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A96932 Private-men no pulpit-men: or, A modest examination of lay-mens preaching. Discovering it to be neither warranted by the Word of God; nor allowed by the judgement, or practise, of the Churches of Christ in New-England. / Written by Giles Workman, M.A. and master of the Colledge School in Gloucester. In answer to a writing published by John Knowls. Workman, Giles, 1604 or 5-1665. 1646 (1646) Wing W3583; Thomason E354_9; ESTC R201096 26,327 32

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Prophets so are Prophets before ordinary Teachers So Mr. Cotton 4. Their gifts must be extraordinary because they were extraordinary Officers and the Scripture witnesseth the same Agabus one of the Prophets signified by the Spirit that there Act. 11. 27. 28. should be great dearth throughout the world Barnabas another Act. 13. 1. His gifts see Act. 14. 3. And this Chapter 1 Cor. 14. may evince this if it be denied for v. 6. speaking by Revelation and by Prophesying are the same as speaking by Knowledge and Doctrine are the same He that prophesieth doth it by revelation He that speaketh Doctrine doth it by knowledge Itaque haec non sunt quatuor sed duo siquidem prophetia est effectum Revelationis Doctrina verò notitiae i. e. Therefore Bez. in loc these are not foure but two for prophesie is the effect of Revelation doctrine of knowledge But I have some reason to think that our Writer will not deny Revelations to Prophets and I will spare my proof till it be denyed Lastly the use of these Prophets in the primitive times seems to be for the work of the Ministery in primordiis Ecclesiarum in Churches newly planted before an ordinary Ministery was setled which could not be suddenly Something of this we may see in the Ephesian Church which began with twelve men which twelve by Paul's hands received the gifts of tongues Act. 19. 6 7. and prophesie And doubtlesse these and such others to whom the Lord did impart the like gifts if any more such were in Ephesus afterward did prophesie or preach there untill Bishops were setled in that Church which we find to be done in Act. 20. 17. 28. the next Chapter And in this Church at Corinth we finde now many Prophets but I read not of any Bishops or Pastors among them perhaps they were not yet ordained there Out of all this we may thus describe the Prophets which the Apostle exhorts and commands to preach in this 1 Cor. 14. They were extraordinary Officers in the Church indued with extraordinary gifts superior to Pastors Teachers the ordinary Ministers of the Church ordained by God for the work of the Ministery in those primitive times so long as extraordinary miraculous gifts continued in the Churches For to continue extraordinary Officers in the Churches as Mar. 6. 13. Prophets c. in these times in which God granteth not extraordinary gifts is to do as wisely as the Papists who continue Iam. 5. 14. 1 Cor. 12. 28. Beza Unction when they have not the gift of healings Quorsum nunc symbolum si nusquam extat donum Mr. Cotton speaking of these Prophets at Corinth and saying they were not private members but men of extraordinary gifts saith As Kings at the time of their Coronation give many extraordinary Keys of the Kingd of Heav c. 5. large gifts which they do not daily in their ordinary government so Christ soon after his ascension poured out a larger measure of his Spirit then in times succeeding So that in his opinion private men may not practise these Corinthian-Prophets preaching because they have not their gifts which were a largesse at Christs Coronation for those but not for succeeding times Let the Reader now judge whether this description of Prophets be not to our purpose and whether we need be afraid to produce it Let us now see whether his definition of Prophets be to his purpose Kno. They are those that use their gifts to the edification and consolation of the Church Answ This offends in one main it doth not convenire soli for Pastors and Teachers do the same 'T is true Prophets by revelation 1 Cor. 14. 3. did use their gifts for that end and the ordinary Prophets Pastors and Teachers do so too For the end of the labours of all officers preaching both ordinary and extraordinary is the edification of the body of Christ Ephes 4. 1● Kno. Prophets are Lay-men this we say for these Reasons 1. Because the Apostle makes a difference betwixt them and men in office Rom. 12. 6 7. Answ We have already answered this that in two places of Scripture we find Prophets not differenced from but reckoned Ephes 4. 1 Cor. 12. among Officers And that in this place Rom. 12. the Apostle speaks of them as Officers Having different gifts saith Paul whether Way of the Chur of Chr. c. 2. S. 1. prophesic c. Gifts comprehending both offices and grace So Mr. Cotton Kno. 2. Because he exhorts all to desire to prophesie and all that can may use it and yet not all in office Neither will any one as I suppose say that the Apostle would have all officers fo● if they were all eyes where were the body Answ His Reason out of the Corinths is already answered That the Apostle would have all Preachers officers is that I in this whole Discourse defend That the Apostle would not have all men to be officers I agree with John Knowls and his reason is good t is the Apostles but not for him For is it not all one for the body to be all eyes and to have all the members do the office of the eyes And if the feet and hands can see their own way and direct the body too may not the eyes be well spared out of the head and no want of them especially if they might be otherwise usefully imployed for the good of the body But the eyes must see and the hands and feet do other work And Christ hath appointed in the Churches Officers to preach and do the work of the Ministery and private members to do other work their own work 1 Thes 4. 11. Beza makes another use of this Reason Ye may all prophesie 1 Cor. 14. 31. Omnes nimirùm prophetae ergo non quivis ex coetu imo non nisi ad prophetandi munus legitime ordinati Num enim ut idem ait alibi omnes sunt prophetae i. e. All namely Prophets therefore not every one of the congregation nay none but such as are lawfully ordained to the office of prophesying For as saith the same Apostle elsewhere are all Prophets So He. 1 Cor. 12. 19. There remains now not any one thing that I observe pertinent to the question in hand in Jo Knowls his writing unanswered Other things impertinent I shall do him and the Reader the courtesie to passe by Onely I must return answer to one demand The Minister speaking how needful the knowledge of Arts and Tongues were in a Preacher John Knowls demands Kno. Whether by Arts he doth understand the Art of Geometry Astronomy or the like or whether all Arts and for tongues whether it be the Welsh Irish Latine Greek or Hebrew or whether all tongues be required to make a man fit for prophesying Answ Somewhat to this scoffe Should a man come to an Artificers shop and scoffe at all his hammers files and tools the Artificer In this