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A65074	Sermons preached upon several publike and eminent occasions by ... Richard Vines, collected into one volume.; Sermons. Selections	Vines, Richard, 1600?-1656.	1656 (1656)	Wing V569; ESTC R21878	447,514	832

is rendred in the same Epistle that they do fully know the life conversation of every man And therefore it is e Diatrib cap. 11. injudiciously spoken that ordination necessarily follows election for an irrational or meer arbitrary dissent when no just exception could be put in bar against a man could no more hinder a mans ordination then such a peevishnesse now a-days can hinder the marriage of one whose name is publisht in the congregation Ab ordinatoribus plebs docenda non sequenda saith Caelestinus The cloze of this point might well have beene an Apology for speaking so much of it in this place had not the Text led me to say something and the necessity of the times together with the present occasion constrained me to this prolixity For the office of the Ministery and the power thereunto belonging are very much undervalued and laid very low by many who differing among themselves in principles doe as in a common interest joyn together to cry downe and degrade them In order to a two-fold liberty The one is the liberty of prophesying or preaching as any man is able to set up the trade in opposition to which they conceive the Ministers do stand for their own livings and power sake The other is the liberty of their lusts and ways of loosenesse and these are such upon whom the feare of the Ministery is fallen whose Spirit cannot bear too free reproofe nor their courses a too close observation And hence it is that some of them having learning doe set their wits on worke to rout this office and the power thereof by bafling the evidences of the word and endeavouring to dispute the Scripture out of doores which though God hath not pleased to deliver Systematically in a way of absolute precept or demonstrative clearnesse in every particular yet ought to be regarded in the hints and consequences and implications which afford foot-hold to a good conscience and not to be out-wrangled for our ends and lusts sake as being the becke of that great God who is able to becken us all into nothing others that calculate by the Ephemerides of policy doe discover or imagine future inconveniences which may arise from the indiscretion passion weakenesse of the Ministers and if they will but goe on to play that Cannon a little further they shall find it will batter and overthrow all Magistracy or any goverment that is managed by men others whose tongues are sharper then their arguments fall foule upon the ministry and poure treble contempt upon it in lieu of double honour never was ministry more blessed and witnessed unto from heaven by the successe and fruitfullnesse of it in bringing in and bringing up a people unto God though some of their chickens are caught and carried away by kites or have forsaken them as duckes forsake the hen that hatched them never more contemned That which the f Collat. Carthag 3. Donatist objected sometime to Austin is now rife againe tu quis es Filius es Ceciliani an non who ordained you you are the brat of Cecilian are you not whom they pretended to be a traditor or to have given up the holy Scripture to the fire so they say to the Ministers whose sons are you is not your pedigree by lineall descent from Antichrist is not he the top of your kin he that hath but halfe an eye may see the reason why the Wolves would have the Sheep to quitt their dogs The ministry if encouraged and supported to doe their duty will be next under the Parliament who we hope will doe theirs the greatest bulwarke or banke against the inundation of errour haeresy and blasphemy whose increase is the occasion of this humiliation It is the lot of the Ministers of the reformed Churches to be grund betweene two Mil-stones in the first reformation the popish Champions fell pell-mell upon the calling of the a Non missi non vocati non consecrati Bristow m●tiu Ministers of the reformed Churches pretending it to be null ac proinde nulla ecclesia and consequently saith b Non ab episcopis ordinati ac proinde nulla ecclesia Greg de Valentia Tom. 4. disput 9. qu●st 3. punct 2. in sine Gregory de Valentia the Churches no Churches because they were not ordained by Bishops The same conclusion is now undertaken That the present Ministers in this Church are not lawfull Ministers upon a medium quite contrary that is because they were ordained by Bishops nor are those who are ordained by Presbyters in much better account with the objectours for they are in the same line of pedigree being but once more removed from the stocke great-grandchildren to the Pope The cauills of the Papists have been long agoe laid to sleepe by the answers of c Mornay of the Church chap. 11. Sadrel de legitim ●ocat Minister reform 〈…〉 Minist Anglica●● learned men who have distinguisht betweene the corruptions in the persons ordaining or in the fieri of ordination and the substance and validity of ordination in facto esse and the very same answers which were made for the first reformers and the Ministers ordained by them are of as full force for the Ministers now in being with us and the Ministers ordained by them nor can our Ministery fall by this argument now used against us without the fall of all ministery in the Churches of Christ in all times and places where Bishops had a hand in ordination and if the Scripture doe settle the power of ordination in a Presbytery or in the Elders of the Church it can never be made good that a Bishops hand who is also a presbyter being joyned with others can anull the ordination as neither is Baptisme a nullity because administred by a Bishop and haply with some corrupt ceremony used in the administration thereof I proceed to the second point which I will touch but breifly and reserve the use of both and of that which followes untill the close of all Doctrine 2 These false teachers are they that bring in damnable Heresies Tertull de praescript Stuprant veritatem adulterio haeretico They defloure the truth by haereticall adultery not onely those that teach without commission but such as have a calling to teach doe by doctrines of errour bring in damnable haeresies as it s said Acts. 20. 30. Also of your own selves shall men arise speaking perverse things to draw Disciples after them-They called Paul because he was a zealous teacher of the Gospell a ringleader of the sect of the Nazarens Acts. 24. 5. 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 signifies one that is the first man of the ranke it is a military word and I wish that our military men had not transfused errour into the severall parts of our body If it be said that many of those who are charged with teaching of errours or haeresy are holy men I answer that a holy man cannot easily be a haeretick nor are all the errous of

appointed by him that hath appointed the office that there is a separation of men thereunto or manner of their constitution ordination that is a potestative mission as some expresse it and then the modus is to be inquired into as touching which it is argued that ordination by imposition of hands as contradistinguisht from the election of the people is not essential to the māner of entrance Essentiall is a great word Baptisme the Lords supper are not essentiall to the being of a Christian or to salvation so as the privation of them should damne the soule and yet are of excellent use and cleare institution It may suffice that there is so much in the word for ordination as that the way of the word in that case is neither to be laid aside nor receded from nor maimed The engine planted for battery and overthrow of ordination is the election of the people that is the idipsum wherein the separation of a man to the ministry doth consist and yet we read of a separation unto God for the worke of the ministry by fasting prayer and imposition of hands without any election of people Act. 13. 1. 2. I am of b Lib. de repeccl 2. cap. 2. parag 12. Spalato his minde that this was not a separation to an office which Paul and Barnabas before had not but that it was a separation unto God 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 for the worke of the Ministry is cleere enough and what was that worke but the preaching of the word and ordaining of elders Acts. 14. 23. 24. 25. 26. If any man can shew throughout the New-Testament that any did impose hands for separation of men to the office or worke of the ministry but onely such as were in office themselves Apostles Evangelists Eldership and these Teachers and Prophets at Antioch or that the election of the people is the id ipsum of separation let it be done or let us have lesse dictating and lesse begging for by the way let me tell you wee live in the beggarliest age that ever was I meane for begging of the question And if the meere election of the people be sufficient what neede was there that the Apostle should leave Titus in Crete for this cause that hee might ordaine Elders in every City Titus 1. 5. For if it be said that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 that thou mightest ordain be no more then that thou mightest looke on while the people did it Then why may not Pharaoh of whom it is said 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 hee constituted Joseph Governour over Aegypt bee said to looke on only while the people did it And what need was there that Paul and Barnabas should be separated and sent forth to ordaine Elders in every Church Acts 14. 23. If the Churches election had beene the id ipsum of ordination And why are the characters and qualifications of Elders and Bishops given and described to Timothy and Titus 1 Tim. 3. Tit. 1. Not so much to the people by which they should proceede in their elections as to them who were appointed to ordaine them that they might not lay on hands suddenly 1 Tim. 5. 22. In which place laying on of hands as 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 with the Hebrews is put for ordination and so is not election by the people any where found to be As for Cases and instances of a people cast up in some remote Island or the like may not they chuse a Minister and he perform the office without ordination such cases may bee formed to overthrow any common rule or law of Ministery or Magistracy either It 's said that an a Exceptio firmat regulam in non exceptis exception strengthens a rule overthrows it not for then there could be no rule of any thing because every rule hath some exception set the Heteroclites by themselves and let the rule stand If David eate the Shew-bread or the Levites performe that office which belongs to the Priests 2 Chron. 29. 34. with Levit. 1. 6. in case of necessity there is no more can be said but necessitas quod cogit defendit that which necessity commands it defends That the holy Ghost was given by the imposition of the Apostles hands I say the Apostles Act. 8. 18. is true but no argument against laying on of hands by the Eldership in ordination for there were divers reasons and occasions of laying on of hands besides in ordination and other hands were laid on in ordination than could give the holy Ghost The Levites had imposition of hands a Fagius in Chald. paraph. in locum tanquam in sacrificium Numb 8. 10 11. as upon a sacrifice dedicating them to God and his service And so in the New Testament it was used for separation of men to the worke or office of the Ministery but there is no miracle wrought nor is the holy Ghost given nor any inward grace The word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 grace seems somewhere to be put for office as Rom. 1. 5. b See Rom. 1. 5 15. 15 16. Gal. 2. 9. Grotius Beza Dieu 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Grace and Apostleship that is the grace of Apostleship in this sense as Beza saith if that 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or grace be taken 1 Tim. 4. 14. Then may it be said to be given with imposition of the hands of the Presbytery As for election by the people which is by some cryed up as the All in All in this point though I have nothing to say against the lawfullnesse of it where it 's duely conditioned yet if any shall plead the necessity of it as essentiall to the calling of a Minister I should not stick to say that there is clearer evidence in Scripture for ordination of Ministers by imposition of hands then for election by the people That word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Acts 14. 23. out of which it is expiscate after a man hath made the best of it will leave him to beg the question for there appeares in it no act of the Church at all but whatsoever it signifies it refers wholly to Paul and Barnabas who did 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 ordaine Elders for the Disciples and therefore without endangering not only the sense but the grammer of the Scripture can no more referre to the people then c Diatrib p. 6. page 10. he that affirmes that it may can prove Luke to bee an Apostle as he stiles him I deny not that Cheirotonia in the d 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Zonar in Can. 1. original and first rise of the word signifies a giving vote or suffrage by stretching forth the hand or an election manifested by that signe but the use of words not the Etymology must rule their interpretation and it is past all question that the Greeke Heathen Authours doe use this word 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 generally to e 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 Hesych constitute appoint ordaine as is observed