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A17337 The orator handling a hundred seuerall discourses, in forme of declamations: some of the arguments being drawne from Titus Liuius and other ancient vvriters, the rest of the authors owne inuention: part of which are of matters happened in our age. Written in French by Alexander Siluayn, and Englished by L.P.; Epitomes des cent histoires tragicques. English Le Sylvain, ca. 1535-ca. 1585.; Pyott, Lazarus.; Munday, Anthony, 1553-1633, attributed name. 1596 (1596) STC 4182; ESTC S106976 248,629 426

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then Socrates who was put to death for no other cause But considering that Iustice alone is the soueraigne of al other vertues and ruleth all mortall wights because that without her none can liue in safetie especiallie seeing that without it the Commō-wealth is like vnto a body which being corrupted with euill humors doth with lanquishing pine away I haue neglected all other things especiallie to maintaine the same and you haue no cause to complaine on mee for setting as little by my life as by my goods Wherefore without answering anie further to your slanderous reproches trusting vnto the equitie of the Prince I doe freelie submit my goods honour and life vnto his most iust iudgement Declamation 32. Of those that would depose the King because he had lost the battaile IT is the custome of a certaine people that the men of warre doe chuse the King It happeneth that the said King doth lead his men vnto the warres where all his souldiors are ouerthrowne onely he with a verie small number escaped so that the Citizens and people are constrained to take arms to defend them from the conquerors and the better to performe the same they would chuse another king but the foresaid king resisteth them saying AS there is but one onelie God in heauen and one sunne to lighten the world so likewise cannot you haue two kings ouer you neither yet can you depose or change your king at your pleasure for the power of kings commeth of God which holdeth their hearts in his hand how dare you then but onlie thinke such a wickednesse as to be desirous to change or depose him who is annointed and chosen of God to raigne ouer you Did not Dauid put him to death which made his boast that he had slaine Saule And although that Dauid were already annointed king of Israell yet was king Saule not deposed vntill his death You saie that I haue gouerned the warres ill I denie it for I went thether my selfe and neither wanting valor nor skil I did valiantlie fight to the great endangering of mine owne person I haue not neglected my dutie in fighting but God hath giuen the victorie to the enemies wherefore would God haue preserued me from so great a danger vnlesse it were to manifest the especiall care that he hath ouer kings and that it were his pleasure that I should yet raigne ouer you And not another How dare you then imagine to change him whom he hath first giuen vnto you and then afterwards so miraculouslie preserued If you stand in doubt whether I deserue the dignitie or not the electiue voices of so manie valiant men which haue onlie iudged me aboue all the rest of this realme for the worthiest to be your king ought to assure you thereof but as hope dooth torment mens hearts no lesse then feare and other passions so some of you hoping to attaine vnto the kinglie dignitie haue not the patience to stay vntill it be void by my death whereby it plainlie appeareth that couetousnesse neuer iudgeth anie thing to be vnlawfull the people haue nothing to doe to depose their king but God by depriuing him of life who by his grace and for your good hath been pleased to saue me will you then contradict his will But although I had for want of skill beene the cause of our losse will you saie that you must needs chuse another that maie doe as much or worse He which hath once done amisse may when he beginneth again make amends but thankes be to God as I want not experience so haue I not failed to doe that which was requisit but it may be it was our sinnes that haue prouoked Gods wrath against vs who by our contrition and amendment of life is first to be appeased then he being mercifull vnto vs we shall not onlie be reuenged of our enemies but he will also giue vs power to subdue those that would oppresse vs yet that this shall be done vnder any other thē I whilst I liue I hope that good God will neuer suffer it seeing that to determine but such a matter were to heape sin vpon sin The Answere WE doe neither require two kings neither doe we desire to change our king for we haue none who made you king ouer vs are not they dead that chose you for their king You are then king ouer the dead Wherfore reason would that you should be sent vnto them When you were chosen we were Citizens now through your fault we are constrained to be souldiors It is the ancient custome that the men of war doe chuse the king we wil then chuse one Seeing that your selfe are the cause that we haue chaunged our qualitie what reason is there that you should remaine in yours Concerning the example of Dauid and Saule it nothing concerneth our matter for the greatest parte of euerie action consisteth in the time and place therefore it must be considered that as our time now is not the like vnto the time then so also that we are here and not in Palestine Moreouer we haue nomore Prophets to annoint the kings because God for our sinnes dooth no more elect kings by miracle wherefore it commonlie happeneth that the most wicked man attaineth to that dignitie and chieflie when the election remaineth in the power of the souldiours for sildome is there found anie equitie amongst those that follow the wars so that our miserie is lamentable seeing that your ambitious rashnesse compelleth vs of Citizens to become souldiours We know well to our great preiudice that you your selfe did goe vnto the wars but of your industrie valor and dutie no man beareth witnesse except your selfe but the widdowes and orphants of those whom you haue led vnto the slaughter with a far greater number can witnesse the contrarie and they doe affirme that you had great wrong to escape because so manie valiant men are lost through your default the which is more punishable then excusable To saie likewise that God hath preserued you by some his especiall prouidence it may verie well be because he would send you back hether to receiue punishment for your rashnesse by that spectacle somewhat to comfort the multitude of those whom you haue made miserable neither did the electiue voice of the souldiors chuse you as the best man of the land but as he that was most conformable to their desire and that would giue them the most libertie to doe ill for so were Otho Galba Vitelius and other harebrain men chosen by the souldiors for Emperors As for ambition and couetousnesse wherewith you accuse vs by presumption you doe euidentlie shew that it remaineth in you In saieng also that he which hath once done amisse becommeth afterwards more expert the same is doubtfull for euen in his first fault he sheweth that he wanteth iudgement and no man ought to presume to make himselfe cunning by the preiudice of so manie others and with no lesse then the hazard of a whole realme In