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transgression_n just_o thus_o i_o have_v hear_v that_o one_o who_o be_v late_o send_v into_o another_o world_n argue_v in_o the_o pulpit_n that_o he_o read_v of_o unity_n but_o never_o of_o uniformity_n ergo_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o do_v it_o indeed_o follow_v that_o ordination_n may_v be_v repeat_v because_o we_o do_v not_o find_v those_o word_n one_o ordination_n in_o scripture_n why_o if_o we_o have_v read_v of_o one_o ordination_n ordination_n may_v have_v be_v repeat_v notwithstanding_o for_o it_o be_v not_o therefore_o unlawful_a to_o repeat_v baptism_n though_o upon_o other_o account_v the_o repetition_n of_o it_o be_v sinful_a because_o it_o be_v say_v one_o baptism_n for_o the_o unity_n there_o speak_v of_o be_v not_o numerical_a but_o specifical_a one_o be_v as_o much_o as_o common_a to_o all_o non_fw-la respicitur_fw-la say_v vossius_fw-la in_o his_o thesis_n de_fw-fr anabaptis_n unitas_fw-la usurpationis_fw-la sed_fw-la unitas_fw-la partium_fw-la substantialium_fw-la aquaeâ—sc_fw-la &_o verbi_fw-la but_o as_o i_o say_v that_o ordination_n may_v have_v be_v iterable_a though_o we_o have_v read_v of_o one_o ordination_n so_o i_o say_v that_o though_o we_o read_v no_o such_o word_n as_o one_o ordination_n it_o may_v be_v uniterable_a and_o that_o it_o be_v so_o will_v appear_v by_o the_o argument_n use_v in_o the_o letter_n and_o other_o suggest_v to_o mr._n h._n if_o his_o answer_n to_o they_o or_o to_o any_o one_o of_o they_o prove_v unsatisfactory_a the_o first_o argument_n he_o bring_v against_o himself_o be_v that_o of_o scandal_n which_o he_o thus_o propound_v p._n 24_o 25._o many_o brethren_n do_v think_v it_o unlawful_a to_o be_v ordain_v again_o and_o by_o see_v such_o a_o one_o as_o mr._n h._n reordained_n will_v be_v embolden_v to_o do_v so_o likewise_o which_o if_o they_o do_v whilst_o they_o believe_v or_o doubt_n it_o to_o be_v unlawful_a they_o perish_v and_o when_o we_o sin_n against_o the_o brethren_n and_o wound_v their_o weak_a conscience_n we_o sin_n against_o christ_n to_o this_o he_o answer_v that_o if_o a_o man_n who_o be_v satisfy_v of_o a_o thing_n as_o indifferent_a and_o lawful_a must_v yet_o forbear_v upon_o the_o account_n that_o by_o his_o example_n other_o may_v be_v embolden_v to_o the_o same_o who_o have_v not_o that_o knowledge_n do_v judge_v it_o unlawful_a and_o so_o sin_n if_o they_o do_v it_o then_o be_v the_o way_n of_o poor_a christian_n the_o lord_n know_v very_o straight_o and_o that_o he_o be_v through_o grace_n something_o enlighten_v to_o judge_v that_o a_o man_n may_v sometime_o do_v much_o good_a in_o lead_v a_o example_n to_o the_o doubtful_a when_o a_o thing_n be_v become_v necessary_a p._n 26._o this_o argument_n be_v none_o of_o i_o &_o therefore_o it_o need_v not_o much_o trouble_v i_o what_o become_v of_o it_o nevertheless_o i_o think_v not_o meet_v to_o pass_v it_o over_o without_o acquaint_v you_o a_o little_a with_o my_o thought_n concern_v it_o 1._o methinks_v that_o of_o mr._n rutherford_n in_o his_o treatise_n of_o scandal_n p._n 53_o 54._o have_v a_o great_a deal_n in_o it_o viz._n we_o read_v not_o of_o scandal_n culpable_a in_o god_n word_n but_o there_o be_v some_o moral_a reason_n in_o they_o if_o there_o be_v no_o probable_a reason_n to_o imagine_v there_o be_v sin_n in_o re-ordination_a i_o can_v not_o be_v under_o obligation_n to_o abstain_v from_o it_o for_o fear_v of_o offend_v my_o brother_n therefore_o do_v i_o not_o forbear_v to_o turn_v up_o the_o hourglass_n or_o to_o wear_v a_o gown_n when_o i_o preach_v because_o there_o be_v not_o any_o apparent_a moral_a reason_n why_o either_o the_o one_o or_o the_o other_o shall_v scandalize_v both_o the_o glass_n and_o the_o gown_n be_v of_o mere_a civil_a use_n and_o have_v no_o moral_a influence_n in_o my_o preach_n for_o i_o use_v and_o may_v use_v my_o glass_n and_o my_o gown_n in_o read_v a_o humanity_n or_o philosophy-lecture_n to_o fresh_a man_n 2._o i_o do_v also_o judge_v that_o of_o 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a_o humble_a and_o peaceable_a but_o yet_o earnest_a perition_n to_o the_o king_n most_o excellent_a majesty_n may_v have_v prevent_v all_o this_o necessity_n of_o re-ordination_a 2._o he_o may_v do_v well_o to_o weigh_v this_o whether_o he_o do_v before_o he_o take_v order_n a_o second_o time_n endeavour_v to_o satisfy_v those_o brethren_n about_o he_o that_o be_v like_a to_o be_v scandalize_v by_o that_o his_o practice_n for_o many_o thing_n may_v be_v lawful_o do_v after_o we_o have_v give_v a_o reason_n and_o labour_v to_o prevent_v stumble_v which_o can_v not_o else_o be_v do_v without_o sin_n he_o proceed_v p._n 28._o to_o that_o which_o be_v indeed_o the_o main_a argument_n against_o re-ordination_a which_o he_o thus_o propound_v ordination_n be_v that_o which_o according_a to_o divine_n do_v give_v a_o man_n
administer_v christ_n baptism_n after_o john_n as_o there_o be_v to_o administer_v john_n baptism_n after_o circumcision_n a_o sacrament_n not_o specifical_o different_a from_o baptism_n of_o this_o the_o learned_a vossius_fw-la speak_v succinct_o and_o clear_o pro_fw-la diversa_fw-la fidelium_fw-la aetate_fw-la potuit_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la initiationis_fw-la variare_fw-la fidelium_fw-la enim_fw-la alii_fw-la rediderunt_fw-la in_o christum_fw-la venturum_fw-la alii_fw-la in_o eum_fw-la qui_fw-la veniret_fw-la &_o quasi_fw-la in_o via_fw-la esset_fw-la alii_fw-la in_o eum_fw-la qui_fw-la jam_fw-la venisset_fw-la primis_fw-la instituta_fw-la fuit_fw-la circumcisio_fw-la alteris_fw-la baptisma_fw-la johannis_n tertiis_fw-la baptismus_fw-la christi_fw-la i_o have_v do_v with_o the_o main_a body_n of_o mr._n humfrey_n diatribe_n and_o must_v now_o consider_v of_o two_o or_o three_o straggle_a argument_n which_o may_v seem_v to_o some_o not_o altogether_o to_o want_v weight_n page_n 56_o 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he_o nothing_o mr._n humf._n shall_v have_v thus_o propound_v his_o question_n whether_o from_o paul_n circumcise_n of_o timothy_n a_o irrefragable_a argument_n may_v not_o be_v draw_v to_o prove_v that_o in_o order_n to_o the_o propagation_n of_o the_o gospel_n it_o be_v lawful_a to_o use_v the_o outward_a rite_n or_o ceremony_n of_o a_o abolish_v jewish_a ordinance_n have_v he_o so_o propose_v it_o i_o shall_v not_o have_v count_v myself_o oblige_v to_o return_v any_o other_o answer_n but_o this_o that_o the_o question_n be_v no_o way_n pertinent_a to_o the_o matter_n in_o hand_n for_o 1._o ordination_n be_v not_o a_o abolish_v ordinance_n 2._o we_o be_v not_o call_v to_o the_o bare_a rite_n or_o ceremony_n of_o this_o ordinance_n the_o question_n be_v not_o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o let_v the_o bishop_n lie_v his_o hand_n on_o my_o head_n but_o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a to_o let_v he_o lay_v his_o hand_n on_o my_o head_n with_o this_o form_n of_o word_n receive_v thou_o the_o holy_a ghost_n or_o with_o any_o other_o form_n of_o word_n the_o purport_n whereof_o be_v to_o confer_v the_o ministerial_a power_n which_o i_o already_o have_v 2._o he_o produce_v the_o authority_n of_o doctor_n baldwin_n the_o professor_n of_o witten_n who_o put_v the_o case_n whether_o one_o ordain_v by_o the_o papist_n may_v be_v again_o ordain_v by_o we_o though_o he_o maintain_v there_o be_v no_o necessity_n why_o he_o shall_v so_o be_v reordained_n yet_o thus_o determine_v quod_fw-la si_fw-la quis_fw-la existimat_fw-la se_fw-la tranquillius_fw-la svo_fw-la in_o nostris_fw-la ecclesiis_fw-la officio_fw-la perfungi_fw-la posse_fw-la si_fw-la etiam_fw-la nostris_fw-la ritibus_fw-la ad_fw-la sacrosanctum_fw-la ministerium_fw-la utatur_fw-la nihil_fw-la obstat_fw-la quin_fw-la ordinationem_fw-la a_o nostris_fw-la accipere_fw-la possit_fw-la non_fw-la enim_fw-la eadem_fw-la est_fw-la ratio_fw-la ordinationis_fw-la quae_fw-la baptismi_fw-la qui_fw-la iterari_fw-la non_fw-la potest_fw-la hoc_fw-la enim_fw-la sacramentum_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la illa_fw-la autem_fw-la externus_fw-la tantum_fw-la ritus_fw-la lib._n 4._o c._n 6._o case_z 6._o 1._o suppose_v but_o not_o grant_v that_o baldwin_n be_v full_o for_o he_o yet_o gregory_n a_o more_o venerable_a author_n be_v against_o he_o sicut_fw-la baptizatus_fw-la semel_fw-la iterum_fw-la baptizari_fw-la non_fw-la debet_fw-la ita_fw-la qui_fw-la consecratus_fw-la est_fw-la semel_fw-la in_fw-la eodem_fw-la iterum_fw-la ordine_fw-la non_fw-la debet_fw-la consecrari_fw-la epist_n lib._n 2._o epist_n 32._o there_o be_v a_o tract_n among_o the_o work_n of_o st._n cyprian_n entitle_v de_fw-fr operibus_fw-la cardinalibus_fw-la christi_fw-la pamelius_n say_v it_o be_v he_o or_o some_o other_o as_o ancient_a as_o he_o our_o learned_a james_n from_o a_o book_n he_o meet_v with_o in_o all-soul_n library_n think_v it_o be_v make_v by_o arnoldus_fw-la bonavillacensis_n who_o live_v almost_o twelve_o hundred_o year_n 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