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A08310 The surueyors dialogue Diuided into fiue bookes: very profitable for all men to peruse, that haue to do with the reuenues of land, or the manurance, vse, or occupation thereof, both lords and tenants: as also and especially for such as indeuor to be seene in the faculty of surueying of mannors, lands, tenements, &c. By I.N. Norden, John, 1548-1625? 1607 (1607) STC 18639; ESTC S113314 151,126 260

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pence is fortie pence and forty Perches one Roode one hundred thréescore pence make thirtéene shillings and foure pence or a Marke of money and one hundred and thrée score Perches one Acre So that twenty pound makes thirtie Acres fortie pound threescore Acres a hundred pound one hundred and fiftie Acres and so forth But this kinde of casting is troublesome when it riseth to great portions and many parcels And therefore for my part I could willingly imbrace these tables for my ease and leaue this accompt by money vnto such as haue not the vse of learning to ayde their memories Sur. I haue obserued that many vnlearned men haue better and more retentiue memories then haue some Schollers Bay So haue I noted and I know some that will by memorie do very much and no doubt the reason is because Schollers doe commit their memories to the pen where such as haue not the vse of the pen must vse the memorie only which being fed with continuall pondering the things they delight in becomes as a Calender of their accounts King Cirus could name al his souldiers by memory And Pliny reporteth of Methridates that hauing vnder his gouernment 22. kingdomes or nations could speake all their languages and vnderstand any tongue without an interpreter And Scipio could remember the names of the soldiours of all the Romane armie Sur. Vse memory haue the vse of memory either Schollers or vnlearned if they vse not their memories they cā make little vse of their memories On the other side he that imprinteth too many things in his memory shal some haue oftētimes wished they could not remember so well that they had the art of forgetting to cleare the memory of y t they would not retaine in memory for many t●mes a fresh free memorie heapeth vp so many things in his thought that it breedeth such cōfusion that what it should indeed retaine is oftē cōfounded with that which it would forget Bay I wish therefore that my memorie could retaine according to occasion to forget things whereof I haue no necessarie vse and to remember things expedient yet surely although the thought can apprehend but one obiect at one instant the memorie may well apprehend and retaine many things But Sir omitting this I entreat you to shewe mee the vse of these Tables which you haue shewed me Sur. The vse is very plain easie propoūd you a nūber of perches the lēgth bredth of a groūd Bay If a péece of ground be in length fiftie two Perches and in bredth twenty sixe where and how shall I finde the content in the Tables Sur. Looke the third Table the fourth part of the Table in the vpper ranke whereof in the third Collum you shall finde 52. then looke in the first Collum for 26. then referre your finger and eye towards the right hand till you come right vnder 52. and that square answeres the content to be thus Bay What meane you by making the figures in the angles of the square Sur. Because the 4. angles doe demonstrate the acres parts of an acre The vpper angle on the left hand sheweth the Acres the vpper angle on the right hand the roodes the lower angle on the left hand the day works and the lower angle on the right hand the odde perches Bay This is very easie But I sée there are no figures in the 2. angles on the right hand neither aboue nor below Sur. When it falleth so out that there are none of the denominations found in the number then his place is left blanke Bay Then this abouesaid quantitie is 8. acre and 5. day-works which is twenty perches and twenty perches is ½ Roode Sur. You are right Bay Then if the number of perches bee lesse I must seeke them in the lesser Tables if greater in the greater Sur. You must do so Bay Yet there resteth one scruple in my mind which if it should happen before I bee resolued would breed a great doubt and therefore I am bold to aske it That is if the length of a ground be more perches then is expressed in any of the Tables how shall I find it when no Table reacheth so farre Sur. You doe well to cast all doubts If the length be more then the tables will yeeld whereof indeed the most is foure score perches Take first 80. perches out of the whole summe and then seeking the bredth in the Table as before is shewed you shall finde the content of that part Then if the bredth be more then the remanent of the length let the bredth bee the length and the remanent of the length the bredth And seeke them likewise in the Tables and what ariseth of both the numbers adde together As for example A ground is 119. perches in length and 67. in bredth the whole length is not in the Tables to bee found then I find 80. and that is the length and 67. the bredth which the Table sheweth to be 33-2-0-0 There remaineth of the whole length 39. which is a lesser number then the bredth therefore I make 39. the bredth and 67. the length which the Table sheweth to bee 16. 1-3-1 which added to the first number 33-2-0-0 maketh in the whole 49-3-3-1 Bay I sée this Table will serue for the finding of the quantitie of any summe and I doe vnderstand it well But I pray you what Table is that you haue here Sur. A necessarie Table for some purposes It sheweth how to lay out a iust Acre of land the length or bredth being giuen Bay Indéede it is a necessarie Table for euery man can not vpon the suddaine for I take it is very hard without Arithmeticke to lay out a iust acre to euery length or bredth Sur. This can indeed hardly be done by gesse it requireth arte Bay This is the Table I pray you shew me the vse of it Bredth   Length of an Acre Perches broade   Perches long and their parts Feete their parts 1   160   2   80   3   53 ¼ 1 ½ 4   40   5   32   6   26 ½ 3 7   22 ¾ 1 11 12 8   20   9   17 ¾ 6 10   16   11   14 ½ 9 12   13 ¼ 1 ½ 13   12 ¼ 1 14   11 ¼ 3 15   10 ½ 3 16   10   17   9 ¼ 2 ● 12 18   8 ¾ 1 19   8 ¼ 3 20   8   Bredth   Length of an Acre Perches broad   Perches long their parts Feete their parts 21   7 ½ 2 2 12 22   7 ¼ ● 12 23   6 ¾ 3 2 12 24   6 ½ 2 8 12 25   6 ¼ 2 6 12 26   6 2 7 12 27   5 ¾ 3 28   5 ½ 3 29   5 ½ 4 12 30   5 ¼ 4 12 31   5 2 7 12 32   5   33   4 ¾ 1 8
according to a slubberd patterne of ancient ignorance by which they onely shape all their courses as their Fathers did neuer putting in practise any new deuice by the rule of more reason And therefore indeed we that are yet in a plodding kind of course may conforme vs ●o new and probable precedents as time and ●riall will yeeld experience But ●urely I hold your opinion good for the planting of fruit trees not only in Orchards but in the hedge rowes fields for I thinke we haue of no tree more necessarie vse Sur. It is true in respect of fruite But in other respects the Oke Elme and Ash are more precious Bayly These indéed are building trées and of the three the Oke is of most request a timber most firme and most durable I haue b●●ne no great traueller and therefore I can speake little of the increase or decrease of them other then in the places where I am most resident and where my ordinary affaires do lye And for those parts I can say that they increase not though they seeme not to be wanted for you see this country inclinable to wood and timber much yet within these twenty yeeres they haue bene diminished two parts of three and if it go on by like proportion our children will surely want How it is in other countries I know not Sur. I haue seene many places of note for this kind of commodity for so ●t is howsoeuer it hath bene little preserued and I find that it hath vniuersally receiued a mortall blow within the time of my memorie notwithstanding there is a Statute for the preseruation and maintenance of the same and the same continued to this day but not with wished effect as we haue thereof spoken before Bail I will tell you Sir carelesse Gentlemen that haue Mannors and Parkes well woodded left them by their carefull auncestors that would not strip a tree for gold are of the mind as it seemeth that the shadow of the high trees do dazle their eyes they cannot see to play the good husbands nor looke about them to sell the land ti●l the trees be taken out of their sight Sur. Can you breake a iest so boldly vpon men of woorth Bail You see as well as I some do it in earnest and I thinke indeed it is partly your fault that are Surueyors for when Gentlemen haue sunke themselues by rowing in Vanities boate you blow them the bladders of lauishing helps to make them swim againe awhile counselling first to cleere the land of the wood in the sale whereof is great abuse perswading them they shall sell the land little the cheaper And indeed I hold i● prouidence where necessitie commands to chuse of two the lesser euill namely to sell part of a superfluous quantitie of wood where the remanent will ser●● the partie in vse rather then the land But withal it is the part of a good Surueyor to counsell frugalitie and a sparing spending according to the proportion of the means of him he trauel●●or And ●f that great Emperor Necessitie will needes haue hau●cke sell the wood or p●ize it so as he that buyes the land haue not the wood for nought as is often seene when the wood and timber sometimes is woorth the price of wood and land Sur. It seemes when you come to be a Surueyor as you labor to be I hope you will be very carefull in your counsell but it may be when you seeme to haue best skill and earnest desire to draw the line straight for a man inclinable to his owne will he will rather giue it into the hands of some one that feedes his conceits with flatterie and he shall mannage the building when you haue laid the foundation And what he doth be it right or crooked is leuell with the marke And therefore leauing euery man to him he likes I say onely this that sith timber and timber trees and wood by due obseruation are found to decay so fast me thinkes in common discretion it should behooue euery good husband for all would be so accompted both vpon his own ●and as also vpon such as he holds of other mens not onely to maintaine and to the vttermost to preserue the timber trees and saplins likely to become timber trees Oke Elme and Ash but voluntarily to plant young and because there is not onely an vniuersall inclination to hurle downe it were expediēt that sith will will not authoritie should constraine some mean of restauration namely to enioyne men as well Lords as tenants to plant for euery summe of acre a number of trees or to sow or set a quantitie of ground with Acorns Baylie I remember there is a Statute made 35 Hen. the 8. and the ● Eliz. for the preseruation of timber trees Oake Ash Elme Aspe and Beech and that 12. storers standils should bee left standing at euery fall vpon an acre but mee thinkes this Statute is deluded and the meaning abused for I haue seene in many places at the fa●s where in deed they leaue the number of standils and more but in stead they cut dow●e them that were preserued before and at the next fall them that were left to answere the Statute and yong le●t againe in their steads so that there can bee no increase of timber trees notwithstāding the words of the Statute by this kind of reseruation vnlesse such as were thus left were continued to become timber trees indeed And therefore it were not amisse that some prouision were made to maintain the meaning of the Statute in more force but I leaue that to such as see more then I see and haue power to reforme it Sur. It is a thing in deed to bee regarded for indeed there is abuse in it Bayly Surely it is especially in places where little timber growes for there is no Coūtry how varraine of timber soeuer but hath vse of timber and therefore if neither mens owne wils seeing the imi●ent want nor force of Iustice will mooue and worke a reformation we may say as the Prouerbe is Let them that liue longest fetch their wood farthest Sur. But some Countries are yet well stored and for the abundance of timber wood were excepted in the Statute as the Welds of Kent Sussex Surry which were all anciently comprehended vnder the name of Holmes dale There are diuers places also in Darinshire Cheshire Shr●pshire wel woodded And yet he that well obserues it and hath knowne the Weles of Sussex Surry and Kent the grand nursery of those kind of trees especially Oake Beech shal find such an alteratiō within lesse then 30. yeres as may well strike a feare lest few yeeres more as pestilent as the former will leaue fewe good trees standing in those Welds Such a heate issueth out of the many forges furnaces for the making of Iron and out of the glasse kilnes as hath deuoured many famous