the sayings of Fathers or the iudgement of the auncient Church but wholy rely vpon the opinion of the Doctors of Trent and the Pope They preferre the olde Latin translation before the original text of the Bible and allow no sence of Scripture but that which the Romish church approoueth Page 693. he maketh dissension in Religion to be a note of Atheisme but if that be so then hath he branded his owne consorts with a marke of atheisme For hardly shal you finde one article of Religion wherein the wrangling Schoolemen doe not differ one from another Bellarmine quarrelleth as often with his owne fellowes almoste as with vs. About the diuine attributes and notions they are not yet resolued If they durst many would dispute against the Popes Monarchye dispensations indulgences and such like The Masse as yet is not perfectly setled Page 696. he signifyeth the erroneous opiniōs about the head-ship of the Church are enducements to atheisme which being graunted then are the Papistes in a fayre way to atheisme For vnder the title of Christ the sole and true head of the church they admit Antichrist and bring vs foorth a monster not onely with two heades but with as many heades as Popes There wanteth therfore nothing but some Hercules to cut of these Hydraes heades and to restore to Christ his right of headship Further in euerye vacation they want their visible head which as Kellison saith giueth adauantage to Atheistes and maketh them to make a mocke at Religion They haue also some times Popes without brayne or witte which is as great an inconuenience as the rest Finally if such as teach erroneously of the presence of Christes body blood in the sacrament vnderstād not the words of Christes institution ruine Christian Religion and call all other mysteries of the faith into question as Kellison Page 698. resolutelye and peremptorily auoucheth then will it plainely fall out that the Papistes are ruiners of Religion and haue no assurance of any point of faith by them defended For as I haue before touched and shall else-where more plentifully declare they erre moste grossely in their Doctrine concerning the real presence and haue shamefully mistaken and corrupted Christes institution of that holy mysterie Wee may therefore conclude first that as the true professors of the christian faith in the church of England are moste innocent and cleare of this shamelesse imputation of atheisme moste wrongfully charged vpon them by this surueying or rather surfeting Sycophant so the Papists our aduersaries and the principall actors among them are much to be suspected that vnder colour of Popery they couer a secret poyson of atheisme Secondly if eyther our aduersaries or any other would with indifferent eyes and vnpartial iudgement consider eyther the articles of our faith which we professe or the deformities and abuses of poperie which we refuse and detest discerning truth from the slaundrous imputations of such wicked sycophants as this that then they would neither mislike vs for our forsaking the Synagogue of Satan nor allowe the impious courses of our rayling aduersaries nor long sticke in the myrie and filthie puddle of popish errors and indure his tyrannicall gouernement ALmighty God which hast told vs that Antichrist shal be reuealed and slayne by the breath of the mouth of the Lord Iesus and destroyed with the brightnesse of his comming vouchsafe dayly more and more to reueale him to all the christian world and to discouer his trecherous and murdrous practises to all true Catholikes and to dispell the mistes of calumniations lyes and forgeryes which his agentes doe dayly endeuour to spread abroad against the professors of truth that so the truth appearing both such as are in error may be reformed and the weake confirmed in the sincere profession of the Gospell the Kingdome of Antichrist destroyed through our Lord and Sauiour Christ Iesus And let all those that wish the prosperity of Sion and the conuersion or confusion of Babel say alwaies Amen Amen An aduertisment to the Reader RIDICVLOVS it is gentle Reader for him that entreth into the Battle to complaine of blowes He that cōmeth to strike others must not thinke strāge if he be striken himselfe And yet I perceiue my aduersaryes blush not to complaine that heerein they haue receiued wrong They I say that come like wolues with open mouth to deuoure vs raile at M. LVTHER Maister CALVIN al the church of England as if it consisted of Heretikes Schismatikes loose liuers Atheistes nay of a sort of men worse then Turkes and Pagans finde fault with me if I tell them of their heresies Treasons Gun-powder practises Idolatryes infidelitie perjuries and other vilanies Whether they or we haue reason I referre my selfe to indifferent judges that shal read the Treatises of both the partyes HILARY in his Book against CONSTANTIVS thought it no fault to speake sharply if truely Si falsa dicimus saith he infamis sit sermo malidicus That is if we speake vntruth let our tarte speache seeme infamous Otherwise he challengeth the liberty of Apostles in censuring manifest faults Si vniuersa haec manifesta esse ostendimus saith he non sumus extra apostolicam libertatem modestiam Saint HIEROME apolog 2. in Ruffin thinketh it lawfull to barke for Christ because Dogges barke for their Maisters Canes latrant pro dominis suis tu non me vis latrare pro Christo Beside that when a man is accused of Heresie hee would not haue him patient If then we neither shew impatiency nor speake doggedlie but only report those crimes truely of which our aduersaryes are most guilty it is then our aduersaries euill conscience that pincheth rather then our tart stile that byteth To let Dogges baule without correcting were nothing else but to encourage them in their dogged snarling and barking and Bishop Iewell of reuerend memory and others that haue vsed this mildenesse haue greatly confirmed our aduersaryes malice This therfore vnderstand that it is not out of stomacke but out of iudgment that wee take this course of plaine dealing Phryx plagis emendatur The PHRYGIAN and such as are of his base humor are bettred with stripes rather then with gentle wordes There distemper is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 as THEOPHRASTVS saith in sympos apud Plutarchum That is a drunkennesse without wine But it may be corrected with a sad and tart answere Further necessity forced vs for the repelling of their malicious slaunders to shewe that they are to bee charged with those crimes justly which they impute to innocēt men most falsely And it may bee if truth make them not cease their barking yet shame will make them barke more softly This is the reason of our doing which if thou be indifferent I hope thou wilt allow If enimie I hope thou canst not justly condemne And if thou beest experimented in these courses thou canst not chuse but acknowledge the same to bee both profitable honest and necessary Profitable to represse the malice of such Curres as continually barke against truth honest for the defence of the pious memorie of the innocent and necessary for the ending of these brablements If the aduersaries giue vs no occation to lay open theit faultes we shall be content to burye them in silence If they persist in rayling and reuiling at honest men they must haue patience to heare our free answer Against Popes Cardinals Monkes Fryers Masse-priestes and their seditious Salt-peter followers wee cannot want either wordes or matter This is that which I thought good to aduertise thee and which I hope will satisfie all if they bee indifferent If not indifferent they haue no reason to take vppon them to bee our judges nor we to vnder-goe their censure nor you to mislike our stile as too sharp and vnfitting Laus Deo
vnlesse he will haue both a building without a foundation and a foundation beside the building Fourthly it is an absurd course to separate the power of the Church and the persons in whome the same consisteth from the Church Fiftly what more ridiculous then to call a forme of proceeding a principle of Christian Doctrine Sixtly all Articles of the faith may be called heads but it is meere foppery to thinke that Christian Religion hath as many foundations as seuerall Articles Finally it is moste absurde to beleeue that eyther the Pope or the Church of Rome doth interpret scriptures infallibly or hath the power to adde Articles not contained in Scriptures to the Christian faith If then Stapletons meaning be that all traditions not written and all interpretations of the Pope and his adherents and all the Popes determinations and decretales and the sayings of the fathers and Councels allowed by the Pope are the foundations of faith then doth he endeuor to build Babylon not Hierusalem fantasticall deuises and monstrous chimeraes and not the true faith the kingdome of Antichrist and not Christes church Nay if these were foundations of faith then would it follow First that the foundation of the Romish faith is not yet fully laide For as yet all their decretales and determinations are not fully published Secondly we should not know where to finde this faith these traditions and interpretations and opinions of Fathers all of them being not yet resolued Thirdly the Romish faith should be a meere humane deuise standing vpon humane fancies Finally it should be contrary to it selfe and to scriptures for such are the Romish traditions and interpretations and allegations of fathers Canus in his Booke de Locis Theologicis layeth downe ten groundes from whence all arguments in controuersies of Diuinitie in his opinion are deriued The first is holy Scripture The 2. traditiō The 3. is the authoritie of the Catholik church The 4. is the authority of general councels The 5. is the authoritie of the Church of Rome The 6. is the authoritie of the holy Fathers The 7. is the authoritie of Schoolemen Canonists The 8. is naturall reason The 9. is the authoritie of Philosophers and ciuill lawyers The last is the authoritie of humane histories But first it is no smal wrong to ioyne with holy scriptures not onely the writing of Fathers but also the writings of Schoolemen canonists and profane writers Secondly it is the ouerthrowe of faith to found the same vppon vncertaine and vnknowne traditions Thirdly it appeareth heereby that the faith of Papists for the moste part is an humane opinion being grounded vpon men nay vpon humane reason Finally his groundes are not onely changeable for the moste part but also contrarie one to another That is prooued not onely by the mutability of the decrees of councels Doctrine of councels Schoole-diuines Canonists and prophane authors but also by traditions themselues of which diuers are abrogated and ceased This may be demonstrated by traditions by testimonies of Fathers actes of Councels the doctrine of Thomistes and Scotistes Canonists ciuill Lawyers and profane writers For not onely profane writers haue shewed themselues ignorant of matters of faith but both Schoolemen and fathers haue held contrarie opinions as shall be prooued when neede is by diuers particulars Bellarmine in his Preface in lib. de pont Rom. is not ashamed to apply these words of the Prophet Isay Behold I will put a Stone in the foundation of Sion vnto the pope There also hee auoucheth the Sea of Rome to bee the foundation of the Faith Likewise in the end of his preface de verbo dei he seemeth to holde that the sence of Scriptures is to be fetched from the Popes See and sencelesse decretales Lastly the same man doth as confidently alleadge the Pope decretales as Saint Paules Epistles Gelasius in the Chapter Sancta dist 15. ordeineth that the Histories of Martyrs and their sufferings are to bee receiued And commonly the Romish Church doth prooue her traditions partly out of such legends and partly out of their missals porteses and other rituall Bookes Kellison therefore when he looketh vpon the ruinous foundations of the Romish faith hath little reason to talke against the foundations of our Christian faith For First we all agree that the writings of the Prophets and Apostles are the principles and foundations of our faith and thus both Scriptures and Fathers doe teach vs. But the Papists as may appeare by that which I haue alleadged doe one differ from another Canus doth not once mention the Pope among his theologicall places which to Stapleton and Bellarmine is the principall foūdation of the worke Contrarywise Stapleton leaueth Scriptures out of his reckoning of principles of faith which Canus confesseth to be a moste solide foundation of faith Canus againe numbreth diuers foundations and places theologicall which others doe not once mention Secondly albeit we doe not build our faith principallye eyther vpon the actes of councels or testimonies of Fathers further then they build their Doctrine vpon holy Scriptures yet in the interpretatiō of Scriptures wee doe not neglect the authoritie of councels and Fathers But the Papists albeit they seeme to found their faith vpon the authoritie of councels and Fathers yet regard them not one straw if it be the popes pleasure to determine contrarie vnto them Thirdly our faith is built vpon the rocke Christ Iesus but the faith of the Romanists is built vppon the straw and stubble of popish traditions determinations and as they say vpon the Pope who to them is the supreme iudge and pole-starre of faith shining out of his papall Chaire Fourthly our faith is the Christian faith being built onely vpon the word of God Theirs is a decretaline an humane faith being built vpon the Popes decretales and humane inuentions Fiftly our groundes are immoouable and agree well one with an other But their groundes are mutable and contrary one to another Sixtly they cannot deny our groundes vnlesse they will blaspheme against holy Scriptures But vpon their owne groundes they are not yet well agreed We doe generally refuse them and antiquity was ignorant of them Seuenthly our groundes are safe and sure But he that foloweth the Pope or beleeueth all that is written in the Breuiaryes and Missals cannot assure him felfe that he is in the right Finally it is a thing most ridiculous to beleeue that whatsoeuer an vnlearned Pope or a man voyd of religion determineth in matters of fayth is to be holden as a matter and firme Article of fayth For as well may a blind man iudge of colours as a blind and irreligious Pope of matters of religion But we are assured that the Prophets and Apostles haue truly declared vnto vs the whole counsaile of God Open your eyes therfore deere Christians and suffer not your selues to be abused by the impostures of Masse-priestes You see they are not resolued in the foundations of fayth And doe you
to deliuer publikely their mysteries but in silēce to cōteine thē in secret Non oportere saith he omnia ipsorum mysteria effari sed in abscondito continere per silentium Tertullian also saith they hide their mysteries in secret ne margaritam porcis sanctum canibus iactarent that is least they should cast Pearles to swine and holy things to Dogges So likewise the Papists pronounce their Canon in secret and will not that lay men shal dispute of matters of faith and thinke it is not fit that holy Scriptures in vulgar tongues should be read eyther publikely or of all Christians without restreint Some also adde the same reasons which Heretickes abusing Christes wordes doe bring viz. least pearles should bee giuen to Swine and holy thinges to Dogges 9. Clement of Alexandria Lib. 7. Strom. telleth vs that Heretickes being conuinced doe oftentimes deny their Doctrine So likewise Papists openly refuse to professe that the pope hath power to commaund the Subiects to cut their Kinges throates and will not graunt that images are to bee worshiped with diuine worship Yet to their followers in secret they doubt not to propound these pointes without scruple of conscience 10. Heretickes denying their faith to God seldome keepe faith to men as the example of the Pricillianists doth plainely declare Herein therfore the papists doe plainely shew whome they follow teaching that faith is not to be kept with Heretickes and dispensing with oathes moste easily The Rhemists in their annotations vpon the 23. of the Actes doe expressely teach their followers to breake their oathes and to runne into wilfull periurie 11. The liues of Hereticks are verie leud loose libera sunt illis omnia et soluta saith Tertulliā de praescr Theodoret lib. 1. haeret fab in praefat saith their obscenity is such that the Stage Players would be ashamed to speake or heare it And what he saith not we may imagine by the popes of Rome whose abhominable beastlinesse modest eares refuse to heare Publikelye they maintaine Stewes and nothing among Masse-priestes and Fryars is more common thē vnnatural lust The Pope and his lawes they feare of Scriptures they speake vnreuerently God they feare not 12 They farre excell all men in pride and will not haue their dooings or doctrine◠examined Heerein they resemble Mahomet who would not haue any question made of his law But the pope excelleth both Mahometans and all other Hereticks He will bee honored as God If he should drawe innumerable soules with him to hell yet will hee not be taxed for it as appeareth by the Chapt. Si papa dist 40. His determinations as his folowers hold are in fallible Finally by our aduersaryes discourse and by their owne confession they may also plainely be conuinced to be Hereticks For first it is the propertie of Heretickes saith he Lib. 2. cap. 1. To go out of the Church to depart from the faith He might also haue added teaching Doctrines of Deuils and forbidding to marry and commaunding to abstaine from certaine meates and then the matter would haue beene very cleare For moste wickedlye they disgrace marriage in the Chap. proposuisti dist 82. As if married folkes liued after the flesh could not please God and forbid their priestes Fryers and irreligious orders to marrie They doe also restreine their Monkes frō eating flesh forbid lay-men to eate it vpon certaine daies But albeit he hath concealed these wordes from vs yet hath he said sufficient For teaching a new faith neuer knowne to the Apostles nor taught by them the Papists are clearely gon from the faith and hauing receiued a newe head of their Church and new foundations of their Doctrine and strange formes of sacraments they are closelye departed out of the Catholike church imbrace the particuler faith of the Pope Neither can this their departing be denyed or concealed for as Arius by denying of Christes diuinitie and equalitie with the Father and Nestorius for making two persons of Christ and other Heretickes for teaching singular pointes of Doctrine contrarie to the doctrine of the Apostles were said to depart out of the Church and so to abandon the societie of the faithfull although they might pretend succession and still claymed the title of the Church and of Catholikes so the papists if they teach any new Article of faith not taught by the Apostles and auncient Church they are departed out of the Apostolike and Catholike church Secondly he saith that later standing and noueltie is a marke of Hereticks And this hee goeth about to proue by Scriptures and Fathers But he might well haue spared his labour for wee doe not deny it Nay vpon this ground we professe that wee are able manifestly to demonstrate the Papists to be Heretickes For such a societie as the Pope and his adherents are was neuer séene for a long time after the Apostles If Kellison say contrarie let him leaue his pedātery shew his triple-crowned Pope with two swords treading vpon Princes neckes and cutting their throates and ruling the world his purple Cardinals his shauen Masse-priestes his Monckes Nonnes and Fryars and their retinue to haue continued since the Apostles times Furthermore the doctrine of the carnal eating of Christes flesh of transubstantiation of the subsistence of accidents in the eucharist without their substāces of the communion vnder one kind of the popes vniuersal headship of purgatorie of indulgences and other pointes decreed in late conuenticles would be shewed and prooued If Kellison can deriue these Doctrines from the Apostles his holy Father will giue him his blessing if not by his owne confession his owne consortes are to be anathematized as Heretikes and the Pope for the head of them In his third Chapt. of his second booke he saith that particular names takē frō Sect-maisters are notes of Heretickes which is also a third argumēt to prooue him his consorts Hereticks being al called of their grād sect maister the Pope papists some of Benedict being termed Benedictines others of Francis and Dominicke Franciscans and Dominicans and of Ignatius Ignatians and some of Thomas and Scotus Thomistes and Scotistes Nay leauing the common name of Christians and catholikes they will be called Catholike Romans Against them therfore the word◠of Hierome contr Lucifer may aptly be turned out of which wee may conclude that they are not the Church of Christ but the Synagogue of Antichrist Neither doth Iustine speake any thing against the Valentinians and Marcionistes or Cyprian against the Nouatians concerning the imposition of their names but the same may be applyed against the Papists In his fourth chapter he maketh it a propertie of Heretickes to renew old Heresies Which although it be not incident to all Heretickes yet it is a verie eminent qualitie in the papists For from the Simonians they haue borowed their practise of buying and selling ecclesiasticall matters and the vse of Concubines from the Carpocratians they haue taken the worship of images from the Collyridians the
pretended yet that is nothing for the aduantage of our triple crowned Popes that are so vnlike to Peter and kil Christes sheep as he fed them Nay the auncient Bishops of Rome neither gaue lawes to the whole church nor ordained bishops in all quarters nor receiued appeales out of al the world nor reserued certaine cases to themselues nor practised the rest of the moderne Popes authoritie But saith K. where a head wanteth there euerie man may preach and embrace what Religion he will As if generall and prouinciall councels and Bishops in their Diocesses Godly Princes in their Kingdomes were not able to remedy this disorder Other meanes certes there was not in the primitiue Church and he that looketh that Popes should redresse Atheisme and other abuses is himselfe much abused In the last Chapter hee saith that denying the reall presence taught by the Popish Synagogue we ruine Christian Religion and call all other mysteries of faith in question But his proposition is moste false and absurd For not those which deny the Cyclopicall eating of Christes flesh and the carnall presence thereof vnder the accidents of bread and wine but such rather as hold that Christes flesh and blood is receiued of reprobats persons nay Hogges and Dogges and is swallowed downe into the belly and deny thinges felt and seene doe bring a slaunder vpon Religion and call all holy mysteries not onely into question but into contempt also Auerroes for this grosse opinion onely affirmed that the Religion of Christians was of all other most ridiculous For what can bee deuised more ridiculous then to make a God and to eate him vp presently this doctrine of Papists hath beene a great stumbling blocke both to Gentiles â—nd Christians and is so improbable and contrarie to Christes institution the expositions of Fathers and common reason as nothing more Kellison I confesse braggeth that he will bring as plaine proofes for the reall presence as are brought in scriptures either for the holy Trinitie or Christes incarnation Or else he promiseth he will yeelde the bucklers Which if hée would haue performed then had he long ere this lost and forsaken the field For he bringeth onely two places and neither of them to his purpose as I haue at large declared in my Book de missa against Bellarmine where all the cauillations of our aduersaries are particularlye discussed and so stand for any thing either this doughty Doctor of Doway or Bellarmine can say against vs. Furthermore the comparison of the popish reall presence and the Doctrine thereof compared with the great mysteries of the holy Trinitie and Christes incarnation declareth him to bee an Atheist that beleeueth such fundamentall pointes of Religion no more then the popish absurd Doctrine of the carnal and canibal like eating of Christes flesh and drinking of his blood and receiuing them with our mouth into our bellyes Diuers other absurdities hee committeth also in this Chapter page 698. speaking of popish sacrifices by sacrifice saith he wee consecrate to his seruice the liues and substance of brute beastes So it appeareth if they sacrifice Christ in the Masse that they kill him and compare him to brute Beastes page 710. hee falsifyeth Saint Augustines wordes in his tract vpon S. Iohns Gospell page 713. hee confoundeth real sacramentall eating There also hee saith that Christ would not say he meant a figuratiue and spirituall eating but moste falsely For Christ saith that the flesh profiteth nothing And both Origen and Austen do expound these wordes of eating Christes flesh spirituallye and figuratiuelie Lastly to prooue the real presence hee alleadgeth page 728. a testimonie out of S. Andrewes legend But neither can he prooue his carnall reall presence nor iustifie his assertion where hee maketh them Atheistes and ruiners of Christian religion that deny this absurd scandalous and blasphemous Doctrine Wherfore as by lawful tryall we haue acquited our selues our doctrine of all suspition of Atheisme so wee doubt not but to lay the same most iustly vpon the Pope his adherents vpoÌ„ their impious wicked doctrine * Outward professors of Popery inward Atheistes Bernard in serm 1. in Conuers Pauli beganne to complaine long since both of the iniquitye of Popes and of the dissolutenesse of Preest and People Egressa est iniquitas à senioribus iudicibus vicarijs tuis saith he qui videntur regere populum tuum Non est iam dicere vt populus sic sacerdos quod nec sit populus vt sacerdos Petrarch in his Sonnets calleth Rome false and trayterous Babylon and the mother of errors and chargeth her with seruing Venus and Bacchus rather then the God of heauen In his Epistles without name speaking of the Popes Court hee saith it is voide of all goodnesse and that there is neither libertie nor rest nor joy nor hope nor faith nor charitye but contrariwise greate losse and casting away of mens soules Omne ibi bonum perditur sed primum omnium libertas mox ex ordine quies gaudium spes fides Charitas animae iacturae ingentes Wernerus in fascic temporum in Martino 2. Adriano 3. Stephano exclaimeth as if holy men were perished from the earth and truth diminished among the Sonnes of men and as if that were a moste wicked time ô tempus pessimum saith he in quo defecit sanctus deminutae sunt veritates à filijs hominum Breidenbachus in historia peregrinat sua reporteth that in his time the law was departed from priestes justice from Princes counsaile from the Elders faith from the people loue from parents reuerence from Subjects charitie from Praelates Religion from Monkes honesty from young men discipline from the Clergie His wordes are these Recessit lex à sacerdotibus à principibus iustitia consilium à senioribus à populo fides amor à parentibus à subditis reuerentia charitas à praelatis religio à monachis à iunenibus honestas à clericis disciplina In veritate comperi saith Walterus Mapes quod sceleri cleri studet vniuersitas liuor regnat veritas datur funeri haeredes luciferi sunt praelati That is of a truth I finde that the whole Romish Clergie dooth study vilany Enuie reigneth and truth is buryed Such Clergiemen are the heyres of Lucifer And againe non est qui faciat bona istorum quorum conscientia speluncae est latronum There is none of these that dooth good their conscience is like a denne of theeues Mathew Paris in Henr. 3. saith that in those times the sparks of faith began to grow cold Temporibus illis ingruentibus igniculus fidei coepit nimis refrigescere Petrus de Alliaco in lib. de reformat eccles noteth the luxuriousnes auarice idlenesse blasphemies magicke artes and superstitions and that both of Princes and people of his time Adrian the 6. in his instructions to his legat Cheregatus confesseth ingeniously the corruptions of the church of Rome and Romanistes Omnes nos saith he declinauimus
we bring all ReligioÌ„ into contempt But how prooueth hee that wee contemne the Churches authoritie First he sayth it is a maxime and almoste an article of fayth among vs that the true Church which once was hath erred grossely and in no lesse matters then fayth justification merit free-will workes satisfaction Purgatory prayer to Sayntes worship of Images number vertue of Sacraments sacrifice and such like But if hee meane the whole Catholique Church this is neither article nor maxime nor opinion of ours that the whole Church hath erred grossely If he meane the Pope and his adherents and parasites why should not they erre as well as the Churches of Antioch Alexandria Hierusalem and Constantinople That they haue indeed erred we haue already prooued and offer our selues alwayes ready to prooue and it is most apparant for that their Doctrine is not only diuers but also contrary to the Doctrine of the Prophets and Apostles and namely in the points aboue specified Next hee sayth Luther cared not for a thousand Churches and Caluin Beza and others despised all the Councels and ancient Fathers But neyther the contempt of the Synagogue of Rome nor the reiection of diuers Conuenticles assembled by Popes nor the refusall of diuers counterfet Bookes alledged vnder the name of Fathers or of some Fathers singuler opinions doth argue anye contempt of the true Church or of lawfull councelles or of the authenticall writinges and common Doctrines of Fathers Further I would haue thought that reason might haue taught him talking so long of Religion that priuate mens sayinges and opinions should not so often haue beene imputed generally to vs or to the whole Church To prooue that contempt of the Churches authoritie bringeth Religion into contempt hee alleadgeth that wee cannot knowe which is Scripture which not but by the voice of the Church But first this is nothing to vs which doe much esteeme the authoritie of the Apostolike and Catholike Church We say also that euerie priuate man is to reuerence the iudgement of the true Church But what is this to the Romish synagogue that is not the true church againe what is this to the Pope that is an oppressor of the church and an enemie of Christian Religion if Kellison wil contend that the sentence of the Pope which neither vnderstandeth nor percase can reade Scriptures in the originall tongues must needes be followed in deciding the controuersies about Canonical scriptures his owne schollers wil laugh at him that maketh a betilheaded fellow iudge in matters of religion a blinde man iudge of colours If he refer men to the particular church of Rome that now is it will bee said that she cannot bee iudge and partye and that the auncient Church is much to bée preferred before her Saint Augustine wee confesse among manye other reasons was enduced also to beleeue by the churches authoritie So likewise are many more then he But K. remooueth all other reasons and motiues in matter of discerning scriptures and maketh his moderne Church a necessarie cause and almost sole motife of faith as if none were to beleeue eyther scriptures or any other Article of faith vnlesse hee bee resolued by the Pope and the moderne Church of Rome Blasphemously also hee affirmeth that the Romaine Church being contemned wee can no more assure a man of Scripture then of a Robin-hoodes tale But to vse these comparisons is blasphemye To make so much of nothing and to stand so much vpon a blinde Pope and to preferre the Romaine moderne Church before the auncient and all other moderne churches is foolery In the fourth Chapter he beareth his Reader in hand that wee reject some bookes of Canonicall Scripture and for proofe saith that Luther reiected the Booke of Iob Ecclesiastes and all the Gospels saue that of Iohn and that we reiect the Bookes of Iudith Tobia Ecclesiasticus Wisdome and the Machabees But these latter Bookes hee shall neuer prooue to be canonicall vnlesse wée take the Canon largelye as Saint Augustine sometimes seemeth to doe S. Hierome in prol galeato Athanasius in Synops Gregorius Nazianzenus in carminibus Epiphanius in lib. de pond mensur and the moste and best Fathers esteeme of them no otherwise then we doe The calumniation concerning Luther wee haue answered already But saith K. they will needes receiue Scripture at the Roman Churches hand And of this hee would inferre that as well we ought to follow that Church in the number of bookes as in receiuing canonicall Scripture vpon that Churches warrant This sâ—ith hee but hee taketh that for graunted that no man yeeldeth him For wee take the Scriptures as the Church of Rome her selfe did from the Prophets and Apostles We doe also assure our selues that the iudgement of the Apostolike Church is farre to be preferred before the iudgement of the Apostaticall moderne Romish Church Lastlye wee answere to his argument that wee haue diuers arguments to assure vs of the authoritie truth and number of canonicall bookes of Scriptures beside the testimony of any one particular Church as for example the testimony of Scripture it selfe the likenesse Maiestie antiquitie truth stile of Scripture and such like In the fift chapter he endeuoreth to prooue that our dissensions in Religion doe open a gappe to contempt of Religion And thereupon talketh his pleasure of Caluinistes and Lutherans Puritanes Protestants soft and rigid Lutherians Zuinglians Bezites Anabaptistes Libertines Brownistes Martinistes family of loue and damned crew But first the damned crew is by vs damned In this late conspiracie of Papists Edward Baynham that is knowne to bee of the damned crewe was choson for a fit maÌ„ to goe as nuntio from this damned crew to the Pope Anabaptistes Libertines the family of loue are more among the Papists then among vs. We say to them anathema maranatha The Brownistes and Martinistes wee generally condemne The rest are the names of slaunder deuised by Papistes To answere his obiection therefore wee say that the Churches of Germanye France and other countries doe well agree and priuate men doe submitte themselues to the determination of a free generall councell and in the meane while to their nationall Churches The groundes of his sixt chapter are laide vpon the Popes head-ship For because wee want a visible head hee supposeth wee giue great aduantage to Atheistes But as the Popes headship is a matter rather fancied then prooued out of Scriptures or Fathers so what so euer is thereupon built the same is founded vpon fancie and not worth a head of Garlike That Saint Peter did rule both the Apostles and all the church as Christes vicar generall and head of the Church it cannot bee prooued All the Apostles were called alike and sent to teach and administer the Sacraments alike They had also the keyes of the Church giuen to them by one ioynt commission and Paul professeth that the principall of the Apostles gaue vnto him nothing But had Peter had any such monarchy as is