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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A88844	Lay-preaching vnmasked. Or, A discourse tending to shew the unlawfulnesse of laymens preaching in publique or private. being a refutation of some arguments brought for the justification of the lawfulnesse and uniuersall exercise of every mans gift publique and private: by a well-willer to reformation.	Well-willer to reformation.	1644 (1644)	Wing L750; Thomason E37_14; ESTC R11551	26,948	30

that he preached to any for hee neither did as the Samaritan woman did nor as the man in whom the devils vvere and truly their actions and performance of them doe manifest a disparitie the woman went onely and told what things had passed betweene her selfe and Christ The man preached it but as for King Saul he prophesied by the instinct of that spirit he now had in praysing and singing with instruments of musicke to God which did confirme him in his extraordinary call of being King all which you could not chuse but know onely it seemes you are disposed to make the world merry To the next 1 Sam. 19.20 where Saul is faid to send messengers to David and that they prophesied that is all one with the other 1 Sam. 10.6 and Sauls messengers here prophesied with the rest of the Prophers as Saul himselfe did there and their prophesying must needs have reference to the prophesying of the Prophers for so the words imply that when these messengers came and said the colledge or company of the Prophets then saith the Text they also prophesied and so also in the same manner did Saul himselfe prophesic Now what this prophesie was is expressed in 1 Sam. 10.6 as before was declared it consisted in sounding forth Gods praises with Tabret Pipe Harpe and as Jeduthun did 1 Chron. 25.3 an this was to declare the infinite power and mercy of God towards David whom Saul now had an intent to have slaine as appeares by the whole Chapter Saul sending his messengers and going himselfe yet all could not doe nor bring to a full period his wicked designes against David the like example wee have in 2 King 1. of those two Captaines and their fifties that came to apprehend the Prophet Eliah these men thinking to bring the Prophet to King Ahaziah their ends were frustrated and they themselves were consumed with fire from heaven wherein the power mercy of God was also manifested towards Eliah So that it appeares here it was the wonderful mercy of God to David to deliver him from the hands of Saul his messengers the opportunitie being so that notwithstanding Saul sent time after time vet God so ordered the matter that these messengers being sent from Saul who was enraged against him vers 10. could not have accesse much lesse to doe him any wrong so gracious is the Lord that to vindicate his peoples innocency or else his owne in them that the strongest assaults of wicked men though attended with never so much policie shall challenge no suocesse but by his over-ruling power not that God had a speciall ayme that these men should be Preachers much lesse to be example therein to posteritie but onely that God might deliver David from the hands of Saul nay Saul himself who like Herod after he had sent forth the wise men to discover Christ but came not againe was now as much in his bedlam moods as Saul was at this time who went himselfe to Ramah and the Spirit of the Lord came upon him and he prophesied and rent his cloathes as an infallible testimony of a convicted conscience for pursuing so innocent a man as David was an excellent example wee have to this purpose in the 7. of John 46. of the Pharisees who sent their messengers to setch Christ before them but contrary to their expectation that in stead of these mens intended fact of taking Christ Christ tooke them and as they came to apprehend Christ as Sauls messengers did David they were so wrought upon by his powerfull speeches that in the 46. verse they cry out That never man spake like this man and you may better conclude that these servants of the Pharisees were Preachers then Sauls messengers and the reason is stronger in them then in the other for Sauls messengers prophesied among the Prophets when there was not such neede but onely here that the workes of God might be made manifest turning that into good which these men intended for evill and never returned againe to give Saul account of his message But here these men that came to Christ had their eyes opened and had some smatterings of illumination that he was Christ and did also returne to the Pharisees againe declaring Christs saying Never man spake like this man these men had beene better presidents for you to have proved the point all the marrow of the businesse I see lies in this one word Prophesie which if you were at a dead lift as here you are can never helpe you considering its divers acceptarions As for that you say afterwards that these men were no way extraordinary for so your words imply they had no extraordinary spirit Ergo were not extraordinary Here you shew your selfe either very ignorant in the Scriptures or else your writing at this time was very rash and inconsiderate siderate and because I have here just occasion to speake of that I mentioned before let me aske you this question If nothing were extraordinary but the penning of Scripture and the workes of Miracles Quest how shall we dispure against the Hierarchie to prove that Timothy and Titus were extraordinary Officers by those offices and acts which they did if nothing were extraordinary but what you say for you affirme when it was objected that these men had extraordinary spirits that none had extraordinary spirits but they that pen'd the Scriptures or wrought Miracles implying that because they had not exeraordinary spirits in perming Scriptures or working Miracles therefore they were not extraordinary and so you have with one pusse taken away all the strength of the Annepiscopall pa●●●e and given occasion to them to triumph in the discord which they maliciously attribute to our Divinces for my part I leave you either to cleare your felfe or else to acknowledge your errour for it is mamfest abroad in the world that by reason of the ill unadvised rash inconsiderate impertinent Famphlets that are now extant setting some aside the adversaries of a through reformation do not sticke to say in their Bediam fits that all dissentions about the Church are set on foot by the occasion of our best and sincerest Divines To the next you say that such a spirit as this was promised to all Gods people It is most true that God hath promised to his people a spirit of Prophesie but now all the question is what this kinde of Prophesying is because it serves much for the illustration of this point and the opening of this Text there are then divers acceptations of the word Prophesie in Scripture 1. It is taken in the strictest sence for foretelling things to come thus the Prophets as Psaiah Jeremiah Ezekiel were Prophets 2. For publike preaching the Word by Sermons to the Church so it is taken and attributed to the Shepherds of Israel men in a publike office in the Church Ezek. 34.2 Isa 56.10 3. For private interpretation yet not being contrariant to publike doctrines that are true for the iuse and

a reproofe Enviest thou them for my sake saith he would God that all the Lords people were Prophets whereby it appeares that Moses his speech must needs carry a dependance and reference to those two Elders in the Camp or else it were very incongruous Now shall I aske you this question Had not Moses some ground for his wish and is not this wish spoken with reference to those two Elders I know you cannot deny it doth it not follow then by necessary consequence that as the Spirit that God took from Moses and put it upon these Elders and which Spirit Moses wished were in the Lords people was a spirit of Government which those Elders were to share in with Moses and which would have produced a happy effect in the people if they had had the same Will you see an example to illustrate this point Let the example of Saul then bee here brought forth and which comes next to be answered That as he was extraordinarily called by God to his Kingly office so was this his calling confirmed to him by the pouring of his Spirit on him 1 Sam. 10 6. Such an example we have likewise in Gideon in the 6. Judges 34. Who by this signe of prophecie and other things joyning with it had his place confirmed to him the Spirit it selfe was a Spirit of government and of courage and magnanimity to support them and to fill them with sufficiency for the performance of those places that God had designed them to The prophecying it selfe consisted in sounding out Gods praises by the instinct of that Spirit they now had with Psaltery Tabret and Pipe and in this very sence are those places to bee understood of Gideon 1 Sam. 10.5 and Saul and Elisha as also a pregnant place to his purpose of Jeduthun in 1 Chron. 25.3 who is said to prophesie with a Harpe and to give thankes and praise to the Lord by all which it may appeare what is the true revealed intent of the holy Ghost in Moses speech to wit That the Lord would if hee so pleased poure upon these people who before did murmure a spirit of government Paraphrased that so they might know how to carry themselves towards their God and his servant Moses their governour and these 70. Elders whom hee had extraordinarily and specially designed for that pur-pose To that other objection of Saul in 1 Sam. 10.6 and you have it 1 Sam. 6.10 but it is no great matter wee will passe that by because the whole booke almost is full fraught with ill applications and misconstructions to the place of Samuel then I answer that the meaning of Sauls prophesying is as was sayd before to sound forth Gods praises by the instinct of that Spirit he now had with those Prophets in the fifth verse Or changed his spirit the whole story is this Foure things Samuel had prophesied concerning Saul after his annointing and departing from him and that when these things came to passe Saul might be assured of Gods calling of him to be King the signes were these 1. That when he was departed he should finde two men by Rachels Sepulchre vers 2. 2. That after that hee should meete three men going to Bethel to the house of God vers 3. 3. After that he should meete a company of Prophets with Harpe Tabret Pipes c. 4. When he came thus farre and saw these Prophets then the Spirit of the Lord should come upon him and he should prophesie with them Now when all these came upon him he might be assured in the accomplishment of these prophesies that God had called him to be the ruler of the people and that he should doe them as occasion served for the hand verse 7. of the Lord was with him so that it seemes undeniably that Sauls prophesying amongst these Prophets was such prophesying as theirs was for so the words with them doe clearely intimate the spirit it selfe was poured upon him for the confirmation of his calling and the effect of that Spirit filling of him with strength and valour and also to sound out Gods praises and besides the holy Ghost hath thought fit to expresse the manner thereof the Spirit of the Lord came upon him now God gives his spirit either visibly or else invisibly the one is extraordinary the other ordinary Now the holy Ghost came upon Saul in a visible manner not by any locall appearance (n) The holy Ghost comes visibly not by any locall motion but by the signes he workes onely the sign●s is taken for the thing it selfe Vrsin ●a●t but by those signes which were produced to the eyes senses of the by-standers his operations not by any locall or visible sight of himselfe but by those effects which he wrought The holy Ghost is given invisibly when hee bestowes his gifts not so much with infallible outward externall testimonies as by an inward operation on the faculties of the soule in measures and so is given to wicked men and the elect to wicked men at the best speculatively regenerating them to the elect both speculatively and practically The spirit then was given to Saul in an extraordinary manner visibly by those effects he did produce The gifts of the Holy Ghost as Miracles and Tengues Prephesies were given in the Apostles times in an extraordinary manner ibid. so that it appeares that his example serves your turne not one whit for if the holy Ghost came upon Saul in an extraordinary manner and that this his prophesying consisted in praysing God with Tabret Pipe as the Prophets did in the fift verse and hee with them then what can this prove to your purpose as the holy Ghost was given to the Apostles in the primitive Church extraordinarily immediatly because of those effects they did produce why not upon Saul who had this spirit given him immediatly as appeares by the effects they wrought in him as making him another man and by his prophesying all which were confirmations extraordinary to confirme his calling of being King which was extraordinary also the like we see in David 1 Sam. 16.13 who had the Spirit poured upon him in the same manner as it was on Saul and all to fit him for those weightie duties of his kingly office and although David had not such visible conspicuous signes at his annointing as Saul had yet wee reade in 1 Sam. 16.18 that he was strong valiant a man of warre in so much that it is said 1 Sam. 18.14 15. that Saul was afraid of him all which things being laid together will evince this truth to wit that these were extraordinary Spirits in their manner of being given to certaine persons again if Saul were a Preacher as this allegation seemes to insinuate then a question would be asked to vvhom did he preach It is said indeed he prophesied but there is divers kinds of prophesie in Scripture onely the Text saith he prophesied with the rest of the Prophets but not