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A10748 A treatise of ecclesiasticall and politike povver Shewing, the church is a monarchicall gouernment, ordained to a supernaturall and spirituall end, tempered with an aristocraticall order, (which is the best of all and most conformable to nature) by the great pastor of soules Iesus Christ. Faithfully translated out of the Latin originall, of late publikely printed and allowed in Paris. Now set foorth for a further warrant and encouragement to the Romish Catholikes of England, for theyr taking of the Oath of Allegiance; seeing so many others of their owne profession in other countries doe deny the Popes infalibility in indgement and temporall power ouer princes, directly against the doctrine of Iesuits. To the prince.; De ecclesiastica et politica potestate. English Richer, Edmond. 1612 (1612) STC 21024; ESTC S102957 32,246 64

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be_v ordain_v by_o christ_n to_o be_v the_o shepherd_n over_o the_o whole_a church_n in_o these_o word_n feed_v my_o sheep_n and_o that_o by_o that_o divine_a speech_n neither_o apostle_n nor_o general_a counsel_n be_v exclude_v be_v all_o christ_n sheep_n and_o therefore_o to_o be_v feed_v by_o s._n peter_n the_o vicar_n of_o christ_n to_o that_o we_o answer_v that_o by_o these_o word_n christ_n do_v give_v no_o other_o authority_n but_o ministerial_a unto_o peter_n as_o we_o have_v prove_v sect._n 4.5_o and_o 9_o and_o that_o the_o duty_n of_o a_o minister_n and_o vicar_n be_v to_o put_v in_o execution_n the_o precept_n of_o the_o divine_a natural_a and_o canonical_a law_n but_o yet_o according_a to_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o aristocratical_a temper_n ordain_v by_o god_n and_o that_o therefore_o peter_n be_v account_v a_o pastor_n only_o for_o the_o execution_n of_o canon_n administration_n of_o the_o word_n and_o other_o such_o thing_n which_o may_v better_a be_v manage_v by_o one_o man_n alone_o then_o by_o the_o whole_a church_n gather_v together_o in_o a_o council_n their_o second_o argument_n be_v that_o the_o whole_a church_n gather_v together_o in_o a_o council_n make_v but_o one_o family_n one_o flock_n one_o kingdom_n and_o visible_a body_n of_o christ_n therefore_o must_v also_o necessary_o have_v a_o visible_a head_n the_o pope_n and_o it_o will_v seem_v a_o strange_a monster_n if_o one_o body_n shall_v have_v two_o supreme_a head_n the_o pope_n and_o the_o general_a council_n we_o answer_v that_o the_o church_n be_v a_o monarchical_a policy_n temper_v by_o a_o aristocratical_a government_n whence_o of_o necessity_n it_o follow_v that_o the_o council_n have_v the_o supreme_a power_n for_o direction_n of_o government_n correction_n and_o authority_n to_o make_v canon_n and_o as_o for_o peter_n he_o have_v it_o only_o for_o the_o execution_n exercise_n and_o use_v of_o the_o ●●ies_n towards_o the_o particular_a church_n look_v our_o sect._n 4.5.6_o and_o 9_o three_o they_o allege_v that_o in_o the_o council_n hold_v at_o rome_n under_o pope_n silvester_n with_o 280._o bishop_n it_o be_v ordain_v cap._n 20._o let_v no_o body_n judge_v the_o first_o sea_n which_o be_v desirous_a to_o temper_v justice_n the_o judge_n shall_v not_o be_v judge_v no_o not_o of_o the_o emperor_n not_o of_o the_o whole_a clergy_n nor_o of_o king_n nor_o of_o people_n which_o sentence_n gratianus_n cit_v 9_o quest_n 3._o can._n nemo_n but_o if_o we_o must_v needs_o tell_v you_o what_o we_o think_v thereof_o whosoever_o will_v due_o consider_v that_o canon_n shall_v even_o at_o the_o first_o sight_n perceive_v that_o it_o be_v more_o hurtful_a than_o favourable_a to_o the_o adversary_n because_o the_o opinion_n of_o the_o school_n of_o paris_n ground_v upon_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o synod_n of_o constance_n teach_v that_o the_o pope_n may_v be_v judge_v by_o the_o council_n in_o that_o case_n only_o when_o he_o do_v notorious_o scandalize_v the_o church_n and_o be_v incorrigible_a but_o if_o he_o be_v desirous_a to_o temper_v justice_n true_o he_o must_v be_v judge_v of_o no_o body_n since_o he_o law_n be_v not_o make_v against_o a_o i●●_n man_n be_v a_o perpetual_a law_n to_o himself_o second_o although_o this_o canon_n shall_v decree_v absolute_o yet_o can_v it_o not_o derogate_v any_o thing_n from_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o council_n of_o constance_n since_o it_o be_v make_v in_o a_o particular_a church_n which_o indeed_o ought_v not_o to_o judge_v of_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n unless_o he_o submit_v himself_o to_o the_o judgement_n of_o that_o council_n as_o once_o pope_n sixtus_n the_o three_o do_v 2._o quest_n 4._o canon_n mandaslis_n therefore_o those_o word_n no_o not_o of_o the_o whole_a clergy_n must_v he_o understand_v distributive_o of_o some_o church_n or_o particular_a clergy_n but_o not_o joint_o of_o a_o whole_a general_a council_n as_o that_o of_o constance_n or_o basill_n be_v three_o who_o be_v acquaint_v with_o the_o read_n of_o counsel_n shall_v soon_o perceive_v that_o there_o be_v many_o harsh_a and_o unproper_a thing_n in_o this_o canon_n which_o make_v it_o just_o suspect_v of_o manifest_a i●●eption_n for_o certain_o in_o those_o time_n the_o father_n of_o the_o church_n do_v not_o speak_v so_o glorious_o neither_o do_v the_o persecution_n give_v they_o leave_v to_o think_v of_o any_o absolute_a power_n moreover_o what_o need_v to_o have_v speak_v of_o king_n since_o at_o that_o time_n there_o be_v none_o at_o all_o but_o only_o the_o roman_a emperor_n but_o thou_o christian_a reader_n we_o pray_v thou_o look_v thereupon_o cardinal_n cusanus_fw-la lib._n 2._o cap._n 20._o de_fw-la concordantia_fw-la catholicas_n for_o all_o other_o authority_n which_o be_v cite_v out_o of_o the_o writing_n of_o pope_n &_o read_v 9_o quest_n 3._o there_o be_v no_o great_a account_n to_o be_v make_v of_o they_o since_o john_n gerson_n and_o other_o parisian_a doctor_n do_v answer_v in_o a_o word_n that_o none_o be_v to_o be_v believe_v in_o his_o own_o cause_n except_o his_o testimony_n agree_v with_o the_o divine_a natural_a and_o canonical_a law_n but_o now_o it_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o law_n of_o god_n and_o nature_n that_o the_o ministerial_a head_n shall_v have_v power_n over_o the_o church_n and_o sure_o the_o final_a cause_n of_o the_o church_n which_o be_v everlasting_a life_n by_o a_o good_a government_n declare_v evident_o that_o the_o pope_n be_v by_o the_o church_n and_o for_o the_o church_n not_o contrariwise_o the_o church_n by_o and_o for_o the_o pope_n therefore_o in_o the_o matter_n of_o ecclesiastical_a government_n that_o cephas_n that_o be_v peter_n be_v subject_a unto_o the_o church_n as_o the_o eye_n unto_o man_n 1._o cor._n 3.21_o therefore_o let_v no_o man_n glory_n in_o man_n for_o all_o thing_n be_v you_o that_o be_v of_o the_o church_n whether_o it_o be_v paul_n or_o apollo_n or_o cephas_n etc._n etc._n item_n 2._o cor._n 13.10_o all_o power_n be_v give_v to_o edification_n not_o to_o destruction_n from_o whence_o it_o arise_v as_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n by_o the_o divine_a and_o natural_a law_n can_v provide_v and_o prevent_v that_o the_o pope_n may_v not_o rule_v she_o to_o her_o own_o destruction_n as_o it_o be_v decide_v conc._n constant_a sess_n 4._o and_o 5._o final_o whereas_o they_o cry_v so_o loud_o that_o the_o church_n have_v a_o indirect_a authority_n over_o the_o temporalty_n it_o be_v true_a by_o way_n of_o doctrine_n persuasion_n direction_n and_o exclusion_n from_o the_o communion_n of_o the_o church_n but_o false_a that_o it_o ought_v to_o be_v do_v by_o constraint_n and_o deposition_n of_o prince_n as_o we_o have_v show_v sect._n 11._o &_o 12_o see_v the_o church_n have_v neither_o territory_n nor_o use_v of_o the_o material_a sword_n whosoever_o therefore_o do_v maintain_v that_o the_o church_n may_v lawful_o depose_v christian_n prince_n do_v even_o as_o much_o as_o if_o one_o shall_v infer_v that_o the_o schoolmaster_n because_o he_o have_v the_o authority_n of_o scholastical_a discipline_n may_v disinherit_v his_o disciple_n of_o their_o partrimonie_n if_o they_o be_v obstinate_a against_o his_o discipline_n which_o also_o be_v fallacious_a as_o be_v wrest_v à_fw-la dicto_fw-la secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la addictum_fw-la simpliciter_fw-la from_o that_o which_o be_v say_v in_o some_o respect_n to_o that_o which_o be_v affirm_v simple_o for_o such_o thing_n which_o be_v true_a in_o some_o one_o and_o peculiar_a sense_n ought_v not_o to_o be_v stretch_v to_o a_o universal_a and_o absolute_a sense_n but_o by_o sophister_n and_o juggler_n only_o and_o if_o they_o urge_v further_o that_o the_o church_n be_v sufficient_a in_o itself_o and_o a_o supreme_a commandress_n the_o answer_n be_v that_o that_o must_v be_v limit_v within_o those_o bound_n which_o be_v assign_v by_o nature_n to_o every_o thing_n but_o the_o essential_a cause_n of_o the_o church_n will_v not_o suffer_v that_o churchman_n shall_v meddle_v with_o violent_a or_o secular_a business_n wherefore_o all_o the_o sufficiency_n of_o the_o church_n government_n ought_v to_o be_v derive_v from_o the_o observation_n of_o the_o commandment_n of_o god_n but_o not_o from_o any_o temporal_a monarchy_n or_o right_a of_o sword_n mat._n 28.19_o go_v therefore_o and_o teach_v all_o nation_n baptise_v they_o and_o teach_v they_o to_o observe_v all_o thing_n whatsoever_o i_o have_v command_v you_o and_o lot_n i_o be_o with_o you_o always_o until_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n for_o the_o argument_n which_o do_v uphold_v this_o doctrine_n we_o will_v reduce_v they_o to_o three_o head_n the_o first_o shall_v contain_v all_o the_o example_n which_o sanders_n bellarmine_n co●queus_n and_o other_o set_v forth_o out_o of_o the_o old_a testament_n but_o all_o ab_fw-la ignoratione_n elenchi_fw-la through_o unskillfullnesse_n of_o argue_v who_o be_v ignorant_a among_o we_o that_o there_o be_v a_o far_o different_a nature_n of_o the_o jew_n synagogue_n and_o of_o the_o christian_a church_n of_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n and_o of_o the_o gospel_n for_o these_o indeed_o have_v territorie_n allot_v they_o &_o consequent_o may_v have_v right_a of_o mere_a command_n from_o god_n which_o not_o wise_a man_n will_v ever_o affirm_v of_o the_o church_n and_o to_o this_o that_o the_o evangelicall_a law_n compare_v to_o that_o of_o moses_n yea_o to_o any_o other_o law_n whatsoever_o be_v a_o law_n true_o royal_a and_o full_a of_o mildness_n and_o most_o perfect_a liberty_n whereas_o the_o law_n of_o moses_n be_v a_o most_o servile_a bondage_n act._n 15.10_o gal._n 4.3_o the_o second_o head_n offer_v unto_o we_o the_o authority_n take_v out_o the_o canonical_a law_n which_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n commend_v namely_o cap._n 3._o synod_n lateran_n where_o it_o be_v ordain_v that_o king_n and_o prince_n be_v to_o be_v depose_v which_o do_v not_o root_v out_o all_o heretic_n from_o their_o dominion_n the_o answer_n be_v that_o these_o and_o the_o like_a aught_o to_o have_v no_o more_o power_n against_o civil_a prince_n than_o the_o extravagant_a of_o boniface_n 8._o unam_fw-la sanctam_fw-la or_o the_o constitution_n of_o paul_n 4._o cum_fw-la ei_fw-la apostolatus_fw-la of_o sive_fw-la which_o be_v to_o be_v read_v in_o the_o directory_n for_o inquisitor_n see_v those_o decree_n have_v be_v make_v not_o synodical_o that_o be_v with_o consent_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o by_o the_o pope_n private_o and_o by_o their_o own_o proper_a motion_n which_o therefore_o do_v not_o bind_v because_o the_o church_n be_v rule_v by_o canon_n not_o by_o absolute_a power_n sect._n 5._o and_o 8._o for_o the_o three_o head_n we_o deny_v absolute_o that_o the_o deposition_n of_o king_n chilperi●_n or_o the_o translation_n of_o the_o empire_n to_o the_o french_a be_v by_o the_o only_a authority_n of_o the_o pope_n without_o consent_n authority_n or_o desire_v of_o the_o people_n and_o though_o it_o be_v true_a as_o they_o say_v yet_o will_v it_o make_v but_o very_o little_a or_o nothing_o to_o the_o decision_n of_o our_o present_a controversy_n since_o it_o rather_o open_v a_o question_n of_o fact_n then_o of_o right_a as_o also_o the_o example_n of_o the_o depose_n of_o henry_n 4._o frederick_n 2._o and_o other_o emperor_n or_o king_n let_v therefore_o our_o adversary_n dispute_n of_o right_n not_o of_o fact_n for_o our_o lord_n jesus_n christ_n have_v ordain_v the_o christian_a commonwealth_n to_o be_v govern_v by_o good_a manner_n and_o canon_n not_o by_o example_n the_o solution_n of_o all_o other_o argument_n draw_v either_o from_o holy_a scripture_n or_o any_o where_o else_o may_v be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o most_o learned_a treatise_n of_o m._n john_n of_o paris_n touch_v regal_a and_o papal_a authority_n let_v all_o these_o thing_n be_v subject_a unto_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n finis_fw-la