yet in page 5. he confesseth That Christ is in the Saints by his Spirit and that Christ was certainly with Paul as to his Spirit where he said The Lord stood by me 2 Tim. 4. 17. And this is the very thing the Quakers plead for viz. Christ's Spiritual Presence with his Saints See how the Man is confounded after he has gone about to limit the Man Christ Iesus wholely in Body Soul and Spirit to a remote Place from his Saints or Church here on Earth yet is made to confess to this Truth viz. That Christ is in his Saints by his Spirit If he sayes He means only as God who is immense and as to his Presence every where This were to tell us He does not mean any thing of the Man Christ is in his Saints on Earth when he confesseth that by his Spirit he is in the Saints and yet his Spirit is an Essential Part of the Man Christ let him reconcile himself herein if he can instead of any further Reviling and Abusing the Quakers as Ungodly Seducers disowning Iesus of Nazareth to be the Messiah and denying him to be a real and true Man both which are abominable Slanders seeing they own him to be both God and Man in Union inseparable the Father and Son one the Father in the Son and the Son in the Father he that seeth the Son seeth the Father also We are not only accused with denying where the Man Christ Iesus is ascended into Heaven but also what he is to wit the Messiah if a true real Man and yet he faith They may grant a Manhood and yet deny the Flesh in which he was to be in Heaven See how uncertain and doubtful this Man is in his Charge that they may deny his Manhood and yet grant a Manhood Whereas we have alway believed and owned the Man Christ Jesus according to the plain History of him in holy Scripture as well as in the Mystery as namely That he was miraculously conceived by the Holy Ghost overshadowing the Virgin Mary that he lived an innocent and sinless Life preacht powerfully wrought Miracles was Crucified and put to Death as concerning the Flesh Buried and Rose again the third day according to the Scriptures and was seen of his Disciples and many Brethren after he arose see 1 Cor. 15. 3 4 5 6. and that the same Body that was put to Death was raised by the Power of God And this was not only an Appearance or Spectrum in the Shape of a man as W. H. saith some have held nor yet a meer phantastical Body or Apparition but a real Body really seen both before and after his Resurrection and at his Ascension also while he blessed them he was parted from them and carried up into Heaven Luk. 24. 50 51. And while they beheld he was taken up and a Cloud received him out of their Sight Acts 1. 9 10. So we confess the same Man Christ not only to be still in being but also Glorified his Body to be a glorious heavenly and spiritual Body And as to his being Man We have one Mediator between God and Men even the Man Christ Jesus 1 Tim. 2. 5. And God will judge the World in Righteousness by that Man whom he hath ordained whom he hath raised from the Dead Acts 17. 31. Again This Man after he had offered up one Sacrifice for Sins forever sate down on the Right Hand of God Hebrews 10. 12 And since by man came Death by Man also came the Resurrection of the Dead the first man is of the Earth earthly the second Man is the Lord from Heaven So that this Man Christ did neither vanish nor perish in anything essential to him either as to his Soul Spirit or Body ‖ As for W. H's taking advantage upon a private Discourse with his Neighbour W. B. whether he truly states it or not is questionable and thence to notifie him and the Quakers in print shews a peevish ereeping insinuating spirit in him that seeks occasions against his neighbours to quarrel which is not the way to convince or gain upon their Conscience to be sure of under any Mistake but is highly exalted and glorified being made higher then the Heavens Heb. 7. 26. being sate down on the right Hand of the Majesty on high Heb. 1. 3. who is set on the right Hand of the Throne of the Majesty in the Heavens Heb. 7. 1. And Jesus said Ye shall see the Son of Man sitting on the right Hand of the Power that is the Power of God and coming in the Clouds of Heaven Mark 14. 62. Luke 22. 69. But now the Difference between us and our Adversary W. Haworth lies here if he still shall argue that because this glorious and Heavenly Man Jesus Chrâ—st is thus exalted at the Right Hand of the Power and Majesty of God on high that therefore he is not here on Earth or in his Saints either as to his Soul or Spirit We cannot own such a Limitation of Christ's or God's Right Hand of Power thus to look on them as so far remote and separate from us as this Man doth wherein he seems somewhat to resemble that carnal Opinion of those called Anthropomorphites who mistaking that Saying Let us make Man in our own Image held that God was like unto Man in Form and Shape and the like doth Muggleton and his Disciples now that God is of the stature and Bigness of a Man and the Man Christ at his Right Hand as such And thus carnally and blasphemously have some Men gone about to limit the Infinite and Omnipotent God looking only literally upon him and his Right Hand of Power and then how were his People of old saved or upheld by his right Hand Surely God's Right Hand is where he is not confined or limited from his Saints who are sustained and preserved thereby It 's true that Jesus Christ said I go to prepare a Place for you John 14. 2 3 I am no more in the World but these are in the World I come to thee holy Father John 17. Now this saith W. H. must needs be as to his Manhood for the Father and he were one as to his Godhead in Essence and so he was with the Father from Eternity John 1. 1. Prov. 8. 22. 30. And who denyes this did we ever deny that the Man Christ the Son of God went unto the Father who is in Heaven when he ascended but doth it then follow that Jesus Christ is so contained and limited there in a remote Place from his Church as not to be here on Earth in his Saints but only in such Places where we read of Jesus Christ by Name appearing that either they saw him the Heavens being opened or it was in Extasie as W. Haworth saith page 4. If his being ascended into Heaven hinders him from being on Earth why not his ascending far above all Heavens from being in Heaven but in the very same Place before quoted John
A TESTIMONY For the MAN Christ Jesus REPELLING The POYSON FALLACY of William Haworth's pretended Antidote against the Quakers From the People of QUAKERS at HERTFORD Jer. 23. 32. And they cause my People to Err by their Lyes and by their Lightness Printed in the Year 1676. A TESTIMONY For the Man Christ Jesus c. UPon perusal of William Haworth's late Pamphlet we find that it consists chiefly of Matter of Charge aggravated by reviling and of Answers to some Objections of his own framing to render the Quakers infamous and odious In both which we shall very briefly and perspicuously manifest his gross Abuse and Fallacy His Title is An Antidote against that Poysonous and Fundamental Error of the Quakers This makes a huge Bluster but what 's that Poysonous and fundamental Error he charges the Quakers with It is no less then Denying the same Numerical True Real Manhood of Jesus Christ in Heaven a place remote from the earth A sad Charge that makes an hideous Out-cry But the Quakers utterly deny the Matter charged not doubting but their Credit will go as far at least as Will Haworth's and farther then his Reviling to Aggravate in these words viz. That we should live to see the Day wherein so many Thousands pretending Christianity in this Nation should be so brazen-foreheaded as to disown Jesus of Nazareth to be the Messiah yet so it is O Tempora O Mores and farther adds These Damnable Delusions The man Christ is struck at by ungodly Seducers c. Epistle That the Quakers may not deceive you by their Juggles p. 3. Jesuitical Insinuations p. 20. How can the Quakers be Christians p. 15. Had Will. Haworth seriously considered that no Revilers shall inherit the Kingdom of God I Cor. 6. 10. and that all Lyars must have their Portion in the Lake he would have forborn this kind of treating us Here is a two fold Charge first denying the same true and real Manhood of Jesus Christ in Heaven c. 2dly Disowning Jesus of Nazareth to be the Messiah with his aggravating Exclamations against the Quakers both which are not only utterly denyed by the Quakers but also the said W. Haworth therein testified against as a disingenuous Person not so much as citing the Quakers words at the Dispute he mentions but from his own prejudiced Conceptions writes against us that wherein he is a manifest Slanderer and Forger and so led by a Lying Spirit For what 's his Proof or Quotation for such his Charge of denying the real Manhood of Jesus Christ or him to be the Messiah To make out this he tells his Much Honoured Friend Sr. John Hartop in these plain words viz. Sr. That which gave the Occasion of my Thoughts pitching upon this subject matter viz. Christ's Manhood in Heaven was that Dispute between Mr. Hicks and Mr. Penn at London concerning the same I being there present am satisfied by the Quakers fallacious Mannagement of that Discourse that they Deny the same Numerical True and Real Manhood of Christ in Heaven c. See now his pretended Proof of his great Charge is his own meer Opinion from that Dispute but whether herein he has not apparently acted the part of a Forger let all that impartially read the Account ‖ Which was published by Will. Mead Io. Osgood will Shewen Ed. Man Sa. Newton Ja. Claypool Will Welch who with many hundreds more can testifie to the Truth thereof and against Will Haworth's gross Abuse and Fallacy of that said Dispute between the Quakers and Baptists at Barbican judge See p. 26 of the Account where W. Penn speaks in the Name or Person of the Quakers thus viz. We do believe the Man Christ Jesus to be glorified in Heaven We do believe that holy Manhood to be in Heavenly Glory c. See now how far the Quakers are from denying the true real Manhood of Christ in Heaven or disowning Jesus of Nazareth to be the Messiah And therefore how guilty this Priest is of Forgery and manifest Slander herein The matter which he saith we deny being so openly by us confest at the same Dispute aforesaid only his artificial Term Numerical and his Addition of A PLACE REMOTE FROM THE EARTH were not the Terms of the Question at that Dispute he hath framed these since neither can we yet understand what Weight or Plainness his Logical Term Numerical addeth to the same True and real Manhood of Christ which we so plainly confessing We do believe the Man Christ Iesus to be glorified in Heaven was by judicious Hearers judged a sufficient Answer to the Question as then stated And as to his Addition of Place remote from the Earth we further add and confess that the same MAN Christ Jesus that suffered and was put to Death in the Flesh and raised from the Dead by the mighty Power of God ascended into Heaven God's Dwelling place ascended both as to a Change of Place State of Glory he is highly exalted in Power and Authority Angels Authorities and Powers being made subject unto him 1 et 3. 22. Being the Head of his Body the Church the Beginning the first born from the dead that in all things he might have the Preeminence Col. 1. 17. The God of our Father raised up Jesus whom ye slew and hanged on a Tree him hath God exalted with his right Hand to be a Prince and a S. A. VIOUR to give Repentance to Israel and Forgiveness of Sins Acts 5 30 31. So that the Power and Authority wherein he is exalted is both to be a Prince and a Saviour and to give Gifts and to be Head of his Body the Church in all Things to have the Preeminence and therefore this Exaltation and Power was not that he might remain in a Place remote and separate from his Body the Church which he is the Head of for that were to keep the Body and Head assunder so far remote from each other and then how should it be a Living Body or united to him page 10. whereas the Son of God had Power not only to ascend far above all Heavens but also to descend at his Pleasure to come again as he promised to be with his Disciples alway to the End having all Power in Heaven and in Earth given to him Mat. 28. John 14. Yet that Jesus Christ is now a true real Man in the Heavens is not deayed by the Quakers as this Opposer most falsly accuseth them page 2 but his Conclusion that therefore Jesus Christ is not here on Earth as he is Man but as to his Manhood only in Heaven a Place remote from us page 2 3. whilest he thus defines his Manhood viz. a Consisting of Soul and Body and that this Soul is in Heaven which he confesseth to be his Spirit from Luke 23. 46. By this Man's Limitation Jesus Christ not only as to his bodily Presence but also as to his Spiritual is not here on Earth in his Church And
14. 2 3. the same Man Christ that said I go to prepare a Place for you said also If I go and prepare a Place for you I will come again and receive you unto my self that where I am there ye may be also verse 18. I will not leave you comfortless I will come to you and ver 19. Yet a little while and the World seeth me no more but ye see me because I live ye shall live also And verâ—e 20. At that Day ye shall know that I am in my Father and ye in me I in you And was not this the Man Christ Jesus that spake these things who also said No Man hath ascended up to Heaven but he which came down from Heaven even the Son of Man which is in Heaven John 3. 13. Now if it be said that the Son of man was spiritually in Heaven when on Earth then may it not as well be said that the Son of man is spiritually on Earth in his Saints when in Heaven seeing all Power in Heaven and in Earth is given to the Son And the Father hath given him Power over all Flesh that he should give Eternal Life to as many as the Father hath given him John 17. 2. He is ascended far above all Heavens that he might fill all things Ephes 4. 10. And what Place went he to prepare for his but such a Place in and with himself as that where he is there they might be also John 14. 3. where the Saints were made to sit together in the Heavenly Places in Christ Jesus And our Conversation is in Heaven from whence also we look for a Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ Phil. 3. 20. And of his coming again the Apostles had signal Evidences who BY HIM wrought Miracles even by HIM whom the Men of Israel delivered up and denyed in the Presence of Pilate By this HOLY ONE this Prince of Life whom God raised from the dead were the Lame healed Acts 3. 11 16. chap. 4 10 By the Name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth whom ye crucified whom God raised from the dead even by HIM doth this man stand before you whole And ver 30. That Signs and Wonders may be done by the Name of thy holy Child Jesus whom thou hast anointed Ver 17. This Iesus hath God raised up whereof we are all Witnesses Acts 2. 32. Therefore being by the Right Hand of God exalted and having received of the Father the Promise of the holy Ghost he hath shed forth this which ye now see and hear ver 33. And Acts 5. 32. Him hath God exalted with his Right Hand to be a Prince and a Saviour for to give Repentance to Israel and Forgiveness of Sins God having raised up his Son Jesus SENT HIM to bless you in turning away every one of you from his Iniquities Acts 3. 26. Now having thus plainly confessed to the Resurrection Exaltation Work of the same Iesus of Nazareth that was crucified let us briefly take Notice of what W. H. saith about Stephen and Paul's seeing of Jesus Christ and of the Properties of his Manhood After he hath told us they saw him with their CARNAL EYES when he was taken up into Heaven on Acts 1. 11. he cites Acts 7. 56. Behold I see the Heavens opened and saith Stephen's fight was strengthned after a wonderful miraculous Way so that he pierced to the very Heavenly Glory with his Eye this is more then what was Natural no Doubt for the other that stood by saw nothing but he saw as much of the Heavenly Glory as he could bear page 4. and in page 6. concerning the Glorious Body of Christ he saith It is NOW since the Ascension the Object of Sense it hath been seen with the Bodily Eye and may be seen Stephen its Evident saw the Body of Christ and Paal saw him with his BODILY EYE * Doth the Scripture say so for that cited doth not 1 Cor. 15. 8. last of all I saw him That Stephen saw the Heavens opened and Jesus standing at the right hand of God is true but that he saw him then with his carnal or bodily Eyes when this was more then what was Natural doth not appear to be sound or congruous Doctrine especially since W. H. confesseth on Ephes 4. 10. That therefore Christ as to his Manhood is not in any of these visible Heavens for he passed through these and went into that INVISIBLE most supream Heaven the Heaven of Heavens far above the other Heavens Psal 68. He ascended on high far above all Heavens that is all heavenly Powers of Angelical Nature and Perfection he is above them pag. 8. Whereas the Ground of Stephen's seeing the Heavens opened and Jesus on the right hand of God was on his being full of the holy Ghost and not on his Carnal or Bodily Eyes he being FULL OF THE HOLY GHOST looked up stedfastly into heaven and saw the GLORY OF GOD and Jesus standing on the Right Hand of God and said Behold I see the Heavens opened and the Son of Man standing on the right hand of God Acts 7. 55 56. And likewise when John was in the Spirit on the Lord's Day he saw the seven Golden Candlesticks and in the midst thereof One like unto the Son of man c. Rev. 1. 12 13. which seven Candlesticks were the seven Churches of Asia that he wrote unto which surely were then upon Earth But to Place all this sight upon carnal and bodily Eyes is all one as if he should tell us that Stephen with his carnal and bodily Eyes saw the invisible and supream Heaven opened yea and that with the same carnal or bodily Eyes he saw the GLORY of God also for it s said he saw the Glory of God and Jesus standing on the right hand of God and this renders both the Glory of God and his right hand also obvious and visible to the carnal Eyes you may see what mean and carnal Thoughts this man hath of God and Christ the Glory of God Whereas in page 6. William Haworth saith concerning the Manhood or Body of Christ It hath the same Form and Figure that it had when here upon Earth else how could the Disciples know him after the Resurrection and yet in the same page saith It is a very GLORIOUS Body PHIl 3. Like unto his glorious Body How gloriously it is represented and painted out to us by Daniel and John in the Revelations more Bright then a Thousand Suns Answ Is it so How then hath it the same Form and Figure it had when here upon Earth Or how is it seen with carnal Eyes if so glorious and in the invisible and most suppeam Heaven And was it thus bright and glorious more then a Thousand Suns when here upon Earth subject to Suffering surely this man intrudes into that which he hath not seen Was the Body of Christ while upon Earth in that State so glorious as now That is more bright then a Thousand Suns