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A59912 The birth and burning of the image called S. Michael containing the substance of a narrative lately given into the vestry of All Saints Barkin, London / by Mr. Edmond Sherman ... at laying down his office in Easter week, 1681 ... ; together with a letter to Mr. Jonathan Saunders ... which may serve for an answer to his two late pamphlets entituled, Apparitions, &c. ; introduced with two vestry orders demonstrating not so good reason for its birth as burning ; set up anno 1659/60, burnt anno 1680/81 ... Sherman, Edmund, 17th cent.; Sanders, Jonathan. 1681 (1681) Wing S3382; ESTC R10625 24,275 18

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need have we of any Images at all in our Churches prove that first substantially and then what kind of Images whether of Saints or Angels or Christ on the Cross or Fryars or Benefactors c. But pray enlarge much upon our Benefactor 's Images for I find by experience they bring most money to our Church and that the Benevolence of them is the best maintenance we have for our Poor and by my Account it will appear that we have had much more mony come in from our deceased Benefactor than I and my Parther and two Sidesmen and Eliston and loud John Bounick have got in two years bawling all six of us at the door Thus pray remember the poor pray remember the poor there ore let us have all our Benefactors Pictures bravely carved and guilded as like as ever one Pea was like another this may encourage more Benefactors and if the Answer be well penn'd to that point it may be worth all the Tithes Easter Offerings and Lecture-mony too that we pay you My relating how far Mr. Hunter acted is only to satisfie you how falsly the Pamphlets of Mr. Sanders have represented the matter in print to the world not in the least to vindicate my self by having had Mr. Hunter's consent for what Mr. Hunter acted was but as the Under-Churchwarden useth often to gowith the Upper-Churchwarden as his Assistant therefore if any just blame be for what is done I had rather bear all the blame and dammage too that can happen than suffer any body so much as to think ill of Mr. Hunter from any one part of this matter I have only this to say that we both did think we did for the best and I say again I believe it will prove so For this reason because the more noise and pother Mr. Sanders hath made about it the more it may by some be suspected that Mr. Sanders would willingly defend Images in Churches because he lays so much blame on a Churchwarden for not defending them no better and for not calling a Vestry to consult how to do it or how to delay the Proceedings till another Sessions c. But I do conceive that I may account the burning of this Image after all Circumstances considered no more Sacriledg than burning an old Broom that belongs to the Church and shall be of that mind until Mr. Sanders do convince the contrary in print That this Image hath been more dedicated or consecrated at first or since to the Church than all the Brooms every Churchwarden hath paid for since the Image was made now it doth concern him to tell the world why he made this Text his subject for the first Pamphlet viz. Thou that abhorrest Idols dost thou commit Sacriledg If ●h do not prove my burning this Image to be Sacriledg then he si besides the Text but I will grant that the Desk hath been more consecrated than the Image but I do not know how much the Clerks place in the Desk is less consecrated than the Readers place in the same D●sk I answer they are both in one and the same Desk they both sit jig by joul together not an Inch between nay the Clerk's place is on the Reader 's right hand also the Clerk's place is nearer the Pulpit than the Readers so that the Lecturer can't go up into the Pulpit but if he be civil he must say by your leave Mr. Clerk Therefore all these things considered I find little reason for Mr. Sanders when he had done Reading Prayers in the Desk lately to fall out with the poor Clerk for standing up where Mr. Sanders had stood to publish a Vestry and to say Sirrah this place is more consecrated than yours and Sirrah your Shoes are not clean enough to stand up here Lord bless us to what height will this ceremonious Lecturer bring us because the Clerk and Mr. Sanders can't set their Horses together must we suffer him to print Sham Pamphlets without order of Vestry and so spread false Stories about the Parish to set you and me and all the Parish into heats and differences well if it were possible for him to make you and all the whole Parish fall out with me yet he shall never be able to make me fall out with you for I will not so much as be angry at any prosecution you can think of for I am assured that at any Tavern-meeting with you or any man else with whom I have any difference the very first Glass of Wine will wash away the greatest grumbling that ever I had in my Gizard and render me fully reconcil'd therefore let us have another merry meeting at Tavern and let Mr. Sanders be there and let us laugh and droll out those Stories and drink healths roundly as we did bravely when we din'd at the Vine Tavern at our late Election day and pledg me in a full Glass and drink Confusion to the Pope and all his Party from Dan to Beersheba let there be no man in our Parish have any other distinction but Protestant or Papist for could all that are Protestants but truly love and agree one with another we need not fear Pope nor Monsieur O then we should be a most serious regularly devout Parish indeed Mr. Sanders hath one fling at me more about my Proceedings in Vestry He hath a mighty opinion of himself can't that please him which the Doctor or Vestry have printed nothing against yet when they do I will not only say but make it appear even by the Lord Bishops own Grant that they cannot hold a Vestry without both or at least one of the Churchwardens and if one Churchwarden be not at it it is but a Junto of a Vestry Let the Laity keep the power in the hands of their Churchwardens for what they yield perhaps but out of respect to a Protestant Vicar it will be claimed if Popery comes in as due to a Popish Vicar for all Popish Successors that shall come into our Living will expect rather more than less than was yielded by us Hereticks as they will call us But I am so satisfied in what I have done relating both to the Image and Vestry that I shall not need to fear to submit the whole matter nay any other difference I may happen to have with any one in the world to the Censure of our Diocesan himself to whom as my duty I owe and shall pay as great Veneration as any of you all But furthermore I pray forget not likewise to answer why we call an Image an Ornament either to the Church or Commandments for we dare not call such a great carved guilded Image as this is an Ornament to the Commandments of God in a Protestant Church for Images are directly contrary to one of those very Commandments And why we should suffer this Image to stand upon the Commandments of God just as if it were ready with its feet to kick that Commandment out of our number as soon as ever