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A85038 A Fuller answer to the moderatour, wherein his argument of advantage and disadvantage is so opened, as that he is laid open too, and made manifest to be an imposter, most grosly abusing king and kingdome. Worthy all men's observation, who, with an entire heart, wish peace to both. 1643 (1643) Wing F2487; Thomason E94_17; ESTC R13077 22,058 22

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strengthens his hand and heart to accomplish his bloody resolution Therefore we must think only of our duty and conclude to ASSOCIATE our selves against these sonnes of Belial for there is no pa●lying with them The Spring is now come a time of action and heare how the Moderatour prosecutes the Advantage on the Kings side M. The King hath those that are experienced in all the designes of Warre Intelligencers in the bosome of his Antagonists or else his Agents conjure he has them that serve him to make him Great let that passe though they will make their Master the most inglorious Prince in the world The Nobles and Gentlemen beare their own charges his Army can defend its selfe till the spring and what is likely to be done then let every man judge that considers his party abroad and almost in all Counties A. Why do's the Moderatour leave it to every mans judgement whenas every man cannot judge charitably The Kings good people will thinke as charitably as possibly they can That he who is the Sheapheard of his people the King is called so I know not how often in sacred and in other books That he will not persist to hurry and spoile the Sheepe over whom God has made him a Shepheard It is enough and too much that he hath so done this winter His good people can hardly thinke That he who is the Father of his Countrey will seek all means to destroy his people whom he should respect as his Sons and Daughters Nor that he whom God hath made King hath set upon his own Throne will endeavour with his own hands to lay his own Kingdome waste to make his Eden a wildernesse Nor that he whom God has made the Head over a great people will spye out what Port is open thereby to take-in instruments of cruelty wherewith to teare the whole body because he is pleased to call some members there opposers His good people will hope as charitably as possibly can be That their King will understand his place and Office there That ruling over men he must be just ruling in the 2 Sam. 23. 3. feare of GOD Equity and justice must shine in him even as the Sun when it is at the highest whereof poor and rich may take refreshing he must be as the morning when the Sun riseth even as the morning without Clouds Thus his poore people will hope concerning him for a Prince that wanteth understanding is also a great oppressour c Pro. ●8 16. his people will think as charitably as possibly they can concerning their King and these matters notwithstanding what the Moderatour speaks to the contrary he sayes M. And it is a fond thing certainely to think his Army can want Ammunition having any Port open or that it will want money more then the other If the Kingdom hath it the Souldier will not be without it if it have not they must feed on free cost A. Here we may take a full view of the Kings Army not so terrible for multitudes as they are for injustice and violence in their hands they carry their right on their Swords point they spoile and lay waste according to the power in their hands and so have a great advantage indeed of those who must walke by rule This is enough to fray us into a Peace as I have seen some fray Sheep into the water For now that the Spring is come and such expectation of Forragne help to take part and joyn with his Forces here Surely now if there be not a Port and refuge open and GOD be praised that is alwayes open we will lay down our weapons now and make Peace with the Devill for so we may as the Answerer has told us upon as good termes as with this party which the Moderatour hath so fully described unto us and discovered before us viz. That rob and pillage and lay all waste wherever they come And now that the Spring is come they expect supplies from the Popes side who wait this Advantage That those angry people and as skilfull to destroy may joyn Forces with the Kings Armies here to maintaine the established Religion that is the pretence and the Protestation too the Laws and Liberties of this Kingdome after they have laid all waste and destroyed the Kings good people there And this is the Party with whom we would accomodate a Peace God say it not unto our charge But to the thing in hand Here we have all the Advantages on the Kings side And surely a man directed by reason cannot tell what to say unto all this But there is one Port alwayes open a Refuge whereunto the LORDS people can continually resort in assured confidence That GOD who remembred Noah and every living Gen. 8. thing and all the Cattell that was with him will remember His people also He that remembred the Beasts will remember the Sheep of His pasture He will have a speciall and peculiar eye to them who have held fast to the publike good and to their GOD and are resolved so to demeane themselves That man shall not be able more then to call them opposers Certainely the Lord will remember these The proud waters threatned to goe over their soules The floods have lifted up O LORD they have lifted up their voice the floods lift up their waves i. e. The wicked are exceeding proud and so they speake and doe as if they could doe what they have a will to doe against those whom they shall call opposers The LORD on high is mightier then the noise of many waters yea then the mighty waves of the Sea i. e. The LORD is above them And though the LORD be so high yet hath He a respect unto the lowly Though I walke in the midst of trouble Thou wilt revive me Thou shalt stretch forth Thine Hand against the wrath of mine enemies and thy right hand shall save me saith the Ps 1●8 7. Church And it is the Anchor of their hope sure and stedfast Therfore now that the Spring is come this people are not afraid with any amazement now that the Adversary by his fraud and cunning is turning the Peace as they have turned Religion and Law all to the most pernicious and cursed abuse Now are Gods people turning themselves to GOD They put no trust in a syllabl● but in GOD Who is of more Advantage to His people then are the Armies of Men and Devils against them He is GOD of Hosts Power and wisedome ar● His A a Neh. 4. 14. Great GOD and terrible a discovering GOD Let Israel say so He that told Elisha the words that were spoken in the Kings Bed-chamber b 2 King 6 12. He revealeth the deep and secret things He knoweth what is in the darknesse and the light dwelleth in Him c Dan. ● 22. His servants need not conjure their God is a discovering God Israel must say so Jacob though a worme is not afraid now no not at all
turne the Law to the most necessary use I pray what is that for I would faine know the use of the Law He tells us to the destruction of King and Kingdome it is just so when cunning crafty Lawyers will turne the Law which is a strait Rule when they will turne it and biasse it at their pleasure it is to the destruction of King and Kingdome that all may be wiped as a Man wipes a dish turning it upside downe So I say it is when the Law is turned for let the Law goe on its 2 King 21. 13. course it tends directly to the salvation of the King and Kingdome These cunning Lawyers then so crafty in all the windings of State are great Knaves I will speake it againe and great Robbers for they steale away the supporters of the Kings Throne and by turning the Law that sweet blessing into gall and wormewood they lay waste his Kingdome Is he a Thiefe that picks my pocket or breakes open my doores That he is the Law tells me so he is a thiefe what is he then that steales away the Kingdomes chiefest tre●sure its birth-right and layes open the frontiers of the Kingdome to Beasts like themselves Robbers and spoilers skilfull to destroy The Law assureth us that these are Thieves Robbers rather This puts me ●● mind of a pretty distinction between Fur a Thiefe and Prado a Robber The Fur is he who picks your pocket or your house takes away your Oxe or your Ass● does you some private injury This Praedo a Robber is he who robbs a whole Nation and what in hi● lyes ruines a whole Kingdome It minds me also what a poore little Thiefe told Alexander the great I steale some petty matters from some private men Thou dost spoile and rob whole Kingdomes I am poore and am quickly taken off and short by the neck thou art mighty and canst breake through but so it comes to passe That great Thieves send little Thieves to the gallowes and these we have met with here Men versed and cunning in the Law that know how to turne it to the most necessary use sayes the Moderatour to the most pernicious abuse say we and to the greatest disadvantage of King and Kingdome Now we may discerne what peace we shall have of this Parties making when these are the agents for an Accomodation proud ambitious busie men taken off from the publike good by favour and promises and made to turne head and taile against GOD His Truth and Peace When Spirituall Lords are agents for Peace whom the Land have sp●ed-out because they have taken Peace from the earth and now they would accomodate a Peace that they might thrust themselves into their places againe there to murther more soules as if their iniquities that way were not yet full When Achitophels are agents for Peace Men cunning and crafty in all the windings of State and so know how to turne the Law to the most pernicious abuse And when corruption is used also to fetch-in some eminent Engeneers some great Officers and most popular Men. I aske againe what kind of Peace will this be which this Party will Accomodat We need not guesse we can answer punctually to the matter A peace that has no respect to the honour of GOD to the glory of His Anointed none at all No regard to Truth to Holynesse none at all A Peace which will be as a Sword in the bones of the Righteous because thereby the Name of the LORD will be blasphemed Doe we doubt of this Looke againe upon the Kings Party whom he reckons on his side and are of his Counsell here proud Men ambitious busie Men Spirituall Lords cunning subtill crafty in all the windings of State and know how to turne the Law as they have turned Religion to the most necessary use We need no more They that are so cunning to turne the LAW of GOD and Man as they please know as well and are as skilfull to turne the Peace as well for it is as ductill through their hands as the Law is they can and will bias that also to their own ends the dethroning the LORD CHRIST and inthroning the Pope and his Prelats the setting up their Dagon the furthering their Party their desperate and bloody designes From a Peace made up by these men and by their meanes such a pack of knaves and their knavery good Lord deliver us Amen say all that know what they say and they know their GOD will doe it Their GOD and Prince of Peace will not give His people such a Peace so packt-up for they will give their LORD no rest for this thing that they may have a Peace of His giving and bequeathed unto them by their PRINCE of Peace Amen From these premises well thought upon we can commune with our own hearts and argue the Case as men that have sense left them and are directed by reason As for any higher principle we will not seeme to reach after it or care for it We will reason with our selves according to our common capacity as reasonable men Thus we reason They that hold fast to the publike good the common faith of the Kingdome these are called Rebels and Traitours and are so dealt with and injured according to the power in the hand The Law which is every mans Master and the common Treasury which dispenseth to every Man his right is turned to the destruction of King and Kingdome They who oppose with all their might the Lawes of GOD and Man are accounted good Men and Subjects They that oppose these and withstand their desperate and bloody designes are called opposers Directed by reason what is to be done now certainely it is not questionable not a matter to be parlied on whether a free people shall stand up for their own lives their Wives and children against mercilesse and bloody Adversaries who delight in proud wrath Directed by reason we cannot stand to parle about this for know we not yet that our Canaan is destroyed We Exod. 10. 7. have the same reason now as once Israel had when their Right eyes a 1 Sam. 11. 2. were demanded and afterward the Jewes b Esth 9. when designed to destruction the same reason I say to ASSOCIATE our selves there is no other way To Assemble our selves to stand up every man in his place for our lives that we may doe unto those whom the Lawes of GOD and Man call opposers as they would doe and have done to their power against them whom the King and his party call opposers for no other reason then as was said of a Poore man oppressed by the mighty because they will not receive the Adversaries whole Qui totum telum in corpus non recipisset Cic. de Fimb●●â Sword blade hilts and all into their bodies We may stand looking one upon another consulting the way how to Accomodate a Peace when in the meane time the contrary party gaines Advantage and