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A65695 The absurdity and idolatry of host-worship proved, by shewing how it answers what is said in scripture and the writtings of the fathers, to shew the folly and idolatry committed in the worship of heathen deities : also a full answer to all those pleas by which papists would wipe off the charge of idolatry, and an appendix against transubstantiation, with some reflexions on a late popish book called The guide in controversies / by Daniel Whitby ... Whitby, Daniel, 1638-1726. 1679 (1679) Wing W1719; ESTC R39040 107,837 157

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to reiterate either of them 2. Because saith he a person who after his Ordination in the Church Catholick Non sunt rursus ordinandi sed sicut Baptismus in eis ita Ordinatio mansit integra qua in praecisione erat vitium non in Sacramentis quae ubicunque sunt ipsa vera sunt Ibid. becomes an Heretick must not at his return to the Church be Re-ordained and therefore neither must he be Re-ordained who hath received Ordination out of the Church Catholick and hence it is saith he that if any Bishops of the Donatists are won over to the Church and it doth seem convenient that they should bear the same Offices which formerly they did they are not by the Church Ordained but as their Baptism so their Ordination remains intire By this determination the Doctors of the Roman Church are generally swaied so that there is saith Bellarmine Bell. 1.4 de Rom. P●ntif C. 10. § at emtra scarce any Catholick who knows not that they who are Baptized by Hereticks are Baptized truly and they that are Ordained by Hereticks are Ordained truly when the Heretick that Ordains is truly a Bishop at least as to his Character § VIII 2. That the Ordination made by those Hereticks who really were or by the Church have been condemned as Idolaters or persons guilty of more hainous crimes when these Ordainers were true Bishops was esteemed valid by the Church the same Learned Person hath demonstrated Desence of his Discourse part 2. Chap. 4. p. 795 798. 1. From the judgment of the second Nicene Council in the Case of Meletius who was ordained by Arian Bishops and whose Ordinations were accounted valid by an Alexandrian Synod in their Synodal Epistle Eccles Hier. l. 2. cap. 10. § 9 which saith Petavius contains the faith received in the whole Church Catholick and in the Synodal Epistle of the first Nicene Synod which saith Petavius Idem App. To. 3. Eccl. Hier. l. 2. c. 3 § 4. determined that they who were constituted and confirmed by mystical imposition of hands should be received into the Communion of the Church and enjoy their functions with these provisions that they should be in every Church and Parish after those Bishops and Presbyters which were ordained by Alexander Bishop of Alexandria that they should have no power of electing whom they pleased nor of propounding of the names of those whom they thought fit to be chosen into the body of the Clergy 2. This he doth prove from a fuller testimony of the general sense of the Church of that age Hist Eccles l. 1. c. 28. recorded by Ruffinus concerning the admission of those who had received orders from the Arian Bishops to the exercise of their Priestly Office with which decree of the Alexandrian Council about the receiving the Arian Bishiops and Priests upon disowning their Heresie Adv. Lucifer init though Lucifer did quarrel yet Jerom saith that it was universally received by the Church This will be farther evident from the 7. Canon of the second General Council of Constantinople and from the 95. Canon of the Synod held at Trullo in both which Canons it is determined that the Arian Baptism should be esteemed valid Contra Epist Parmen lib. 2. c. 13. Sess 23. c. 4. Synod Ephes Epist ad Theod. Vale t Imperat Act. Synod cap. 7. Audemus Anathematizare Nestorii Idololatriam in homine 2 Nic. Concil Act. 7. Epist ad Constantinum Iren. Act. 1. p. 68. E. Haer. 80. n. 3. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 10 Act. 1. p. 72. E. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Act. 1. p. 77. E. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Act. 4. p. 236. A Act 6. p. 357. B. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Act. 1. p. 77. C. Act. 3. p. 160. D.E. and not to be reiterated and therefore as S. Austin doth infer they must esteem their Ordination also valid and not to be reiterated Because in the Sacrament of Orders as well as Baptism saith the Tret Council an indelible Character is impressed Moreover That the Nestorians were Idolaters hath been declared by the Church and yet their Ordination by the same Church hath been accounted valid saith the second Nicene Council That the Massaliani or Euchytae were worshippers of the Devil Epiphanius doth inform us and yet their Ordinations were allowed by the third General Council of Ephesus and it was there decreed saith the Second Nicene Council that as many of their Clergy as would renounce their Heresie and return to the Church should remain in the number of the Clergy Concerning the Heresie of the Iconoclasts it is determined by the members of the Second Nicene Council that it is 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 the worst of evils and of vHeresies What shall we esteem them saith Tarusius who sitbvert Sacred Images They must be counted saith the Synod as Atheists Jews and enemies of the truth They who reject them are like to Jews and Samaritans faith the same Synod and again if the making of Images be likened to Idols the mystery of our redemption is made void saith the same Council and yet this very Council doth determine that even these very persons who confessed that they were born and bred up in this worst of Heresies should be admitted into the Order of Priesthood which they had formerly received and doth accordingly admit them Moreover from the Trent Council I thus argue that power which is not Temporary and therefore never can be taken away continues with Idolatrous Priests and Bishops as well as with other Hereticks but according to the definition of the Trent Council that power which is given in the Sacrament of Orders impressing on the receiver an indelible Character never can be taken away For so they do expresly testifie in these words Because in the Sacrament of Order as well as Confirmation and Baptism a Character is impressed In Sacramento ordinis Character imprimitur nec delert auferri po Sess 23. 4. which neitehr can be blotted out nor taken away N.B. This holy Syned justly condemneth their opinion who hold that Priests of the New Testament have only a temporary power Lastly agreeable to this determination of the Trent Council is the determination of the Schools for that every Bishop is a Minister of Scred Orders is so true saith Estius In Sent. l. 4. dist 25. § 3. that no Crime how enormous soever as Heresie Schism Apostacy nor any censure how weighty soever as V.G. that of Excommunication can hinder the validity of any Ordination made by such a person even out of his own Jurisdiction provided he observe the due rites of Ordination in things essential to that Sacrament This doctrine saith he is sufficiently confirmed by the continual practice of the Church which never reordained any who returned from any Heresie or Schisin whatsoever in which they were ordained Men saith Petavius De Eccl. Hier. l. 2. Cap. 9. § ● may be deprived of the Communion of the Church of