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A08899 A dialogue agaynst the tyrannye of the Papistes. Translated out of Latin into Englysse, by E.C.; Dialogus contra papistarum tyrannidem. English. Haddon, Walter, 1516-1572, attributed name.; Seres, William, d. ca. 1579.; E. C., fl. 1562. 1562 (1562) STC 19176; ESTC S120121 18,429 52

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which thinge alone as in a most deepe tombe Sepulcher the hole sence and sauour of al our religiō euen as y ● would say the soule of all godlines lieth hid The time would fa●…le me if I should recite the residue of all the detestable abuses of the Popish kingdome al which thinges yet custome hath made so familier vnto the vnskilfull cōmon people that scarce Or not at all they can be pulled from them But euen in like maner as they whose eyes be heauye laden with sleepe are lothe to be raised and would not by their wils loke vp to the light euen so a great parte of Christes Churche hauing slumbred and slept as it were by the meanes of Popy seede in the domme dregges traditions of the Romish Ceremonies do as yet rout in darknes when as the cleare light of the Gospell is offred to them they lepe back in an anger yea and are ready to fight for the matter to rather thē they would be drawen out of those mistye caues dongeons And now that god y ● father of all mercye hath raysed vp in this our time a certayn godly deuout cōpany of christian people who hauing respect vnto y ● primatiue church i which christ himself lyued w t his Apostles desire to call home again y e pure worshipping of god foūded in the gospel vsed of aūcient tyme and now many yeares omitted this Romish hell hoūd fareth as he were wood whetting his teeth casting out his thicke smoky threatnings shaking his fire brandes yea kicking spurning on euery side y ● he might not be cōstruined to go out of his murk den and maugre his head beholde the newe light of the Gospell But god shal raise vp an Hercules who shal pull this Cacus fatted pampred with the bloud of innocentes out of his nest draw he neuer so farre backewarde striue he and struggle he neuer so muche vnlesse he spedelye whiche wee looke not for shall correct and amend him self Cecin There is very smal hope of his amendmēt hitherto shewed In so much as his adherentes at this present be very sore bent against the light of y ● gospel vsing such cruelty as we can not remember y ● like For afore this time they were of the basest sort whom they medled withall pullinge vppe here and there one for the moste parte Again they proceaded against those that were accused by a certayn ordinary cours●… of the Popes lawe Nowe whole townes yea whole cities and almoste whole kingdomes be cōdempned The field is the place of iudgemēt the iudge is the sword or the halter The lawes be y ● proud presumpteous cōmaundementes of the Popishe potestates nothing is done by law nothing is done by order thei procede only by violence Wherfore either their ti ranny must be out of hand repressed or elles the Gospell muste needes quaile H●…l Naye sure vnles we take the better hede y ● gospel wil be quite ouerthrowē al y ● professours therof vtterly perish For sith y e Deuil hath fastened so depely euen in the bottom and roote of the popishe mindes the hatred of true religiō y ● his ministers cā find in their hartes to beseage their own Cities to slay their own Citizins to woūd their own bowels to be cruell vppon their owne bloud to be short to bring in forrein power and aid to ouerthrow their own natiue Countrie what trowe you wil they do to other which teare their own in peces What outrages will they make in straunge landes who so spoile and waste their owne countrey Cecin What then is best to be done or what shalbe thende of these miseries Heluid we must referre thend to God who wil maintain his owne quarel himself and defend his owne seruauntes though al the world al the diuels in hel say ▪ nay to it In the mean time we must loke y ● we lay good foundations and must dili gently way these matters Let vs then before al things cal vpō god the father his Christ our sauiour Let vs lift vp our handes to heauen Innocent hands I meane not bloudy pure handes not corrupted lowly not proud meke not cruell from thence let vs craue ayde where the prayers of the iuste be alwaies auaylable Moreouer since that the kingdome of Antichrist doeth thus conspire againste the trothe of Christes religion let vs lykewise agree amongst our selues to defende the gospell not to prouoke but to resist not to bring iniurye in but to driue it awaye not to offend any other mans estate but to preserue our owne to preserue oure owne liues and the liues of our Wyues and children For both nature commaūdeth and all lawe both of God and manne permitteth to resist open violence Mattathias that famous and worthy Captain when Antiochus Souldiers fierslye inuaded him and profaned al holye thinges being required to tast swines fleshe he put on armour and that vpon the Sabboth day transgressinge one commaundement to the intent he might kepe the rest And the fathers example folowed his Sonne Iudas Machabeus Since the y ● most noble famely had rather dye then eat the flesh of Swine how feruently ought we to be bent to maintaine and defend the pure light of the Gospel wherin god the father with our sauiour Iesus Christe is so liuely portiered e●…pressed that we haue nothing els to quiet our consciences withal The holy ghost in the gospel aloweth wages to Souldiars and also geueth preceptes howe they should liue And if so be any war at al be lawful surely that is lawful wherein thou dost not assault an other mans life but defendest thine owne thou doest not spoile other mens goods but preseruest thine owne Thou doest not seke a kingdom or dominion but to serue god and thy conscyence wherein there is ment no reuenge but necessity obeied For war is not to be taken in hād or al lowed but when ther can be foūd none other remedy els especially against a lawful maiestrate whom y ● holy ghost hath apointed to be had in such estimatiō y ● he ought no waies to be touched or misused Wherefore my talk tendeth nothing to him but to y ● extraordinary vprores of y ● Popes warriers whose gre dye appetites if by any lawful meanes they could be pacified I would prefer a hard peace before a iust war But sinc●… thei haue no respect to god non to their brethrē citizins none to their own na tiue coūtry if seruing a forrein priest they wil without y ● wil of their prince euē against a law oppresse al ▪ w t tiranny if none can be in rest for them vnles he first becom wicked if we must nedes eyther be ouerthrowen troden vnder fote of our enemies or els setle our selues to defēd I se no cause why in so vnnatural so cruel so manifest a violēce al honest means are not left vnto vs to prouide
A Dialogue agaynst the Tyrannye of the Papistes Translated out of Latin into Englyshe by E. C. 17. Septembris 1562. VV. S. A Dialogue agaynst the Tyrannye of the Papistes The speakers names Aul●…s Cecinna Cneus Heluidius Cecin HOwe goeth the woorlde Heluidius al well why are you thus sad and pensiue Heluidius I do well inough I thanke God my selfe Cecinna Marye in these so lamētable times wherin Sathan so rageth and his Ministers bestirre them w t fier sword most pitifully tormenting Chryst in his poore members spoilinge and murtheringe them by all meanes most cruelly how can any good man be eyther pleasant or mery Cecin It is verie true that you saye notwithstandinge we must haue pacience●…●…ithall For almighty God will wh●… 〈◊〉 seeth his time succoure his afflicted people and ouerthrowe with the breath of his mouth the Trowpes and bandes of our enemies be they neuer ●…tragious or many in number Heluid God wil assist in very dede those that be his and both hath alreadye done it doeth it daily How be it he doth not alwaies geue them the victory King Pharao he helde the Israelites long in captiuitye The Philistines vanquished them ofte in battaile Nabuchodonosor banished them out of their Countrey And Antiochus slew the people of god most lamentablye in the holye Temple offering them vp euen vpon the verye aulters for a sacrifice to their Idols Euen as therfore by reason of this destruction of Gods people and decaye of all good and godly thinges Moses Samuel Tobias Mathathias and a number of other good men made continuall mone and lamentacion So were it very hard for vs seing so many most constant men of god partly in great hazarde and daunger and part moste miserablye wounded lifting their handes vp to the heauens Not to haue oure hartes dieplie perced therwithall and to sighe and grone to our selfes for their so great calamities Which as we do now but onelye heare of so may we perhappes feele them ere it be longe our selues You are not ignoraunt howe that we are but verye lately by the speciall goodnesse of God crept out of the like miseries the burnt bones of oure owne people euen smoking well nere to this day Wherefore seing our enemies and those so nighe so cruell and so bloudy doe beginne as you would saye to thunder and lighten a fresh I can not but tremble quake for feare For howe will they spoile other Nations trowe you that so willingly spill their owne peoples bloud Cecin Your talke I wot nere how beginneth to make me very much afraide also it is so feareful and terrible But I pray you tel me Doe the papistes vse such cruelty still in Fraunce Heluid Yea truly in so much as their violence and tirannie doeth daily encrease more and more And hereof first and foremost maye the Towne of Wassy be a witnes Wherethorowe as the Duke of Guise passed with certeine bandes of armed men finding the people seruing of God with psalmes and hi●…es He commaunded his souldiars to set vpon the sely vnarmed creatures who wounded and slew the poore innocentes euen in the middest of their prayers Hereof may also be a witnes that same cruel yea that horrible and bloudye decree which all ages shal speake of and hate the remembraunce whereof al our posteritie shall detest and abhorre For it is a horryble and straunge kynde of crueltye to take those that be quiet and peceable citizins without cause complaint or yet suspicion of crime to hale and drag theim vp and downe the strete to stab them thorow with their weapōs to drown them in the riuers so to put them to most terrible execution euen onely for y ● they are thought to be professors of the gospel The for●…e of this most mōstrous edict diuerse god ly citizins of Paris felt and a nūber of other good people that dwelt there about which were most shamefully mur thered The riuer of Seyne felte it also ●…brued wyth y ● bloud of the dead that swam vp down the chanel and were caried with the streame from the town of Seyne to the City of Paris And no lesse did the Captaine of Abbeville fele the same of late whom together with his Sonne and certayne other Noblemen of his family these fierse and wicked bloude suckers by pretence of the said cruel edict mangled and murthered contrarye to all right and equitye Because thys worthye Gentilman a stout worthy gentilman in dede spake somwhat boldly frankly of an vnity agrement to be cōcluded betwirt them Besides this Rhoane that famous and florishinge Citye can witnesse the same Where the forte that was thon●…ly defence of the Citie was continually shaken with the roaring shot of y ● Cannon the Countrey about daily spoyled with Trowpes of horsmen the cityzens lay rounde about miserably slaine in defending their Countrey Neyther had this most worthy Citye stoode till this daye ne hadde ▪ there bene anye liuing creature left therein aliue vnles almightye God taking pitie vppon the besieged and distressed ▪ people hadde through the singular manhoode of the Citizins and Townes men putte the Daumale to the foyle that laye batteringe the walles compellinge him also at length for all his wrath and furie to depart with great dishonour But what talke I of the Duke Dawmale alone Let the rest of the princes and noble men be cowpled with him which be not onely felowes and cooperteners of hys factyon but also chyefe Authoures captaynes of this cruelty the Duke of Guise I meane the Constable and the Mareshall Saint Andrew who marchinge to the Towne of Bloys with moost terrible force of Warre full of threates and gaping after bloude met before they came to the gates a pitifull company of the Townes men fallinge downe vppon their knees before them offering them the keyes of their gates committinge them selues and all that they had into their handes criynge to them for morcye and humblye entreating them to spare their owne and the rest of the Citizins liues Howe be it these proude and stately Lordes besydes that they refused to heare the request of this meeke and miserable multitude added also to their bloudy pourpose most spitefull and bitter wordes Telling them that their Canons shuld serue in stede of keyes and wyth their swordes would make their entrye into the towne Wherin they deceiued them neuer a whit for both they bet downe their walles with their artillerye and put the townes men of al sortes some to most cruell and sodaine death being giltye of no offence at all but onely for that they had embraced that fourme of religion whiche was afore establyshed by a solemne Edict and decree made in the moneth of Ianuary last past And nowe to retourne againe to the Duke Daumale whose madnesse passeth all measure when as the naked and innocent inhabitauntes of Pont Du Mer laying awaye their weapons fell flat
common weales He seeketh all the corners he may to entre into you He thyrsteth after youre bloude and woulde if he wist howe roote quite out of the earth both your name al maner of remembraunce of you Whereunto he hath many assistauntes and also great aides and succoures of vyle and naughtye men And as for your selfes nexte vnto God ye haue this one onlye refuge left you or elles none at all Which is that ye loue together agree together holde and take parte together Ech of youre Nations seuered one from another the Romishe force maye easilye ouerthrowe but ioyned all surelye together it can neuer hurt Our life brethren thoughe it be an hundred yeare longe is in dede but a short and a miserable time as Iacob witnesseth of him selfe and this same being so vncertaine and so quickly run out to howe manye perilles of fortune besides is it subiect with how manye daungerous diseases also is it wasted Let vs therefore take bolde and stout stomackes vnto vs aduauncynge oure selues and lyftynge vppe oure heartes vnto heauen In a good quarrell it is better to dye manfullye then to yeld cowardlye And as for the goodnesse of the quarrell what eyther is or can be a better quarrell then that that is for the defence of vertue truth the Gospel Or how on the other side can there be a worse composition or yelding then when the truth shal yeld to lyes the light to darkenes and the eternall wisedome of God to mens traditions Thus haue I cōmunicated with you frend Cecinna all my griefes and cares so farre fourth as my busines woulde permit There is nought remaininge nowe behinde but that with most earnest prayers we cōmit our whole cause vnto God requiringe him to looke fauourablye vpon this his troubled and afflicted Churche hallowed with the precious bloude of oure Sauiour Iesus Christ that put their truste and confydence in him that liue as nere as mans frailtye wyll suffer accordynge to hys lawes that hang altogether vpon him and finallye do referre them selfes and all that they haue wholy to his singuler goodnes and mercy Arise O god and put to flight thine enemies They be thine ennemies and thine is the quarrell that we haue in hand It is for thy glory that we fight it is thy maiestye that oure aduersaries assaile and the honour of thy Godhead that they impech And though they pretende neuer so much the name of christ it is the Sea of Roome wherunto they would bringe and conuay all maner of honour and reuerence due to thy holye name We might easily be at one with them if we would suffer thy people to be plucked away from thy Gospel and to be fast bounde to their fond and wicked traditions winking also besides at the great slaughter of thy seruauntes In fine if we woulde forsake the true sound sincere and Apostolicke church woulde ioyne our selues to this same fonde fayned and counterfeit vysarr of the Romish church alto corrupted with supersticion defiled with most fowle errours But O most louinge Sauiour we can not departe from thee nor neuer shal Thou art Iesus Christ the sonne of god the father hauing the wordes of eternall life which we haue belieued We be thy shepe and therfore we heare thy voyce Thou art the true and only pastour of oure soules And therfore we acknowledge thee onlie as for that same hired shepehard of Rome we can not skill of him but doe rather hate him as a thiefe a murtherer because he entred not in by the doore but thrust him self in a by way This cruel and bloudye wolfe raungeth vppe and downe spoiling thy flocke Kepe him of O God represse his furye strayne his iawes with bit and bridle and tourne awaye at length his mischeuous bandes of souldiars from cutting our throtes Which doe nothing els but lye gaping to deuour vs and seke by all meanes they can to sucke the bloude of thy Lambes O father helpe thy children O Lorde assist thy seruauntes O God ayde thy people and thou O Sauioure succoure thy Supplyauntes and those that call vpon thee For we haue none other that fighteth for vs but thee onelye O Lord god and Iesus Christ thy sonne and our redemer who sitteth aboue in heauen on thy righte hande in glory euerlasting Cecin You haue made Heluidius a very good conclusion And where I esteamed you afore for youre learnynge and witte I shall from henceforth loue you for your godlynesse and religyon And now let vs ryse if you please for I must goe visite a frynd of myne that lyeth verye sore syck Hel. And I must to the Court to talcke wyth my frende C●… ¶ A Prayer Surge Deus Dextra seruos attolle cadentes c. VV. S. O God arise with thy right hand Lift vp thy fallinge flocke The wicked fende w t wrathfull moode Doth threatē sore this stock These irksome daies w t vprores fierce In feareful sort are toste With force is vertue rent and torne And fury armes an hoste Lawe opprest is laide full lowe And lust for lawe beares swaye And puffed pride with raging threates Against the skyes doeth braye But we thy ofspringe poore that care Taduaunce Christes glory due That do extoll thy blessed name With praise and honour true Afflicted are full sore and in A thousande perilles lyue And bloodye force doth on eche side From place to place vs driue Lo some the strangling rope doth kill Some Yron wheles do wrast Some are consumde in fierye flames Some into floodes are cast Here swordes there guns the tyrantes shake And force the fearful sound By sundry slaughters they make red With bloud the luke warme groūd What furye nowe O brethren dere Doth sturre these rancors woode From whence proceadth this gredye thirst And wish to spoyle our bloud One father we haue in heauen all One sauiour and no moo One flesh we be One name we beare One faith we haue also But mothers discorde alas for woo Doth breake the bandes of peace Out of thys spring these sundry illes To flowe still do not cease The mother which our god hath made In reuerence due we haue Whom christ to him as his dere spouse To couple did vouchsafe Out of whose brestes the prophets old Their wordes by sucking drue Whose infants were thaūcient troupe Of all the fathers true This spouse did Christ with tēder loue Bring vp when he was here To his disciples care was left Of this his spouse moste dere Of this mother did witnesse beare Thappostles euery one And whosoeuer Martir was In times that nowe are gone The keper of this spouse remaynth The sacred Bible olde Which without spot doth former faith In firme estate still holde This mother of corruption voyde In godly life did shine And had respect vnto her spouse Alwayes and to his line Holy gentle and milde she was A shamefaste faithfull wife And kept her dutye still in minde And loued vp right life In almes large forgeuynge all Of truth a perle moste pure Unmindfull of displeasures past But good thinges noting sure And to be short this mother first Of vertue founde the vayne And so she dothe a piller firme Of vertues life remayne Thother Romishe stepdame proude A mothers name hath got An ouglier monstrous beast then which The sonne nowe seeth not Putt vp with pride In lust she flowes And hunteth honours gayne No care of good nor feare of God There dothe in her remaine Smoky wordes and shadowes vayne Of thinges to sale she settes No godlynesse at all she hath But craftes that money gettes Lawes she dothe to her selfe appoint And breake them as she will Of gold a greedy gut she is And bribes deuoureth still Her to adore she all commaundth And flat on ground to fall Before her fight althoughe they beare The Princely mace and Ball. This misbegotten beast in bloude Of Saintes hath great delyte And doth the members wound of God With poysond mouth and spyte O father dere driue backe this wolfe Who with embrued Iawes Doth tug feare this scattered flocke And neuer hath full pawes We followe thee and eke thy spouse All thy preceptes we loue Our hope and helpe doth euer come From thy great Throne aboue O mighty God thy mercye great Us simple wretches kepe Thou art our only shephard chief and We thy flocke of shepe Loke down frō heauen disperse y ● rage Of all these Giantes proud For sacriledge is their desier Thy temples spoyle they haue voud And although we vnworthy be Yet worthy Christ beholde Who w t his bloud hath washed clean Our sores and festers olde The cruel stepdame frettes w c troupes Of vices compast round And vs thy seely sheepe she kilth No helpe at all is found O God caste downe thyne eyes vnto Thy seruauntes wracke not small And let the wicked armies force In midddes of threates downe fall Or let thy grace them all forgeue Their former fault nowe past So that we haue as once we had One mother at the last And thus of Saule there shalbe Paul Thus cruell warre shal ceasse And than shall folow wished rest Of ioyfull quiet peasse O that thou wouldst vs worthy think Of this league in our dayes O father O our god O one And three most worthy prayse FINIS The ●…a ter at 〈◊〉 ●…e Edict ●…clamed 〈◊〉 last Paris 〈◊〉 Towne ●…yne 〈◊〉 ●…ecourt Rhoan●… ●…oys Pont du 〈◊〉 A state in 〈◊〉 commen 〈◊〉 welth w●… in three 〈◊〉 haue equ●… aucthorit●… together Greece The Pap●… chief gro●… The goue ment of a Priest 〈◊〉 mon●…ous opi●…ons of the ●…pistes ●…uge Gi●… vvhome ●…rcules slue Italy Ma●…tathy Iudas Ma chabeu●… Engla●… The Q nes ma●… etrarch is ●…ler of a ●…arte of a ●…me manye vvychernde Denma●… Scotla●… thland●… ●…rayer ●…e Prima●… Church The R●… Churc●…