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A66445 The blovdy tenent, of persecution, for cause of conscience, discussed, in a conference betweene trvth and peace vvho, in all tender affection, present to the high court of Parliament, as the result of their discourse, these, amongst other passages, of highest consideration. Williams, Roger, 1604?-1683.; Cotton, John, 1584-1652. 1644 (1644) Wing W2758; ESTC R2405 232,471 275

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and the redressing of evill and where it stops in any and runs nor cleere there the guilt like filth or mud will lie Thirdly had it been the holy purpose of God to have established the doctrine and kingdome of his Son this way since his comming he would have furnished Common-weales Kingdomes Cities c. then and since with such temporall Powers and Magistrates as should have been excellently sit and competent for he that could have had legions of Angels if he so pleased could as easily have been and still be furnished with legions of good and gracious Magistrates to this end and purpose CHAP. XXXI IT is generally said that God hath in former rimes and doth still and will hereafter stirre up Kings and Queenes c. I answer that place of Isa. 49. 23. will appeare to be far from proving such Kings and Queenes Iudges of Ecclesiasticall causes and if not Iudges they may not punish In Spirituall things themselves are subject to the Church and censures of it although in Civill respects superior How shall those Kings and Queenes be supreme Governours of the Church and yet lick the dust of the Churches feet as it is there exprest Thirdly Gods Israel of old were earnest with God for a King for an Arme of Flesh for a King to protect them as other Nations had Gods Israel still have ever been restlesse with God for an Arme of flesh God gave them Saul in his anger and took him away in his wrath And God hath given many a Saul in his Anger that is an Arm of Flesh in the way of his Providence though I judge not all persons whom Saul in his Calling typed out to be of Sauls spirit for I speake of a State and outward visible Power only I adde God will take away such stayes on whom Gods people rest in his wrath that King David that is Christ Iesus the Antitype in his own Spirituall power in the hands of the Saints may spiritually and for ever be advanced And therefore I conclude it was in one respect that the Lord Iesus said Let them alone because it was no Ordinance for any Disciple of Iesus to prosecute the Pharises at Caesars Bar. Beside let it be seriously considered by such as plead for present corporall punishment as conceiving that such sinners though they breake nor Civill peace should not escape unpunished I say let it be considered though for the present their punishment is deferred yet the punishment inflicted on them will be found to amount to an higher pitch then any corporall punishment in the World beside and that in these foure respects CHAP. XXXII FIrst by just judgement from God false teachers are starke blinde Gods sword hath strucke out the right eye of their minde and spirituall underderstanding ten thousand times a greater punishment then if the Magistrate should command both the right and left eye of their bodies to bee bored or pluckt out and that in so many fearfull respects if the blindenesse of the soule and of the body were a little compared together whether we looke at that want of guidance or the want of joy and pleasure which the light of the eye affordeth or whether we looke at the damage shame deformity and danger which blindenesse brings to the outward man and much more true in the want of the former and miseris of the latter in spirituall and soule blindenesse to all eternity Secondly how fearfull is that wound that no Balme in Gilead can cure How d●eadfull is that blindenesse which for ever to all eye-salve is incurable For if persons be wilfully and desperately obstinate after light shining forth let them alone faith the Lord. So spake the Lord once of Ephraim Ephraim is joyned to Idolls let him alone Hos. 7. what more lamentable condition then when the Lord hath given a poor sinner over as a hopelesse patient incurable which we are wont to account a ●orer affliction then if a man were torne and rack'd c. And this I speake not that I conceive that all whom the Lord Iesus commands His servants to passe from and let alone to permit and tolerate when it is in their power corporally to molest them I say that all are thus ●●cura●le yet that sometimes that word is spoken by Christ Jesus to ●is servants to be patient for neither can corporall or spirituall 〈◊〉 or Physicke ever heale or cure ●●em Thirdly their end is the Ditch that bottomlesse pit of everlasting separation 〈◊〉 the holy and sweet Presence of the Father of Lights Goodnesse and Mercy it selfe enalesse 〈◊〉 in extremity universality and eternity of torments which most direfull and lamen●able downefall should strike a ●oly fear trembling into all 〈◊〉 see the Pit whith●● 〈…〉 are ●umbling and cause us to strive so far as 〈…〉 by the spirituall eye-salve of the Word of God to heale and 〈…〉 ●hei● soule-destroying blindenesse 〈◊〉 of those that fall into this ●●e●●full Ditch both leader and followers how deplorable in more especiall manner is the leaders case upon whose necke the followers tumble the ruine not only of his owne soule being horrible but also the ruine of the followers soules eternally galling and tormenting Peace Some will say these things are indeed full of horrour yet such is the state of all sinners and of many Malefactours whom yet the State is bound to punish and sometimes by death it selfe Truth I answer The Civill Magistrate beareth not the sword in vaine but to cut off Civill offences yea and the offendours too in case But what is this to a blinde Pharisce resisting the Doctrine of Christ who happily may be as good a subject and as peaceable and profitable to the Civill State as any and for his spirituall offence against the Lord Iesus in denying Him to be the true Christ he suffereth the vengeance of a dreadfull judgement both present and eternall as before CHAP. XXXIII Peace YEa but it is said that the blinde Pharises misguiding the subjects of a Civill State greatly sinne against a Civill State and therefore justly suffer civill punishment for shall the Civill Magistrate take care of outsides only to wit of the bodies of men and not of soules in labouring to procure their everlasting welfare Truth I answer It is a truth the mischiefe of a blinde Pharises blinde guidance is greater then if he acted Treasons Murders c. and the losse of one soule by his seduction is a greater mischiefe then if he blew up Parliaments and cuts the throats of Kings or Emperours so pretious is that invaluable Jewell of a Soul above all the present lives and bodies of all the men in the world I and therefore a firme Justice calling for eye for eye tooth for tooth life for life calls also soule for soule which the blinde-guiding seducing Pharisee shall surely pay in that dreadfull Ditch which the Lord Jesus speakes of but this sentence against him the Lord Jesus only pronounceth