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A13298 A rejoynder to the reply published by the Iesuites vnder the name of William Malone. The first part. Wherein the generall answer to the challenge is cleared from all the Iesuites cavills Synge, George, 1594-1653. 1632 (1632) STC 23604; ESTC S118086 381,349 430

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velut illegittimum à Leone Pontifice justissi●● improbatum fuit Supponit enim quod Romana sedes tunc primatum habere merucrit cùm Romani orbis imperio potiretur atque adeo non divino sed humane jute caput Ecclesiarum effecta fuerit It might have been that the Councell of Trent or such like might have made good your word but in a true and legitimate assembly of pious persons such as Chalcedon was it would never have beene done for they would have distinguished betwixt pretences and truthes betwixt an hereticall sound and a true allegation Your crambe hath received his answere before to which I referre the reader yet all that is here produced prooves nothing first that the Pope was head that is Praeses concilij head of the representative Church secondly this is declared by a similitude Tu quidem sicut membris caput pr●●ras Thou sittest President as the head over the members l Reply pag. 12 which is nothing for will the Pope claime by the similitude and not acknowledge a dissimilitude Balaams asse spake sicut heme yet no man Balaam gave his resolution sicut Prophet● yet no Prophet The beast had two hornes like the Lambe but spake like the Dragon * Revel 13. 11. so the Pope may bee sicut caput in usurpation but no head established by Christ Onely your new addition Vine● custodia à Salvatore commissa est to whom the charge of this Vineyard was committed by our Saviour sure should bee to some effect yet what makes this to your Papall height Indeed it may prove your Pope a Pastor but not a Prince of the Church For to whom is the custodie of the Flocke of CHRIST committed but to every Archippus Which Flocke I thinke the Iesuite will not deny to be the Vineyard of the Lord So that you see the Iesuite hath done as much as an hereticke for his Dalilah his defiled M●● he hath pretended her beauty comelines ancient Progenitors when indeed it is all but painting or as he chargeth the Answerer but a flourish And now the Iesuite challengeth the most reverend Primate with breach of Courtesie because in bitter tearmes he inveigheth against him viz t the Pope who never did him any hurt calling him a supercilious Master the King of Pride m Reply pag. ●● c. But will M. Malone tell us the ground of the Popes milde countenance and courteous behaviour towards the learned Answerer that he never yet did him any hurt It is not I thinke because his affection diswades it but because he is out of his reach † By the Faculties of the Carmelites a coppie whereof being lost in the streetes of ●ublin remaineth in my hands they have power to reconcile Hereticks but you must conceive it is in places where they cannot destroy where their Inquisitionis not in force Facultates concessae ● SS mo D. N. D. VRBANO divina providen P. P. VIII Fratribus Carmelitis Discalceatis infrascriptis in Missione Hibernica alijs Regis maga● Britanniae Regnis versantibus 1. Reconciliandi Haereticos 〈◊〉 nationis dummodo non sint ex partibus in qui bus exercetur sanctum Inquisitionis officium not within the compasse of his crueltie for otherwise it is to be suspected that they love him aswell as Crammer Ridley Hooper and the other good Bishops that he sent to Heaven in a Chariot of Fire And this without doubt the Iesuite beleived or else he would not have reviled the most reverend Primate in such a shamelesse manner as hee hath done throughout his whole discourse But what evill hath the Answerer done Iohn the Baptist calleth those wretches which fought against the Kingdome of God a Generation of vipers * Mat. 3. 7● yet they never provoked him with personall injurie and Iohn the Evangelist calleth another of like temper Abbadon and Apo●●yon * Revel 9. 11. whom he saw by the Spirit of Prophecie to be such a pest to the Church of God as he now proveth himselfe And we have heard of a man of sinne * 2. Thess 11. 3. 4. that the Spirit of God checked with more bitter tearmes then are here given him by the learned Answerer What hath he sinned by being in his appellation too mercifull to usurpation to cruelties You ought then to pardon not to accuse his clemencie Those that have lived in the Popes owne Communion neither thought nor speake so tenderly of him n Aventin Annal Boiorum l. 7. Flamines illi BABYLONIAE soli regnare cupiunt ferre pacem non possunt non desistent donec omnia pedibus suis conculcaverint Ingentia loquitur quasi vero Deus osset Aventin Annal Boiom● l. 5. Falsi tum Prophetae false Apostoli falsi sacerdotes emersere qui simulatâ religione pop●lum decepert●●●●magna signa at● prodigia ediderunt in templo Dei sedere atque extolli super omne id quod colitur coeperunt Dumque suam putentiam dominationemque stabilire conantur charitatem simplicitatem Christianam 〈◊〉 Bernardus Morlanensis in 3. l. de Contemptu mund● Rexo BABYLONIS neither did he deserve it o Greg. VII Regest l. 2. post epist 55. tom 3. Concil edit Binn par 2. Dictatus Papae Quod solus possit uti imperialibus insignijs Quod foling Papae pedes omnes Principes deosculentur Quod illius solius nomen in Ecclesijs recitetur Quod unicum est nomen in mundo Quod illi liceat Imperatores deponere Lib 1. Ceremon Eccles Romanae So that this charge is just for it is not washing feete dissembling titles that can preserve him from being the King of Pride For paint pryde and paint a Cardinall p Nicol. de Clemangis de corrupto Ecclesiae statu c. 10. Si artifet quisque vellet superbiae similachrum offingere nulla congruentius ratione id facere posset quam Cardinalis effigiem oculis intuentium objectando Now I hope you will not deny the Pope to be their King Neither can his vaine pretences of Scriptures or fathers free him from being a supercilious Master in regard hee wil be the onely Doctor and Master of the Church for who knowes not that Christ must teach by his glosse q Hosius in fine libri de expresso Dei verbo Quod Ecclesia docet expressum Dei verbum esse quod contra sensum consensum Ecclesiae docetur expressum Diaboli verbum esse and servus servorum given in humilitie is but the contrarie of his practicall pryde r Aventin Annal. Boiorum ●7 pag. 547. Quiservus servorum est dominus dominerum perinde ac st Deus foret esse cupit Sacres coetus atque concilia statrum imo dominorum suorum aspernantur So that we see Dioscorus his saying is well applied and the Iesuite hath said nothing materiall in opposition against it he likes it not that Heretickes were used to forsake Scriptures and adhere to Fathers and herein consists the
the Pope had beene the Head and that all other Churches had held the Catholicke Faith of him in capite but I perceive the Romane Church is now presumed from the Ancients to have had this title Yet I thinke it will scarce be found what the Iesuite doth understand by the Roman Church For if by the Roman Church be comprehended all other Churches that are onely to be accounted Catholicke for the subordinate obeysance to Peter and other succeeding Bishops b See the Iesuits Reply pag. 49 then it is meere vanity to make an Head the Head of it selfe to make the Church all Head and no body If their particular Citie or Diocesse and Church therein then he cannot by the Roman Church understand the Roman Catholicke as hee confesseth in the last Section for saith he if the Roman Church be taken as it comprehendeth onely that Cleargie which maketh but one particular Bishopricke and Diocesse in tho Citie of Rome abstracting or as hee would say abstracted from that relation which it hath unto all other Christian Churches as the head unto the members then I say th●● no man ever by the Church of Rome did understand the Vniversall Church c Reply 〈◊〉 Secondly if it be not the Roman Catholicke then all the testimonies produced make nothing for the Romane Catholicke Church but for the Roman Church that is not Catholicke But though hee doth not fully expresse himselfe herein yet he doth that which may give us a guesse of his meaning seeing the streame of his proofes is to set forth the eminencie of their Romane Pastor And to make this good hee cites some Fathers to prove the Pope to be the head of the faithfull d See S. Augustine cited by the Iesuite pag. ●1 head of Pastorall Honour e See Prosper ibid. pag. 52. so that notwithstanding he pleades for the Church Roman yet that which he laboureth to advance is the See and Pope Roman that is that they fight for this they desire Rome they would have the head of all Churches and the Pope the Head of her and their sleighting of Councels many times declare in their opinion the Pope to bee the onely Beasts head that must bee adored for the Councell maketh not the Pope infallible but the Pope the Councell f Wadding Legat. Phil. 3. c. Sect. 2 Non tribuit Concilium infallibilitatem Pontifici sed à Pontifice habe● Concilium ut fit ratum ac firmum For Peter and those that follow him in the faith of Peter not for a Councell did Christ pray g Ibid. Pro P●tro in fide Petri succedentibus NON PRO CONCILIO oravit et ex●ravit Well then let us see how wee shall answere what hee brings for the Roman Churches exaltation And first of all it seemeth a needlesse thing for this Iesuite to bring proofes to manifest the same It being so undoubted a truth if we may beleive this Iesuite that the very first Broachers of Protestancie when they speake without Passion doe not deny the same h Reply pag. 30 The Broachers of Protestancie were CHRIST his Apostles who gave us wine and oyle out of the Vessels of his Truth when such botchers as you have laboured to erect a phantastick frame of your owne His first instance is Martin Bucer whom he produceth confissing ingenuously that with the Fathers of the auncient Church the Romane Church obtained the Primacie before the rest for as much as shee hath S. Peters chaire and her Bishops almost ever still have beene held for Peters successors i Reply pag ●● And what I pray you getteth your Church or Pope by this ingenuè confitemur Little I suppose to make Rom● caput infallibilitatis or the Pope the Pylot to guide thither For he saith that the Roman Church hath obtained the Primacie prae caeteris before other Churches not super not over all the rest and that the Bishops of Rome have beene held for Peters successors but not absolutely as an infallible truth but semper ferè almost ever not without doubts and jealousies as hee seemeth to expresse But if absolutely other Bishops nay all other Bishops have beene likewise so esteemed as is plaine by Chrysostomes exhortation to Basill Bishop of Caesarea who from the ground of Pasce oves exhorteth him to that duetie of Peters because it belongeth to his Successours as well as to himselfe k Chr●sost de Sacerdotio l. 2. ●●tre amas me ●●quit atque illo id con●i●ence adjungit Si amas me Pas●e ores meas Interrogat discipulum Praeceptor ●um ab eo non quo id ipse do●eatur ●erùm in NOS DOCEA● quan●ae sibi curae ●● gregis hujus praefectura ●● ●aulo cost Ve●●m hoc ille tum agebat ut Petrum caeter●s no● edoceret quantà bene●●●en●i● ac charitate erga suam ipse Ecclesiam afficeretur ut hac ratione NOS quoque ejusdem Ecclesi● studium curamque toto animo susciperemus 〈◊〉 item de causa Christus sanguinem effudit suum certe ut pecudes e●● acquitere● qua●●●● Petro ●um Petri successoribus gubernandas in manum 〈◊〉 whereunto agreeth Peter Lumbard lib. 4. Dist 18. We envie not the Bishop of the imperiall Cittie this Honour that in Procession hee shall goe last and in a Councell sit first If this will serve his turne let him put off his Crowne and assume his Myter and with an ingenuè confitemur wee will all acknowledge him the greatest Bishop first in place of all Peters Successours But for his Monarchie to make the whole Catholicke Church the Senate of Bishops and Preists a bare shadow this is too much to be allowed him Further whilst hee embraceth Peters faith wee will not deny him to have a part as the rest of the Catholicke bodie in Christs prayer Yet to thinke that Christ so prayed for Peter and his Successours Bishops of Rome that Hell might prevayle against all other his Successours the Bishops of the Catholicke Church this without extreame flatterie wee cannot graunt unto him So that Bucer hath not said much for this Head of Churches Yet he goeth not alone Luther himselfe saith the Iesuite doth confesse that the Bishop of Rome hath superiority over all other Bishops l Reply pag. ●● This is no great matter for it was as the Iesuite confesseth when he made use of his bests wits m Ib ● that is when he did and said or at least submitted all to the determination of this Apollyon but afterwards in his raving pange of madnes hee spared not like madde-men and fooles to speake the truth and to call a spade a spade the Pope Antichrist and the Roman state the Whore of Babylon So that any may see this maketh little to the Producers purpose for if this were a good Testimonie why doth he not produce our Acts of Parliament in Queene Maries dayes and all those Testes which in the time of blindnes from men not well