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his_o hand_n or_o foot_n last_o if_o it_o be_v a_o work_n contrary_a unto_o the_o natural_a affection_n of_o man_n &_o effect_v that_o which_o a_o love_a hart_n do_v tremble_v to_o think_v upon_o then_o must_v it_o need_v follow_v that_o it_o be_v to_o be_v proceed_v unto_o only_o in_o the_o case_n of_o great_a extremity_n &_o after_o that_o all_o other_o mean_n have_v be_v use_v and_o do_v appear_v not_o to_o prevail_v the_o latter_a point_n which_o be_v that_o excommunication_n may_v not_o be_v do_v by_o one_o man_n proposiion_n but_o by_o the_o eldership_n the_o whole_a church_n consent_v thereunto_o be_v hold_v by_o we_o t._n c._n book_n 1._o page_n 183._o discipl_n ecclesiast_fw-la 130._o etc._n etc._n and_o deny_v by_o they_o whitgift_n page_n 662._o and_o their_o continual_a practice_n but_o our_o assertion_n be_v thus_o prove_v and_o their_o opinion_n and_o practice_n find_v to_o be_v erroneous_a and_o ungodly_a 1_o that_o which_o christ_n command_v to_o be_v do_v by_o the_o church_n may_v not_o be_v do_v by_o one_o man_n unless_o you_o take_v my_o l._n grace_n for_o the_o church_n as_o whitgifte_n do_v page_n 662._o which_o need_v no_o confutation_n but_o christ_n command_v that_o excommunication_n shall_v be_v do_v by_o the_o church_n matth._n 18._o 15._o therefore_o it_o may_v not_o be_v do_v by_o one_o man_n 2_o that_o which_o paul_n enjoin_v the_o church_n when_o they_o be_v meet_v together_o to_o do_v may_v not_o be_v do_v by_o one_o man_n but_o he_o command_v they_o to_o excommunicate_v the_o incestuous_a person_n when_o they_o be_v meet_v together_o 1._o cor._n 5._o 5._o therefore_o it_o may_v not_o be_v do_v by_o one_o man_n 3_o that_o which_o have_v need_n of_o great_a advice_n and_o great_a authority_n may_v not_o be_v do_v by_o one_o man_n but_o
a_o contention_n testimony_n of_o gennerall_n counsel_n 14_o it_o be_v meet_v that_o you_o shall_v have_v power_n theoâ—doret_n both_o to_o choose_v and_o to_o give_v their_o name_n that_o be_v worthy_a to_o be_v among_o the_o clergy_n and_o to_o do_v all_o thing_n absolute_o according_a to_o the_o law_n &_o decree_n of_o the_o church_n and_o if_o it_o happen_v any_o to_o die_v in_o the_o church_n than_o those_o which_o be_v last_o take_v be_v to_o be_v promote_v to_o the_o honour_n of_o he_o that_o be_v dead_a if_o they_o be_v worthy_a and_o if_o the_o people_n choose_v they_o 15_o let_v the_o people_n choose_v 2._o and_o the_o byshopp_n approve_v and_o seal_v up_o the_o election_n with_o they_o 16_o in_o a_o epistle_n to_o damasâ—us_n ambrose_n etc._n etc._n say_v we_o have_v ordain_v nectarius_n bishop_n of_o constantinople_n etc._n etc._n 14._o the_o whole_a city_n decree_a the_o same_o and_o flavianus_n be_v appoint_v bishop_n of_o antioch_n the_o whole_a city_n appoint_v he_o 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to_o the_o citizen_n 24_o let_v the_o people_n say_v otho_n the_o emperor_n choose_v and_o i_o will_v approve_v it_o octavi_fw-la the_o testimony_n of_o the_o new_a writer_n 25_o the_o new_a writer_n as_o muscuâ—us_o in_o his_o common_a place_n in_o the_o title_n of_o magistrate_n bullinger_n upon_o 1._o tim._n 4._o calume_n institut_fw-la book_n 4._o chap._n 3._o sect_n 15._o harmon_n confess_v heluet._n cap._n 18._o &_o many_o other_o be_v on_o our_o side_n in_o this_o behalf_n 26_o if_o there_o be_v none_o that_o write_v against_o it_o but_o the_o papist_n and_o no_o argument_n use_v against_o it_o but_o those_o which_o be_v borrow_v out_o of_o the_o popish_a writer_n then_o do_v it_o belong_v to_o the_o church_n to_o choose_v their_o own_o church_n officer_n but_o the_o former_a be_v true_a as_o all_o that_o do_v read_v they_o that_o write_v of_o this_o argument_n do_v know_v and_o as_o be_v manifest_a by_o compare_v pighius_fw-la hosius_n etc._n etc._n with_o whitgift_n therefore_o the_o latter_a be_v true_a also_o therefore_o see_v the_o interest_n of_o the_o church_n in_o choose_v of_o their_o church_n officer_n 212._o be_v ground_v upon_o the_o word_n of_o god_n both_o in_o commandment_n and_o continual_a practice_n both_o in_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n see_v it_o be_v warrant_v by_o the_o light_n of_o common_a reason_n see_v it_o be_v commend_v unto_o we_o by_o the_o manifold_a practice_n of_o all_o ancient_a time_n so_o long_o as_o any_o sincerity_n remain_v not_o only_o in_o the_o time_n of_o persecution_n but_o also_o of_o peace_n see_v it_o have_v be_v confirm_v by_o so_o many_o general_a counsel_n and_o ratify_v by_o the_o decree_n of_o so_o many_o emperor_n see_v it_o have_v such_o a_o cloud_n of_o witness_n both_o of_o ancient_a and_o latter_a time_n of_o the_o best_a approve_a writer_n see_v none_o do_v set_v themselves_o against_o it_o but_o the_o papist_n or_o they_o that_o invade_v it_o only_o with_o the_o same_o weapon_n that_o be_v fetch_v out_o of_o the_o pope_n armoury_n it_o must_v needs_o follow_v that_o it_o belong_v unto_o the_o church_n to_o choose_v their_o church_n officer_n and_o that_o the_o take_v away_o of_o this_o freedom_n abridge_v the_o liberty_n that_o christ_n have_v endow_v his_o church_n withal_o and_o bring_v she_o into_o great_a bondage_n as_o musculus_fw-la true_o affirm_v their_o objection_n against_o those_o thing_n be_v these_o 1_o objection_n they_o be_v then_o under_o the_o cross_n few_o in_o number_n and_o therefore_o it_o be_v easy_o know_v who_o be_v fit_a answer_v the_o gospel_n be_v disperse_v through_o out_o all_o asia_n africa_n and_o much_o of_o europe_n and_o they_o can_v less_o keep_v together_o or_o meet_v and_o therefore_o that_o make_v rather_o for_o us._n 2_o objection_n we_o have_v many_o hypocrite_n to_o who_o it_o be_v dangerous_a to_o commit_v such_o weighty_a action_n answer_v it_o be_v true_a that_o we_o have_v many_o but_o it_o be_v a_o principle_n in_o hypocrisy_n to_o be_v forward_a in_o such_o public_a action_n that_o they_o may_v get_v fame_n thereby_o 3_o objection_n they_o have_v knowledge_n to_o do_v it_o but_o our_o people_n be_v ignoranteâ—_n answer_v we_o shall_v also_o find_v our_o people_n to_o have_v knowledge_n if_o they_o have_v teach_v but_o howsoever_o they_o choose_v they_o can_v have_v worse_o then_o ordinary_o be_v choose_v by_o the_o â—ishops_n and_o patron_n 4_o objection_n the_o church_n be_v not_o then_o establish_v answer_v that_o be_v untrue_a for_o though_o it_o want_v the_o help_n of_o magistrate_n yet_o the_o apostle_n can_v and_o do_v better_o establish_v without_o they_o than_o we_o can_v with_o the_o help_n of_o they_o but_o if_o this_o order_n may_v be_v alter_v it_o have_v be_v fit_a then_o for_o now_o the_o magistracy_n may_v compound_v though_o difference_n of_o the_o elder_n which_o help_v then_o they_o lack_v 5_o objection_n drunkard_n papist_n etc._n etc._n will_v choose_v they_o that_o be_v like_o themselves_o and_o we_o know_v the_o best_a dispose_v be_v always_o the_o few_o answer_v such_o be_v not_o of_o the_o church_n but_o without_o 1._o cor._n 5._o 12._o and_o therefore_o be_v not_o to_o meddle_v in_o any_o holy_a action_n but_o if_o the_o people_n shall_v choose_v a_o unmeete_a man_n the_o eldership_n that_o govern_v the_o action_n be_v to_o reform_v they_o beside_o this_o if_o god_n order_n have_v her_o place_n the_o school_n of_o the_o prophet_n will_v send_v they_o none_o for_o the_o minister_n especial_o to_o make_v choice_n of_o but_o meet_v man_n that_o whosoever_o they_o take_v he_o shall_v be_v find_v sufficient_a 6_o objection_n paul_n command_v 1._o tim._n 5._o 22_o to_o lay_v his_o hand_n on_o no_o man_n rash_o therefore_o one_o do_v it_o answer_v he_o teach_v what_o to_o do_v for_o his_o part_n and_o though_o other_o will_v be_v rash_a yet_o he_o shall_v not_o join_v with_o they_o in_o it_o as_o appeareth_z in_o the_o latter_a end_n of_o that_o same_o 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and_o give_v warning_n aforehande_v how_o to_o resist_v he_o but_o he_o that_o be_v able_a to_o teach_v etc._n etc._n therefore_o none_o may_v be_v admit_v into_o the_o ministry_n but_o he_o that_o be_v able_a to_o teach_v etc._n etc._n 8_o he_o that_o lead_v himself_o and_o his_o people_n into_o hell_n may_v not_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o ministry_n he_o that_o be_v not_o able_a to_o teach_v and_o convince_v the_o gainsayer_n lead_v himself_o and_o his_o people_n into_o hell_n matth._n 15._o 14._o therefore_o he_o that_o be_v not_o able_a to_o teach_v etc._n etc._n may_v not_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o ministry_n 9_o he_o that_o preach_v not_o but_o hold_v his_o peace_n depaâ—â—_n murder_v 10_o he_o that_o preach_v not_o 33_o be_v not_o send_v and_o so_o he_o beget_v no_o faith_n in_o man_n 11_o in_o that_o s._n paul_n require_v that_o a_o bishop_n shall_v be_v wise_a oecumenium_n he_o bar_v those_o that_o under_o the_o name_n of_o simplicity_n excuse_v the_o folly_n of_o minister_n 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reason_n follow_v 1_o as_o church_n officer_n be_v ordain_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n so_o must_v they_o be_v continual_o for_o they_o do_v lay_v the_o plot_n according_a whereunto_o the_o church_n must_v be_v build_v unto_o the_o end_n but_o they_o be_v ordain_v in_o the_o apostle_n time_n by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o eldership_n act._n 6._o 6._o &_o 13._o 3._o therefore_o the_o church_n officer_n must_v be_v ordain_v by_o lay_v on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o eldership_n 2_o church_n officer_n must_v be_v ordain_v by_o they_o that_o have_v warrant_v from_o the_o word_n to_o assure_v the_o party_n ordain_v that_o they_o be_v call_v of_o god_n only_o the_o eldership_n have_v such_o a_o warrant_n 1._o tim._n 4._o 14._o therefore_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v ordain_v by_o the_o eldership_n 3_o many_o of_o the_o sentence_n allege_v before_o out_o of_o counsel_n emperor_n law_n history_n &_o sound_a writer_n both_o old_a and_o new_a for_o election_n not_o to_o be_v 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