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A09881	A consideration of the papists reasons of state and religion, for toleration of poperie in England intimated in their supplication vnto the Kings Maiestie, [and] the states of the present Parliament.	Powel, Gabriel, 1576-1611.; Colleton, John, 1548-1635. Supplication to the Kings most excellent Majestie. aut	1604 (1604)	STC 20144; ESTC S105148	106,538	134

robbe him of the end he suffered for namely to sanctifie and cleanse his Church as S. Paule witnesseth to render is glorious vnto him it were the church being as the same Apostle writeth Christ bodie and the fulnes of him to make Christ a head bodilesse and take as it were his totality or perfection from him it were to divorce our Saviour from his dearely beloved spouse a Ephes 5 29. formed out of his side vpon the crosse and inseperably ioyned in marriage with him it were to bereaue his omnipotēt Maiestie of b 1. Tim. 315. Colos 1.14 Psal 2.8 his house kingdome lotte and heritage vpon earch for such is his Church vnto him and so called in holy Scripture yea it were directly to charge the Prophets the Apostles and even Christ himselfe either with vntruthes or absurdities The Prophets because these words are reade in c Esa 60.11 Cap 61.8 Esay Thy getes speaking to the future Church of Christiās shall be opē continually neither day nor night shall they be shutte the strength of the Gentiles and their Kings may be brought vnto thee And in another place I the Lord will make an everlasting covenant with them and their seede shall be knowne among the Gentiles and their braunches in the widst of people All that see them shall knows them that they are seede which our Lorde hath blessed What could be plainer spoken for proofe either of the f This is not proved from thence the perpetuitis wee graunt visibility or perpetuitie of Christs Church her gates saith he shall be open cōtinually shut neither by day nor night and that God hath made and everlasting covenant with her and that g But he saith not All shall see all that see her children shall know thē know that our Lord hath blessed them The Apostle because S. Paule writing to d 1. Tim. 3.15 Timothie teacheth him how he ought to cōverse in the house of God so terming the church of God now if the church were invisible the instruction must needes be vaine and absurde for none can converse in an h Neither do we say that the Church is alwaies invisible invisible house Again e Acts 20.28 Matth. 28.20 S. Luke writeth that the holy Ghost placed Bishops in the church of God to rule the same but who can rule a flocke that is either invisible or vnknowne Christ himselfe because he promised his Apostles to remaine with them all daies to the consummation of the world Which promise being made to the Apostles was made to a visible Church and for that they were not being mortall to live to the worldes ende the promise was vndoubtedly made to them and their Successors in their persons and i A plaine inconsequence therefore the Church neither ever to cease or become invisible Neither can the reasons and places precedent be avoided by the ignorant distinction of a invisible and invisible Church vnderstanding by the latter the hid and vnknowne congregation of the Predestinate because the Church being a society of men as all writers affirme and every society requiring of necessity some visible signe badge ceremony bond rite profession inrollemē● or some other like marke wherby the members of the same may be knowne one to the other and also from others which essential point failing in the company of the predestinat they can no way possible make vp the k False Contra Faust lib. 19. cap. 11. realtye name or nature of a Church For as S. Austen truely writech In nullum nomen religionis sen ve rum s●u falsum coagulari homines posiuns nisi aliquo signaculos um vel Sacramentorum visibilium consortio colligentur Men cannot be incorporate in any one name of Religion either false or true● vnlefle they be combined togither by some communitie or participation of visible seales or Sacramentes Againe this hid and vnknowne predestinate company which must be thought to constitute an invisible Church do l A foolish Dilemma see the Answere either refuse or not refuse to communicate with the false and adulterous church in Ecclesiasticall subiection service sacraments and externall worship if they do refuse then is their company and Church not invisible but most visible markable on the other side if they do not refuse then sith the false Church is by testimony of the holy Ghost † Apoc. 2.9 the Synagogne of Satan her doctrine b 1. Tim. 4.1 the doctrine of Diuels they must needs be guitly of damnable sin by such their partaking with her And therefore their company not Gods Church because that multitude cannot possibly be Gods Church wherein there are none c Ephes 5 27. Aug. contr Donatist post Col. cap. 20. de doctr Christi l. 3 c. 34. Retract li. 2. c. 18. epist 48. ad Vincenti●●● good but all wicked dissemblers clo●ers of their faith With the hart d Rom. 10.10 saith S. Paul we beleeue vnto iustice but with the mouth vnderstanding thereby all externall actions confession is made to salvation And the same Apostle biddeth all men e Rom. 16.17 Tit. 3.10 to avoide false teachers and f 2. Cor. 6.17 separate themselues from them yea g Ioh. 10.5 not to follow them but to flee from them is a marke which cur Saviour himselfe giueth of distinguishing his true sheepe from others We would say by that is said that perpetuall visiblenesse being an m Begging of the question essentiall quality note of Gods church and ever really existing with vs and in our Religion as all sorts of testimonies in the world doe witnesse and in no other company or congregation soeuer it followeth that n Impudent Beggers our Church is the sole true church and spouse of Christ Resolution of the 31. Reason Popish Religion is that whose professant company or congregation hath bin evermore since the first planting therof very visible perspicuous Ergo Popish religion is true religion and so to be tolerated ANSWERE To the Antecedent 1 I grant that from the yeere of Christ 605 when the dispersed points of Popery began to be established in the Primacy granted by Phocas vnto Boniface III. the professsant company thereof hath bin very visible and perspicuous 2 But it was not so from the beginning As the light in the first day was carryed vp and downe without any guid Gen. 1. and at length governed by the Sunne which God created for that purpose So the mystery of Popery at the first in the time of the Primitiue Church was stayed in no certaine subiect but wandred invisibly in the divers passages of running wits till at last it was setled in the See of Rome in the person of Boniface III. and his successors II To the Consequence 1 Popery is not therfore true Religion because from the first planting therof by the Divell the professors of it haue bin visible because visibility in that sense is

by the Turke the Gaules by the French the Britannes by the English the Spaniards by the Goths the Africanes by the Vandals To which may be added the Germans wasted subiected by Attila 〈◊〉 the seigniory of the Hunnes after the Arian heresie had rooted it selfe ●n seuerall quarters and prouinces of their Country The o Ortel●●s in R●gia ex Saxone ●elmoldo Crantzio inhabi●ants also of the citie Iulinum who being conuerted to the Romane faith and falling againe from it were all consumed both citizens and cittie with fire from heaven Touching the Countries in the East after they beganne to dishonour themselues with new doctrines the so fast ranne headlong therein an inseperable property of al heresie because they are vnbounded and lacke a defining binding power that in short while after to witte in the raigne of Herselius the Emperour there were on foote d Niceph. lib. 18.45 Jacobitans Georgiās Theopaschitae Armenians Monophysites Agnoetans Staurablatans Monothelites Severites Aphtar thodecits Phantasiasts Maniches Tetradites Tritheites Arians Nastorians sixteene severall sortes of beleefe but what followed First Chosr●es king of the Persiās sacked Ierusalem and much weakened the Empire Then Heraclius the Emperour turned Monothelite Mahomet that infernall monster being made the Captaine of the Saracens tooke Syria and Aegypt Anno Dom. 635. Mesopotamia Anno. Dom. 639. and afterward all Africa Finallie wee thinke that in the revolution of the fifteene first ages the Nation or kingdome cannot be named which forsaking the Catholike Romane religion or not keeping it whole inviolated was either not e The contrarie appeareth in England and Scotland to insist in no other conquered or miserably torne by civill division and slaughters Resolution of the 30 Reason Popish religion is that from which Countries either departing or mingling other doctrines with it made present wracke of their former felicities falling either into flatte Apostasie or most lamentable bondage or both Ergo. Popery is true religion and to be tolerated ANSWERE 1 GOD doth not punish any nation or people for departing from Papistrie seeing such a departing is not Apostacie from true religion as I haue proved before p. 37. 2 GOD is so farre from punishing any for separating themselues from the communion of Popery that contrariwise whosoever doth not separate himself God threatneth to plague him Apoc. 18.4 Goe out of her my people that yee bee not partakers of her sinnes and that yee receive not of her plagues 3 The Suppliants instāces are of such nations as were before Poperie beganne to raigne who could not therfore be punished for relinquishing Poperie 4 Those nations were indeed punished either for quite falling away from true religion or for not professing it so sincerely as they ought to haue done 5 For our times GOD hath infinitely blessed the professours of our Religion declared his iudgments against Poperie and Papistes I will not speake of Luther who by the mightie protection of GOD bouldly maintained the truth of the Gospell even in the middest amongst his enemies Nor yet of the miraculous preservatiō of Geneva that standeth in the mouth of the adversaries who wante neither power nor malice against it Nor of Rochell besieged for the Gospelles sake by all the power of France for seven whole monethes togither and yet by the power of GOD persisted invincible 6 Onely I will speake one worde of this Kingdome of England and for our late blessed Soveraigne Who as shee hath stoutly maintained the cause of Iesus Christ so hath GOD performed vnto her kingdome his promises made vnto his children in Iesus Christ Search all Histories turne al Chronicles sacred or prophane ecclesiastical or civil yet shal yee never finde a Womā-Prince a Mayden or Virgin Queen yea you shall not finde any Prince at all whose preservatiō hath bin so mighty whose glorie so great whose government so long so prosperous so happie All this hath bin the more admirable and is the more to be considered by how much the more and oftener shee hath bin cursed with bell booke and candle by him that arrogateth to himselfe Fulues of power and auctority in heaven in earth in hell But GOD hath turned his curses into blessings yea the more he cursed her Maiestie and the Land the more GOD hath blessed both 7 If the Land should not continue still in the zealous profession of the Gospell but should mingle heresies with truth and admitte the practise of Popery which is the Suppliants motion and petition Doubtlesse God would cease from being our GOD he would with draw his blessings frō vs yea he would be avenged vpon such a faithlesse backsliding people Reason of Religion 31 31. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion whose professant company or congregation hath bin evermore since the first planting thereof very visible and perspicuous as the severall resemblances parables and figuratiue speeches vsed in holy Scripture do clearely testisie that the true a Most false the Scriptures following are miserably applyed Church and Spouse of Christ should ever be comparing her to a a Psal 18.5 tabernacle placed in the Sunne to a b Esa 2.2 mountaine prepared in the toppe of moūtaines to a c Matth. 5.15 Citie situated on a hill to a d Math. 3.12 Luk. 3.17 Floore to a e Math. 13.47 Nette a f Ioh. 10.16 Spheepe-folde a g Luk. 14.16 great Supper a h Matth. 21.33 Luk. 20.9 Vineyard c. and her doctrine to a i Matth. 5.15 Candle put vpon a candlesticke shining to al that are in the house that is b An absurd glosse in the world as k Tract 2. in epist Joan. S. Augustine vnderstandeth the place things that are all most visible and obvious to weakest sense and therfore do proue that the true Church ought to be alwaies visible and apparant to the view of others Neither is the word Church to be foūd throughout the whole body of holy Scripture to signifie other then a c But we read in the Scriptures that the woman fied into the wildernes c. Apoc. 12.14 visible knowne multitude and the reason is plaine why it must so signifie because it were otherwise impossible for any one to ioyne himselfe to the true Church persevere therein obey the head and be subiect to the Prelates therof which all are bound to doe by the expresse word of God law of nature vnder heauiest curse censure of damnation if the Church were or could be invisible or not remonstrable For vnto things hidden invisible there can be no repaire no adherence nor homage of duty or tribute of obedience defrayed Nay to deny the perpetuall visibility and d Who denieth this Ephes 5.26 Ephes 1.23 dyration of the Church were in great part to e They fight without en adversarie for no man denieth but that Christ hath had and shall haue his church alwaies though not alwaies visible evacuate Christes passion and plainely to

sacrament 14 The Monothelites taught that there was but one will in our Saviour Christ So taught Honorius the Pope in like manner 2. Tom. Concil Colon. Anno. 1551. editor pag. 365. in Sexta Synod Constantinop Act. 12. 15 The Arabians held that the Soule died and was dissolved with the body Aug. de Haeres cap. 83. Niceph. Eccl. Hist lib. 5. c. 23. So also beleeved Pope Iohn XXIII the head of the Romish Church who as the Papistes affirme cannot possibly erre Concerning whom I will lay downe the very words of the Councel of Constance Dominus IOANNES Papa XXIII saepe sapius coram diversis Praelatis alijs honestis probis viris pertinaciter diabolo suadente dixit asseveravit dogmatizavit astruxit vitam ateruam NON ESSE neque aliam post hanc quinim● dixit pertinaciter credidit animam hominis cum corpore humano MORI EXTINGVI ad instar animalium brutorū dixitque mortuum semel esse etiam in novissimo die MINIME resurrecturum Tom. 2. Concilior pag. 1060. Concil Constant Sess 11. whervpon in the same session he is called Diaholus incarnatus pag. 1050. But concerning this point the Reader may reade more in my booke de Antichristo Cap. 24. II To the Consequence 1 IF Popish religion had confuted and out lasted severall hūdreds of heresies yet it followeth not that it is true religion therefore because it is not strange to see one Heretique warre and fight against another and the stronger to overcome and out-last the weaker So Popery hath done and doth continually But the truth of the Gospell being the doctrine of the Stronger man which overcame and bound the strong man armed hath and ever doth batter Popery to peeces and hath gotten from it whole kingdomes and nations already God be praised and shall shortly worke the vtter ruine and desolation thereof Amen Amen 2 The places of Scripture cited by the Suppliants are not meant of the Popishe Church but of the true Church of Christ where with they have no communion who doe vnworthily separate themselves from the same and take part with her enemie Reason of Religion 6 6. REASON OF RELIGION A religion that erected and built a What ALL this word is too generall the world can testifie And ALL this is but a begging of the question 2. Pet. 1.8 all the Churches Hospitalles and ancient Colledges in Christendome indowed them with livings instituted the Vniversities and Seminaries distinguithed the multitude into parishes proportioned the tithes annexed the glebe land founded the Bishoprickes limited the Dio●ese● decreed Ecclesiasticall lawes and immunities enacted all the olde Lawes of our Realme and did for that they would not be vacant without fruite as the Apostle aduised in the knowlegde of our Lord Iesus a thousand good workes besides of which the religion regnant reapeth b GOD can stirre up wicked men to doe his children good daily beneficte and could not without such our churches provision and ordinances ever haue carried the exterior shew it doth Resolution of the 6. Reason Popish Religion erected and built Churches Hospitals Colleges endowed them with livings instituted Vniver sities and Seminaries c and did a thousand good workes besides Ergo Poperie is true Religion and therefore to be tolerated ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 THere were Churches Hospital Colleges Vniversities and Schooles erected and instituted in the Primitiue Church before Popery was dreamed of 2 Also the tithes were proportioned in the old Testament in the daies of the ancient Patriarkes And Bishopricks were foūded dioceses limited parishes distinguished and Ecclesiasticall laws decreed long before the beginning and originall of Popery by the Fathers of the Primitiue Church 3 〈◊〉 that Popish Religion bee conferred with the Religiō that those worthy mē which erected builded Churches Hospitals Colleges Vniversities Schooles since the time of the Primitiue Church died in and both of them bee tryed by the Scriptures and then compared vvith ours it will be found that not halfe of them dyed in the Popish Religion as the Suppliants imagine yea that the ancientest and best of them dyed in ours and therefore both they and their monuments are ours and giue greater credit vnto our Religion then all the rest doe or can do vnto Poperie II To the Consequence 1 Suppose Popish Religion to be the principall auctor and agent in all these and in a thousand good works besides yet doth it not follow therefore that Popery is true Religion Because heretiques may in civill affaires do or decree some things which in themselues are good which notwithstanding doth not any way giue allowance vnto their Heresie 2 The Protestants haue built many Churches Hospitals Colleges Vniversities and Schooles and done ten thousand good workes besides Wherefore by the Suppliants argument the Protestants Religion must needs bee true vvhich yet they vvill not grant 3 Yea vvhat is there in this Reason vvhich Infidels heathen men may not alleadge for thēselues Pagans Iewes Turkes and other profane Nations erected many goodly monuments decreed wholesome and profitable lawes and haue done many workes besides which in themselues are very good Will the Suppliants from hence cōclude that their profession is true Religion 4 GOD can bring forth light our of darknes he can raise vp Heretiques Infidels and Atheists to doe many things for the good and benefite of his Church Children Reason of Religion 7 7. REASON OF RELIGION A Religion a A lowde lie 9.10 11. Centenaries that in three ages togither had not three open adversaries in the Christian world who contradicted or impugned her doctrine or beleeued another forme of faith then that which shee then and now teacheth And the Wisedome of the eternall God alluding to his b If we will beleeve the Suppliants Glosse else not Pro. 14.28 Glossa interlin in hunc locum Church affirmeth that in the multitude of people cōsisteth the glory of a King and in the small number the ignominy of the Prince Resolution of the 7. Reason Popish Religion in three ages togither had not three open Adversaries in the Christian worlde who contradicted her Doctrine or beleeved any other forme of faith then that vvhich shee teacheth Ergo Poperie is true Religion and to be tolerated ANSWERE I. To the Antecedent 1 THere haue bin in every age worthy and faithfull Christians who contradicted the Popish superstition publikely and openly opposed themselues against Antichrist For GOD had alwaies TWO WITNESSES to testifie the trueth against the Adversary Apoc. 11.3 2 These faithfull Servants of GOD haue ever beleeved and held an other forme of faith then that which Popish Religion taught For they kept the commaundements of GOD and had the testimonie of IESVS CHRIST Apoc. 12.17 3 In these Centenaries which the Suppliants speake of to wit in the 9.10 and 11. there lived questionlesse seaven thousande vvhich bovved not their knees vnto Baall 4 About these times flourished Bertrame the