a Church-power above a Church except it be said that so many pastors of the same or of divers Churches or so many private Christians commissionated from no Churches made the Synod Act. 15. and Synodically said It seemed good to the holy Ghost and to us But this shall no more import the promised presence of Christ to such as are convened in his Name Mat. 18. 19. 20. 28. 19 20 21. Ioh. 2. 21. than if so many private Christians had been convened and so may such of a sister-Church remove all Schisms and a Synod shall be nothing at all 10. If Christ build the power of binding loosing gaining upon brotherhood Mat. 18. If thy brother offend c. then as far as brotherhood goes if I possibly can converse with him and may be offended or edified by him so far must the power of jurisdiction be extended because these two The gaining of a brother 2. The safety of the Church by edifying of others and removing of scandals are intended by Christ. Mat. 18. but brotherhood is without the bounds of the congregation whereof I am a member Rom. 16 14. Salute the brethren that are with them 1 Cor. 16. 20. All the brethâ—en salute you These were brethren of other congregations 2. If there be no Church-tye upon me to gain any but those of mine own congregation then 1. There may be communion of Saints onely within the same congregation and no communion of Churches what Scripture is for this 3. It must be the will of Christ that we bestow no Church-rebukes upon other Churches which must be contrary 1. To Christian love to save others 2. Contrary to zeal for the Lords glory 3. Spreading the Gospel 4. Desire to remove Scandals 5. To be made all things to all men to save some 6. To serve one another in love 7. To promote the common interest of the whole catholick Body of Christ. 8. It s against our praying for the Church and that all Israel may be saved 9. Against the Doctrine of our Brethren who say That Churches ought to rebuke exhort warn comfort Churches 10. It s against the communion of Spiritual priviledges of one Head and Saviour one Covenant one God one Faith c. It s not enough to say We are the same Body entitativè for that entitative Body without this congregation is either visible or invisible if visible then members of divers congregations are of the same visible body and to say that other congregations are not as visible as that whereof I am a member to me and others about is to deny twice three to be six for one Christ one Faith one Profession the same seals are as visible in a Church within few paces to me as in the Church whereof I am a member to say it is invisible is to speak against sense CHAP. VII Of a Church in an Island MR. H. If a Church in an Island may dispense all Censures and all Ordinances then every congregation may But such a Church may For 1. it is a City and a little Kingdome of Christ. 2. The essential notes of a visible Church agree to it Ans. The consequence from a broken arm to a whole arm is not good or because Iames the day before he be beheaded in strong prison cannot discharge all Christian duties to brethren and to neighbour Churches therefore he is not actu primo a Christian. A Church in an Island is not actually associated with other Churches and so cannot in the full extent dispense all Ordinances of rebuking comforting neighbour Churches and of withdrawing communion from them because of the want of the object not because of defect in the subject I might retort the argument Therefore associated congregations cannot dispense all Ordinances of rebuking comforting c. But the latter is absurd 2. An homogeneal Church in an Island void of pastors and men able to teach cannot administer the Seals by Mr. H. his way 3. A Church so divided and not associated is imperfect and may remove scandals within it self but it follows not Ergo every associated Church may remove scandals within it self and without it self also independently and without any subordination to united powers of the associated congregations it follows not the notes of a visible Church agree to such a Church imperfectly except it be said That the same Church from its own intrinsecal and
hath said of the antecedent excommunication of the Catholick Church is plain by the former discussion CHAP. VI. Whether there be a whole Catholick integral visible Church MR. H. The Catholick Church hath sometimes such a respect aâ—s totum integraâ—e an whole integral Catholick Church So Aâ—es Ans. D. Ames maintains that there is not only such a respect but that there is a Catholick integral Church and he never dreamed nor any learned man of Mr. H. his Catholick Church affirmed of this or that congregation and is as much as to say Norwich is Catholick England The Catholick Church of Angels and men in all ages all times all places is not that integral Catholick visible Church which we make the subject of the Keyes But this integral Church militant as existing in divers ages is before the congregation in the Lords intention as the Lord intends the organick body of man and not a hand only and a complete world not a nation not a City only so his design is not for this or that congregation but for a world of visible Churches a whole seed a willing people Psal. 110. who is flowing to the mountain of the Lords house Isa. 1. 1 2. his flock and scattered sons Isa. 9. 7. under the government of Christ by the Word Seals Censures Luk. 1. 32 33. make them in their times and places all the world over visible by profession calling gathering feeding Ier. 33. 31 32. Zech. 8. 6 7 8. Psal. 2. 8 9. Psal 72. 7 8 9 10 11 12 c. Rev. 11. 15. Psal 22. 27 28. Iohn 15. 52. And the congregations come in here as secondary parts and parcels of Christs great visible flock Mr. H. denies this and it is as if a man would say there be two hands ten fingers two feet head eyes ears c. but should deny there is an whole organick body or as one should yeeld there are rivers floods fountains seas but deny there is such a thing as the integral element of water 2. This integral militant body is before the congregation in the relation of a Spouse that hath breasts and brings â—orth children Isa. 54 1 2. Cant. 3. 4. Cant. 4. 1 2 3 4 Cant. 6. 4 5 6 7 c. in the relation of a body wrought upon by a Ministry Eph. 4. 11 12 13. 1 Cor. 12. 12 13 14 15. the congregation is but his Spouse and body secondarily 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Some congregation of seven or ten where all may be of the stamp of Iudas and Magus is abusively called the Spouse 3. In duration and stability there is a Church gifted with a Ministry having the Keys of the Kingdom built upon the rock against which the gates of Hell shall not prevail Mat. 16. 17 18 19. induring as the dayes of Heaven which is so as the object of our faith Isa. 59. 21. Psal. 89. 28 29 c. Ier. 31 32 33 c. they are also a visible sheepfold of Jews and Gentiles Iohn 10. 16. the building of God the planting of the Lord Isa. 61. 3 4 5 6. Mich 7. 14 15. 5. 4 7 8. and the congregations little companies in mount Zion 4. There is a Church integral militant visible and in its choisest part invisible to whom as the subject and for whom as the end and object are given the covenant word promises of life ministry seals censures in their saving fruits as before is said Ier. 31. 31 32 c. Ier. 32. 38 39 40. Psal. 132. 11 c. these in an inferiour way the congregations have and enjoy 5. The whole and complete work of the spirit in the Ministry and Word is terminated upon the Catholick integral militant body Isa. 5. 20 21. Eph. 5. 25 26 27 c. and the congregation hath the waterings thereof in a lower way Mr. H. You cannot demonstrate out of Scripture that there is such a thing in the New Testament as a Catholick visible Church Mr. R. saith the subject 1 Cor. 12. 28. is a Catholick visible Church not a politick body under one head the Pope but the Catholick body of Christ mystical as visible Ans. The Catholick invisible body as visible I conceive not to consider a body invisible as visible is a contradiction as if a man would say I consider whiteness as blackness Ans. 1 Cor. 12. is neither meant of a politick body under the Pope 2. Nor a General Councel 3. Nor of a Catholick visible body that meet in the same place Such is not found under the new Testament whence he must mean that under the Old Testament There was a Catholick visible Church of the Jewes that meets in the same place at one time as the Brethren take a visible Church which is unpossible to be demonstrate in either Old or New Testament 2. Mr. H. hath from me no such expression as to consider an invisible body as visible though it be no contradiction as is blackness and whiteness in abstracto If Mr. R. had said visibleness may be considered as invisibleness Mr. H. should have better Logick why is it a contradiction The mystical body in common saith he is the invisible body True and the mystical body is both invisible being the really chosen of God and the object of our faith and the same invisible Church which shall be presented without spot or wrinkle before the Lord Eph. 5. 27. and the same Church and body is sanctified by the Word preached and professed and washed with Water in Baptism v. 26. and so visible And Eph. 4. the body which shall come to the unity of faith and to the perfect man the Stature of Christ Eph. 4. 13. is the mystical and savingly believing body and so invisible also the body of Christ gathered by the ministry visible and edified by the word preached and professed is v. 12. the same body and must be visible for Apostles Pastors preach to the visible Church A child in Logick can conceive the same politick body savingly believing to be invisible and also savingly professing what they believe to be visible So the twelve Apostles Act. 6. are both real and so invisible believers as no man doubts Iudas being in his place and the Scripture in it Mat. 19. 27 28 29. Luke 12. 32. Luke 22. 28 29 30. and he is not worthy to be refuted who denies the same twelve Apostles in another respect to be visible professors visible preachers of the Gospel So Peter as touching his soul is invisible and immortal as touching his body visible and mortal I cannot help it that Mr. H. conceives this to be a contradiction I observe saith he that Mr. R. puts visible in an equal latitude with mystical Ans. Adde to the observation that in this I take not visible for Mr. H. his visibility which agreeth to Magus and Iudas but that sincere and honest visible profession that for the most part is in the Catholick integral
Church catholick D. Whitaker saith the catholick Church contains not only the Church of our time but the Patriarchs Prophets Apostles and all the Saints which have been are or shall be to the end and is this Church which is made up of the Churches of these times visible These Monks must be exceeding sharp sighted saith Anton. Sadeel who see this Church and see the Apostles and Martyrs in Heaven 3. Nor hath Mr. H. cause to cast this signification of visible that it is taken for conspicuous and glorious Nor is it worthy the refuting that he â—aith that Bellarmin distinguisheth visible and conspicuously glorious for he must split a hair of the head as to its latitude who can distinguish Bellarmins fifteen notes many of his own side reduce them to a fewer number 2. Conspicuity of glory is but visibility in such and such ways as amplitude and multitude all the world over visibility in glory of preaching of working miracles and victory over their enemies and external prosperity which are things most visible and not done in a corner 3. Their own men speak not but as Mr. Hudson doth the Jesuits of Rhemes An. 3. on Matth. 5. explain this conspicuity The light of the World and City on a Mountain and Candle upon a Candlestick signifieth the Clergy and whole Church which must needs be visible to the World See how D. Fulk and Mr. Cartwright answers them Malderus a Bish. Antwer profess Lov. in 22. de virtu Theol. de Obj. fidei disp 1. Aâ— 10. q. 3. The Catholicks yield that the Church is not ever aequè conspicuam alike conspicuous Res. ad 3. Habet tamen suas proprietates visibiles It hath its visible properties true miracles works of holiness antiquity visible succession perseverance on the rock and this is all one as to be conspicuous and visibly glorious Gregor de Valentia Tom. 3. in 22. disp 1. q. 1. de Obj. fidei punct 7. 6. propriet p. 142 143. The Church is not adeo conspicua that it may be seen with the eyes but yet it may evidenter omni seculo conspici be evidently in every age seen known and pointed out by the finger as a City on a mountain Matth. 5. as the Sun in the Heaven Psal. 19. And disp 1. q. 1 punct 4. pag. 78 79. he proves the glory of miracles and other the like make the Church of Rome and not of Sectaries as he names us to be visibly known to all the world And Tannerus Tom. 3. de fide spe q. 1. dis 3. dub 3. n. 85. Insignibus quibusdam notis inter omnes alios coetus eminet its conspicuous and glorious above all other societies by these properties that it is One 2. Holy 3. Catholick in Doctrine Time Places And Causabon in Epistola ad Cardinalem Baronium Olim Ecclesia Catholica similis civitati supra montem positae nullo pacto dubia erat sed nota omnibus perspicua certa longè latèque per orbem diffusa sub Imperatoribus florens quorum dominatio ab ortu ad Occasum à Septentrione ad Meridiem porrigebatuâ— at distractionem imperii postea secuta est distractio Ecclesiae Catholicae ex illo tempore Ecclesia Catholica non desiit esse quidem sed minus illustris esse coepit So Iunius disp Theolo 43. Th 11. It may be there is no particular Church publicè nota publickly known on earth but that all have losed their external splendor And what this differs from conspicuity and glory let Mr. H. or any man shew and what glory and conspicuity is in the Christian Churches and what Sea-ebbings and flowings that glory hath read though all be not to be believed which some say Philip Nicolai l. 1. de Regno Christ. c. Bellarmin de notis Eccles. l. 4. c. 7. Io. Gerard. to 5. de Eccles c. 11. sect 5. n. 184 185 186. Euseb. l. 5. Hist. c. 24. Cyprian de unit Eccles. Tertullian contra Iudaeos c. 3. Vega. in opus de fid oper praesertim c. 3. Acosta Iesuit de procuratione Iudorum salutis 4. It s not to be passed that our Divines condemn a visible catholick Church only under one Pastor the Bishop of Rome the ministerial head and catholick Pastor of Pastors over all the catholick Church on earth and taking upon him to be Pastor of Pastors yea and the Church of Rome is perpetually visible and saith Valentia the Pope is the only head of this catholick visible Church The Hereticks saith Suarez deny in the catholick Church subjected to the Pope as the visible head proprietates ullas visibiles any visible properties by which it may be known from the Churches of Satan And therefore the Church must be invisible and therefore they deny omnem externam hierarchiam Ecclesiae caput visibile regulam fidei animatam visibilem all the external sacred order of Prelates the visible head the living and vâ—sible rule of faith That visibility of a head catholicâ— and visible body under that head we profess that we deny Now that the Pope should be the only Pastor of a Church which by no possibility he can see and that he is the only feeder of such a flock to him invisible Suppose he had the eyes of Arguâ— ten thousand times is that visibility of a Church catholick of a Church Diocesian which we deny and detest but we deny not but teach that the Church is visible in a right sense And 1. we teach that the catholick Church militant on earth is visible in its parts though it be not in its whole bulk and body all at once visible as Amesius who also is in some points for this new way of Independency So the whole body of the Heaven in both the Hemispheres is visible when enlightned with the Sun yet is not the whole Heaven all at once visible to any man living So the whole element of Water is visible not all at once and yet is so visible in its parts in the parts of the Sea Rivers Floods as it were non-sense to say such a part of the Heaven and of the Sea as in day light is obvious to our eyes were simply invisible in that sense that we say the mystical body of the catholick Church of sound Believers is invisible and believed but not seen 2. Therefore the Church catholick is 1. considered as comprehending all the families in Heaven and Earth Eph. 3. 15. Heb. 12. 22 23. Col 1. 20. this is the most large catholick Church consisting of elect Men and Angels 2. The catholick Church is that company of redeemed men for whom Christ died and it contains all that have been are or shall be that are clarified and presented without spot or wrinkle sanctified by the washing of water by the word Eph. 5. 25. Husbands love your Wives as Christ also loved the Church 27. that he might present it to himself a glorious Church c. and to this is the
of Christ by faith make one body and that he excludes not but includes the visible body he proves from 1 Cor. 12. ye are the body of Christ and Eph. 4. the body gathered by the Ministry of Apostles Evangelists Pastors c. which shall be brought to the unity of faith So Christ is the rock of life and the rock of faith to the Church builded upon the rock which admits not Magns who is not builded upon the rock as Ioh. Hush refused a wicked Pope to be head or member of the Church so built Hieronymus clearly expounds the ports of Hell to be Viâ—ia atque peccata reâ—r vâ—l certè 〈◊〉 Doctrinas sins or herefies which is strong for the invisibâ—e Church of true believers not for the visible congregation of which Iudas and Magus are members to Mr. Hooker and were never built on the rock And the Keyes are given to Bishops and Presbyters who may not under that pretence condemn the innocent And Hieron Com. Mat. 18. 18. Si Ecclesiam non audierit quaecunque alligaveritis potestatem tribuit Apostolis ut sciant qui à 〈◊〉 condeâ—nantur humanam sententiam divinâ roborari quodcunque ligatum fuerit in terra ligari pariter in coelâ— See Hieronym Com. ad Eph. 4. 11. who expounds the body of Christ of the Church until we all meet all the company of believers And Hâ—eron Let the Bishops hear who have power of ordaining Elders in every City Nor need our Brethren suspect Hieronymus to be prelatical his judgment is known to be contrary thereunto See Hieron in Tit. 1. 5. See him for the present purpose in Opuscul in Prover c. 7 p. 217. See Ruffinus for the marks of the true Church saying with us That pure doctrine declares a pure Church and so the Churches which Marcion Valentinus Ebion and Manicheus and other hereticks gather are not true Churches Chrysostom If the ports of hell prevail not against the Church far less shall they prevail against me therefore thou shouldst not be troubled Peter when thou hearest that I shall be crucified Then by the mind of Chrysostom Christ speaks here for the comfort of Peter as a sound believer and not as an external visible member of a congregation as saith Mr. H. And see here a fisher-man is made Pastor and Head of the whole Church Then it could not have been the mind of Chrysostom that such a headship whatever it was or whether peculiar to Peter or no is another question was given to the people Chrysostom expounds tell the Church tell the Rulers Chrysostom As a King sending Iudges gives them power to cast guilty men in prison and to deliver them so sends Christ his Disciples and arms them with authority Will any dream that Chrysostom judgeth that Christ gave this power to the people Chrysostom saith the Apostles take to themselves to determine the number of the Deacons and to ordain them but they give the election of the men to the people lest the Apostles should seem partial and to favour men Mr. H. saith the contrary Valiant Athanasius makes the Church builded upon a Rock to be a strong an unshaken promise and that the Church is an inseparable thing although hell it self were moved and these that are in hell and the Princes of darkness should rage Sure this great Witness never meant any such invincible promise to an external visible congregation and its members Iudas and Simon Magus Peter himself who received the heavenly Keyes sinned saith Athanasius Hilarius commends the Rock which breaks the ports of Hell and sayes that men are loosed or bound in Heaven by condition of the Apostles sentence then doth he not think it the sentence of the people Let the learned judge of the ancient writings of Clemens that Epistle of his to the Corinthians read sometimes in the ancient Church will have Mr. Hookers visible converts only Church-matter though he writ to them as the true Church 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Yet he writes of a sad change of their profession such as was in Israel when they made defection to Idolatry 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 It were hard to say such a company are all visible converts 2. Clemens seems to deny to the people power of commanding and to say that the preachers ordained Bishops and Deacons 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Cyrillus Alexandrinus upon these words I will give thee the Keyes he gifted universally all the Apostles with power over unclean spirits then neither the one power nor the other gave he to the people Cyril Alexan. in Isa. l. 5. pag. 393. Cyrillus tom 2 dialog de Trinitat l. 4. pag. 278. Peter is so called from his most firm and unshaken faith in qua Ecclesia Christi ita fundata ac firmatt essâ—t ut non laberetur esser expugnabilis inferorum portis aeterâ—…um manens on which the Church is built that it cannot fail but remains for ever cannot be overcome by the ports of hell Cyrillus well knew single congregations are not invincible and he speaks of such a saving faith as Magus cannot have it came from the Father teaching ex ineffabili eruditione superna c. See what Apostolick dignity he gave to them which he gave not to the people Cyrill in Ioan. l. 12. c. 56. page 699 700. Cyrill on Isa. 5. c. 60 page 383. August tom 10. Dom. 11 post Epiphan sect 2 page 235. Tertius modus est quomodo totus Christus secundum Ecclesiam id est caput corpus praediceturâ— etenim caput corpus unus Christus non quia sine corpore non est integer sed quia nobiscum integer esse dignatus est membra Christi corpus sumus omnes simul non qui hoc loco sumus tantum fed per universam terram nee qui tantum hoc tempore sed qui dicam ex Abelâ—…sto usque in finem seculi quandiu generant generantur hominis It were needless to prove a visible integral catholick Church all the world over not in Asia onely from Augustine 2. Or to prove a mixture of tares and wheat of good and bad in the visible Church and that they are not visible converts that are members of the visible Church 3. How far in the communion of the Church and of Sacraments mali maculent contaminent bonos see August-cont Epist. Parmen Mr. H. deviseth a way for this It s referred to a mans free choice without any compulsion of any to what congregation he shall joyn himself or not and though the doctrine and ordinances be most pure yet he may keep within himself the causes of his not joyning thinking such are profane and so there is little or nothing of Christs presence in this Church But the formal cause of joyning to a Church in which one should reside is not the holiness of members but the soundness and purity of
the Ordinances and if the Gospel be there he is obliged to profess it as he is to confess and not deny Christ before men 2. If any of Israel goodwell in another city or town where another Priest shall teach is it in his choice to be taught by that Priest or not or was there no freedome under the Old Testament but there is freedome now Prove this difference from the Word 4. The Donâ—… in that contr Pâ—… l. 11. c. 14. A wicked Minister can no more convert quam vivificare quenquam mortuus potest than a dead man can give life So our Brethren they are not fit to be edifying matter who shall destroy the Church 5. August lib. Retract 2. c. 18. Ubicunqus autem in 〈◊〉 libris commemoravi Ecclesiam non habentem maculam aâ—… rugam non sic accipiendum quasi jam sâ—â— sed quâ— praeparatur ut sis Augustine owns no Church that in the esteem of Saints is without spot or wrinkle 6. Augustine condâ—… the Donatistâ— Aug. contr liter Petil. Episc. Donatistâ— l. 1. 〈◊〉 1. they were broken off from the catholick Church ab or bis 〈◊〉 sancta communiono that was sure no congregation for they set up congregations of their own but they said With themselves onely was the true Church 7. Petilianus said What hath righteousness to do with unrighteousness Augustine saith It s not righteousness taking part with unrighteousness Si Judas Petruâ— paritor sacramenta communiâ—… 8. Petilianus applied the Scriptures that are spoken of real Saints as Psal. 1. Blessed is the man and Psal. 23. The Lord is my shepherd he leadeth me c. to their onely members of separated Churches So do our Brethreu Mr. Cotton Mr. Hooker So Mr. Robinson Augustine answers These words belong not to baptized Simon Magus They are not the words of the tares of the chaff but of the wheat 9. Petilian said the Catholicks admitted all to be just and members of the Church qui verba legis noverunt that knew words of Scripture and Satan knew Scripture The same Mr. H. objects to us See Aug. 10. The question between us and the Donatists is Where is this Body visible for it were madness to think the question was touching the invisible Church where it is Where the Church is What then shall we do shall we seek it in our words or in the words of her Head the Lord Iesus See August It s known Augustine acknowledgeth in all these Writings a Catholick Church from Sea to Sea to which men should joyn themselves as to the visible society of Christ. 11. Our Brethren will have none to be baptized except they be baptized into a particular congregation And Aug. condemns the Donatists who will have it no baptism which is administred without the Church 12. Our Brethren will have so many conditions of the visible Church 1. That the matter be fit visible Saints 2. That the form be a Church covenant 3. That they meet in one place c. Augustine following the Word saith All of Jews and Gentiles in covenant are the visible Church 13. This or that congregation or believer may fall off the Rock defecit ex omnibus Gentibus Christiana Religio excepta parte Donati except some following Donatus and some in America aut alibi See Aug. 14. They who saith Augustine teach That the Church which was to take its beginning at Jerusalem is not that visible City but by a figure is the whole Church that is in heaven and earth may say that also is spoken by a figure It behoved Christ to die and to rise the third day Then Augustine thinks the Church of Jews and Gentiles all the world over to be one visible City against the Donatists and our Brethren Catholicks as August teacheth said that it was the minde of Cyprian that the tares were in the Church not lurking but seen to which the Donatists durst answer nothing they were so moved with the authority of Cyprian Cyprian clearly saith the Lord gave first to Peter upon whom he built his Church nor did he then build the Church upon the confessing Church power to binde and loose as also he saith after the Resurrection to the Apostles As my Father sent me so send I you To Cyprian then one place in Ioh. 20. expounds Matth 16. Now Cyprian never thought that Christ sent the people as the Father sent him And Cyprian soli Petro dixit Quaecunque ligaverâ—s Quando in solos Apostolos insuâ—â—â—vit Christus dicens accipite Spiritum Sanctum si eujus remiseritis pâ—ocata Cyprian proves that the Church is one and Baptism one What talk they then of multiplied visible congregations and multiplied Baptisms And see Cyprian Et quamvis Apostolis omnibus post resurrectionem dicat Sicut â—ifit me pater c. tamen ut unitatem manifestaret unam Cathedram Petri constituit c. Cyprian expounding Matth. 16. 18. And I say to thee Thou â—â—t Peter c. the Church is founded upon the Bishops and every act of the Church by these overseers is guided and therefore the lapsi should not have peace but by satisfying Church-discipline FINIS Isa. 15. 6 7. The adequate subject of Church discipline is not the visible Church as M. H. take 〈◊〉 it A Church without officers may not do what a civil corporation without rulers may do Pag. 13 14. What influence habitation hath to make Church-members Survey p. 1. c. 2. pag. 14 15. M. H. his visible Saints are not the onely fit matter of the visible Church nor is it proved but by conjectures Pag. 15. M. H. 1. Arg. Christ is two wayes a head by M. H. his way Or where Christ is in Scripture called the head of Magus M. R. desires to know Men are the confederate people of God visibly without any mans passing his judgment thereupon M. H. his Second Arg. part 1. pag. 16 17. M. H. 2. Arg. That reall Saints onely are members and subjects of the visible Church and of Christs visible kingdome the place Isai. 33. 22. doth not prove that M. H. his visible Saints are the onely matter of the visible Church Marlorat comment in Isai. c. 3â— 20. tentorium firmum adeo ut ne portae inferorum adversus eam praevaleant Matth. 16. 18. Ioan. Piscator v. 20. adhuc alloquitur pios Iudaeos Calvin in Locum quin dominus in medio ejus ideo non commovetur Muscul. 16. oves meas nemo rapiet è manu mea Calv. in vers 22. notandum hic quae vera sit ecclesia Dei scil Deum logislatorem regem agnoscit Bullinger in locum ita instruct à gratiâ Dei ut malis nec cedat nec frangatur sed semper permaneat firma Calvin vers 24. notatâ— dignum est quod soli ecclesiae cives hoc privilegio remissionis ornantur Gualter in loc ad solam ergo ecclesiam â—ujus cives illa
contradictions not to appear I wrong them either wilfully which were in me wickedness or if of ignorance it is much weaknesse and more But 1. as Mr Hooker bringeth citations from Mr Answorth Mr Robinson why doth he not from his own writings bring the like for I alledge the same against his own way for the way of the Churches of New England Sâ—ct 3. ch 3. pag. 56 57. faith more then the brethren of the separation eveâ— did say The Lord Iesus is the head of the Church evâ—n the visible Church and the visible Church is the body of Christ Iesus 1 Cor. 12. 12. the habitation of God by the Spirit Ephes. 2. 22. the members of the visible Church are said to be the temples of the holy Ghost 1 Cor. 3. 16. espoused to Christ as a chast virgin 2 Cor. 11. 2. Sons and daughters of the Lord God almighty 2 Cor. 6. 18. how can they be members of the body or the spouse of Christ c. ex cept they in charitable disorâ—tion be 〈◊〉 indeed the holy Ghost describeth them to be Saints by calling 1 Cor. 1. 2. and faithful brethren Gal. 1. 2. and that not by external profession for these are too high styles for hypocrites but in some measure of sincerity and truth Let that be answered These who not onely in point of charity and not onely in external profession but in some measure of sincerity and truth must be the habitation of God by the Spirit the temple of the holy Ghost c. or then they cannot be admitted members of the visible Church must be internally justified sanctified and chosen before they can be members of the Church visible but such must all admitted members be by these places cited by the Churches of N. England M. H. or his defendants choose what they please and answer and I shall be cleared 2. From this passage by the way observe another argument of the Church of N. England ibid. Such should be members admitted to the visible Church as are exhorted to be followers of Paul as dear children Ephes. 4. 1. so must the arguments be I assume but all visible converts or non converts all known drunkards harlots Atheists c. are exhorted to be followers of Paul yea that exhortation obligeth all the known enemies of God in the visible Church to be renewed in the spirit of their mind to be converted from dumb idols to serve the living God for all are exhorted to obey the whole Gospel heare it even the scoffing Athenians Act. 17. 2. I argue from the fifth argument These cannot be judged fit matter for the visible Church and conâ—â—iâ—uting and edifying thereof who are more fit for the ruine and destruction thereof such as all hypocrites who will leave their first love and destroy the Church I assume but all latent hypâ—crites such as Iudas and Magus as wel as open hypocrites are more fit for the ruine and destruction of the Church and will leave their first love If it be said that latent hypocrites appearing to us to be Godly and converts may be judged mistakingly and erroneously to be fit materialls for the constituting and edifying of the Church are men 1 made members of Christs body and Christ made the head of Magus Iu as not by Christs command so much as by mens erroneous judgment 2 Then the visible Church hath all its essâ—…nce and nature founded upon judgment that may erre and upon no certain rule of the word 3 Then should the Apostles have taken more time and advised more maturely before they made Magus Ananias members of the visible Church 3. All the arguments brought by M. Hooker and the way of the Churches of N. England and Separatists doe conclude they must be really and internally sanctified before they can be such members as are in the Church of Rome Ephesus c. and M. Hooker putteth not a finger to them to answer these that I alledged 4. Let him answer that which M. Robinson hath pag. 97. all the Churches that ever the Lord planted consisted of only good as the Church of the Angels in heaven and of mankind in paradise God hath also the same ends in creating and restoring his Churches and if it were the will of God that persons notoriously wicked should be admitted into the Church God should directly crosse himself and his owne ends and should receive into the visible covenant of grace such as were out of the visible state of grace and should plant such in his Church for the glory of his name as served for no other use then to cause his name to be blasphemed pag. 98. In planting of the first Church in the seed of the woman there were only Saints without any mixture now all Churches are of one nature and essentiall constitution and the first is the rule of the rest Ans. I now perceive that M. Hooker and his followers in this point defend M. Robinsin and the Separatists as M. Hooker chap. 2. pag. 20 21. but I must say these words thus we have cleared the expressions of our brethren of the separation must be an owning of their cause Ans. But M. Hooker should also clear M. Hooker and his own from contradictions as well as M. Robinson for M. Robinsons argument must be thus or nothing Such as is the essentiall constitution of the first Church in paradise in Adam and Evah not yet fallen in sinne and the Church of the Angels in heaven before their fall such must be the constitution of all our visible Churches now for all Churches are of one nature and essentiall constitution saith he I assume But the Church in paradise and of Angels before either of them fell consisted of only such as were inwardly and effectually sanctified Ergo such must be the constitution of all our visible Churches now to wit they must consist of only inwardly and effectually sanctified and free of all sinne But the conclusion is absurd for if so our visible Churches must be as clean from sinne as the Church of Angels and of our first parents were when they were first created and yet M. Robinson saith pag. 112. for we doubt not but the purest Church upon earth may consist of good and bad in Gods eye of such as are truly sanctified and faithfull and of such who only for a time put on the outside and vizard of sanctity so M. Robinson the wit of man shall not clear these expressions from contradictions 2. If it be not the approving and commanding will of God for of that will given to men who planteth Churches he must speak or he speaketh nothing that the wicked be admitted into the Church then it is not Gods will that Magus Demas be admitted into the Church but this latter is absurd and contrary to both Mr. Robinson Iustif. of Separat pag. 12. and to Mr. Hookers Survey par 1. ch 2. pag. 23 24. and contrary to the Scripture Act. 2. 38 39 41
c. that are detestable to God not dear to God as every where the Scripture teacheth Mr. H. p. 40. The visible Church is called The Body of Christ 1 Cor. 12. 27. 28. Ans. The visible Church in the sense of Mr. H. as including Magus Iudas as such is not Christs body 2. Nothing is proved except it be made out that all and every one in Corinth were lively Members under the Head Christ in the judgement of charity otherwise it is a sinful addition to the Text. Mr. H. A Church may be visibly in Covenant which hath not an infallible assistance may erre in fundamentals fall away and not endure as the dayes of heaven and so are his first and fifth arguments answered Ans. It is I consess soon done if well Ans. It is true if men entertain such things as they call truths when they are but lies of Arminians it will be easie to wipe away all with a dry Negoconclusionem My first argument to prove that the invisible and not the visible single Congregation is the principal prime and onely proper subject of all the priviledges of special note given in the Mediator Christ is Par. 1. pag. 244 245. because that is such a subject of all these priviledges to which onely and principally the Promises belong that they are a seed enduring as the dayes of heaven Psa. 89. and can no more cease to be in Gods Covenant favour than the Ordinances of heaven can cease to be Jer. 31. 35 36. then the Mountains can depart Isa. 54. 10 c. But the visible Church of a Congregation is not such c. Judge Reader of the answer The fifth Argument Because the invisible Church of the Elect is such as cannot erre in fundamentals cannot fall from the Rock and not the visible Church of the Congregation whereof seven may be a Church and six of them such materials as Magus nor can such a Congregation bear as the first onely and prime subject these styles say I pag. 250. that are proper onely to the Elect Redeemed and really sanctified Church the styles of Christs Sister Love Dove Spouse Mystical Body of Christ. Mr. H. answers by yielding the Assumption A Church may be visibly in Covenant may erre in fundamentals may fall away And this is Mr. R. first and fifth Arguments Hence if perseverance and never falling away be a special priviledge given in the Mediator Christ and it agree not to the Congregational the onely visible Church and if it agree not to all visible Congregations then is not the visible Church the onely principal subject of such priviledges since the world was no Logick can say that a property can be denied of its first and onely subject That is a man and yet is not apt to laugh 2. To be visibly in Covenant is not a priviledge of special note that is a saving priviledge such as Perseverance to have the anointing and a new heart Of which saving priviledges I spake all along pag. 244 245 246 247 248 249 250 251 c. for to be visibly in Covenant agrees to Magus and to all rotten Members but these saving priviledges of perseverance agree not to Mr. H. his visible Church which may and doth fall away saith Mr. H. Judge then if these two Arguments be wiped away with a wet finger as saith Mr. Hooker Mr. H. p. 40 41. A Church may be visibly redâ—emed by the blood of God be called the Body of Christ the Sons and Daughters of God and yet not be really and inwardly such which is his second Argument The third is answered already Ans. This is with a hop and a skip to take away Arguments 1. Mr. H. should have done so much as repeaâ—ed the Argument But to be really redeemed to be the Body of Christ to be really to be I say in veritate rei the Sons and Daughters of God and not to be called so onely a generation of Vipers call themselves Matth. 3. the holy seed are priviledges of special note in the Mediator Christ as I spake pag. 244. and these priviledges agree not to the visible and nominal Church of which Magus is a Citizen as to the principal prime and onely subject as Mr. H. yieldeth and so yieldeth the Argument 2. A Church may be both visibly the Redeemed of God and called and be really the Body of Christ and invisibly be also the Redeemed of God by a figure as touching the sound and real visible Saints among them but that destroys Mr. H. his cause who will have all and every one in the judgement of charity redeemed even so many as are fed with Word and Censures 3. Mr. H. should have applied his answer to the Arguments but he saw it would not frame I have done it Let the second thoughts of some help here For Mr. H. must apply his answers to the cited places so Ier. 31. 33. I will put my law in their inward parts according to the judgement of charity and Ier. 32. I will put my fear in their hearts according to the judgement of charity And when the Lord saith I was a husband to Israel that is in the judgement of charity Isa. 53. He was stricken for the transgression of my people that is visible Saints and for Magus for my confederate people in the judgement of charity Ah! â—ee not men dare to adde their after-birth inventions to the truth of God Therefore Mr. H. addeth pag. 40 They who hold that a visible Church is redeemed externally cannot say by any good inference that Christ died for all such in Gods intention or that all such are chosen to glory or that God intendeth to save all such Ars. This is said not proved If Christ die for the whole world in the judgement of charity he must intend and decree in the same judgement of charity to save them by his death else he is conceived to die for them upon no intention at all I judge Christs dying for us essentially includes his intention to save to deliver from the present evil world Gal. 1. 4. If therefore this charitable judgement of Mr. H believed Christ died for all the Members of the Church of Ephesus suppose Magus to be a baptized Member he must in the same judgement believe that God intended to save Magus yea and Mr. H. must believe in charity by his death he intends to save all and every one in the visible Church all the earth over and so did choose to glorifie all the visible Saints and consequently all nations Isa. 2. 1 2. all Aegypt all Assyria Isa. 19. 25. all the Gentiles Isa. 60. 1 2 3 c. all the Kingdoms of the world Rev. 11. 15. for they are all the visible Kingdoms and Churches of Christ and charity shall forbid to believe that there be one reprobate in the visible Churches and shall necessitate Mr. H. to believe that God intends salvation and so chose to salvation every man and woman of them But
If these forreign Churches of which he is no member as Mr. H. saith may and do as well discern Mr. H. his Marks of a visible Saint as his own Church to wit after trading among them divers years to them he savours as if he had been with Iesus p. 14 15. he abstains from all known sins p 24. then have they as good right to tender the Lords Supper to him as his own Church and he may have a desire and the same right both real and visible that he hath to the Ordinances in his own Congregation then as the Eunuch said Here is water so here is a â—able and Christ in eating what should hinder him to eat Is not Christ walking beside the golden Candlesticks here as at home 4. If Providence necessitate him as he is chased by persecution to one City and is banished out of that that he must fly to another and from that to another and from that to a third and is providentially necessitated to have no certain dwelling as was Abraham and the Saints case Heb. 11. 37 38. 1 Cor. 4. 11. so was Christs case Matth. 8. 20. he must either live by the Rule of the Gospel all his life without Church-Ordinances or as he cometh to ten sundry Churches visible he must be ten times twenty times married unto and divorced from the Church have and lose Church-right to a communion with Christ in his body and blood and to the Head Christ and to all the edifying comforts of Church-Ordinances CHAP. XX. The Arguments of Mr. H. for a Church-Covenant considered and removed MR. H. Every spiritual and Ecclesiastical incorporation receives its being from a spiritual Combination So Cities and Towns have their Charter granted them from King and State to meet for such ends it is the Sement that sodders all 2. Polished hewen stones give not being to a house except they be conjoined c. But every particular Church is a City Heb. 12. 22. A house 1 Tim. 3. 15. The Body of Christ Eph. 4. 13 14. 1 Cor. 12. 27 28. And all these are particular visible Churches where Pastors and Teachers are set and Members kâ—it together So Mr. R. Lib. 2. pag. 302. A Church in an Island is a little City a little Kingdom of Iesus Christ. Answ. Mr. H. in the title saith 3. The reasons of the Covenant and concludes nothing for a Covenant but only tells us Saints are the Matter like scattered stones union makes the form but Union is the result the Covenant goes before The proposition is Every Corporation receives its being from Combination This shall prove no more but the Congregation is a Congregation from Union of Members this is no conclusion debated by us and proves as well that a National Church a larger Kingdom of Christ as Rev. 11. 15. Isa. 2. 2. Egypt and Assyria are made the Lords people visibly considerated Isa. 19. 25. and that by one Union one Lord one Faith one Baptism by the Covenant of Grace so professed yea the invisible Catholike Body the Bride the Lambs Wife Rev. 21. is a spiritual corporation by such an Union 2. The thing in question is never proved to wit that every single Congregation is made a visible Body within it self by such a Covenant as the Members are engaged to watch over only one another of that society have a Church right to Ordinancâ—s Word Seals censures only with the Members of that one society that meet within the walls in one house and with no other all the earth over 3. The comparison of a City to a State holds not See Mr. Cawdry Cities 1. have different Charters and Priviledges in measures trading selling 2. Different publick Rents Burrough-Lands 3. Different Governments some by Major and Aldermen as royal Burghs some far otherwise And so 4. Free Citizens in London not free Citizens in York and here is some specifical difference as it were in Laws and Freedomâ— But it is a poor begging of the question without probation to say that single Congregations have these four differences for all Congregations visible have 1. The same Charter the Covenant of Grace one Faith and Doctrine of the Gospel 2 One inheritance and hope of glory Eph. 4. 3. One and the same visible Head Christ. 4. The same Baptism and are all visible brethren and members having the same right to the Seals all the world over without any new Church Covenant Phoebe Iustus Epaphroditus Rom. 15. 1. Col. 4. 10. Eph. 6. 21. Are brethren visible professors the distinction of saluting brethren and of Church-brethren must not be taken up on our brethrens word having right by Letters of Recommendation to Seals as Mr. Cotton teacheth now Letters of Recommendation as I prove and Mr. H. never lets on him that he did read it yea nor do men or Angels give but only declare right that brethren Pastors had before in all Churches to Baptism to partake of the Seals otherwise they cannot eat the Lords Supper in another congregation contrary to both the truth and Mr. Cotton and the way of the Churches of N. E. except they swear or engage themselves members to all the Churches about where they should and ought occasionally to receive the Seals and partake of Church-comforts But this Mr. H. flatly contradicteth let them agree among themselves now such an engaging being a binding of themselves to impossibilities that they shall discharge duties of watching over all as over their door-neighbours of the same flock is unpossible and so unlawful no authority on earth can take saith or the holy and blameless visible profession thereof from a visible professor and to whatever Table of the Lord he comes or ordinances of ministerially preached promises they are his by his faith visibly professed Mr. H. must shew one inhibition of Christ to debar any visible son from the fathers bread if then the argument be drawn from civil Corporations as they cry out against this argument in us for Provincial and National Churches it must be this as every incompleat Corporation or Lane in London consenting to receive such a man an Inhabitant and Member of that Lane doth not make the man so received a free Citizen of London for that he was before they received him when he was a member of another Lane and every City admitting a man to be a free Citizen of London does not make him a subject of the Kingdom of England for that he was before he was a Citizen so neither does every single Church receiving a member make him for that a member of the visible Church for 1. he was before we suppose baptized and both a real and a visible Saint and had Church right to partake of the Lord Jesus and the bread not as a seal of our communion with the Memberâ— of his own church only but of all the Churches of the Saints saith the Church of N. E. The argument is not unlike this Whatever constitutes Socrates a single
person doth also constitute him a man which is most false 2. The Texts in the assumption are widely mistaken Heb. 12. 22 23. But you are come to Mount Ziou that is to a single Independent Congregation nay read more v. 23. To the general Assembly and Church of the first-born which are written in heaven that is to a company of visible saints of which seven may be a Church saith the way of the Churches of N. E. and these sometimes say they and M. H. hypocrites such as Iudas and Magus If so then these must be called the City of the living God the heavenly Ierusalem the general Assembly of the first-born whose names are written in heaven It may grieve the godly that the word of God should be so perverted Oecumenius and Thtophylact and Galvin Piscator Marlorâ—â— English Divines Diedati Pareâ—s as also Cajetanus Esthius cal them the universal church of the elect The place 1 Tim. 3. 15. is not to be limited to the Church of Ephesus Pareus loquitur de columna ministeriali of a ministerial Church that preacheth the Gospel and so it s nothing to this purpose Calvin Beza Crâ—â—iger he means the Church indefinitely whithersoever Timothy should come let it be a particular Congregation it is made up of preaching Pastors who bear up the truth by the preached Gospel as the pillars say Piscator and Pareus bear up the house The place Eph. 4. 13 16. is meant not of a visible Congregation whose members are Magus and Iudas for Christ leading captivity captive and ascending gave not Apostles and Teachers finaliter for the saving and perfecting of the visible body as visible in Mr. H. his way which must be said if any thing be proved against us but of the body which is visible but not as visible but as he saved the Church inlived by Christ saith Beza He speaketh saith Calvin of the end of the Ministry Until we all meet in the unity of faith not that all men shall believe in Christ but he speaketh by a Synâ—cdoche saith he of the prâ—destinate only for they only come to the unity of faith who are chosen to glory Zanchius and grave and learned D. Bodius of Trochrigge in his learned Commentary as also Piscator Bullinger Sarcerius Marloratus Rollocus Diodati English Divines with the Text expound the place of the true mystical body For 1. Christ ascended for that body and sent Apostles not for Magus and such of Mr. Hookers visible saints 2. He intends the perfecting and edifying of that body verse 12. and Apostles and Pastors are theirs and for their salvation 1 Cor. 4. 21. 2 Cor. 4. 15. 3. Christ is the saving head only of that body and the visible Church is never called his body in Scripture because visible but by a figure because of the lively members among them drawing life from the head Christ Eph. 1. 22 23. Eph. 4. 16. Eph. 5. 23. Col. 1. 18. 4. He speaks of that body which shall come with all the saints to the unity of faith 5. Which grows up into a perfect man c. which is a living body from which I excommunicate Magus and Iudas And for the place 1 Cor. 1. 12 13. It 's not a single Congregation visible shew in all the Scripture where a single Congregation yea and every single Congregation never so few for were it but of seven or ten or twenty it is an instituted politick Church though wanting Pastors to our brethren is called Christs the body of Christ as this Church So Calvin Beza Martyr Nâ—â— parvae consolatio hac it is no small comfort that the Church is called Christs because it is his body for as Cyrillus saith Christ assumed the nature common to all 2. All the members of the body being many are one body so also is Christ yea thâ—se many are men of divers cases divers nations saith Pâ—rous yea Jews and Gentileâ— verse 13. And therefore this is the Catholike visible body 3. It is the body that have been all made to drink into one spirit in the Lords Supper but this must be the many members of divers Congregations 1 Cor. 10. 16. as our brethren confess 4. It is the body that lives by the spirit of Christ 〈◊〉 12. For when Christians are said to make one body it is not understood of a politick body only but saith Martyr of the spiritual and secret body of Christ which aims at life eternal and hath all thâ—se common God Christ the Holy Ghost the word of God Grace the Sacraments to wit Baptisme the Lords Supper called by a Synecdoche a drinking of the Wine in the Supper into one spirit which excludeth not the eating of the bread vâ— 13. and so sometimes he speaks of his body in regard of its parts to wit of single congregations where the sacraments are administrate and where there are Prophets Watchmen Pastors Ruling Elders as eyes and ears yet not fixed and married by a Church-Oath to one only single congregation and all along as of the Catholike visible body And it is true which Mr. R grants that a Church in an Island is a little City but so as it is a member of the Catholike visible body that hath no charters and priviledges spiritual different from these of the whole Mr. H. Arg. 2. They who have mutual power each over other to command and constrain in cases whereas they were free before must by mutual engagement be made partakers of that power But such are the Church of believers Ergo. The second part of the Assumption is clear by Matth. 18. where a legal order is set by which brethren only of the same Church ought to exercise power one over another not over infidels nor yet with other Christians for I rebuke a Christian of another Church I cannot call the Church he departs the place and refuses to come but I may in a legal way convince and bind Archippus for he is a brother and Mr. R. saith if the classis will not censure him the congregation may reject him Learned Whitaker saith That each of the congregation or counsel hath power over the Apostle Peter as a brother to censure him so saith Mr. R. Ans. The conclusion denied is not proved but this Ergo They must by mutual engagement be made partakers of this power The question is whether this Church-Covenant be the formal cause of membership visible to and in this onely Congregation and no other visible Church on earth 2. The proposition is false for before that engagement so monopolized and restricted to that one onely Congregation which were Will-worship these brethren being born of believing Parents and also solemnly by their covenant in baptism were engaged visible members of all the visible Church on earth and of this of Boston these round about where by providence they dwell they visibly professing the Gospel I deny not but it is lawful for a sojourning godly professor to promise to watch
the complete object of Christs intent 2. The complete and adequate matter of his work and soul-travel on his incarnation dying rising ascending interceding giving of the holy Spirit Luke 19. 10. 2. 10. 1 Ioh. 2. 2. 1 Tim. 1. 15. Rev. 1. 5 6. Heb. 7. 25. Ioh. 16. 7. Isa. 53. 11. 3. The onely complete recipient and principal subject of all the gracious and saving actings of Christ of Church-callings of the Promises Covenant preached 5. By this the congregational body may say I have no need of thee Obj. Yea I have materially need of thee for counsel rebuke Ans. But is Body-need Organ-need and Church-need that Paul speaks of 1 Cor. 12. 26. Peters body hath no Organ-need of Pauls feet to walk for he hath two feet of his own but he may have physical need of another kinde So the Congregation hath need of Heathens to rebuke them but this is no Church-need 6. Paul 1 Cor. 12. would have no schism in the body but would have the Churches to have the same Church-care one of another and not to be divided in one Faith one Baptism one church-Church-head one Church-Gospel c. which must be if I be not a member of all congregations 7. We are to suffer one with another rejoyce one with another but no Church-feeling is required of me if I and those of another congregation be not of the same visible body by vertue of the fellow-feeling between the members the Apostle cannot speak of a natural compassion for humanity will teach Christians to mourn at the destruction of Heathens but they are not for that of the same body of Christ with us But as all these prove that there is a visible body of mâ—â—y congregations and so that there is a Catholick integral visible body So we thus argue If the Church-actings and sufferings and rejoycing condition of those of associated Churches be visible and audible to us no less than the Church-actings and sufferings and rejoycing condition of the single congregation whereof I am a member then must the one be a visible Body and Church as well as the other But the latter is true The Proposition is clear for if the properties and accidents be visible the subject is visible because this is the formal reason why a congregation is visible for we see not the spirits and faith in the hearts of the single congregation but we see their profession in single persons and their meetings in one place for hearing praying praising and partaking of the seals Now all these we see in three or four or six meetings or conventions of the Churches associated which shall but make one numerous congregation of ten thousand as the dissenting Brethren said of the Church of Ierusalem and we see them severally meet as we see the Church of our own single congregation As for their poverty sickness imprisonment and the sufferings of these of the same congregation of which we are members we see not these in Church meetings but in single members and these must be visible in many congregations as the famine in Iudea for which Paul made a collection as well as in one From all this its clear that it is false which Mr. H. saith That all particular Churches are all the members that the Church visible hath For Apostles godly sojourners dissolved members are not members of congregations not are they congregations themselves and yet they are members of the visible integral Catholick Church CHAP. XXVI Other Arguments against the Church-Covenant are vindicated Mr. H. Mr. R. plainly affirms That when one enters a member of such a Congregation under the Ministery of A. B. he cometh under a new relative state by an implicitâ— or virtual covenant pag. 95. which is cross to that which was affirmed pag. 92. Ans. Mr. H. cites not my words to the full I deny not but he that enters a fixt member of a congregation comes under a new relative state of a virtual covenant and so does he that enters a member of a Christian Army of a Family of a Society in a Ship But the state of the question is not touched for the state of the question is not Whether this new Covenant make the adjoyner a member of the visible Church where as he was no visible member before that is whether a born Englishman by being made a citizen of London was made an Englishman and a born Subject of England whereas he was not a born Subject before 2. Whether doth this New-covenant give him right and claim to Church-ordinances and seals of the Covenant of grace so as without it the man hath no right at all to Ordinances Sure it s a great sin to lay more weight on either the Temple or the Ark than God hath laid on them But this Covenant so used is a fancy Mr. H. A Church newly erected becomes a sister-Church with others yet she needs not a new Covenant saith Mr. R. to accomplish it Ans. No certain our Covenant once entred all the relations that depend thereupon are included in the first Covenant A woman once being married all duties to the husbands kindred results from the Marriage-covenant there is no need of a new Covenant Ans. Yea but a Church newly erected becomes as really a part of a Synodical body that is really obliged to engage for association saith Mr. H. and it s both lawful and useful as a person becomes a member of the single congregation And officers are no less married to Synodical duties by the light of nature and right reason saith the same Mr. H. than single persons are married to congregational duties therefore a covenant is as necessary in the one as in the other magis minus non variant speciem if there be a marriage here officers are more married to the associated Churches in general as to the complete correlate than to the single and inadequate correlate the bit of a single congregation 2. A man born in the Covenant of grace and baptized is engaged in all duties Mr. H. The Apologie said It s not the Rule of the Word touching Man and Wife Magistrate and Subject that makes people in such a state but the Covenant thus stands unanswered by Mr. R. Ans. This is for me but he being born in the Gospel-covenant and baptized to all Churches he is a son a married member to all congregations 2. Mr. R. constantly denied the naked comparison as blasphemous and Popish the Church is Spouse to no sinful man Pope or any other Enaristus The Councel of Carthage of Sardis of Antioch so judge That the Bishop is the Husband the Church his Wife Innocentius the III. As Almighty God hath left the Marriage-covenant to be dissolved by his own judgement onely so let not the Bishop leave his Church But Calvin and Luther say The Lord is the Husband of the Church So Bullinger Musculus Gualther 2. It makes communion between the Pastor and those of
Church for these that have been and now are glorified and shall be and are not yet born and that now are but none of the two former are capable subjects of the Keyes 2. The proposition is not mine nor the argument the Keys are given say I to the guides of the Catholick visible Church as to the formal subjectum first and proper and are exercised by them by the consent of the people men or women nor should any new act of Doctrine be passed or weightier points of discipline in Assemblies until the people hear of them the keyes are given to and for the whole Catholick Church of beleevers as the object and end for the gathering them in to the unity of faith Eph. 4. 11 12. and as this visible Church falleth under the intention and decree of God to be saved they are one and the same persons with the invisible Church as the body of Christ Eph. 4. 12. is taken for both the invisible body It is 2. taken more largely as the Catholick visible body comprehends all that hear and profess subjection to the Gospel elect and reprobate and the Lord gives a ministry seals and visible membership to all and every one of this body to Esan to Iacob to Iudas the traitor as to Peter a beleever not to bring all and every one of them to the unity of faith and to the acknowledgement of the Son of God but for other unlike ends finibus disparibus to save some to make others inexcusable Mr. H. If all ministerial power saith Mr. R. be given to a congregation as our brethren say under the name of a flock of redeemed ones as the body of Christ Acts 20. 28. Colos. 1. 18. Then it belongs to the Catholick Church for these titles agree first to the Catholick visible Church Colossians 1. 18. Ephesians 1. 25 26. 1 Tim. 3. 15. Eph. 2. 19 20. and so they come to our hand Ans. The Catholick Church admits of a threefold apprehension 1. As it implies a covenanting congregation of beleevers 2. As it represents the whole ut totum representative an Oecumenick Council 3. Ut totum integrale as it is the whole Catholick Church spread all the world over if Mr. R. mean the first we agree but the guides cannot be the first subject for the Catholick Church and the guides are different The second part Mr. R. grants that the ministerial power of the Keyes is given to a congregation under the name of the flock c. Hence his cause must needs suffer shipwrack that the Keys are given to the ministry of the Catholick Church Ans. That the first member of your threefold apprehension hath any warrant in Scripture or sound Dâ—vines is a meer apprehension I desire the Reader to consider the Catholick Church Aâ— 1. It implyes a covenanting congregation of beleevers give a warrant from Scripture sound Reason or Divines for that The Catholick Church is the whole body militant on earth excluding none but a congregation of covenanting beleevers excludes all Churches on earth except fourty or fifty persons 2. The Catholick body organical of man includes all the body and organs of it head eyes mouth tongue feet c. Now what sense is here the Catholick organical body of man admits of a threefold apprehension 1. It implyes the congregation of five fingers combined in the hand and the hand is predicated of this or that hand and so is the Catholick body of the whole Catholick organick body of man Or to come to a politick body the Catholick body of England admits of a threefold apprehension 1. It implies the congregation of all the City of York covenanted together and the City of York is the Catholick body of England which is predicated and affirmed of this or that City of York No man speaks so but onely Mr. Hooker that I know Since the world was no man can say a single congregation take it either in the common nature of a congregation of a 1000. or for this or that congregation that a congregation is the Catholick Church no more then the hand is the Catholick organical body of man 2. Mr. R. grants saith he that the ministerial power of the Keyes is given to a Congregation under the name of a flock c. Answ. Reade my words if I deny not that and speak onely according to the grant and confession of our Brethren 2. Onely hypothetically if all power Ministerial be given to a congregation by our Brethrens confession under the name of a flock of Redeemed ones c. then it belongs firstly to the Catholick Church i. e. to the congregation I never dreamed that a congregation was the Catholick Church and I should be crazed in judgement if so I had spoken And how the Keys are given or belong to the Catholick integral body as the object and final cause to the Guides of the Catholick Church as the first formal subject I often declare and what shipwrack or breaking of board is here let the Reader judge I difference between the Ministers and the Catholick Church by this means but that Mr. H. hath said not one word to my Arment If power priviledges spiritual be given to the congregation as the redeemed flock and body of Christ then must power and priviledges be given first and principally to such a company to which these styles of The Redeemed of Christ The Body of Christ agree first but to be the redeemed of Christ to be the body of Christ to be his redeemed ones agree first not to the Church of Ephesus nor to any particular Church National Provincial Presbyterial or Congregational but to the whole Catholick Body Ioh. 3. 16. 10. 11. 11. 52. 1 Ioh. 2. 2. and when Christ is called the Head of the Body Eph. 1. 22. Coloss. 1. 18. I shall judge him scarce worthy the name of a Divine I cannot expound the places of a single congregation 〈◊〉 Eph. 1. â—2 Col. 1. 18. the holy Ghost speaks of that Body which is the fulness of him who filleth all in all Eph. 1. and of the Body of which Christ iâ— Head as the first begotten of the dead and of the whole body reconciled by the blood of the cross if it be said the congregation in its common nature is the first subject of the Keys for it contains all the Catholick Church Ans. It contains no women aged children servants nor sojourners nor dismembred visible Saints and therefore the congregation Independent in any sense is a narrow and impertinent subject of the Key and this is shipwrack really to the cause of Mr. H. as for that that the Church Cant. 6. is a congregation in general and that the Church is one there genere in kinde it s against the Text. 1. The congregation is not one but hath threescore Queens fourscore Concubines Virgins without number who are integral parts of that one Catholick Church ver 8. but essential parts of a congregation
2 Cor. 11. 28. command Schismatick Churches 2 Cor. 10. 8. plant and lay the foundation of Churches as wise Master-builders Acts 16. 12. 13 14 15 16. 18. 7 8 9 10 1 Cor. 3. 6. 11. appoint new offices in the Church Acts 6. 6. Now if God have seated the Apostles in such a way in every congregation as ordinary Teachers are then the Apostles proper place must be onely to water and confirm visible converts and members of a fixed and framed congregation where then are the Apostles Letters Patents to build to plant to lay the foundation 3. When it s said as it must be or it comes not home the King hath placed in England the whole integral body of the Kingdom of England the Lord Keeper the Lord chief Justice the Constable as he hath placed in the Church Apostles and Teachers in the whole integral Church These extraordinary and ordinary officers it cannot be meant the King hath placed a Lord Keeper and a Lord chief Justice in every Town and City of England so neither hath the Lord placed an Apostle in every congregation upon the same account and he who is an Apostle in one congregation can no more be an Apostle in another than a Major of one City can be a Major in another and it must run so The State hath placed a General Colonels Captains in their Armies i. e. in every particular society of the Armies and so every company must have a General therefore hath the State set Generals Colonels Captains in their Armies in the plural number Now the State hath set but one General over all the Army as the Church is but one 4. If the Argument run thus As the Major of Norwich may not rule as Major of York so neither may a pastor in one congregation teach rule as a pastor in another congregation This is utterly false and it s an Argument like this As God hath confined Rulers to one society onely in the civil State so hath he confined the officers of his Sons House one word of Scripture to prove this should silence Mr. R. It s not lawful to devise parallels between the Civil State and Christs Kingdome Suppose all the Majors Rulers Citizens of all the Cities and Towns in England had the same divine right to command in all the Cities and Towns in England and that these Majors were Rulers equally and in common to all those Towns and that it were a matter of providential Order not of Divine Jurisdiction that A. B. should be fixed Major of Norwich and C. D. fixed Major of York and so forth then if C. D. by providence should be at Norwich he might rule as a Major at Norwich or any Town or City of England as well as at York and so is here the matter a called pastor is a pastor and may act pastorally and dispense the Seal of the Lords Supper to those of another congregation say our Brethren and so to another whole congregation for there is the same reason in both So all visible professors have the same divine Church-right to the same Christ the Head 2. To the same Gospel and Covenant of grace for dâ—stinct Church-covenants are mens lawless inventions as used by our Brethren 3. To the same Lords Supper 1 Cor. 10. 17. 4. To the same eternal life So Mr. H. shall gain nothing by this but lose for there is no such right civil common to civil Rulers and civil Citizens One Town hath City priviledges that no other Town in the Kingdom hath Mr. H. Right of Iurisdiction flowing from office-call a Pastor hath not save in his own congregation Ans. There must be one call or other for a Pastor to exercise his office but a new office or new right of jurisdiction other then pastoral which he received in ordination is not requisite for a pastor to act as a pastor Yea he sins against his office-charge and talent if in all congregations he do not preach the word be instant in season and out of season not at Ephesus only for an Evangelist such as Timothy was not an ordinary fixed Teacher if he do not reprove rebuke and exhort with all long-suffering 2 Tim. 4. 1 2. The danger of perishing of souls or the absence or removal of the Pastors by death is a fit call of God though the greater part of Sardis love not to be rebuked Mr. H. God hath set in his Church i. e. in the congregation existing in its particulars Apostles c. and therefore all congregations are here intended Ans. 1. By this God hath set Apostles Miracles in the single congregation whether as Apostles or as Pastors if the former speaking with Tongues working of Miracles which are for unbeleevers and heathen 1 Cor. 14. 22. shall be officers or gifts ordained for visible Saints converted By what Scripture 2. Though the Church exclude not the congregations but in some respects include them yet it is a body called Christ mystical v. 12. to which Christ is head by influence of his spirit and brings no small consolation to us as Beza Calvin Pet. Martyr who make this the Catholick Church 3. Whereas Mr. H. his single congregation of Magus and Iudas can hardly stand under the weight of that denomination Nor 4 can it well be said that great Apostles Prophets workers of Miracles such as speak with Tongues are eyes and ears fixed in single congregations for this is such an organical body v. 12 13 14 15 16 17. Never Interpreter neither Occumenius nor Augustine nor Beza Calvin Martyr Pareus nor judicious Papists Victorinus Carthusian Estius Cajetanus expound it as Mr. H. of a single congregation but of the Catholick Church saith Martyr of men of all nations saith Pareus though they dwell in divers places of the earth saith Pareus this is the mystical body saith Estius membra autem omnes fideles the members are all the faithful He proves saith Cajetanus omnes Christianos esse unum corpus Christi all Christians behold the Catholick Church to be the one body of Christ because they are all begotten into one Spirit by Baptism 4. The Church here is the Church all baptized into one body whether Iews or Gentiles whether Bond or Free which all drink the same drink in the Lords Supper Mr. H. In all these congregations are comprehended both Iewes and Gentiles for the whole nature of the General is comprehended in the Particulars Well and the Spirit that is in all the body must be one Genere and the drink in the Lords Supper must be one Genere and so must the Christ of which we partake be one Genere Hence there being many species and kinds of congregations different in nature there must be many Christs different in nature many Spirits many Bodies many Lords Suppers different in species and nature of which we partake Who ever heard in the Church of Christ many Christs many Baptismes Yet Mr. H. makes many congregations so
the Church from the East to the Weâ—â— which fills all the World De prop. Evangil l. 1. c. 3. pag. 8. then it s not one single congregation Gregorius Nuzianzâ—nus Orat. â—8 de 〈◊〉 partis The people give their consent only to ordain the Bishop And this election of Bishops ibid. page 480. iâ— to be committed to the cleaner part of the people to sacred Ministers and to our Nazarites and not to the foolish and rash common people tum eximia ac purissimae pâ—puti parti hoc est 〈◊〉 Ministris nostris Nazarâ—â— quibus vil solâ— vel potâ—ssimum 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 illes commitis opâ—rtebat sic enim nunâ—… Ecclesia 〈◊〉 esseâ— ac non 〈◊〉 qui opibus potentia 〈◊〉 magistratees notat aâ—â— stultae ac teâ—erariae plebi It s clear that Nazianzen gives a presidency to Teachers over the Church when he forbids that young men before they have hair on their face be 〈◊〉 to reach old men and they object saith he Daniel but that which rarely falls out is no law to the Church one Swallow makes not the Spring but election here by Nazianzen is put for the whole calling of men to the Ministry The Church of Byzanâ—… 〈◊〉 commended for discipline by Nazianzen See in the Church a Councel of Prebyters decored with age and wisedom an high Senate which they all honoured nor did he in a grave Synod decâ—… the praises of the discipline of a single congregation Nazianzen hath a savory discourse of the order and gifts and variety of members in Christs body and cites 1 Cor. 12. 28. not of a single congregation For 1. he saith we are all one body in Christ 2. He saith there are in the Church Apostles Prophets c. the eye walks not but is the Captain nor does the foot fee but walk and move from place to place nor doth the tongue receive sounds that is proper to the hearing nor doth the â—ongue speak but the tongue c. And 3. he speaks of a number of Prophets of which two or three prophesie by course and one Interprets Basilius Magnus Nicopolitanis Presbyteris Epist. 10. Tom. ult 〈◊〉 ex albo vestâ—â— defecis 〈◊〉 unus alter conseculus est 〈◊〉 adhuâ— corpus vestrum est per Die gratiam 〈◊〉 Basil. ciâ—â—bus Nicopolitanis disp Epist. 13. Tom. ult Dispensationes Ecclesiasticae fiunt quidem per 〈◊〉 quibus est illorum cura conoredita verum à plobe confirâ—antur Basil. Epist. 18. vol. ult Presbyteris Aâ—tiochiae solicitudinem illam quam 〈◊〉 Ecclistis Dâ—… ex 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 qui vobis tâ—tius 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 charitateâ— affectum exponâ—i At the first reading a Presbyterial body over divers congregations appears Theophylact. Every one of us is the Church and the House of God and if we continue in the faith confessed the gates of hell shall not prevail against us that is sins 2. The power of binding and loosing he expounds to be the power of remitting of sins which Peter hath and such as have the office 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of an Overseeâ— Theoph. If thy Brother offend thee thy Brother only of the same congregation whereof thou act a member saith Mr. Hâ—â—ker Nay saith Theophylact 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 whose sin ye remit See saith he the Dignity of the Priests for it God who forgives sins but they are honoured as God On these words we judge those thâ—â— are within Are not 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Christians judged by us but a more terrible Iudge shall judge those that are withâ—â— Isidorus Hispalens Episcopus The Church is called Catholick quasi 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for it is not limited to some countreys as the Conventioles of Hereticks but spread all the world over The conâ—…tions of Hereticks are only in ordinary not catholick but very rarely See him p elsewhere What saith these called the Canons of the Apostles deserve I dispute not they allow no Bishop to he ordained without two or three Bishops The Bishops of the whole earth that is from all Churches not congregations that was impossible were at the first Nicâ—ns Councel 318. in number subscribed A Bishop should be ordained by all the Bishops of the Province if that be heard by three the rest consenting by their Letters More then two hundred Bishops in the Councel of Ephesus condemned Nestorius Among the Articles of Ioh. Wiclif this is the seventh If a man be duely contrite for sin any farther confession is needless So our Brethren and Mr. H. his judicial confession before the Church is as superfluous and scriptureless before they be admitted and engaged members of the visible Church On the other extremity they faile who condemn Wiclif his eleventh Article that a Minister ought not to Excommunicate except he know first the man to be excommunicate of God And Ioh. Hush was unjustly condemned for desending Wiclif in these and the like Nor was it a damnable error that Ioh. Hush held that there is but one Universal holy Church as there is but one certaine number of men predestinate to glory Mr. Hâ—â—ker his new catholick abstract congregation divided in so many thousand little catholick Churches is too near to the Papists in this Iohn Hush before his Judges and accusers often professed that Christ limited not Jurisdiction and ruling of the Church militant to Peter only but gave it to all the Apostles and true Pastors but never to Mr. H. his male Church Theodores judgeth the Church builded upon the Rock Mat. 16. not to be a single visible congregation with Mr. H. which certainly perisheth but the company of chosen believers builded upon the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles whoâ—e corner stone is Christ. And though this be one catholick Church divided all the world over habet domos à se invicem divisas and is one body of which Christ is head one company one City which cannot be said of one single congregation And 1 Cor. 12. ye are all the body of Christ not ye onely but all they who through the whole world believe Theodoret on 1 Tim. 5. shews that there is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 praefectura a power of receiving witnesses against Elders and of examining them before they be ordained This Ambrosius shews making Jews and Gentiles one body having one Baptism and the Apostles caput Ecclesiae the chief members of the Church As also the Doctors in the Church of Corinth dissembled or carelesly censured the Incest as Eli the Priest did his Sons Then there was a Presbytery to cast him out See if Ambrose gives the Keyes to Peter yes to Peter and Paul only and to the Rulers onely he saith inter ipsos Petrum Paulum quis 〈◊〉 proponatur incertum The same saith Ephraim Syrus of these two Gregorius Nyssenus Episcop frater Basilii Magni All we who are joyned to one body
is not for the visible kingdome of Christ in concreâ—â— as ruled by Christ includes the elect and true Beleevers for whose sake are all officers word seales 1 Cor. 3. 21. 22. 2 Cor. 〈◊〉 15. Eph. 1. 22. M. H. The Church in her constitution is considered two wayes 1. as totum essentiale or homogeneum or as totum integrale In the former notion The Church as a City without a Mayor hath right to choose its officers and becomes totum organicum when officers are in it Ames Medu lib. 1. cap. 33. 18. Ans. 1. The argument must so runne What ever a City without a Mayor may doe that may a company of Beleevers so combined without officers doâ— Ans. Nothing more false but of this hereaster A civill free Corporation may appoint this or that Government 2. May limit the Mayor to one yeere to so much power no more but M Hooker his new Church cannot doe any of these Amesius there saith not a company of Believers without Officers is a Politick Church The Scripture in Old or New Testament never said it M. H. As for the manner Parish precincts or dwelling within the bounds of a parish cannot make an ecclesiastick right to Church-membership For 1. it is but a Civill right that a man hath to his house 2. Excommunication cutteth a man off from the Church as if he were an heathen but not from his house which is his by birth or purchase 3. Yea so Papists Turks Dogs should be Church members to whom Christ hath denyed all right Revel 21. 27. Ans. We grant Parish dwelling simply in a Professor gives not right to be a member of the City of God but Parish dwelling tali modo is a necessary condition without which they cannot be fixed members of that congragation to meet in one house suppone after supper as Act 207. 1 Cor. 11. 20 21 22. and therefore we condemnn our brethren who failing on the other extreme will have persons residing in Old England to be marryed members to one onely Congâ—…on vâ—…ble in New England and to no other visible Churchâ—… 〈◊〉 and deny all Church-communion of the Catholick 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 to all visible Professors who are sojourners 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 â—â—â—range excommunicating of visible Professors 2. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 residence for shall they watch over one another as they are obliged by a Church oath suppose their Church be beyond the Line and they on this side of it 3. This full well shall gratifie Anabaptists who will have it no mercie that infants are born in Zion or in any Beleevers house as the Scripture saith it is Gen. 17. 12. Psal 87. 5. 1 Cor. 7. 14. Rom. 11. 16. the reasons are not so sure for birth does it not but to be born of such Parents at Corinth makes over to the Infants of Believers a to be born in Zion to be born in beleeving Abrahams house Gen. 17. 12. Psal. 87. 7. a right to be members of that Church else upon what right shall they be baptized As for the place Rev. 21. 27. Pignetus Pareus Piscator Diodati English Annotators Bullinger Nepar expone the place of the Church in heaven Marlorat and many others of the invisible Church and the Text excludes all from that Church but such as are written in the book of life and so to me it is unpertinent to the purpose and not concludent CHAP. II. Of visible Saints 2. M. H. reasons to prove that his visible Saints are only members of the visible Church are discussed MAster Hooker first states the question then brings reasons to prove such visible Saints to be the onely matter of the visible Church Saints in charity are such in practise and profession if we look at them in course by experience or report as they savour so much as they had been with Iesus From all which so much as rational charity directed by rule from â—kâ— Word a man cannot but conclude but there may be some seeds of some spirituall work of God in the soule Answ. If any one word of God were given to prove what must be proven it were good 1. That Magus all the three thousand Act. 2. all the multitude baptized by Iohn Mat 3. Mark 1. 5. Luk 4. were to Philip to the Church of Saâ—aria to godly Iohn Bapâ—ist to the twelve Apostles such in practice and profession as they savoured so much as they had been with Iesus so heavenly a savourinesse is not in one jot holden out in the Word the Baptist looks on them as vâ—pers and was it fit to omit the styles of Saints justified sanctâ—fied 2. The Tryers most have experience of their practice and profession this shall take dayes and moneths to eat as they say much salt with them the Apostles that same day in few houres time baptized them Act. 2. Who can believe that the huge multitude lived on Locusts and Wild Honey in the Wildernesse untill Iohn should experimentally find a generation of vipers moulded into a new frame to savour of the things of the spirit 3. There is nothing here of 1. Tryers and Judges 2. Nothing of a Judicaâ—ure 3. Nothing of Letters Witnesses Testimonies from the Churches 4. Nothing of the rule of the Word compared with their habituall conversation which must take a tract of dayes 5. Nothing of a sentence admitting some for their spirituall savourinesse rejecting others for that bad smell and denying them Church-fellowship untill they be better tryed all conjectures 1. The conclusion is not any thing but a may be and that may beare a may not be and if it were proven by the Word that Professors right to the Covenant of God to the Word Promises Seales depended upon mens rational judgement of Charity it might quiet the conscience But aâ— shall not the Lord be a God to a people except the people themselves judge in the judgement of charity that the people so consederate savour all of them as if they had been with Iesus and except they from experience can conclude there may be some seeds of some spirituall work of God in the souls of all these people Ah the Lord then cannot say to a nation and a society I am your God while first he asks the Churches leave M H. 1. Reason The members of Christs Body are fit alore to be members of a true Church because that is the body of Christ. 1 Cor. 12. 12. Ephes. 4. 12 13. But onely visible Saints who according to the rules of reasonable charity may be conceived to have some speciall good in them are onely members of Christs Body For to have a member which neither doth nor ever did receive any power or virtuall impression in the kind of it from the head is not onely against reason but against that reference and correspondence which the members have to the head Now visible Saints onely according to the former explication can be said by the rules of reasonable charity to have some virtuall influence of
at the Lords Supper or be washed with water 2. The Lord hath ordained the Seals in an orderly way and in an Ecclesiastick and Church right to the visible Church as to the fiâ—st prime and onely subject external visible in foro Ecclesiae and according to the command of God to Pastors they are to be dispensed to all Members of the visible Church to Magus as to Peter whether the dispensers or Church repute them real Converts or not 3. Here the Seals Ministers Word Promises are considered onely in the sign letter external administration by the dispensers who see not the heart Now Mr. H. proceedeth against me Arg. 1. pag. 41. to prove that to wit That bare and naked Seals as Circumcision are bestowed upon graceless men Ishmael and Esau which is to set up an adversary of hay for I am not the man who either dreamed or wrote that the invisible Church is the principal prime and onely subject of the naked Signs bestowed upon Ishmael and Magus This will be found the minde of Mr. Hockâ—r for I spake expresly of the priviledges of special note in the Mediator pag. 144. But the bare and empty Seals the Promises as in the letter preached and as precisely considered and separated from the grace promised and signed are not priviledges of special note given in the Mediator for they are priviledges bestowed upon Cain and Magus as upon real believers Peter and Iohn the very same way 4. But the Lord hath ordained Promises Sealt and the like including the inward grace Christ Righteousness Pardon Perseverance Eternal life in his gracious purpose as I say pag. 244. to the invisible and effectually called Church as to the principal prime native internal subject a right not onely Ecclesiastick in foro Ecclesiae which they have also professing the sound faith but also with a real and internal right in foro Dei Upon these Arguments never touched nor answered by Mr. Hooker 1. These are the first and proper subject of all Promises Properties Priviledges Seals of special note in the Mediator taking the Priviledges and Sea's as they include Christ and the graces promised and sealed to whom the Covenant and special promises of a new heart the Law engraven perseverance are onely promised and to none other But these A new heart Perseverance c. are onely promised to Elect Believers Ierem. 31. 33 35. 32. 39 43. Ezek. 11. 19 20. 36. 25 26 27. Isa. 59. 19 20 21. Deut. 30. 6. Heb. 8. 8 9 10 c. If these be promised to Cain Magus then either absolutely and so all shall have a new heart contrary to Scripture and Experience if conditionally shew the condition to be performed by the Elect which being done they shall be therewith gifted Such a condition is not in the Word for the condition should be either of Nature or Common Grace and both must be Pelagianism for if of Grace the question must recurte What shall be the condition again 2. These for whom and for whose salvation God intends the sweet Marrow of the Ministery and other Ordinanceâ— the meeting in the Unity of faith and the knowledge of the Son of God Ephes. 4. 11 12 13. to whom they all belong 1 Cor. 3. 21. and for whose sake all are 2 Cor. 4. 15. and for whose salvation onely Christ came and died Matth. 20. 28. Luke 19 10. 1 Tim. 1. 15. 1 Pet. 3. 18. Ioh. 15. 13. must be the prime and onely subject of all these priviledges in their marrow and substance 3. These to whom Christ is given onely and with him all other things must be the prime and onely subject to whom all priviledges of special note in the Mediator are given or then the visible Church or some other than the Elect and ransomed of the Lord must be the principal and onely subject But he hath given us Christ and with him all other things Rom. 8. 32. And Mr. H. cannot say that to that visible body as visible in which Magus Cain are joynt Members having as good Ecclesiastical right as the Apostle Peter by Mr. H. way are given all things Christ saving grace out of his fulness c. as to the first and prime subject 4. Christ is Head by the influence of saving grace King Husband Saviour Ransomer Surety High-Priest of the really believing Church If he give any priviledges then who shall be the first prime and onely subject of graces flowing from him but his Liege-people Spouse Ransomed ones 5. The Elect justified are onely the Sons of the Promises Rom. 9. 8 9. and are internally and not externally onely as Magus in Covenant with God and internally called Mr. H. The Catholick Church invisible is not the prime and onely subject of the Seals as the meaning of 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 is to Mr. R. though the exposition of the Rule be neither safe nor sound quod convenit 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 convenit 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Ans. Taking the Seals for bare and naked signs bestowed upon Magus which is Mr. H. minde he disputes against himself not against me 2. The axiome what agreeth essentially and per se in secundo modo per se as aptitude to discourse or also to laugh agreeth to man does both agree universally to all men and reciprocally for every man is apt to laugh and every thing apt to laugh is a man So the invisible Church is that Company to whom all saving priviledges belong Effectual Calling Redemption Justification the promises of a new heart of Perseverance the Seals including Covenant-grace and reciprocally the same Company to whom all these priviledges belong is the invisible mystical Living Church and not the Company visible of which Magus is a Member Is this axiome neither safe not sound Mr. H. should shew wherein it is faulty and not pass with disdain the Rule as neither safe nor sound It is defended as a truth of Aristotle by Christian Philosophers What agreeth in any thing 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 and 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which Aristotle saith are the same in secundo modo per se agreeth to all and to every one and to such onely So the first modus per se is when the Praedicate belongs to the Essence of the subject so Aristotle taught me long ago So Collegium Conimbâ—icense Ant Ruvio Murcia de Lallana Smyglezius Toletus and many yea all who Comment upon Aristotle And the secundo modo per se is when the subject belongs to the definition of the Attribute as a man is apt to laugh to weep to admire and reciprocally yea and what agrees to any according to its specifick nature and last essential difference agrees reciprocally and to this old Logick I stand it is not new Mr. H. pa. 37. Mr. R. proveth That the visible Church as such hath not right to the Seals but the invisible These onely who are within the Covenant have right to the Seals so Peter proves
way interest of existence to grow in the Hand and another way interest of existence to grow in the body and in all the parts of it it is a member or part of the hand and also of the whole body but the Thumb hath no possible interest of existence to grow in the head in the leg And so is Iohn a near and fixed member of the congregation of Boston and a common and remoter member of the whole integral Catholick Churches of Hartford of Cambridge of Norwich and of all the congregations on earth but it follows not Ergo Iohn hath an interest of exâ—stence to be fed and to exist at one time in all the congregations on earth as the common nature of man of substantia corpus vivâ—ns animal homo exists in all the individuals at once It is wilde Logick to put no difference between a whole integral and the parts and whole essential and the parts subjective or species and individuals so as one integral member may exist at the same place where all the members exist Mr. H. That which equally belongs to all that can make no particular appropriation to any out rather than to another if a woman love all Christian men with Christian affection she is not therefore a wife to this or that man but this profession is equal and indifferent as well to one and to all as to another Ans. All is granted for we teach not that profession as profession makes a man a fixed and a married member of this Independent Congregation rather than this so that it shall be spiritual Adultery to partake of Church ordinances elswhere we detest such a comparison destructive to Church-communion for profession as profession declares the man to the Rulers to be a Church-member in all congregations on earth It declares I say as before but does not as a formal cause make a Church-member and it declares he hath right as a citizen of the visible Church that Rulers without sin may admit him to Ordinances but profession makes him not a member visible of onely this one congregation yea that one be a fixed member of this congregation is 1. An Affirmative command not binding ad semper Nor 2. does it tie but as being a member of the Catholick Church which is a confession of Christ before men And 3. it is of providential conveniency for the more careful feeding but not of divine institution or marriage tye CHAP. XXIII Whether Mr. Hooker doth concludently refute this which Mr. R. holdeth That he who is a Member of one Congregation is also a Member of all Congregations on earth 1. LEt it be remembred in what sense I make profession and Baptism to have influence in Membership 2. That I make not Peter a member of this congregation onely and of the whole integral Catholick Church or of all congregations on earth one and the same way for though the right to Christ the Head to Ordinances and Seals be one yet Peter is a fixed member of this congregation a transient member to all other congregâ—tions 2. He is a proper member and nearer of this congregation and a more common and remote member to all as the thumb is a nearer and proper part of the hand and a more common and remote part of the whole organical body and Richard a near member of Norwich and a more remote and common member of the Kingdome of England 3. I am constrained to take in some Arguments transposed by Mr. H. that were in the former Chapter Mr. H. To be a member of the Catholâ—ck Church firstly to a whole which a man neither did nor can see nor do any homage to nor receive any influence or direction from for Government is a sublimated imagination Ans. This makes the Doctrine of Oecumenick Councels holden by Calvin Melancthon Luther Whitaker and all the learned Divines in the Christian world to be a sublimated imagination and Mr. Cotton his associate to be sick of the same imagination and the decrees 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 of the Apostles and Elders Acts 16. 4. by which the Churches were established ver 5. to have no influence of Government upon the Churches 2. It must be a sublimated imagination That the whole Churches of Jews and Gentiles who could not see the faces of all the Apostles nor do any homage to them nor receive any direction except in their Writings which yet may be from them should be governed by the Apostles and it must be an imagination That the Apostles were members of the Catholick integral Churches and never fixed and married members of the single congregation and could every one of the ten thousands of the congregational Church of Ierusalem as our Brethren will have it be be governed by the whole Church except they had seen the faces of all the thousands that governed them Mr. H. If a man that is a Member of one Congregation â—e also a Member of all Congregations on earth then he can perform the duties of a Member to all but that is impossible Ans. The duties we owe to members of the integral Catholick Church are 1. Common and personal as Church-praying Church-praising Church-fasting for the evils of sin or judgement Isa. 62. 6. Psal. 122. 6. Eph. 6. 18. 3. 14. Rom. 12. 18. 1 Cor. 12 26. they being members of the same body with us Eph. 4. 1 2 3 4 5. and their good or hard condition being known to us which say also they are one visible body with us these duties are possible and necessary if the meaning be of occasional duties of love not in word but in deed as giving of alms to brethren I judge of all congregations beside our own Iam. 〈◊〉 If a brother or a sister be naked c. of what ever congregation on earth where providence cast your lot to be 1 Ioh. 3. 17. If I say he mean such duties of members to forreign Church-members as Church-members be impossible I much differ from Mr. H. it is contrary to 2 Cor. 9. 1 2 3. Gal. 6. 10. And the like I say of duties of occasional comforting rebuking warning one another even in order to Church-members and Church-duties They are this way impossible that physically I cannot be in all places to discharge these duties But to fetch an Argument as watery I might say A man in Muscâ—via cannot be to a Scottish-man a neighbour whom he is to love as himself A man in Morpeth cannot be a fellow-member both with another mâ—n in Morpeth and with another English Subject who dwelleth four hundred miles from him whom he never saw not can see Why its impossible he can discharge the duty of neighbour-love to the one that he never saw nor possibly can see or that of a fellow-subject of England as toward the other Yea by this its impossible one can discharge the duties of personal watching over five thousand members of the congregation as they say of Ierusalem
for while as he watches over one he must neglect fourscore of hundreds and above 2. What liberty and power a man hath in one particular congregation as a member he hath the same in all because he is a member every where Then he hath power in choosing the Officers and in maintaining them and these Officers must be sought in casting him out Ans. What liberty and power a man hath jure habitu actu primo by the right as a visible professor in one congregation as a member that same moral right of Saintship taken in a right sense he carries about to all congregations on earth whithersoever he comes as is clear by Letters of Recommendation which I said and its never answered onely declare but give no new right to Church priviledges which our Brethren give to members by which they have right to the seals in other congregations But it follows not what liberty and power a man as a fixed nearer and proper member hath in his own congregation that same liberty and power he hath actu secundo and that he may actually exercise in all congregations for to the actual exercise of it is required the actual knowledge of him and his right and qualification that they with him and he with them may act in a Church-way in other congregations and forreign Churches And also he cannot act with that power in all congregations as in his own not because he hath not the power in habit and actu primo but both he cannot orderly exercise it and without scandal of usurpation until he first evidence he hath such power and also because he cannot physically be in many places at once as a Citizen of London hath power and liberty to do the duties of a Subject of England such as to save the life of a Subject and to apprehend a publick Robber that waftes the countrey in all cities and places in England but its impossible that he can be physically present in all places of England where his help may be useful for the performing of these duties 2. Nor will it follow that he should give hire to any but to his own personal feeders from whom he receiveth the benefit of feeding Gal. 6. 6. 1 Cor. 9. 1 Tim. 5. 17 18. 3. It is also an untoward consequence Therefore be cannot be cast out of one congregation unless the Officers of all others did cast him out for that is physically impossible God will have the Catholick integral Church to purge it self in its parts and it s no more necessary nor convenient that the whole integral Church should or possibly can pass an actual sentence for the casting out of every person than all England can convene in Parliament for the passing sentence upon every English Subject guilty of Felony Murther Sodomy Blasphemy Drunkenness Swearing c. and all guilty of these faults are both Members of either Cities Counties or Shires and also Subjects of the Kingdome of England and the Argument is as strong in the one as in the other even suppose Great-Britain were but one Kingdome Nor 4. Will it follow that a guilty person can require the convening of the whole integral Catholick Church to judge his cause for he can have no moral right but such as all in case of scandal have why he should more decline the Churches judging than their feeding by the Word Now since such a convening of all Officers to judge every scandal is physically unpossible it is not to be thought that Christ hath given a moral liberty to all delinquents without exception to appeal to all the Officers on earth for the infinite wisedome of God gives not moral power to physical impossibilities that are physically destructive to edification Mr. H. If he that is the member of one Congregation be a member of all I cannot see but of necessity it must follow that one particular Congregation must be another Ephesus must be Smyrna and Smyrna must be Thyatira for where there be the same individual members there be the same whole integral body and the ground is undeniable from received Rules Integrum est totum cui partes sunt essentiales Therefore the same members carry the same essence to the whole I assume there be the same individual members of all the particular Congregations For if one particular professor be a member of every particular Congregation then all particular professors must be so and so all of them members of one particular Congregation and so of every one Hence there being the same members of every particular Congregation every particular Congregation is the same and thence it will follow that Ephesus is Smyrna and Smyrna to be Thyatira Hence when Smyrna is destroyed yet Smyrna remains Ans. It s a pity to black paper with such Wind-mills Where there be the same individual members there must be the same individual whole or totum integrale All the individual members of a mans body either similar parts flesh and blood and bones or the Organs eyes ears feet hand and all the rest taken together as united are the whole organical body of man and so all the Congregations on earth taken together are and make up the whole integral Catholick visible Church existing in all the Kingdomes and States of the earth But what follows therefore the hand is the foot where there be the same proper and nearer fixed members the thumb and the little finger of the hand and also the same common and remoter members the same thumb little finger of the whole organical body there is the same individual integral whole so as the one member is affirmed of another the thumb is the little finger and the little finger is the thumb for all the organs are members proper the eyes ears nose of the head the fingers of the hand the toes of the feet and all the rest arms legs belly shoulders and all these same members are common and remote members of the whole body Just as Peter is a fixed and near member of this Congregation and also a common and remoter member of the whole integral Catholick Church And as all the Citizens of London are fixed and near members of London and proper parts thereof and yet common and remote members and Subjects of England Hence by Mr. H. his own Argument Where there be the same individual members thereof necessity must be the same whole integral So I assume saith he But there be the same individual members of all the particular Congregations I assume also Iohn Richard Thomas Citizens of London of York are all in their very individual natures individual Subjects of England Ergo London must be York and York must be London and Iohn Citizen of London must be Richard Citizen of Yoâ—k And contrary Again I assume the same individual thumb and individual little finger and toes and individual eyes and ears are all members of the hand or congregation of fingers of the feet and society of toes
different in nature as he that hath right to Christ Seals especially Baptism hath no more right to Christ Baptism to his seed censures in another congregation then a Turk hath 5. It s absurd that Jewes and Gentiles are all baptized unto one single congregation We do not think that the Apostles ad Ioh. Baptist baptized all the thousands as tryed converts into visible framed Congregations whom they bâ—ptized Mat. 3. So the Brethren We think the contrary Nor can such dream as that these thousands so baptized can be warrantably obtruded as a platform of discipline upon the Churches of Christ. 5. This we are all one must be in the head Christ and by faith really apprehending Christ yea as the Father and the Son are one Iohn 17. 21 now not only members of an Independent congregation are so one but also all beleevers of a Province of a Nation yea all that shal beleeve in God through the word of the Apostles Iohn 17. 20. and all given of the Father to Christ who shall behold the glory that the Father hath given to Christ Iohn 17. 24. and who abide in him as branches in the Vine tree Iohn 15 4. Except we say no Believers even dissolved Members and such as live in the Church of Rome by faith and yet are afraid to confess are not one with God by faith because they are not members of the single congregation 6. No more can it be said we are all one as touching the nature of Ordinances and Seals so we beleeve But so Iudas Magus and a congregation of these is the body of Christ their head Give Scripture for that 2. Not the single Congregation only but also all these of divers congregations who eat one bread being many are one body 1 Cor. 10. 17. by our brethrens grant 3. This is an union by institution conditional and actu primo but the Text speaks of a real union by faith and the spirit 2 Cor. 12. 13. 7. By this interpretation when Paul saith the body is one he meaneth a generick body and the particular congregations are subjective parts suitable to the whole Now it is unconceivable to know how congregations are eyes and ears and organs to congregations except there be an integral whole body which they deny nor do we think that congregations are organs in the sense that Apostles or Teachers are organs to watch officially over congregations but otherwise the Elders of congregations are official organs and overseers to the associate congregations 2. It is only an elegant Allegory and holdeth only in the particulars for which it is brought especially in organical care and sympathy to be grieved and suffer with suffering members and to rejoice with the honoured members 1 Cor. 12. 26. Rom. 12. 5 15. And 3. Congregations are visible members one of another in regard of eminency of gifts holiness and zeal As Paul 1 Cor. 19. 9 10 11. 2 Cor. 11. 28. Iames beheaded Acts 12. Iohn was eminent for suffering Rev. 1. what Eusebius Ierome say of Iames the Son of Alpheus called Iustus thrown over the Pinacle of the Temple Simon of Canaan crucified under Trajanus prove they dying for the truth not as Apostles but as eminent witnesies edified by their gifts aâ—d zeal the whole Catholick Church Peter and Paul were martyred at Rome Andrew crucified in Achaia Matthew beheaded in Ethiopia Bartholomew in Armenia Simon Zelotes in Britain The eminency and learning of the Martyr Cyprian Athanaâ—ius his soundness in the faith against Arrians Epiphanius against the Heresies of his time Nazianzen against the Heresie of Apollinaris Basilius against the Heresie of Eunomius Hilarius Ambrose instrumental against Arrians Augustine against Pelagians Donatists and huge multitudes of famous instruments through the Catholick Church prove that they were not eminent as members only of a single congregation but that congregations in their eminent members are organs members and parts of the Catholick integral Church visible For all these were more visible in their times for the good of the Catholick body then of a part or single Independent congregation 8. Organs as organs are onely and principally for the proper functions and operations and good of that body whereof they are organs onely the eye to see for that body and should the eye of Iohn see for Peter Paul and thousands of individual men it should not be the eye of Peter onely no more can Apostles who see for all the Churches Mat. 28. 20. Gal. 2. 7 8. 2 Cor. 11. 28. Eph. 4. 11 12 13. and such as have the gift of Tongues and Miracles to speak to all Nations in their own language for the planting of the Gospel be set as eyes and organs to see and watch for a single congregation where the Gospel is received and believed already and where ordinarily they speak one language 9. The absurd inconsistency of Mr. H. is clear in his interpretation All the members of the body being many are one body that is one genere for the genus exists and acts in the particular kindes pag. 247. So Paul must teach us Logick and oneness Metaphysical here 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 which Scripture teacheth us not Sure here it is not taught for the oneness here is in Christ v. 12. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 in one Spirit of Christ v. 13. in one common office of love to work every one for another and the use of another v. 14 15 16. in one sympathy and fellow-feeling of affection that one member suffer and rejoyce accordingly with another v. 26. 10. Ver. 21. The eye cannot say to the hand I have no need of thee By Mr. H. his interpretation one Church Independent of Boston can say I have no memberâ— need no organical-need of Hartford Church and so the gloss of Mr. H. contradicts the holy Ghost It will not help what our Brethren say One congregation hath need of another for rebuking teaching counselling 1. For a Papist an heathen Idolater stands in need of a Christian to rebuke and convince him of his Idolatry but it s no member-need such as Paul meaneth for Papists heathen Idolaters and a sound Christian are not fellow-members of one and the same visible body of Christ baptized by one Spirit of which Paul speaketh ver 12 13 14 15 c. Iohn blinde hath need of Thomas his eyes to lead him but that is not member-need or vital body-organical-need for then the eyes of Thomas should be organs and members of Iohn it s onely extrinsecal need So that yet every congregation must say to another I the congregation of Boston have no need of thee my sister or of any congregation on earth in the sense of the holy Ghost 1 Cor 12. as one member of the body hath need of another the head of the feet for I am a complete Independent body having no member-need of any sister Church on earth 2. If one congregation stand in member need of all the congregations of Jew