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A85149 The Scriptures vindication against the Scotish contradictors. By one John Stalham, and as he saith, preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in Scotland. And the other tiled [sic], A serious review of some principles of the Quakers; wherein error is discovered, and truth defended; by P.E. and written with a pen at Edenborough, printed in the year 1655, and a written name, as if it were the printer called Peter English, but no printed name; and thus they shuffle, but laid open to their shame, and truth in this short answer is defended and cleared, and their errour is discovered, and they ensnared. Who both have manifested their contradictions both to the Scriptures, and their own writings, and so have not the people which they call Quakers. / Published by a servant of the Lord Jesus, in Yorkeshire in England, known to the world by the name of Richard Farneworth. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1655 (1655) Wing F503; Thomason E854_9; ESTC R202120 34,303 40

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naturall as thou sayes but it is spirituall and such as love it bring their deeds to be tryed by it and with it the deceits is Judged and such as dwell in the Light that Judges in the particuler where it rules them and they are united to it may with it Judge and discerne betwixt truth and errour but such as with the Light have the deeds of darknesse discovered and hates the Light the Light is their condemnation as it is thine and they that are in union with corruptions as thou art they are not able to Judge of the things of God but erre in judgement that judgeth with evill thoughts as thou dost and hast done therefore judgements is to thy head and crown of deceit pride and vaine glory thou sayes one of them sayes the least degree of Light manifested in the creature is perfect in its measure and in its self few words by James Nayler let that book also witnesse against thy subtilty which is a witnesse against thy generation and thou goes on sayes if the Light be perfect both in its measure and in its selfe then it is perfect every way thou hast here confessed that if the Light be perfect in its measure and in its selfe then it is perfect every way but thy imaginations cannot finde out the highest degree that are not subject to the lowest but acts contrary to it and so to be condemned by it for it is perfect both in respect of its truth and sincerity power and authority and condemns the haters and resisters of it but guides and leads such as love and obey it into the life and power that they are able to comprehend with all Saints what is the height and depth and length and bredth of the love of God and they are in unity the highest and lowest in their measures and degrees according to the working of the divine power of God who worketh according to the good pleasure of his will and he that hath his sins covered is blessed but thy meaning is denied and no other Christ doe we owne but Christ which is the same yesterday to day and for ever who doth perfect them that he sanctifies and the righteousness of Christ is our righteousnesse who are saved from our sins by him and we witness him to be the alone Saviour of all that obey him and perfectly able to save to the uttermost all those that come unto God by him But all thy scraped up stuffe thy twistings and windings we deny who saith the spirit is in the letter and the spirit is given by the letter and saith The true Light to wit Christ that lighteth every man that cometh into the world with his light which thou sayes is naturall and common and saith that no man could know that he hath the witnesse in himselfe but by the Scriptures and so thou would have the Spirit to be bought sold if it were in the Letter to be given by it And thou would have a letter-Saviour if the letter could give the spirit eternall life And thou would have a letter-fulnesse and no witnesse of God without the letter and if the letter should be lost the fulnesse and the witnesse would be lost and so have God to be without witnesses and his people without supply and strength according to thy account for thou sayes that none could know that he that beleiveth hath the witnesse in himselfe but by the Scriptures here thou sets the Scripture in the roome of God and of Christ gives all the preheminence to the letter of the Scripture and not to Christ and that is contrary to the Scriptures for he to wit Christ is before all things and by him all things consist and he is the head of the body the Church who is the beginning and first borne from the dead that in all things hee might have the preheminence for in him the fulnesse dwells then not in the Letter yet the Letter declares of it Colos 1.17 18 19. Concerning Quaking trembling and Growth in Grace c. Thou sayes they professe Quaking and trembling after the manner of Moses Habbakuck David Paul other and yet are some of them the most daring creatures that ever thou sayes thou heard speake or observed to put pen to paper will stand in an evill cause before Magistraces without Quaking or feare setting downe Rich Farnworth Reply 2.5 I Answer The same power that made Moses Habbacuck David Paul and the rest to Quake shake and tremble the same power wee witnesse and working out our salvation with feare and trembling God working in us to will and to doe also after his owne good pleasure and this is no contradiction to Scriptures but thou that speakes against the power of God that worketh effectually in his people as it did in them that witnessed Quaking trembling denies trembling and Quaking that proceeds from the power of God witnessed of in Scripture thou therein contradicts the Scripture and for that saying or falacy of thine where thou hast shot out thy sting in thy tayle saying we will stand in an Evill cause before Magistrates without Quaking or feare herein thou art taught thy gradations methodically in old Antichrists schoole to lye slander accuse falsely and jeere and cannot prove what thou hast said stop thy mouth deceiver and take in thy slander againe and as for being bold to witnesse the Truth against deceit that doth sore offend thee and such Scotch deceivers all deceivers such as thou art but the Lord maketh the righteous as bold as Lyons that he teacheth to profit and to grow from grace to grace to set forth his praise glory be to him for ever and where thou sayes they say they witnes the Saints Growth the time of pressing on to perfection art thou offended at that They that witnesse the same doe not therein crosse nor contradict the Scripture And where thou sayes they owne the fruits of the Spirit art thou offended also at that and doth the old Serpent teach thee to lye against the Spirit with the fruits of it them that are guided by it Rom 8.14 Gal 5 1 Joh 3. and falsely accuse them saying they walke in the most manifest fruits of the flesh in that all that feares God knows their godly conversation may witnesse against thee herein thou hast manifested thy spirit of errour deceit to be one that regards not what thou sayes as for scoffing at Scottish Priests or others that we deny but your raising motives tryalls points reasons and uses out of other mens words and speaking a divination of your owne braine for your owne ends by plaine Scripture you cannot it justifie therefore against you such deceivers as professe Scriptures to be your rule and act contrary to them we declare against you testifie and as for your formes of deceit we deny but a forme of sound words the Scripture doth justifie being