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A45828 A peaceable enquiry into that novel controversie about reordination With certain close, but candid animadversions upon an ingenious tract for the lawfulness of reordination; written by the learned and Reverend Mr. J. Humphrey. By R.I. I. R. 1661 (1661) Wing I10A; ESTC R219975 68,572 176

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ordination_n be_v say_v to_o be_v th●_n commit_v or_o entrust_v as_o 2_o tim._n 2.2_o of_o faithful_a person_n with_o the_o gospel_n 〈◊〉_d preach_v it_o if_o it_o convey_v no_o power_n much_o more_o i_o perceive_v by_o the_o rise_a o●●_n my_o own_o thought_n may_v be_v say_v to_o prove_v thi●_n part_n of_o the_o proposition_n that_o ordination_n i●●_n a_o investiture_n with_o power_n but_o methinks_v have_v make_v too_o low_a a_o halt_n at_o the_o threshold_n already_o and_o therefore_o i_o proceed_v to_o the_o proposition_n prop._n 6._o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o this_o work_n of_o ordination_n be_v commit_v to_o certain_a person_n ordain_v themselves_o to_o the_o same_o office_n at_o least_o and_o that_o the_o person_n in_o the_o question_n be_v ordain_v as_o you_o must_v give_v i_o leave_v to_o call_v it_o to_o the_o office_n of_o a_o presbyter_n by_o the_o presbytery_n or_o presbyter_n valid_o ordain_v themselves_o and_o that_o our_o question_n now_o be_v not_o about_o the_o ordainer_n own_o ordination_n to_o be_v presbyter_n or_o the_o magistrate_n allowance_n of_o such_o ordination_n at_o least_o a_o postfacte_n or_o the_o people_n consent_n to_o such_o minister_n prop._n 7._o let_v we_o suppose_v that_o the_o presbyter_n ordain_v be_v neither_o heretical_a schismatical_a nor_o scandalous_a though_o possible_o they_o ordain_v in_o heretical_a schismatical_a and_o scandalous_a time_n but_o be_v orthodox_n peaceable_a and_o pious_a as_o many_o of_o they_o may_v rational_o be_v judge_v to_o be_v or_o at_o least_o that_o they_o be_v not_o such_o as_o by_o their_o personal_a miscarriage_n to_o null_n their_o act_n and_o this_o we_o may_v well_o suppose_v because_o it_o be_v know_v that_o protestant_n and_o papist_n do_v general_o agree_v that_o ordination_n make_v by_o heretic_n and_o schismatic_n be_v not_o to_o nomine_fw-la null_n and_o void_a prop._n 8._o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o the_o former_a ordination_n receive_v be_v a_o ordination_n to_o the_o office_n in_o the_o catholic_n church_n and_o likewise_o that_o the_o latter_a ordination_n impose_v be_v to_o the_o same_o office_n in_o the_o catholic_n church_n and_o that_o the_o question_n be_v not_o now_o about_o any_o particular_a inferior_a separation_n to_o a_o particular_a work_n or_o exercise_v of_o a_o office_n prop._n 9_o it_o may_v be_v suppose_v that_o the_o person_n former_o ordain_v by_o the_o presbytery_n either_o know_v not_o in_o those_o cloudy_a time_n where_o to_o find_v a_o diocesan_n or_o know_v dare_v not_o use_v he_o for_o fear_n of_o the_o usurper_n or_o desire_v ordination_n from_o he_o he_o dare_v not_o grant_v it_o and_o so_o he_o look_v upon_o himself_o as_o lie_v under_o a_o necessity_n to_o receive_v presbyterial_a ordination_n prop._n 10._o it_o be_v suppose_v that_o the_o person_n ordain_v in_o this_o case_n of_o necessity_n be_v satisfy_v as_o to_o the_o validity_n of_o such_o ordination_n though_o not_o possible_o as_o to_o the_o