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A70985 The reign of the whore discovered and her ruine seen her merchants the priests examined, and with the Romish church (their elder sister) compared and found agreeable in many things ... : some queries also for those people that pay tythes, and priests that receive tythes, to consider and answer : and whereas their cry hath been loud against us the people of God called Quakers, that we are Jesuits, and Jesuitical, in tryal they are found false accusers, and of the same stock and generation themselves ... : also the sustance of a dispute which was the 15th day of the 2d month, called April 1659, at the Bridge-house in Southwark, between VVilliam Cooper, VVilliam VVhitaker, Thomas VVoodsworth, VVieles, Watkins, Cradicut, and others who profess themselves ministers of Christ, and some of the people call'd Quakers ... / written in that which gives to see over all the popish train ... W.S. Smith, William, d. 1673.; Burrough, Edward, 1634-1662. Following letter containing the substance of the dispute. 1659 (1659) Wing S204A; ESTC R33983 31,593 40

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whom you her Merchants have built your Ships and set up your Trade by the Authority of the Beast which rose out of the same place the Whore sate on He that hath Wisdom let him understand I say By the Authority of this Beast who hath seven heads ten horns ten Crowns upon his horns upon his heads the name of Blasphemy unto whom the Dragon gave his power have you and all Parish-Masters and others of the Whores choice Merchants in whole Christendom sate and advanced your Trade above and beyond all the Crafts-mens Trade beside in the whole World And this may appear plain to the view of all people if these few particulars following are considered First You have got a Market-place where none must sell any Wares but your selves though it be never so much better then yours neither must any come into your Market-place to give freely to poor people whose souls are ready to starve for want of the Bread of life notwithstanding they buy of your deceitful Wares Secondly You have had and some of your Brethren still have a compulsive Law to compel and constrain all people within such a compass or quarter to come to your Market-place and buy of you and none other Thirdly Whether those people within such a compass or quarter or parish come to your Market or no or receive any of your Merchandize notwithstanding you will make them pay as much as if they did or else you will take or cause to be taken from them violently it may be three four or five times as much as the price was you first set upon your Commodities Fourthly Though your Merchandize be never so deceitful and insufficient yet none must refuse them neither will you bate of your price and if any come to see the deceitfulness and insufficiency of what you sell at a very deer rate and declare against it that people might not be deceived and defrauded always with deceitful words and devillish Doctrines you wil sue such at the Law for slanderers and get one of the Beasts Horns that hath a Crown upon it to grant you 100. l. damage or some other punishment as whip or prison or banishment or life if ye can get it for the Whore loves blood and so doth her Merchants and children Fifthly Another thing that makes your Trade exceed all the Crafts-mens Trade beside in the whole World is That when poor people have bought your Merchandize and paid you or at least are liable to pay you you take them home again in your Pockets or Bibles or Note-Books and lay them up in your Ware-house to wit your Liberary and as you see occasion and opportunity you carry them to Market again and they wil yeild you as much as they did at the first and yet after you have sold your Imagery Work over and over you can trim it and dress it a little and put the title Doctor of Divinity to it or Batchellor of Divinity or Mr. William or Mr. John such a one Ministers of God's Word at such a Church in such a place and find a Chapman some Bookseller or Printer or other to give you money for it Much like this might be mentioned but this is sufficient to let all people which are not quite blind see wherein this whores Merchants trade exceeds all other Arts Crafts and Trades in the whole world And also the reason may here be seen wherefore these Parish-Masters and others of Mystery Babylons Merchants strives and petition that their trade may be upheld even in this Nation under this notion Propagate or hold up the Gospel when if they would speak as they mean it is thus Propagate hold up or maintain our Mothers Authority by which Authority we have had a good trade a great while and our profits hath been great and our incombs sure and let the Romish Churches our elder Sisters her Institutions Ordinations Customs Manners Practices and Places stand else we shal have no certain Trade for if we lose our Elder Sisters Law which gives us Tythes and that compels people to buy our Gospel we shal be undone peoples hearts are so hard they wil give us little freely though they have been and stil are our Auditors and we have taught them some ten some twenty thirty or forty years yet we are afraid if we lose our elder Sisters Law that those that have been our constant customers would hate us much of our price and those that do not like our Doctrine and Church-discipline and our chargeable Gospel will give us nothing at all is not this the very language of your hearts whose cry is Propagate the Gospel let that which searcheth your hearts and discerns the secret intents thereof the light of Christ in your Consciences answer for the Gospel is Christ the power of God which propagates or holds up all things and 't is ignorance and blasphemy to cry and petition to an arm of flesh to propagate this Gospel but 't is another Gospel that they who have brought it are accursed that wants propagating and this shall all your Merchants of Babylon know in the dreadfull day of the Lord our God when all the blood you have drunk and Tortures and Racks Whips and Prisons Stocks and Inquisitions and other carnal weapons you have used to propagate your Gospel shall rise up in Judgement against you then will ye cry to the Rocks and the Mountains to fall upon you to hide you from the Wrath of the Lamb And now is the wondrfull day at hand wherein the Wolves Bears and Lions shall be afraid and seek to hide themselves from the presence of the Lamb Consider this all ye hirelings that rend and tear and make a prey upon the innocent lambs of Christ for to serve your own bellies and covetous unchristian greedy desires how greatly do you dishonour the name of Christ in calling your selves his Ministers have not you and all your Brethren the Popish Christians in whole Christendome sent an ill savour throughout the Nations and Regions round about you yea and many of those you count heathens shal rise up in judgment against you even against you who have the sheeps cloathing the Prophets words Christs vvords the Apostles words but inwardly ravened from the Spirit of God in your selves and so have appeared devouring wolves and destroyers of the sheeps life scatterers of the flock of God hear the Word of the Lord by the mouth of his Prophet Ezekiel against such as you Wo be to the Shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves should not the shepherds feed the flocks ye eat the fat and ye cloth you with the wool ye kill them that are fed but ye feed not the flock the diseased haue ye not strengthened neither have ye healed that which was sick neither have ye bound up that which was broken neither have ye brought again that which was driven away neither have ye sought that which was lost but with force and with cruelty have ye
are not all ye Mass-house-singers in whole Christendome so called such But the Lord hath redeemed and is redeeming many thousands from among you Babylonish singers and hath brought and is bringing them to godly sorrow which leadeth to repentance never to be repented of and afterwards to the joy which shall never have an end and your rejoicing and singing which is carnal customary and formal before any godly sorrow for sin you know and before you are lead to that repentance which is never to be repented of I say this your rejoicing and singing which is before repentance must of necessity end in sorrow and anguish of heart The Lord grant you such sorrow which leadeth to repentance in time before Eternity seizeth upon you that weeping and howling and gnashing of teeth be not your portion for ever for if the prayers of the unregenerate ungodly or wicked are abomination to the Lord is their praises and singing any better Is praise comely in the mouth of a fool And are not they fools that lives in iniquity yet rejoiceth Consider this ye Priests ye Jesuits and Popish Christians and let the Witness for God in your conscience and in all consciences answer whether ye are not all alike Concerning your praying after you have done singing The Scripture saith I will that men pray every where lifting up holy hands without wrath or doubting But what hands do you lift up Are your hands holy c Have not you Wrath Envy and Malice in your hearts and doubtings and waverings in your minds Is not your prayings like the Popish Priests and Papists prayings And like the Scribes and Pharisees prayings Did Christ ever teach you to pray any more then he taught them Are you his Disciples or Schollars or followers any more then they What do you learn of him And whither do you follow him Can you say that he hath taught you to pray as he taught his Disciple to pray Have you not learnt to pray of some other besides Christ And do not you instead of being led to pray by the Spirit of Christ pray customarily You know when you have sung out your Psalm you make and frame a prayer or else the people will wonder at you so instead of waiting and staying for the moving and leadings of the holy spirit to pray by you wait for the end of the Psalm and then you move and stir up your selves and makes a mock of the movings of the spirit of God and so instead of praying by the Spirit you turn up your Hour-glass and prayes by that so that you know how long to pray and how long to preach and how long to sing by your guide the Hour-glass and your eye is often towards it for direction and when 't is a pretty deal run you will tell the people you see the time is far spent therefore you must hasten and when your Glass is out you tell the people the time is spent and you see the time is past and therefore you shall conclude Oh what do ye mean ye Priests that ye are not yet ashamed of this divice and Popish Invention in this day of the light 's breaking forth in the hearts of people Ye search the Scriptures which you falsly call your Rule and you say you are Ministers of Christ and succeeders of the Apostles but in trial you are found lyars and your pretended Rule the holy Scriptures witnesseth against you as transgressors out of the life of the holy men that gave them forth wresting their words to serve your private ends to your own and others that are led by you destruction and out of the Apostles and Ministers of Christs steps life manners behaviour doctrine and practices Where is it written in the holy Scriptures and which of the Apostles and Ministers of Christ appointed and ordained that their succeeders should pray and preach and sing by an Hour-glass and to meet together by the sound of the Bells to worship Where is that written And which of the Ministers of Christ appointed Bells to call their Brethren together In which of the Christian Churches before the Apostacy was there Hour-glasses and Bells and Pulpits with embroydered Cloath about them and lined Stalls for the rich with a lock and key to keep the poor out and many such like devices which are found amongst you I say Where is your Rule● Where is your Example for any of these and such like things in the Scriptures of the holy men of God Come Priests look out the Chapter and Verse if you can and let us know where it is until then we shall conclude yea and it is concluded already That you walk not nor worship not as the Christians before the Apostacy did neither have you them for your example or pattern but that your example and pattern is the false Romish Church your elder Sister and the great Whore your Mother we know and the Beast she rides on we have seen which is of a Scarlet colour and the blood she hath drunk of the Prophets Saints and Martyrs the Lord is enquiring after and making inquisition for and a bed of Torment she shall be laid on Hearken and rejoice ye Saints ye Children of the Most High a Bed which betokeneth a place of Rest shall be the Whores place of Torment her resting place shall torment her Alas alas Weeping and wailing and mourning over her shall be the greatest comfort her Merchants that hath been made rich by her and her children she hath delicately brought up shall yeild her yea all ye Ship-Masters and all ye company in Ships and Saylors and Kings and Merchants shall stand afar off for fear of her torment and cast dust on their heads and cry weeping and wailing saying Alas alas that great City wherein were made rich all that had Ships in the sea by reason of her costliness for in one hour is she made desolate Rejoice over her thou Heaven and ye holy Apostles and Prophets for God hath avenged you on her you have seen the Angel take up the great stone and give the sign of her perpetual downfal and a great voice of much people in Heaven is heard saying Halelujah Salvation and Glory and Honor and Power unto the Lord our God for true and righteous are his judgements for he hath judged the great Whore which did corrupt the Earth with her fornication and hath avenged the blood of his Servants And again they said Halelujah c. And now you National Priests are not you the Ship-Masters or Parish-Masters Merchants or Traders by Sea here spoken of And the gathering together of the waters he called Sea And the Beast with seven heads and ten horns rose out of the Sea The wicked are like a troubled Sea And the waters thou sawest where the Whore sitteth are peoples kindreds tongues and nations So the sea is Waters and the Waters is Peoples Multitudes Tongues and Nations whereon the Whore your Mother hath long sate and in or among