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A84892 VIII. problems propounded to the Cavaliers: for conviction of their consciences; with a discovery of certain plots and conspiracies. Declared by Captain Francis Freeman. With an answer thereunto returned by Colonell Francis Windham. And a reply to the said answer. These are printed by the originall papers, and published according to order of Parliament. Freeman, Francis.; Windham, Francis.; England and Wales. Parliament. 1646 (1646) Wing F2128; Thomason E343_6; ESTC R200943 20,583 25

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rebell contrary to all truth But when I pray you doth his supposed rebellion appear to you by what circumstances is it manifested For my part I know not and I think he must be wiser then you that can tell me T is true indeed that Ahaz his Father being vexed by Israel and Aram on the North the Edomites and Philistines on the South and so in soore distresse intreated ayd of Tiglat Phileser the Assirian and to the end he might the more readily obtaine it sent him the silver and gold both of the Temple and his Exchequer the Assyrian came destroyed Rezin at Damascus and so rid him of some of his feare but his other enemies were not strong so that Ahaz was little the better for what he did nay far the worse for besides those his former enemies the Assyrian himselfe being become a new one distresseth him 2 Chron. 28.20 and helped him not verse the 21. yet must p●ore Ahaz say nothing but for feare of displeasing the Tyrant give him more gold Bu● what of all this nay suppose further that the Lion saing he had done him a curtysie and he not daring to den ieit out of feare promise to give him a yeerly tribute in requitall which yet neither the text nor anie ancient historian I have met with acknowledge is Ezechia bound to performe it would not you if you had been in his case have endeavoured to have shaken off such a Yoake and yet have thought your selfe free enough from any the least blemish of rebellion especially he being neither your native nor any way lawfull Prince I believe you would and why then do you call it rebellion in him But lets observe Ezechi●as proceedings did he do as ye do surely no far otherwise he confesseth an offence submitteth himselfe and payeth the fine imposed on him but the proud Tyrant not contented therewith proceeds further sends a great hoast against Ierusal●m and under colour of demanding hostages endeavours to insnare him and swallow up all and what does Ezechia then why he betakes himselfe in the first place to the weapons of the Church Prayers and Teares then prepares himselfe against the siege and lastly that he might be sure to go in a right path sends to the Prophet for his advice and being incouraged by him sets up his resolution to stand upon his just defence and expect the Salvation of the Lord O that your party had but done thus then had ye bin blamelesse and neither Church nor State groan'd under the heavy pressures they now doe but your Spirits were of another temper as impatient of delay as any the least thwarting yee must have all after your own wayward minds and in your own time too And if heaven smile not you are confident hell will hy for Acheren in all post the Witch of Endor must be consulted with Rebellion and Witchcraft are neer a-kin and that under a religious pretence of speaking with the Prophet to know the will of the Lord. But what will the father of lies tell truth Yes sometimes when he is forc'd to it what comfort thence then Small God wot for yee let Iezabel speak else and cast forth her Probleme Had Zimri peace that killed his master O Sir Rebell think on this and tremble take heed of a worse fire then he conscious of his own demerits fired himselfe in 1 King 16.18 How can ye be thus wilfully thus affectedly stupid and blinde but Surdis Canimus ye have set up your resolution and it must stand let the Charmer charme never so wisely ye like the Adder stop your eares yea though wisedome her selfe cry aloud ye are resolved ye will not heare 't is bootlesse therefore for me to use any more words and the truth is my patience wil hardly give me leave if I would wee 'l but review then the strength of your Argument and conclude it stands thus Ezechiah rebelled and prosper'd therefore we may lawfully rebell therefore we shall assuredly prosper O weaknesse produce nothing but an example to prove the lawfulnesse of an act flatly forbidden and that but one singly grounded upon one word ambiguous admitting a more candide interpretation which in such cases is alwayes to be admitted an example no way consonant to the businesse you aime at but even di●-dia-paesôn differing and making more against ye then for ye and can this make you so confident that your rebellion is lawfull fie on 't fie on 't God open your eyes and turne your hearts surely if your hands prove as weake as your heads you 'l gaine but little here but I forget my selfe yet nondum manuum de tabula for taking notice of your kind expectative conclusion I can not chuse but meet you in the same tract of Charity Let me intreat you therefore in the Name of God to lay aside all prejudicacie to weigh things with a single heart not to dote so much upon examples and presidents but to make the divine precept the rule of your actions you cannot but know and acknowledge that Kings though wicked as Saul though heathen as Cyrus Esa 45.1 are the Lords annointed by him they raigne Prov. 8.15 In his hand are their hearts and he turneth them as he pleaseth Prov. 21.1 Take not too much then upon you meddle not with Gods Prerogative think on Abishai and Davids neperdas to him 1 Sam. 26.9 together with his reason Though that Saul were his and the Churches enemy though he had a faire opportunity and as good a culler as could be imagined to cut him of and though Abishai were importunate to have it done yet David who best knew the will of the Lord herein forbids it with a neperdas destroy him not the Lords annointed must not be destroyed no nor touched 1 Chron 16.22 not a hand not a finger to be moved against him no nor a foote neither Prov. 30.31 no rising no stirring a foote against him 't is dangerously wicked 't is wickedly dangerous so to do the Lord will not hold him guiltlesse that doth so think on Ioab 1 Kings 2.28 the 2. Traytors Ester 2.23 Absolon 2 Sam. 18.14 Sheba 2 Sam. 20.22 and the like and tell me did these prosper in their rebellion surely no but came all of them to untimely though merited ends no doubt so shall all such as tread in their steps beware then in time and take example now by others least ye be made your selves hereafter examples unto others 't is high time for ye to returne into the right way ye have stragled too long already Salius è dimedia via c. 't is better late then never be not ashamed to acknowledge an errour when ye perceive your selves in it 't is no dishonour St. Aug. got more credit by his retractations then any other piece he wrote and let not any by or wordly respect hinder ye for what will it profit a man to gayne the whole World with the glory thereof and lose his owne Soule as all such as go on in this accursedly cursed rebellion are likely without Gods great mercy to do thinke upon these things seriously consider them and it will not repent thee God in his mercy dirvert his judgements from us and guide all our feete in the way of Peace Your Servant Fran Windham To the Governour of Dunster Castle these present SIR I Have received a Letter as I suppose signed with your owne hand but composed by those two scandalous malignant priests of Baal Adrie and King pretending it to be an answer to that which I formerly sent you when indeede there was no answer at all but a most lamentable frothy peice of non-sence as if your heads had been gvilly of a cup of muddy ale a bundell of stuffe bumbasted together with three or fowre mouth-fulls of Lattin taken upon trust by you without due examination subscribed with your own hand for which I shall hereafter chide you and shall advise you to take better councell and not to follow such blinde guides that shall build with one hand and destroy with the other which argues abundance of imbecillity and weaknesse in you I shall therefore set it forth in print that the world may but judge of your folly and the title of it shall be Three in print but what shall I say but use the very same words of our Saviour Christ in the 15. of Matthew 14. And if the blind leade the blinde they both shall fall into the ditch Truly you may justly be compared unto the false Prophets spoken of in the 5. of Ieremiah and the last verse the Prophets Prophecy falsly and the Priests beare rule by their meanes and my people love to have it so and what will ye do in the end thereof surely your end will be miserable unlesse it please God to give you grace speedily to repent and amend your life for you wrest the Scriptures to your own perdition not knowing the waies of God because they are spiritually discern'd therefore let me advise you to cast those wicked scandalous Priests ' over the walles it may be a meanes to avert Gods judgements and somewhat abate the rage and furie of him that may yet prove to be Your friend Francis Freeman Post-script There is no newes worth the vvriting but that Hereford and Westchester are taken and Colonell Birch made Governour of Hereford but I cannot as yet rightly inform you vvho is Governour of VVestchester if I could I should gladly impart it unto you I have sent also a Catalogue of all those Parliament Rebels and Traytors as you call them vvhich are to be made Dukes Northumberland Essex Pembroke VVarwick Marquesses Salsbury Manchester Earles Say Seale Fairfax VVharton Roberts Howard VVillowby Viscount Densi● Hollis Barons Generall Fairfax Lieutenant Generall Cromwel Sir VVilliam VValler Sir Henry Vane Senior There is some other newes flying but how true it is I know not and that is that Goring Hopton and Miller are gone into France But the next newes God willing I shall bring my selfe and vve vvill have it all in a Diurnall FINIS
VILL. PROBLEMS Propounded to the CAVALIERS FOR Conviction of their Consciences With a Discovery of certain Plots and Conspiracies Declared by Captain FRANCIS FREEMAN WITH An Answer thereunto returned by Colonell FRANCIS WINDHAM And a Reply to the said Answer These are Printed by the Originall Papers and Published according to Order of Parliament LONDON Printed by BARNARD ALSOP dwelling in Grubstreet 1646. To Colonell Francis Windham Governour of Dunster Castle these present SIR I Have sent you here inclosed this Manuscript of my poor weak labours which is by way of Problems containing in them eight particuler questions with your Cavaliers own answers to each particuler question briefly handled by the Author together with a briefe description of certain Plots and Conspiracies which the Enemies of God have completted contrived and conspired against the Church and People of God to bring their wicked Designs to passe and if so be I could with convenience have sent you the Kings Cabinet Letters taken at Naesby sight it would have been a strong confirmation of this truth I pray you to peruse these lines through out with a diligent carefulnesse and weigh each particuler according to its severall weight and conscionably practising all things herein c●ntained in your life and conversation for the good of your poor soule it will be a re dy means for the good and welfare both of soule and body for time to come and in so doing I shall for ever remain Yours to command FRANCIS FREEMAN For Colonell Windham SIR I Have made bold to write unto you proposing certain several questions with your own answers as I suppose to each particular question upon what grounds you stand to maintain the true Protestant Religion the Laws and Liberties of the Subject and Priviledges of Parliament as you say and yet by your actions you seeke to destroy them all The first question what profession are you Answ A Gentleman and a Souldier The second what Religion are you off Ans The Protestant Religion The third question who doe you fight for An. For the King The 4. question Doth the King stand to maintain the true Protestant Religion the Laws of the Land Liberties of the Subject and Priviledges of Parliament As. Yes he doth so witnesse all his Declarations Proclamations and Protestations The fifth question Why doth the King suffer all the Papists and Irish Rebels some who have been proclaimed traytors both by King and Parliament to joyn with him against his Parl. to destroy it An. Because they are better Subjects then his Parliament are who indeavour to deprive him of his Sinck-Ports and all his shipping and also his Prerogative Royall The 6. question But do all these things of right belong unto the King only An. Yes they are all to be at his disposing for the good of his Kingdoms or else I would not fight for him The 7. question but now I pray you tell me what you think of the Parliament what Religion are they off An. I must confesse that I think they are Protestants but there are a great many Sects and Schismes among them which makes them far worse then any Papist or Irish Rebels there is the Puritane alias Round-head there is the Brownist the Anabaptist the Separatist some Antinomians and some Independants and these are the men that seek to deprive the King of all His Rights and Priviledges and raise up arms to fight against their King The 8. question But what do you think would be become of the Law if the Parl. should be destroyed An. I think we should enjoy the same still for our King have set forth many Declarations wherein he hath made many gracious promises and bound it by many Protestations that we shall enjoy all our own with advantage if we will but sticke close to him and fight for him against those Parliament Rebels and Traytors and that man is worse then a Rebell or a Traytor that will not take the word of a King and believe his King these and the like grounds I suppose you have to fight for your King which you so much deifie that if it were possible you would set him in Gods throne or above him as you do in your heart which doth appear plainly by your answer to some of these Questions or else you fawn upon him for some by-sinister ends of your own to be great in the esteem of the world but I shall by Gods blessing indeavour to give you certain evident Rules in the handling of each particuler that will demonstrate unto you what grosse errours you have committed what dangers you are in both soule and body and a remedy how to avoid and escape these dangers I shall handle them in order and so make particuler application according to the times I shall begin with the first answer which is touching your profession you say you are a Gentleman and a Souldier I answer If you are so then you are in a very good condition but I must tell you that all Souldiers are called Gentlemen Souldiers and those are Gentlemen Souldiers in a more speciall manner that fights the Lords battell he that fights under Christs banner he that fights against sinne and Sathan and to destroy the workes of the Divell he that indeavours to beat down Popery Superstition Idolatry and Tyrannie he that endeavours to set up Christ in his heart and regulates his life and conversation according to the Rules he hath prescribed in his Word he that indeavours a Reformation and loves the Brethren which are the Members of Christ will joyn with them and fight for them to free them from wrong and oppression he that keepes himself free from plundering and spoyling the Countrey and doing any wrong or injury to any man by his will or the like these are true properties of a Gentleman Souldier I could wish Gentlemen Souldiers to be better advised and not rashly goe to warre but first look into their own heart and see what grounds they have for it and aske councell of God for he is the God of warre he taught Davids hands to warre and his fingers to fight and if you see your enterprises tends to Gods glory then you may assure your selves of the victory by him who is onely the Almighty and can turne all flesh into dust with the breath of his mouth and now I shall appeal to your own conscience to make particuler application if it be so that Gentlemen Souldiers must be thus and thus qualified what will bee become of all you Cavaliers I would intreat you in the fear of the Lord to begin first with your self and examine your own conscience see by your actions whether your enterprises tends to Gods glory or no then I presume your actions will be a shrode evidence against you if you try your self by the touch-stone of the Sanctuary now I shall tell you how true Gentility first came in Gentility came in first by some heroick vertues by the sword or by