preach_v and_o hear_v when_o man_n forbid_v we_o we_o shall_v do_v it_o peaceable_o and_o inoffensive_o but_o do_v it_o notwithstanding_o for_o his_o advice_n to_o the_o people_n i_o can_v approve_v it_o yet_o do_v it_o not_o reach_v our_o case_n for_o he_o advise_v to_o conformity_n for_o the_o present_a with_o express_a mention_n of_o their_o hope_n of_o a_o further_a reformation_n which_o we_o be_v out_o of_o all_o hope_n that_o ever_o our_o clergy_n will_v yield_v to_o in_o beza_n resolution_n of_o a_o case_n mention_v by_o the_o dr._n p._n 23._o i_o desiderate_a one_o cause_n of_o separation_n from_o a_o church_n to_o wit_n impose_v unlawful_a term_n of_o communion_n unless_o either_o this_o be_v comprehend_v under_o the_o right_a use_n of_o the_o sacrament_n that_o he_o mention_v or_o such_o withdraw_a be_v not_o proper_o a_o separation_n but_o a_o be_v drive_v away_o sect._n 34._o he_o say_v this_o advice_n of_o beza_n put_v a_o effectual_a stop_n to_o the_o separation_n i_o find_v no_o such_o thing_n in_o history_n but_o rather_o the_o contrary_n the_o same_o opinion_n he_o cit_v of_o gaulter_n ep_n dedicat_fw-la in_o homil_n ad_fw-la 1._o ep._n ad_fw-la corinth_n &_o zanchie_a ep_n lib._n 2._o p._n 391._o where_o gualther_n complain_v of_o the_o lie_v and_o prejudices_fw-la against_o the_o church_n of_o england_n i_o wish_v it_o have_v not_o be_v lie_v write_v by_o that_o party_n that_o make_v he_o write_v so_o and_o zanchie_a be_v even_o for_o ministerial_a conformity_n it_o be_v a_o easy_a thing_n to_o gather_v scrap_n and_o sentence_n out_o of_o man_n write_n that_o represent_v they_o as_o speak_v what_o they_o never_o think_v and_o nothing_o be_v more_o ordinary_a with_o this_o author_n than_o to_o persuade_v himself_o at_o least_o to_o endeavour_v to_o persuade_v his_o reader_n that_o all_o the_o world_n be_v of_o his_o opinion_n it_o be_v enough_o to_o we_o in_o this_o matter_n that_o the_o reform_a divine_n beyond_o sea_n do_v not_o use_v the_o ceremony_n but_o have_v condemn_v they_o and_o that_o on_o such_o ground_n as_o make_v they_o unlawful_a to_o be_v use_v to_o wit_n that_o they_o be_v vain_a worship_n addition_n to_o the_o word_n of_o god_n the_o symbol_n of_o popish_a idolatry_n etc._n etc._n and_o if_o notwithstanding_o of_o all_o this_o any_o of_o they_o will_v persuade_v we_o to_o use_v they_o their_o doctrine_n do_v hinder_v we_o to_o obey_v their_o advice_n which_o we_o look_v on_o as_o a_o overlash_n of_o charity_n to_o the_o then_o good_a bishop_n of_o england_n who_o be_v labour_v to_o reform_v the_o church_n from_o popery_n sect._n 35._o he_o tell_v we_o next_o sect._n 7._o of_o a_o new_a generation_n of_o fierce_a nonconformist_n the_o peaceable_a one_o be_v wear_v out_o it_o be_v not_o unusual_a for_o adversary_n to_o represent_v true_a zeal_n as_o fierceness_n but_o if_o there_o be_v undue_a forwardness_n among_o they_o we_o defend_v not_o the_o fault_n of_o man_n but_o the_o truth_n of_o god_n which_o 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the_o protestant_a religion_n but_o desire_v that_o the_o reformation_n may_v be_v more_o through_o by_o lay_v aside_o some_o of_o the_o remainder_n of_o popish_a superstition_n former_o overlookt_v i_o wonder_v why_o the_o dr._n shall_v startle_v so_o much_o at_o their_o complain_n of_o the_o liturgy_n bishop_n and_o archbishop_n the_o way_n of_o câ—lling_v their_o clergy_n the_o ceremony_n annex_v to_o the_o sacrament_n which_o be_v the_o grievance_n by_o these_o admonition_n lay_v before_o the_o parliament_n with_o a_o humble_a petition_n for_o redress_v of_o they_o see_v he_o know_v that_o these_o be_v the_o very_a thing_n that_o our_o controversy_n be_v conversant_a about_o and_o though_o all_o these_o be_v not_o the_o ground_n of_o our_o withdraw_n from_o their_o worship_n yet_o all_o of_o they_o be_v such_o thing_n as_o we_o be_v grieve_v with_o and_o desire_v a_o reformation_n of_o that_o he_o call_v they_o bold_a and_o groundless_a assertion_n be_v a_o more_o bold_a and_o 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except_o it_o be_v to_o send_v it_o a_o new_a coat_n sect._n 9_o the_o dr._n tell_v we_o of_o mr._n cartwright_n yea_o and_o all_o protestant_a church_n approve_v of_o this_o but_o will_v he_o say_v that_o they_o be_v for_o exclude_v the_o parent_n which_o be_v the_o very_a thing_n that_o we_o controvert_v for_o as_o the_o dr._n confess_v can._n 29._o ordain_v that_o parent_n need_v not_o be_v present_a and_o that_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v admit_v to_o answer_v that_o be_v they_o must_v not_o undertake_v for_o the_o instruction_n and_o education_n of_o their_o own_o child_n but_o say_v he_o the_o parent_n be_v to_o provide_v such_o as_o be_v fit._n i_o desire_v to_o know_v what_o warrant_n be_v for_o this_o even_o from_o sound_a reason_n who_o can_v be_v so_o fit_a by_o his_o opportunity_n and_o care_n as_o the_o parent_n and_o if_o he_o be_v whole_o unfit_a as_o to_o understanding_n and_o respect_n to_o true_a religion_n we_o be_v not_o against_o his_o have_v a_o deputy_n in_o 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from_o christ_n reason_v with_o they_o he_o all_o along_o make_v a_o distinction_n between_o god_n command_n and_o their_o tradition_n which_o they_o may_v easy_o have_v object_v against_o if_o they_o have_v pretend_v a_o command_n of_o god_n for_o the_o thing_n that_o they_o by_o tradition_n impose_v sect._n 10._o in_o order_n to_o the_o prove_v his_o opinion_n in_o this_o matter_n he_o say_v p._n 339._o that_o the_o reason_n of_o christ_n oppose_v the_o pharisee_n be_v not_o because_o a_o thing_n in_o itself_o unnecessary_a be_v determine_v by_o their_o superior_n but_o because_o of_o the_o superstitious_a opinion_n that_o the_o pharisee_n have_v about_o these_o wash_n here_o be_v a_o wrong_a state_n of_o the_o question_n hint_v we_o never_o quarrel_v with_o superior_n for_o determine_v a_o thing_n in_o itself_o unnecessary_a we_o know_v they_o may_v determine_v this_o time_n and_o that_o place_v of_o worship_n and_o yet_o neither_o of_o these_o in_o itself_o be_v necessary_a see_v another_o time_n or_o place_n may_v do_v as_o well_o but_o the_o question_n be_v whether_o superior_n may_v determine_v a_o thing_n that_o be_v not_o at_o all_o needful_a to_o be_v determine_v as_o the_o habit_n gesture_n etc._n etc._n and_o appropriate_v this_o their_o determination_n to_o religious_a worship_n that_o so_o it_o shall_v be_v do_v in_o worship_n though_o it_o be_v not_o so_o do_v in_o other_o action_n and_o this_o without_o warrant_n from_o the_o lord_n who_o we_o worship_n his_o proof_n that_o the_o pharisee_n be_v condemn_v only_o because_o of_o their_o superstitious_a opinion_n and_o if_o this_o only_o be_v not_o understand_v by_o the_o dr._n he_o speak_v not_o to_o the_o point_n in_o hand_n be_v two_o from_o the_o force_n of_o our_o saviour_n reason_v thus_o than_o he_o argueâ—â—_n p._n 340._o he_o prove_v that_o they_o set_v up_o their_o tradition_n above_o the_o law_n of_o god_n as_o in_o the_o vow_n corban_n the_o force_n of_o which_o argument_n extend_v to_o 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dr._n the_o pharisee_n think_v a_o man_n conscience_n defile_v if_o he_o do_v not_o observe_v the_o tradition_n as_o appear_v by_o christ_n subsequent_a discourse_n show_v what_o it_o be_v that_o defile_v a_o man_n and_o what_o not_o a._n this_o they_o think_v only_o because_o they_o have_v put_v these_o thing_n in_o that_o state_n by_o their_o tradition_n but_o never_o teach_v that_o these_o thing_n will_v have_v defile_v the_o man_n if_o there_o have_v be_v no_o such_o tradition_n and_o do_v not_o our_o brethren_n think_v that_o omit_v the_o ceremony_n now_o enjoin_v defile_v a_o man_n do_v they_o not_o think_v the_o nonconformist_n have_v need_n of_o repentance_n and_o pardon_n for_o their_o nonconformity_n if_o they_o think_v not_o so_o why_o do_v they_o so_o blame_v and_o prosecute_v they_o the_o dr._n conclude_v p._n 341._o that_o the_o main_a thing_n in_o question_n be_v whether_o this_o ceremony_n of_o wash_a hand_n can_v be_v omit_v without_o defile_v the_o conscience_n otherwise_o say_v he_o our_o saviour_n conclusion_n do_v not_o reach_v the_o question_n this_o be_v a_o great_a mistake_n though_o it_o be_v no_o hazard_n to_o our_o cause_n to_o grant_v it_o for_o this_o question_n be_v but_o consequential_a to_o another_o to_o wit_n whether_o the_o church_n have_v power_n to_o institute_v ceremony_n such_o as_o christ_n have_v not_o institute_v and_o then_o charge_v people_n with_o sin_n and_o not_o keep_v a_o good_a conscience_n for_o not_o observe_v they_o this_o be_v the_o main_a question_n as_o appear_v by_o his_o reprove_v they_o for_o make_v such_o tradition_n and_o for_o bring_v the_o commandment_n of_o man_n into_o god_n worship_n our_o saviour_n conclusion_n that_o he_o speak_v of_o to_o wit_n his_o discourse_n about_o what_o defile_v a_o man_n be_v not_o the_o thing_n he_o first_o intend_v to_o prove_v to_o wit_n by_o his_o reprove_v they_o for_o their_o tradition_n for_o the_o conclusion_n of_o that_o argument_n be_v that_o man_n ought_v not_o to_o teach_v for_o doctrine_n the_o commandment_n of_o man_n i._n e._n institute_v in_o worship_n what_o christ_n have_v not_o institute_v but_o this_o discourse_n about_o what_o defile_v a_o man_n be_v a_o consequence_n draw_v from_o that_o conclusion_n to_o wit_n that_o thing_n so_o forbid_v may_v be_v forbear_v without_o sin_n and_o that_o it_o be_v transgress_v of_o god_n command_n not_o of_o man_n that_o defile_v the_o conscience_n wherefore_o there_o be_v no_o ground_n for_o what_o the_o dr._n say_v that_o christ_n condemn_v they_o not_o mere_o with_o respect_n to_o the_o command_n of_o superior_n understand_v a_o command_n of_o superior_n bring_v into_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n what_o be_v not_o institute_v by_o god_n otherwise_o it_o reach_v not_o our_o question_n for_o condemn_v the_o tradition_n of_o man_n be_v a_o condemn_v mere_o with_o respect_n to_o
by_o lawful_a authority_n man_n who_o be_v zealous_o and_o godly_a affect_v may_v not_o with_o any_o good_a conscience_n approve_v they_o use_v they_o or_o as_o occasion_n require_v subscribe_v to_o they_o let_v he_o be_v excommunicate_v ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la and_o not_o restore_v until_o he_o repent_v and_o public_o revoke_v these_o his_o wicked_a error_n the_o dr._n have_v a_o subtle_a distinction_n here_o between_o but_o affirm_v which_o term_n mr._n b._n have_v use_v and_o affirm_v one_o will_v think_v that_o affirm_v and_o no_o more_o add_v to_o it_o signify_v no_o more_o than_o but_o affirm_v but_o the_o dr._n say_v that_o affirm_v signify_v these_o circumstance_n which_o according_a to_o the_o common_a sense_n of_o mankind_n do_v deserve_v excommunication_n viz._n that_o it_o be_v do_v public_o and_o obstinate_o what_o ground_n the_o dr._n have_v for_o this_o criticism_n i_o know_v not_o i_o be_o sure_a his_o citation_n out_o of_o augustine_n that_o a_o man_n be_v bear_v with_o 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3_o another_o answer_n that_o the_o dr._n bring_v against_o this_o plea_n be_v pag._n 368_o 369._o where_o he_o tell_v we_o of_o the_o opinion_n of_o canonist_n that_o such_o a_o excommunication_n be_v but_o a_o commination_n and_o can_v affect_v the_o person_n till_o a_o sentence_n be_v past_a apply_v it_o to_o he_o and_o that_o man_n under_o such_o excommunication_n be_v not_o oblige_v to_o execute_v it_o against_o themselves_o by_o withdraw_v from_o the_o church_n i_o shall_v not_o contend_v about_o this_o though_o one_o will_v think_v that_o such_o excommunication_n as_o he_o describe_v be_v rather_o ipso_fw-la jure_fw-la than_o ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la and_o that_o excommunication_n ipso_fw-la facto_fw-la bring_v one_o under_o the_o sentence_n as_o soon_o as_o the_o fact_n be_v commit_v but_o to_o let_v that_o pass_v this_o excommunication_n declare_v what_o we_o be_v to_o expect_v and_o the_o frequent_a yea_o general_a execution_n of_o it_o put_v most_o part_n out_o of_o capacity_n 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not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o our_o case_n but_o for_o private_a man_n excommunicate_v for_o falsly-imputed_n crime_n not_o for_o any_o thing_n of_o their_o faith_n for_o he_o bid_v they_o keep_v the_o true_a faith_n without_o separate_a meeting_n sect._n 5._o our_o author_n proceed_v in_o the_o end_n of_o page_n 371._o and_o forward_o to_o consider_v another_o plea_n make_v for_o separation_n to_o wit_n scruple_n of_o conscience_n which_o i_o think_v none_o do_v make_v the_o sole_a ground_n of_o separation_n but_o they_o have_v a_o ground_n for_o their_o scruple_n if_o that_o ground_n be_v good_a it_o will_v warrant_v the_o scruple_n and_o the_o separation_n too_o if_o not_o it_o can_v do_v neither_o and_o therefore_o i_o shall_v not_o insist_v on_o this_o as_o a_o plea_n distinct_a from_o what_o i_o have_v already_o defend_v i_o suppose_v the_o author_n that_o mention_v it_o intend_v no_o more_o than_o i_o say_v only_o they_o may_v rational_o maintain_v that_o a_o scruple_n not_o 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of_o puritan_n p._n 102._o he_o show_v that_o the_o same_o canon_n be_v now_o nine_o year_n after_o ratify_v by_o parliament_n the_o bishop_n begin_v to_o urge_v subscription_n more_o severe_o than_o before_o which_o make_v many_o dissenter_n keep_v their_o private_a meeting_n in_o field_n word_n their_o friend_n house_n etc._n etc._n and_o may_v not_o one_o rational_o think_v that_o the_o jesuit_n may_v in_o their_o own_o way_n prompt_v the_o bishop_n to_o this_o severity_n as_o well_o as_o the_o dissenter_n not_o to_o yield_v to_o it_o sect._n 20._o the_o notion_n that_o jesuit_n have_v of_o spiritual_a prayer_n mention_v p._n 15._o some_o of_o they_o extravagant_a enough_o the_o learned_a dr._n use_v as_o a_o repreach_n to_o the_o nonconformist_n how_o rational_o let_v the_o world_n judge_n see_v we_o never_o vent_v nor_o own_v such_o fancy_n only_o we_o think_v set_a form_n of_o prayer_n unfit_a to_o be_v use_v where_o minister_n be_v tolerable_o gift_v to_o pray_v without_o they_o and_o that_o all_o the_o pray_v that_o we_o read_v of_o to_o have_v be_v either_o practise_v or_o commend_v in_o the_o apostolic_a church_n be_v without_o book_n the_o spirit_n not_o the_o book_n help_v their_o infirmity_n even_o as_o to_o what_o they_o be_v to_o pray_v for_o or_o the_o matter_n of_o prayer_n rom._n 8._o 26._o when_o he_o say_v p._n 16._o that_o it_o be_v not_o improbable_a the_o jesuit_n be_v the_o first_o setter_n up_o of_o this_o way_n in_o england_n â—nd_v that_o it_o be_v never_o know_v here_o or_o in_o any_o other_o reform_a church_n before_o this_o time_n if_o he_o meâ—n_v prayer_n without_o a_o set-form_n if_o he_o mean_v any_o thing_n else_o it_o be_v not_o to_o the_o purpose_n it_o be_v a_o rash_a and_o untrue_a assertion_n be_v ever_o prayer_n without_o book_n condemn_v by_o any_o reform_v church_n yea_o can_v any_o reform_a church_n be_v instance_a where_o it_o have_v not_o be_v and_o be_v not_o use_v or_o let_v he_o mention_v a_o reform_a church_n that_o have_v restrain_v extemporal_a prayer_n and_o impose_v a_o set-form_n but_o this_o debate_n he_o resume_v afterward_o and_o till_o then_o we_o shall_v leave_v it_o it_o do_v not_o savour_n of_o thaâ—_n 〈◊〉_d regard_n to_o the_o spirit_n of_o prayer_n that_o be_v promise_v to_o be_v â—â—ured_v out_o on_o the_o people_n of_o god_n zâ—â—h_n 12._o 10._o to_o mock_v the_o use_v oâ—_n his_o help_n to_o pray_v without_o a_o book_n as_o a_o charm_n effectual_a with_o judicious_a people_n and_o to_o jeâ—r_v the_o zeal_n and_o warmth_n of_o devotion_n that_o appear_v in_o it_o many_o know_v the_o advantage_n of_o what_o he_o think_v but_o a_o fancy_n let_v he_o abound_v in_o his_o own_o sense_n for_o de_fw-fr gustiius_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la 〈◊〉_d if_o by_o means_n of_o this_o manner_n of_o worship_v god_n the_o division_n wonderful_o 〈◊〉_d as_o he_o say_v i_o hope_v it_o be_v not_o the_o debauch_a nor_o unserious_a that_o be_v so_o take_v with_o that_o way_n and_o therefore_o this_o increase_n be_v no_o reproach_n to_o it_o sect._n 21._o he_o cit_v the_o admonition_n give_v in_o to_o the_o parliament_n 14_o eliz._n of_o which_o he_o say_v the_o author_n mr._n fâ—ller's_n church_n history_n p._n 102_o 103._o make_v mr._n thomas_n cartwright_n author_n both_o of_o the_o first_o and_o second_o admonition_n will_v have_v neither_o papist_n nor_o oâ—â—ers_n eâ—â—strained_v to_o communicate_v i_o do_v not_o understand_v whether_o any_o person_n shall_v be_v constrain_v to_o partake_v of_o the_o lord_n supper_n for_o i_o suppose_v that_o be_v mean_v otherwise_o than_o by_o forcible_a persuasion_n which_o be_v the_o compulsion_n mean_v luk._n 14._o 23._o brugensis_n say_v it_o express_v viâ—â—â—vangelij_fw-la so_o other_o that_o ordinance_n be_v never_o appoint_v by_o the_o lord_n to_o be_v a_o test_n of_o a_o man_n profession_n while_o he_o be_v uncapable_a to_o improve_v it_o to_o high_a end_n but_o if_o the_o admonition_n plead_v for_o tolerate_v of_o popery_n i_o have_v not_o the_o book_n by_o i_o and_o therefore_o can_v determine_v in_o this_o we_o be_v far_o from_o approve_v it_o though_o we_o think_v we_o have_v a_o right_n by_o the_o gospel_n not_o only_o to_o toleration_n but_o further_a countenance_n for_o our_o way_n yet_o if_o we_o may_v choose_v we_o have_v rather_o be_v under_o the_o severe_a persecution_n than_o have_v the_o least_o hand_n in_o obtain_v liberty_n to_o that_o idolatry_n we_o must_v not_o do_v yea_o nor_o wish_v evil_a that_o good_a may_v come_v what_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o archb._n whit_n gift_n and_o archb._n grindal_n p._n 17_o 18._o i_o look_v on_o as_o invective_n against_o the_o nonconformist_n of_o the_o same_o stamp_n with_o his_o own_o they_o be_v party_n and_o therefore_o not_o to_o be_v adduce_v as_o witness_n dr._n sutclife_o say_v no_o more_o than_o we_o will_v say_v that_o our_o division_n give_v advantage_n to_o the_o papist_n let_v they_o who_o be_v the_o culpable_a cause_n of_o the_o division_n look_v to_o it_o the_o prophecy_n cite_v out_o of_o mr._n solden_a be_v to_o the_o same_o purpose_n and_o need_v no_o other_o answer_n sect._n 22._o the_o politic_a hellish_a advice_n give_v by_o the_o jesuit_n contzen_n and_o signior_n ballarini_fw-la make_v nothing_o against_o we_o at_o all_o though_o he_o fill_v p._n 19_o 20_o 21._o with_o they_o for_o all_o that_o can_v be_v thence_o infer_v be_v that_o they_o labour_v to_o divide_v protestant_n and_o this_o dâ—vision_n fall_v out_o according_a to_o their_o wish_n now_o the_o division_n have_v its_o rise_n from_o the_o imposition_n of_o one_o party_n that_o assume_v the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o scruple_n of_o another_o party_n if_o the_o church_n impose_v that_o which_o be_v lawful_a and_o necessary_a and_o the_o other_o party_n scruple_n that_o and_o so_o divide_v in_o that_o case_n the_o dissenter_n must_v bear_v the_o blame_n of_o the_o division_n and_o be_v guilty_a of_o cooperate_a with_o the_o common_a enemy_n in_o ruine_v the_o protestant_a religion_n but_o if_o the_o church_n by_o her_o imposition_n burden_n the_o conscience_n of_o her_o member_n with_o thing_n that_o she_o count_v indifferent_a i._n e._n needless_a and_o the_o scrupler_n reckon_v as_o unlawful_a and_o have_v just_a ground_n so_o to_o do_v then_o the_o blame_n of_o separate_a and_o of_o help_v the_o papist_n to_o ruin_v our_o religion_n lie_v at_o the_o church_n door_n wherefore_o all_o this_o may_v have_v be_v spare_v let_v the_o learned_a dr._n sound_o refute_v our_o principle_n and_o then_o cast_v what_o blame_v he_o will_v on_o we_o but_o till_o that_o be_v do_v which_o we_o expect_v not_o let_v he_o â—ake_v heed_n where_o the_o blame_n will_v be_v lay_v when_o the_o secret_n of_o man_n shall_v be_v judge_v it_o may_v be_v observe_v in_o these_o advice_n that_o the_o jesuit_n as_o their_o master_n the_o devil_n often_o do_v speak_v some_o truth_n out_o of_o a_o bad_a end_n sect._n 23._o next_o he_o come_v p._n 22._o to_o reproach_v we_o with_o the_o indulgence_n that_o be_v grant_v march_n 1671-2_a as_o be_v procure_v by_o the_o papist_n if_o any_o nonconformist_n have_v a_o hand_n in_o procure_v liberty_n which_o i_o do_v not_o believe_v to_o they_o i_o think_v their_o brethren_n will_v disow_v they_o in_o that_o act._n that_o papist_n have_v a_o hand_n in_o it_o be_v not_o improbable_a both_o for_o their_o own_o ease_n and_o to_o make_v the_o difference_n among_o protestant_n the_o more_o conspicuous_a but_o be_v it_o fit_a that_o we_o shall_v forbear_v a_o necessary_a duty_n because_o of_o their_o ill_a design_n we_o do_v not_o join_v in_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n before_o that_o but_o worship_v god_n after_o his_o own_o institution_n without_o humane_a ceremony_n all_o the_o change_n in_o our_o way_n on_o that_o occasion_n be_v that_o what_o before_o we_o have_v do_v in_o corner_n and_o with_o hazard_n than_o we_o do_v safe_o and_o open_o and_o what_o fault_n be_v in_o this_o but_o one_o say_v that_o the_o presbyterian_o suspect_v the_o kindness_n and_o join_v with_o the_o conformist_n like_o wise_a man_n and_o refuse_v the_o bait_n who_o say_v so_o or_o on_o what_o ground_n i_o know_v not_o we_o go_v no_o further_o from_o the_o conformist_n than_o conscience_n of_o duty_n have_v make_v we_o do_v before_o but_o it_o have_v be_v a_o strange_a thing_n if_o when_o liberty_n be_v grant_v we_o to_o worship_n god_n in_o his_o own_o way_n we_o have_v then_o join_v with_o a_o superstitious_a worship_n which_o we_o can_v not_o do_v before_o if_o that_o author_n mean_v that_o presbyterian_o be_v then_o willing_a to_o concur_v with_o the_o conformist_n as_o their_o protestant_a brethren_n in_o all_o thing_n lawful_a to_o disappoint_v the_o design_n of_o the_o common_a enemy_n we_o approve_v of_o that_o
and_o pious_a and_o learned_a sr._n matthew_n hales_n in_o his_o book_n of_o schism_n have_v this_o passage_n in_o time_n of_o manifest_a corruption_n and_o persecution_n where_o religious_a assemble_v be_v dangerous_a private_a meeting_n howsoever_o beside_o public_a order_n be_v not_o only_o lawful_a but_o they_o be_v of_o necessity_n and_o duty_n all_o pious_a assembly_n in_o time_n of_o persecution_n and_o corruption_n however_o practise_v be_v indeed_o or_o rather_o alone_o the_o lawful_a congregation_n and_o public_a assembly_n though_o according_a to_o form_n of_o law_n be_v indeed_o nothing_o but_o riot_n and_o conventicle_n if_o they_o be_v stain_v with_o corruption_n and_o superstition_n s_n 40._o he_o answer_v a_o objection_n pag._n 77._o that_o the_o publish_v of_o this_o book_n be_v now_o unseasonable_a be_v a_o hindrance_n to_o the_o union_n of_o protestant_n to_o which_o there_o seem_v now_o to_o be_v a_o general_a inclination_n he_o allege_v p._n 78._o that_o the_o principle_n of_o nonconformist_n hinder_v that_o union_n and_o lay_v a_o foundation_n for_o perpetual_a division_n he_o know_v that_o we_o will_v not_o own_o this_o and_o therefore_o prove_v it_o as_o he_o think_v on_o the_o principle_n lay_v down_o by_o some_o of_o the_o dissent_v brethren_n let_v the_o constitution_n be_v never_o so_o easy_a to_o themselves_o other_o may_v make_v use_n of_o their_o ground_n and_o carry_v on_o the_o difference_n as_o high_a as_o ever_o i_o wish_v he_o have_v tell_v we_o what_o these_o ground_n be_v but_o it_o be_v a_o odd_a kind_n of_o reason_v we_o will_v not_o endeavour_v union_n with_o they_o who_o may_v be_v tolerate_v because_o they_o who_o be_v not_o to_o be_v tolerate_v will_v expect_v the_o same_o favour_n the_o ground_n on_o which_o we_o plead_v for_o forbearance_n be_v our_o scruple_n about_o what_o you_o confess_v to_o be_v no_o institution_n of_o christ_n nor_o necessary_a duty_n we_o in_o our_o conscience_n judge_v it_o unlawful_a and_o can_v show_v good_a reason_n for_o our_o so_o judge_v how_o this_o ground_n can_v be_v improve_v by_o any_o body_n to_o heighten_v difference_n unless_o it_o be_v by_o the_o peremptoriness_n of_o they_o that_o will_v impose_v such_o thing_n i_o do_v not_o understand_v he_o profess_v to_o be_v for_o union_n that_o will_v lessen_v difference_n and_o not_o weaken_v but_o strengthen_v the_o protestant_a religion_n now_o let_v any_o judge_n whether_o the_o union_n that_o be_v found_v on_o the_o ground_n propose_v be_v not_o such_o sect._n 41._o he_o say_v p._n 97._o that_o universal_a liberty_n differ_v from_o union_n as_o lose_v from_o bind_v and_o it_o be_v strange_a if_o that_o which_o papist_n late_o think_v the_o best_a mean_n to_o bring_v in_o popery_n shall_v now_o be_v look_v on_o as_o the_o most_o effectual_a way_n to_o keep_v it_o out_o ans._n we_o do_v not_o nor_o ever_o do_v plead_v for_o universal_a liberty_n which_o be_v that_o which_o no_o doubt_n papist_n aim_v at_o ergo_fw-la nihil_fw-la dictum_fw-la but_o suppose_v say_v he_o the_o indulgence_n be_v at_o present_a strict_o limit_v to_o dissent_v protestant_n we_o be_v not_o sure_o it_o will_v always_o continue_v so_o will_v not_o the_o same_o reason_n as_o to_z scruple_n of_o conscience_n suffer_v for_o religion_n etc._n etc._n be_v extend_v further_o when_o occasion_n serve_v and_o popery_n get_v foot_v on_o the_o dissenter_n ground_n ans._n be_v it_o not_o as_o rational_a for_o we_o to_o say_v though_o we_o can_v now_o join_v with_o the_o church_n of_o england_n in_o her_o present_a ceremony_n what_o know_v we_o how_o soon_o on_o the_o same_o ground_n she_o may_v bring_v in_o all_o those_o of_o popery_n let_v we_o forbear_v evil_a surmise_v and_o mind_n our_o present_a duty_n especial_o see_v the_o way_n to_o prevent_v this_o fear_v evil_a be_v obvious_a to_o wit_n that_o no_o indulgence_n be_v grant_v after_o but_o what_o there_o be_v as_o good_a reason_n for_o and_o as_o little_a hazard_n from_o as_o be_v at_o present_a neither_o do_v we_o plead_v for_o indulgence_n mere_o on_o the_o ground_n of_o scruple_n of_o conscience_n or_o suffer_v for_o religion_n but_o on_o other_o ground_n in_o conjunction_n with_o these_o as_o have_v be_v a_o little_a above_o express_v it_o be_v like_o our_o ground_n may_v be_v comprehend_v in_o his_o wide-bellied_n etc._n etc._n but_o if_o by_o it_o he_o mean_v all_o ground_n of_o forbearance_n now_o may_v be_v extend_v to_o plead_v for_o a_o undue_a toleration_n than_o all_o forbearance_n of_o christian_n that_o dissent_v in_o any_o thing_n must_v be_v unlawful_a which_o be_v contrary_a to_o the_o scripture_n former_o mention_v and_o to_o the_o general_a sentiment_n of_o all_o christian_n except_o papist_n who_o religion_n stand_v by_o blood_n and_o cruelty_n sect._n 42._o where_o say_v he_o have_v the_o church_n of_o rome_n more_o labourer_n and_o a_o great_a harvest_n than_o under_o the_o great_a liberty_n of_o conscience_n witness_v the_o state_n of_o the_o northern_a kingdom_n compare_v with_o the_o number_n of_o papist_n in_o the_o unite_a netherlands_o i_o can_v soon_o tell_v he_o where_o to_o wit_n under_o episcopal_a persecution_n of_o protestant_n in_o britain_n if_o this_o be_v a_o mistake_n these_o nation_n have_v be_v for_o some_o year_n in_o a_o dream_n again_o his_o instance_n be_v wide_a from_o the_o purpose_n for_o we_o plead_v not_o for_o a_o toleration_n of_o all_o sect_n and_o particular_o not_o of_o papist_n what_o toleration_n be_v in_o the_o netherlands_o themselves_o can_v best_o give_v account_n of_o he_o assert_v it_o impossible_a to_o keep_v out_o popery_n where_o toleration_n be_v allow_v and_o i_o assert_v it_o as_o impossible_a to_o keep_v in_o christianity_n in_o a_o impure_a church_n where_o it_o be_v not_o allow_v and_o yet_o there_o be_v no_o inconsistency_n between_o the_o two_o assertion_n if_o we_o distinguish_v between_o a_o limit_a toleration_n which_o we_o plead_v for_o and_o one_o unlimited_a which_o he_o all_o along_o speak_v of_o to_o talk_v of_o toleration_n thus_o without_o distinction_n be_v to_o walk_v in_o the_o cloud_n and_o not_o descend_v to_o the_o thing_n in_o debate_n which_o be_v unbeseeming_a a_o disputant_n sect._n 43._o he_o bring_v three_o argument_n p._n 79_o 80._o to_o prove_v his_o assertion_n 1._o because_o of_o the_o various_a way_n of_o creep_v in_o under_o several_a disguise_n which_o the_o priest_n and_o jesuit_n have_v and_o can_v never_o be_v prevent_v where_o there_o be_v a_o general_a indulgence_n for_o dissenter_n and_o a_o unaccountable_a church-power_n be_v allow_v to_o separate_v congregation_n ans._n 1._o this_o argument_n supponit_fw-la falsum_fw-la which_o we_o have_v often_o disclaim_v to_o wit_n that_o we_o plead_v for_o a_o general_a indulgence_n to_o dissenter_n we_o desire_v it_o may_v be_v limit_v to_o man_n of_o peaceable_a principle_n and_o practice_n to_o such_o as_o differ_v from_o the_o public_a way_n in_o 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candidiorem_fw-la &_o apprime_fw-la resipientem_fw-la apostolicam_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la and_o after_o he_o say_v accendit_fw-la hoc_fw-la meum_fw-la desiderium_fw-la partim_fw-la quod_fw-la in_o ritibus_fw-la quamproxime_n vellem_fw-la ad_fw-la sacras_fw-la literas_fw-la accedere_fw-la atque_fw-la meliorum_fw-la temporum_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la imitatione_n persequi_fw-la partim_fw-la quod_fw-la animadverto_fw-la papae_fw-la sectatores_fw-la adhuc_fw-la his_fw-la reliquiis_fw-la conari_fw-la speciem_fw-la saltem_fw-la missae_fw-la instaurare_fw-la and_o afterward_o si_fw-mi pateremur_fw-la prius_fw-la evangelium_fw-la &_o propagari_fw-la &_o altas_fw-la radices_fw-la agere_fw-la melius_fw-la fortasse_fw-la &_o facilius_fw-la persuaderentur_fw-la homines_fw-la ut_fw-la hos_fw-la externos_fw-la apparatus_n removerent_fw-la and_o he_o add_v a_o similitude_n of_o one_o that_o be_v sick_a and_o recover_v by_o degree_n who_o can_v forbear_v the_o use_n of_o some_o unfit_a thing_n that_o in_o health_n he_o will_v willing_o put_v away_o do_v not_o all_o this_o full_o express_v what_o i_o have_v already_o say_v that_o all_o the_o ceremony_n ought_v to_o have_v be_v cast_v out_o at_o first_o that_o the_o reformer_n partly_o by_o the_o church_n and_o their_o want_n of_o due_a light_n like_o one_o in_o a_o state_n of_o convalescency_n and_o partly_o out_o of_o a_o design_n to_o gain_v and_o not_o offend_v the_o papist_n do_v for_o a_o time_n retain_v these_o ceremony_n with_o a_o design_n to_o have_v they_o afterward_o remove_v and_o be_v it_o not_o plain_a that_o p._n martyr_n under_o our_o circumstance_n will_v be_v a_o non_fw-fr conformist_n as_o well_o as_o we_o the_o opinion_n of_o this_o good_a man_n be_v yet_o more_o clear_a and_o against_o the_o dr._n out_o of_o another_o epistle_n amico_fw-la cuidam_fw-la in_o anglia_fw-it who_o none_o that_o read_v the_o letter_n and_o know_v the_o history_n can_v doubt_v to_o be_v hooper_n p._n mihi_fw-la 1126_o 1127._o where_o he_o 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he_o after_o advise_v that_o he_o may_v not_o act_v against_o his_o conscience_n and_o show_v that_o he_o himself_o when_o at_o oxford_n though_o he_o be_v canonicus_n yet_o will_v never_o wear_v the_o surplice_n in_o the_o quire._n i_o say_v nothing_o of_o bucer_n not_o have_v his_o book_n script_n anglican_n but_o it_o be_v reasonable_a to_o think_v that_o he_o be_v of_o the_o samemind_n sect._n 11._o that_o mr._n bradford_n be_v a_o nonconformist_a he_o can_v deny_v but_o say_v a_o good_a man_n have_v a_o unreasonable_a scruple_n may_v not_o we_o answer_v the_o same_o way_n to_o all_o his_o allegation_n of_o the_o martyr_n and_o first_o reformer_n compliance_n with_o the_o ceremony_n to_o wit_n that_o good_a man_n do_v not_o scruple_n where_o it_o be_v reasonable_a that_o they_o shall_v the_o word_n that_o he_o cite_v out_o of_o the_o act._n and_o monument_n vol._n 3._o p._n 319._o where_o mr._n bradford_n call_v martyrdom_n the_o lord_n cognizance_n and_o not_o tippet_n etc._n etc._n do_v rather_o make_v against_o than_o for_o his_o design_n for_o it_o be_v plain_a that_o he_o put_v tippet_n etc._n etc._n in_o the_o same_o rank_n with_o shave_n crown_n and_o call_v they_o antichristian_a baggage_n and_o no_o reason_n can_v be_v give_v why_o these_o shall_v be_v so_o call_v except_o that_o they_o be_v bring_v into_o religion_n by_o man_n not_o by_o god_n which_o agree_v to_o all_o the_o ceremony_n who_o they_o be_v that_o keep_v secret_a meeting_n under_o b._n ridley_n it_o be_v needless_a to_o inquire_v the_o dr._n guess_v that_o they_o be_v furious_a anabaptist_n or_o secret_a papist_n i_o know_v no_o reason_n for_o this_o guess_n but_o because_o he_o be_v resolve_v that_o there_o shall_v be_v no_o nonconformists_a then_o such_o as_o be_v now_o but_o that_o there_o then_o be_v some_o excellent_a man_n who_o dislike_v the_o ceremony_n i_o have_v show_v that_o some_o of_o they_o do_v use_v they_o notwithstanding_o i_o acknowledge_v that_o any_o do_v separate_v i_o do_v not_o undertake_v to_o prove_v nor_o can_v he_o prove_v the_o contrary_a so_o much_o as_o probable_o i_o be_o sure_a there_o be_v principle_n then_o maintain_v by_o a_o party_n of_o man_n which_o will_v have_v make_v they_o do_v as_o we_o do_v if_o their_o practice_n have_v be_v sufficient_o adapt_v to_o the_o sentiment_n that_o they_o have_v about_o the_o ceremony_n which_o make_v it_o not_o unprobable_a that_o some_o of_o they_o do_v withdraw_v though_o it_o may_v be_v the_o man_n of_o more_o note_n among_o they_o who_o consider_v the_o necessity_n of_o their_o case_n as_o warrant_v that_o practice_n may_v do_v otherwise_o but_o it_o be_v no_o way_n likely_a that_o the_o church_n do_v so_o furious_o impose_v these_o thing_n on_o the_o conscience_n of_o scrupler_n as_o we_o be_v now_o impose_v on_o sect._n 12._o the_o dr_n long_a harangue_n p._n 6_o 7._o to_o condemn_v our_o practice_n by_o the_o contrary_a practice_n of_o the_o first_o reformer_n do_v either_o prove_v nothing_o or_o it_o conclude_v that_o it_o be_v possible_a that_o such_o holy_a man_n can_v mistake_v which_o before_o he_o himself_o have_v impute_v to_o holy_a mr._n bradford_n one_o of_o they_o here_o mention_v by_o he_o their_o holiness_n learning_n integrity_n industry_n profound_a judgement_n mortification_n do_v not_o entitle_v they_o
but_o hold_v it_o for_o a_o antichristian_a society_n and_o therefore_o not_o to_o be_v communicate_v with_o aâ—d_v that_o of_o the_o independent_o who_o own_v the_o congregation_n in_o england_n to_o be_v true_a church_n but_o think_v it_o unlawful_a to_o join_v with_o they_o because_o of_o the_o mixture_n of_o scandalous_a sinner_n with_o visible_a saint_n that_o be_v among_o they_o separation_n on_o the_o first_o ground_n be_v well_o refute_v by_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n and_o that_o of_o the_o second_o by_o the_o assembly_n of_o divine_n and_o other_o presbyteriâ—ns_n both_o these_o be_v active_a separation_n choose_v by_o the_o separate_a party_n and_o that_o on_o ground_n of_o dislike_n with_o the_o church_n that_o aâ—e_v indefensible_a but_o our_o separation_n if_o it_o may_v be_v so_o call_v be_v passive_a we_o be_v drive_v away_o we_o seek_v the_o communion_n of_o our_o brethren_n we_o be_v willing_a to_o bear_v wiâ—h_v many_o thing_n that_o be_v a_o burden_n to_o we_o and_o which_o we_o wish_v to_o be_v reform_v rather_o than_o have_v separate_a meeting_n we_o own_o the_o parish_n of_o england_n as_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n the_o petition_n for_o peace_n be_v a_o public_a and_o authentic_a witness_n of_o all_o this_o but_o our_o brethren_n will_v have_v no_o communion_n with_o we_o unless_o we_o will_v own_v the_o ceremony_n that_o they_o without_o any_o warrant_n from_o scripture_n impose_v on_o we_o which_o we_o can_v do_v without_o sin_v against_o god_n and_o wound_v our_o conscience_n and_o we_o can_v and_o do_v give_v good_a reâ—son_n and_o scripture-warrant_a for_o this_o our_o scruple_n let_v then_o any_o indifferent_a person_n judge_n whether_o it_o be_v fair_a deal_n to_o condemn_v our_o not_o join_v in_o the_o public_a worship_n of_o the_o church_n by_o the_o authority_n of_o they_o who_o condemn_v these_o forementioned_a separation_n but_o occaâ—â—on_n will_v be_v give_v to_o discourse_v this_o matter_n further_o wherefore_o i_o now_o forbear_v sect._n 8._o i_o hope_v what_o have_v be_v say_v will_v evince_v that_o the_o dr_n follow_v historical_a discourse_n have_v the_o fault_n call_v ignoratio_fw-la elenchi_fw-la run_v through_o the_o whole_a texture_n of_o it_o and_o that_o it_o do_v not_o tâ—uch_v the_o question_n in_o hand_n but_o i_o shall_v take_v a_o more_o particular_a yet_o transient_a view_v of_o it_o he_o say_v sect._n 8._o at_o the_o beginning_n the_o separation_n be_v now_o bâ—gâ—n_o the_o nonconformist_n set_v themselves_o with_o the_o great_a vehemency_n against_o it_o if_o the_o dr._n will_v prove_v any_o thing_n against_o we_o he_o must_v show_v that_o there_o be_v no_o forbear_n of_o public_a ordinance_n on_o account_n of_o scruple_v the_o ceremony_n by_o the_o nonconformist_n before_o this_o the_o contrary_a of_o which_o i_o have_v show_v also_o that_o it_o be_v separation_n on_o that_o account_n and_o no_o other_o that_o they_o write_v against_o the_o contrary_a of_o which_o be_v most_o evident_a he_o may_v know_v that_o the_o presbyterian_o now_o do_v differ_v nothing_o from_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n in_o this_o for_o they_o have_v as_o much_o set_v themselves_o against_o the_o same_o sort_n of_o separation_n and_o can_v make_v it_o appear_v that_o this_o be_v no_o way_n unsuitable_a to_o their_o own_o principle_n or_o practice_n it_o seem_v by_o what_o the_o dr._n cit_v out_o of_o mr._n parker_n that_o the_o separation_n be_v charge_v on_o he_o as_o lay_v a_o foundation_n for_o it_o by_o his_o principle_n just_a as_o it_o be_v now_o with_o we_o if_o the_o dr._n can_v charge_v any_o of_o we_o with_o bitterness_n and_o pride_n the_o two_o character_n give_v by_o parker_n to_o the_o separatist_n let_v the_o guilty_a bear_v their_o blame_n but_o i_o be_o sure_a our_o principle_n that_o he_o be_v angry_a with_o import_v no_o such_o thing_n and_o therefore_o such_o a_o oblique_a reflection_n on_o we_o in_o general_a be_v not_o brotherly_a deal_n we_o love_v not_o to_o recriminate_a sect._n 9_o he_o allege_v p._n 28._o that_o of_o the_o four_o reason_n publish_v by_o barrow_n and_o greenwood_n against_o the_o separation_n three_o of_o they_o be_v take_v out_o of_o the_o admonition_n give_v in_o by_o the_o nonconformist_n to_o the_o parliament_n he_o here_o expose_v these_o nonconformist_n that_o then_o be_v as_o very_o ridiculous_a man_n who_o lay_v down_o reason_n for_o separation_n and_o yet_o be_v so_o much_o against_o other_o man_n practise_v what_o they_o give_v reason_n for_o if_o he_o think_v they_o such_o man_n why_o will_v he_o bind_v we_o to_o their_o authority_n which_o be_v the_o tendency_n of_o this_o long_a discourse_n but_o the_o dr._n do_v both_o mistake_n and_o misrepresent_v this_o matter_n his_o mistake_n be_v in_o the_o admonition_n these_o thing_n be_v present_v as_o grievance_n to_o be_v redress_v not_o as_o ground_n of_o separation_n his_o misrepresentation_n be_v these_o monitor_n do_v not_o speak_v of_o the_o ministry_n government_n and_o worship_n as_o whole_o unlawful_a antichristian_a and_o false_a for_o they_o own_v the_o ministry_n and_o worship_n whatever_o thought_n they_o have_v of_o the_o government_n as_o right_v for_o the_o substance_n though_o vitiate_v by_o some_o modes_n adhere_v to_o they_o which_o they_o desire_v to_o be_v remove_v it_o be_v true_a gilford_n say_v they_o make_v a_o vile_a schism_n rend_v themselves_o from_o the_o church_n of_o england_n but_o do_v he_o not_o add_v and_o condemn_v by_o their_o assertioâ—s_n the_o whole_a visible_a church_n in_o the_o world_n even_o as_o the_o donatist_n do_v of_o old_a time_n which_o show_v that_o it_o be_v not_o scruple_v of_o humane_a ceremony_n that_o they_o be_v charge_v with_o but_o nullify_n of_o church_n because_o of_o some_o corruption_n in_o they_o gilford_n word_n that_o follow_v p._n 29._o we_o be_v not_o concern_v in_o we_o know_v that_o many_o be_v the_o sad_a effect_n of_o that_o separation_n divert_v people_n from_o the_o serious_a exercise_n of_o religion_n to_o jangle_n and_o it_o be_v not_o without_o this_o effect_n on_o some_o where_o the_o oppress_a party_n be_v innocent_a as_o to_o the_o main_a but_o that_o prove_v not_o that_o we_o shall_v comply_v with_o unscriptural_a ceremony_n to_o shun_v this_o evil_a but_o that_o they_o shall_v not_o be_v impose_v on_o we_o as_o to_o gilford_n blame_v they_o for_o not_o come_v to_o the_o book-prayer_n this_o he_o speak_v without_o book_n either_o in_o the_o heat_n of_o disputation_n in_o which_o many_o do_v overreach_v or_o it_o be_v his_o opinion_n but_o be_v not_o we_o i_o agree_v with_o gilford_n that_o the_o corruption_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n do_v not_o make_v her_o antichristian_a and_o therefore_o the_o brownist_n be_v to_o be_v blame_v in_o separate_v from_o she_o as_o antichristian_a not_o we_o who_o be_v ready_a to_o join_v with_o she_o as_o a_o church_n of_o christ_n but_o can_v digest_v her_o humane_a ceremony_n in_o divine_a worship_n that_o gilford_n be_v a_o nonconformist_a the_o dr._n need_v not_o to_o be_v at_o so_o much_o pain_n to_o prove_v that_o all_o nonconformist_n be_v fallible_a man_n and_o some_o of_o they_o mistake_v in_o some_o thing_n we_o willing_o grant_v we_o also_o close_o with_o what_o his_o next_o author_n say_v p._n 30._o that_o he_o be_v a_o member_n of_o that_o church_n where_o he_o be_v by_o providence_n place_v and_o that_o he_o ought_v not_o to_o separate_v from_o it_o while_o it_o be_v a_o true_a church_n only_o with_o this_o exception_n unless_o that_o church_n require_v i_o to_o sin_n and_o if_o i_o will_v not_o do_v so_o exclude_v i_o which_o exception_n it_o can_v not_o be_v expect_v that_o he_o shall_v mention_v that_o not_o belong_v to_o the_o thing_n then_o controverâ—ed_v it_o be_v hard_a for_o a_o controversal_a writer_n to_o guard_v his_o word_n against_o all_o exception_n that_o contingent_a case_n not_o yet_o think_v on_o may_v afford_v the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v answer_v to_o his_o citation_n out_o of_o mr._n bernard_n and_o the_o confutation_n of_o the_o error_n of_o the_o separatist_n dâ—ne_v in_o name_n of_o the_o nonconformist_n so_o that_o this_o whole_a discourse_n of_o the_o doctor_n be_v be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d sect._n 10._o he_o think_v sect._n 9_o to_o parallel_v our_o withdraw_n from_o the_o ceremony_n with_o the_o separation_n of_o the_o brownist_n for_o if_o that_o be_v not_o design_v i_o know_v not_o what_o his_o discourse_n tend_v to_o by_o set_v down_o the_o concession_n of_o these_o separatist_n to_o wit_n that_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v sound_a and_o save_a that_o they_o will_v not_o separate_v for_o every_o blemish_n in_o the_o church_n so_o far_o we_o agree_v but_o they_o plead_v say_v he_o that_o the_o corruption_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n be_v such_o as_o overthrow_v the_o
one_o of_o the_o new_a invention_n of_o this_o age._n this_o conclusion_n i_o easy_o yield_v to_o and_o who_o be_v the_o inventor_n and_o maintainer_n of_o the_o contrary_a i_o know_v not_o i_o hope_v he_o will_v not_o blame_v we_o when_o we_o be_v thrust_v out_o of_o the_o church_n that_o we_o do_v not_o lie_v about_o the_o church-wall_n rather_o than_o go_v to_o another_o place_n to_o worship_n god_n by_o ourselves_o if_o we_o do_v any_o thing_n but_o what_o we_o can_v show_v christ_n command_n for_o let_v he_o blame_v we_o 3d._a conclusion_n bare_a scruple_n of_o conscience_n do_v not_o justify_v separation_n although_o it_o may_v excuse_v communion_n in_o the_o particular_n scruple_v provide_v they_o have_v use_v the_o best_a mean_n for_o a_o right_a information_n i_o do_v so_o full_o assent_v to_o this_o conclusion_n that_o i_o shall_v say_v more_o than_o the_o dr._n do_v to_o wit_n that_o bare_a scruple_n of_o conscience_n can_v excuse_v even_o communion_n in_o the_o particular_n scruple_v whatever_o mean_n have_v be_v use_v for_o information_n for_o scruple_n that_o have_v no_o scripture_n ground_n and_o what_o else_o can_v be_v mean_v by_o bare_a scruple_n i_o know_v not_o make_v a_o err_v conscience_n which_o however_o it_o may_v excuse_v ae_z toto_fw-la can_v excuse_v from_o nothing_o in_o totum_fw-la but_o if_o our_o scruple_n such_o as_o they_o be_v and_o we_o may_v say_v we_o have_v use_v the_o best_a mean_n that_o we_o can_v for_o information_n do_v excuse_v we_o from_o communion_n in_o the_o particular_n scruple_v and_o if_o by_o the_o force_n of_o rigid_a man_n we_o be_v deprive_v of_o god_n ordinance_n unless_o we_o will_v communicate_v in_o these_o scrupled_a particular_n i_o hope_v the_o duty_n that_o lie_v on_o we_o to_o worship_n god_n and_o not_o live_v like_o atheist_n will_v so_o far_o warrant_v that_o which_o the_o dr._n will_v call_v separation_n that_o it_o will_v be_v hard_a for_o he_o to_o disprove_v it_o unless_o he_o retract_v this_o conclusion_n by_o which_o he_o have_v give_v a_o sore_a blow_n to_o his_o cause_n i_o oppose_v to_o this_o regardlesness_n of_o man_n conscience_n that_o the_o dr._n seem_v to_o allow_v himself_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o excellent_a judge_n hales_n in_o his_o piece_n of_o schism_n who_o say_v that_o nothing_o absolve_v from_o the_o gild_n of_o schism_n but_o true_a and_o unpretended_a conscience_n also_o that_o require_v the_o do_v of_o a_o unlawful_a or_o suspect_a act_n be_v a_o just_a cause_n of_o refuse_v communion_n sect._n 16._o conclusion_n 4._o where_o occasional_a communion_n be_v lawful_a constant_a communion_n be_v a_o duty_n i_o suppose_v he_o mean_v of_o that_o particular_a church_n in_o which_o a_o man_n be_v a_o member_n and_o have_v his_o constant_a residence_n otherwise_o it_o be_v manifest_o false_a for_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o i_o to_o have_v occasional_a communion_n with_o the_o protestant_a church_n of_o france_n but_o that_o i_o be_o not_o constant_o bind_v to_o communicate_v in_o england_n if_o my_o occasion_n call_v i_o often_o abroad_o but_o take_v it_o in_o the_o most_o favourable_a sense_n the_o assertion_n be_v not_o true_a it_o be_v lawful_a to_o have_v occasional_a communion_n with_o a_o church_n that_o have_v one_o ordinance_n pure_a exemp_n gr._n preach_v i_o may_v as_o occasion_n serve_v join_v in_o that_o ordinance_n but_o if_o there_o be_v nothing_o else_o pure_a or_o that_o i_o can_v partake_v of_o without_o sin_n in_o that_o church_n i_o be_o oblige_v to_o look_v after_o another_o occasion_n where_o i_o may_v enjoy_v all_o god_n ordinance_n without_o sinful_a addition_n and_o have_v get_v that_o opportunity_n i_o do_v not_o see_v what_o obligation_n lie_v on_o i_o constant_o to_o hear_v in_o that_o corrupt_a church_n rather_o than_o where_o i_o enjoy_v all_o the_o ordinance_n in_o purity_n what_o he_o allege_v out_o of_o the_o assembly_n reason_n against_o the_o dissent_v brethren_n do_v not_o all_o quadrate_n with_o our_o case_n for_o the_o congregational_a man_n can_v not_o allege_v that_o any_o unlawful_a term_n of_o communion_n be_v impose_v on_o they_o by_o the_o presbyterian_o in_o one_o ordinance_n more_o than_o another_o and_o therefore_o if_o they_o may_v join_v in_o one_o ordinance_n they_o may_v in_o all_o and_o so_o have_v no_o excuse_n from_o constant_a communion_n if_o occasional_a communion_n be_v lawful_a but_o this_o question_n about_o occasional_a and_o constant_a communion_n the_o dr._n bring_v in_o afterward_o therefore_o enough_o of_o it_o at_o present_a sect._n 17._o conclusion_n 5_o that_o withdraw_v from_o the_o communion_n of_o a_o true_a church_n and_o set_v up_o congregation_n for_o pure_a worship_n or_o under_o another_o rule_n be_v plain_a and_o downright_a separation_n as_o be_v most_o evident_a from_o the_o answer_n of_o the_o assembly_n of_o divine_n to_o the_o dissent_v brethren_n it_o be_v strange_a that_o this_o learned_a author_n shall_v cite_v these_o man_n for_o condemn_v our_o practice_n who_o be_v of_o the_o same_o principle_n and_o practice_n that_o we_o own_o and_o he_o be_v plead_v against_o particular_o dr._n burgess_n mr._n case_n mr._n calamy_n mr._n newcomen_fw-mi etc._n etc._n who_o he_o name_v they_o be_v neither_o such_o fool_n as_o to_o condemn_v themselves_o nor_o such_o knave_n as_o to_o blame_v other_o for_o that_o wherein_o they_o allow_v themselves_o wherefore_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o it_o be_v not_o every_o separation_n from_o a_o true_a church_n that_o they_o condemn_v for_o such_o be_v both_o innocent_a and_o necessary_a when_o a_o true_a church_n will_v impose_v sinful_a term_n of_o communion_n on_o her_o member_n but_o a_o separation_n for_o pretend_a corruption_n in_o a_o true_a church_n which_o corruption_n be_v not_o impose_v on_o the_o separater_n either_o to_o be_v practise_v or_o approve_v of_o by_o they_o and_o so_o can_v not_o become_v their_o personal_a sin._n this_o separation_n they_o condemn_v and_o that_o with_o good_a reason_n for_o where_o the_o church_n be_v a_o true_a church_n and_o no_o sin_n commit_v by_o they_o that_o join_v with_o it_o in_o their_o join_n separate_v can_v have_v no_o show_n of_o reason_n sect._n 18._o he_o infer_v sect._n 16._o from_o what_o he_o have_v say_v that_o the_o present_a practice_n of_o separation_n can_v be_v justify_v by_o the_o principle_n of_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n nor_o by_o the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o assembly_n of_o divine_n the_o former_a i_o have_v disprove_v though_o he_o say_v â—t's_n clear_a by_o undeniable_a evidence_n the_o latter_a he_o say_v be_v in_o effect_n confess_v by_o all_o his_o adversary_n to_o make_v out_o which_o he_o cit_v in_o the_o margin_n mr._n baxter_n and_o dr._n owen_n for_o the_o latter_a no_o wonder_n he_o confess_v it_o see_v he_o be_v for_o that_o very_a separation_n which_o the_o assembly_n oppose_v and_o the_o former_a be_v yet_o alive_a to_o speak_v for_o himself_o and_o it_o be_v as_o little_a wonder_n that_o he_o shall_v say_v so_o for_o he_o deny_v that_o any_o of_o assembly_n be_v presbyterian_o i_o have_v already_o show_v that_o the_o the_o assembly_n may_v well_o assert_v that_o separation_n from_o a_o true_a church_n be_v schismatical_a the_o man_n that_o they_o debate_v against_o separate_v or_o such_o ground_n as_o either_o prove_v the_o church_n false_a or_o give_v they_o no_o colourable_a ground_n for_o that_o schism_n but_o they_o can_v not_o understand_v it_o without_o exception_n he_o take_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o pain_n p._n 75._o to_o prove_v that_o any_o difference_n that_o be_v between_o our_o separation_n and_o that_o which_o the_o assembly_n condemn_v be_v but_o in_o some_o circumstance_n that_o do_v not_o make_v the_o one_o unlawful_a and_o the_o other_o not_o but_o that_o it_o be_v otherwise_o be_v clear_a if_o we_o consider_v as_o have_v be_v say_v that_o they_o have_v no_o thing_n impose_v on_o they_o as_o duty_n and_o as_o term_n of_o communion_n which_o have_v be_v their_o personal_a sin_n to_o do_v as_o we_o have_v if_o this_o make_v not_o a_o material_a and_o pertinent_a difference_n i_o know_v not_o what_o can_v do_v it_o but_o say_v he_o the_o assembly_n use_v general_a reason_n that_o have_v equal_a force_n at_o all_o time_n ans._n these_o general_a reason_n may_v suffer_v a_o exception_n which_o they_o do_v not_o nor_o need_v not_o mention_v because_o it_o be_v not_o the_o case_n in_o hand_n nor_o do_v we_o make_v the_o difference_n to_o lie_v between_o that_o and_o this_o time_n but_o between_o their_o and_o our_o ground_n of_o non-communion_n sect._n 19_o he_o say_v it_o come_v to_o the_o same_o point_n whether_o the_o scruple_n on_o which_o man_n separate_v relate_v to_o some_o ceremony_n require_v or_o to_o other_o imposition_n as_o to_o order_n and_o discipline_n if_o they_o be_v such_o as_o they_o pretend_v to_o a_o
necessity_n of_o separation_n ans._n 1._o the_o dr._n than_o make_v no_o difference_n between_o a_o scruple_n that_o have_v ground_n for_o it_o and_o one_o that_o have_v none_o if_o he_o can_v make_v our_o scruple_n appear_v to_o be_v groundless_a as_o he_o confess_v they_o to_o be_v he_o have_v advantage_n against_o we_o ans._n 2._o be_v there_o no_o difference_n between_o have_v probable_a ground_n for_o a_o scruple_n and_o have_v no_o such_o ground_n be_v there_o any_o comparison_n between_o scruple_v at_o use_v religious_a ceremony_n that_o have_v no_o warrant_n in_o the_o word_n but_o be_v in_o general_n at_o least_o condemn_v in_o it_o and_o scruple_v at_o some_o pretend_a corruption_n that_o no_o scripture_n condemn_v ans._n 3._o if_o the_o dr_n reason_v be_v good_a either_o we_o must_v bear_v with_o none_o that_o scruple_n unless_o we_o scruple_n the_o same_o thing_n or_o we_o must_v bear_v with_o all_o that_o scruple_n the_o first_o of_o these_o exclude_v all_o christian_a forbearance_n the_o last_o he_o will_v not_o allege_v ans._n 4._o he_o mention_v imposition_n as_o to_o order_n and_o discipline_n only_o that_o we_o may_v seem_v imposer_n as_o well_o as_o his_o party_n be_v that_o be_v unreasonable_a not_o only_o because_o we_o can_v show_v christ_n law_n for_o our_o order_n and_o discipline_n which_o he_o will_v not_o pretend_v to_o show_v for_o the_o ceremony_n but_o also_o because_o we_o can_v bear_v with_o sober_a and_o faithful_a brethren_n that_o can_v approve_v of_o all_o that_o we_o do_v which_o his_o party_n will_v not_o sect._n 20._o he_o mistake_v the_o case_n when_o he_o insinuate_v that_o we_o have_v no_o more_o but_o scruple_n of_o conscience_n to_o plead_v the_o dr._n shall_v not_o have_v allege_v this_o till_o he_o or_o some_o of_o his_o party_n have_v answer_v all_o our_o reason_n of_o scruple_v in_o many_o book_n neither_o touch_v by_o he_o or_o any_o other_o but_o now_o he_o will_v knock_v down_o our_o cause_n with_o one_o blow_n he_o say_v he_o put_v the_o case_n as_o clear_v as_o possible_a to_o prevent_v all_o subterfuge_n and_o slight_a evasion_n he_o suppose_v five_o scruple_a party_n one_o at_o the_o liturgy_n a_o second_o at_o the_o cross_n and_o kneel_a a_o three_o at_o wrong_n gather_v church_n a_o four_o at_o infant_n baptism_n a_o five_o at_o preach_v by_o set_a form_n and_o be_v stint_v by_o a_o hourglass_n and_o he_o say_v the_o nature_n of_o the_o case_n do_v not_o vary_v according_a to_o these_o if_o this_o be_v the_o dr_n herculean_a argument_n we_o shall_v not_o need_v to_o fear_v his_o strength_n so_o much_o as_o before_o sure_o the_o learned_a dr_n part_n can_v let_v he_o see_v more_o reason_n to_o bear_v with_o sober_a and_o intelligent_a man_n who_o dare_v not_o join_v with_o a_o church_n in_o worship_v god_n by_o religious_a ceremony_n not_o institute_v by_o christ_n than_o with_o fantastic_a quaker_n who_o cast_v off_o god_n ordinance_n because_o of_o a_o hourglass_n but_o that_o his_o prejudice_n do_v in_o this_o darken_v his_o understanding_n but_o the_o tendency_n of_o his_o discourse_n seem_v to_o be_v either_o church-authority_n must_v lead_v we_o blindfold_n so_o as_o we_o must_v scruple_n nothing_o impose_v or_o neither_o scripture_n nor_o reason_n shall_v limit_v our_o fancy_n but_o we_o may_v scruple_n what_o we_o will._n he_o say_v well_o p._n 76._o and_o the_o nonconformist_n before_o he_o have_v say_v it_o if_o they_o allege_v ground_n to_o justify_v themselves_o they_o must_v do_v it_o ex_fw-la natura_fw-la rei_fw-la and_o not_o from_o the_o mere_a error_n or_o mistake_n of_o conscience_n we_o will_v most_o willing_o join_v issue_n with_o he_o on_o this_o condition_n provide_v the_o natura_fw-la rei_fw-la may_v be_v judge_v by_o scripture_n as_o all_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n shall_v be_v if_o he_o can_v prove_v the_o ceremony_n that_o we_o scruple_n to_o be_v such_o as_o we_o may_v use_v without_o sin_n or_o if_o we_o prove_v not_o the_o contrary_a let_v he_o call_v we_o as_o vile_a separatist_n as_o he_o please_v if_o the_o dr._n have_v please_v at_o first_o to_o hang_v the_o matter_n on_o this_o pin_n and_o not_o to_o have_v fill_v his_o book_n with_o so_o many_o citation_n to_o strengthen_v his_o cause_n with_o humane_a authority_n he_o may_v have_v save_v both_o himself_o and_o i_o all_o this_o labour_n that_o hitherto_o we_o have_v be_v at_o it_o be_v no_o great_a commendation_n either_o of_o the_o wisdom_n or_o of_o the_o sobriety_n of_o his_o church_n that_o he_o say_v shâ—_n have_v as_o much_o occasion_n cause_n he_o shall_v have_v say_v to_o judge_v their_o the_o presbyterian_o scruple_n unreasonable_a as_o they_o do_v those_o of_o the_o quaker_n what_o follow_v about_o occasional_a communion_n be_v answer_v above_o that_o which_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o mr._n a._n of_o the_o assemby_n be_v transport_v in_o the_o heat_n of_o dispute_n be_v not_o so_o derogatory_n from_o that_o venerable_a meeting_n as_o he_o will_v make_v it_o it_o be_v rare_a to_o find_v it_o otherwise_o with_o sinful_a man_n how_o many_o thing_n do_v thus_o slip_v from_o the_o pen_n of_o several_a of_o the_o father_n that_o the_o dr._n will_v not_o approve_v but_o we_o do_v not_o hereby_o give_v up_o the_o cause_n to_o the_o dissent_v brethren_n nor_o forsake_v the_o assembly_n principle_n it_o be_v one_o thing_n not_o to_o approve_v all_o that_o man_n say_v and_o another_o thing_n to_o condemn_v the_o cause_n that_o they_o plead_v for_o sect._n 21._o our_o author_n do_v next_o undertake_v sect._n 17._o to_o show_v how_o we_o have_v desert_v the_o principle_n of_o the_o old_a nonconformist_n as_o to_o private_a person_n reform_v church-discipline_n set_v up_o new_a church_n and_o the_o preach_n of_o minister_n when_o silence_v by_o the_o law_n for_o the_o set_n up_o of_o church_n and_o discipline_n he_o cit_v several_a nonconformist_n against_o it_o without_o the_o magistrate_n p._n 78_o 79_o 80_o 81_o 82._o to_o all_o which_o i_o answer_v that_o two_o thing_n be_v express_o in_o these_o citation_n that_o make_v what_o they_o condemn_v not_o to_o reach_v our_o case_n for_o 1._o they_o condemn_v private_a man_n endeavour_v a_o public_a reformation_n that_o belong_v to_o the_o magistrate_n so_o it_o be_v thrice_o express_v p._n 81._o out_o of_o confut._n of_o the_o brownist_n now_o we_o meddle_v not_o with_o a_o public_a reformation_n otherwise_o than_o by_o our_o prayer_n and_o advice_n as_o we_o have_v occasion_n which_o be_v there_o also_o express_o allow_v by_o they_o but_o content_v ourselves_o to_o serve_v god_n private_o when_o we_o can_v do_v it_o public_o without_o sin._n to_o this_o same_o purpose_n be_v that_o which_o be_v cite_v out_o of_o giffard_n p._n 79._o that_o though_o every_o one_o ought_v to_o keep_v a_o good_a conscience_n yet_o no_o private_a person_n be_v to_o take_v on_o they_o public_a authority_n to_o reform_v if_o we_o do_v so_o blame_v we_o for_o it_o 2._o these_o nonconformist_n all_o along_o speak_v of_o private_a person_n reform_v the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n now_o what_o be_v do_v among_o we_o of_o that_o kind_n be_v do_v by_o minister_n who_o though_o in_o the_o state_n they_o be_v private_a person_n and_o therefore_o be_v not_o to_o meddle_v with_o matter_n of_o that_o concern_n yet_o in_o the_o church_n they_o be_v public_a person_n and_o have_v authority_n from_o god_n to_o dispense_v his_o ordinance_n but_o i_o do_v not_o by_o what_o i_o have_v say_v intend_v to_o homologate_v all_o that_o the_o dr._n cit_v out_o of_o these_o nonconformist_n several_a thing_n they_o assert_v that_o can_v well_o be_v defend_v but_o i_o shall_v not_o digress_v so_o far_o as_o to_o particularize_v they_o sect._n 22._o i_o shall_v only_o say_v that_o have_v this_o principle_n of_o not_o reform_v the_o ordinance_n of_o christ_n by_o people_n among_o themselves_o till_o the_o magistrate_n give_v countenance_n take_v always_o place_n in_o the_o world_n not_o only_a christianity_n have_v not_o come_v in_o the_o place_n of_o judâ—ism_n but_o arrianism_n have_v extinguish_v the_o orthodox_n profession_n have_v we_o not_o example_n of_o people_n who_o be_v under_o arian_n bishop_n set_v up_o new_a bishop_n over_o themselves_o in_o epiphan_n haeres_fw-la 73_o do_v not_o hilary_n exhort_v the_o people_n to_o separate_v from_o auxentius_n their_o arian_n bishop_n adversus_fw-la arianos_fw-la when_o yet_o there_o be_v no_o orthodox_n magistrate_n to_o countenance_v these_o thing_n yea_o have_v this_o principle_n obtain_v there_o have_v be_v no_o reformation_n from_o popery_n in_o most_o place_n where_o now_o through_o the_o lord_n mercy_n it_o be_v say_v not_o that_o our_o reform_v of_o worship_n and_o discipline_n be_v not_o in_o thing_n of_o that_o moment_n for_o though_o that_o be_v true_a yet_o it_o be_v not_o of_o
be_o at_o home_o i_o will_v join_v with_o the_o public_a assembly_n in_o the_o true_a protestant_a church_n of_o england_n but_o that_o her_o ruler_n impose_v unlawful_a term_n of_o communion_n which_o force_v i_o and_o other_o to_o join_v together_o in_o worship_v god_n apart_o and_o in_o that_o assembly_n i_o be_o a_o member_n till_o i_o can_v find_v a_o sinless_a access_n to_o the_o public_a assembly_n where_o i_o desire_v to_o be_v a_o member_n i_o suppose_v the_o eastern_a christian_n such_o as_o be_v sober_a and_o serious_a of_o they_o and_o be_v due_o inform_v of_o the_o state_n of_o our_o debate_n will_v not_o think_v i_o no_o christian_a for_o this_o answer_n nor_o deny_v i_o occasional_a communion_n for_o it_o i_o be_o sure_a if_o they_o do_v they_o shall_v not_o then_o walk_v by_o the_o rule_n of_o the_o gospel_n sect._n 12._o another_o argumentative_a consideration_n be_v p._n 111._o we_o be_v baptize_v in_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o receive_v as_o member_n of_o it_o if_o then_o we_o communicate_v with_o it_o only_o occasional_o we_o renounce_v our_o membership_n ans._n wherever_o one_o be_v baptize_v that_o baptism_n make_v he_o only_o a_o member_n of_o the_o catholic_n church_n if_o a_o inhabitant_n of_o england_n be_v occasional_o in_o france_n and_o have_v his_o child_n there_o baptize_v in_o the_o english_a way_n or_o in_o the_o french_a way_n do_v that_o make_v it_o a_o member_n of_o the_o church_n of_o france_n though_o the_o child_n in_o infancy_n be_v bring_v to_o england_n and_o there_o have_v education_n and_o continue_v the_o dr._n have_v not_o it_o seem_v when_o his_o book_n have_v come_v this_o length_n hatch_v his_o fine_a notion_n of_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n be_v the_o rite_n of_o admission_n as_o a_o member_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n ans._n 2._o we_o be_v oblige_v to_o fix_a and_o constant_a communion_n though_o not_o by_o our_o be_v baptize_v in_o this_o church_n yet_o by_o our_o residence_n in_o it_o and_o own_v the_o same_o â—aith_n with_o it_o and_o be_v willing_a to_o own_o that_o membership_n and_o obligation_n but_o the_o church_n sinful_a imposition_n do_v take_v off_o this_o obligation_n for_o we_o can_v by_o any_o mean_n or_o case_n be_v oblige_v to_o sin_n and_o therefore_o we_o do_v not_o renounce_v our_o membership_n but_o the_o church_n hinder_v our_o answer_v that_o obligation_n that_o our_o membership_n lay_v on_o we_o the_o dr._n despise_v this_o our_o yield_n to_o occasional_a communion_n and_o it_o be_v no_o wonder_n for_o his_o party_n forasmuch_o as_o they_o talk_v against_o we_o for_o withdraw_a desire_n none_o of_o our_o communion_n as_o appear_v in_o exclude_v we_o by_o impose_v such_o term_n as_o they_o themselves_o count_v needless_a and_o we_o judge_v unlawful_a but_o whatever_o he_o think_v of_o it_o it_o be_v all_o that_o we_o can_v do_v we_o will_v bid_v more_o frank_o in_o bargain_v about_o our_o own_o matter_n but_o in_o god_n matter_n dare_v not_o go_v one_o ace_n beyond_o his_o warrant_n sect._n 13._o the_o next_o thing_n he_o bring_v against_o this_o occasional_a communion_n p._n 111_o 112._o be_v pure_a trifle_a unworthy_a of_o so_o learned_a a_o author_n that_o this_o occasional_a communion_n can_v be_v lawful_a above_o once_o or_o twice_o in_o a_o man_n life_n that_o there_o will_v arise_v a_o difficult_a case_n of_o conscience_n concern_v the_o lawfulness_n of_o not_o constant_a cleave_v to_o the_o pure_a occasion_n and_o leave_v pure_a administration_n to_o join_v with_o a_o defective_a church_n for_o a_o man_n may_v occasional_o have_v communion_n in_o public_a when_o he_o can_v have_v it_o in_o private_a and_o that_o often_o and_o these_o occasion_n we_o may_v embrace_v in_o a_o true_a church_n which_o we_o will_v not_o do_v in_o a_o false_a church_n but_o rather_o be_v without_o the_o ordinance_n for_o that_o time_n again_o we_o do_v not_o speak_v of_o occasional_a communion_n with_o the_o church_n in_o any_o of_o her_o corruption_n we_o shall_v always_o abstain_v from_o and_o reprove_v those_o as_o he_o speak_v these_o thing_n be_v consider_v the_o difficult_a case_n of_o conscience_n that_o he_o fancy_n have_v a_o easy_a resolution_n that_o when_o we_o can_v enjoy_v god_n ordinance_n in_o the_o society_n to_o which_o we_o be_v join_v to_o shun_v the_o sinful_a imposition_n that_o be_v in_o public_a we_o shall_v wait_v on_o they_o there_o rather_o than_o elsewhere_o but_o when_o that_o occasion_n be_v not_o offer_v we_o may_v join_v with_o a_o church_n in_o some_o thing_n corrupt_v in_o such_o ordinance_n that_o be_v not_o corrupt_v in_o it_o sect._n 14._o his_o next_o argument_n be_v that_o here_o be_v no_o bound_n to_o the_o people_n fancy_n of_o pure_a administration_n and_o less_o defective_a way_n of_o worship_n so_o that_o there_o can_v be_v no_o stop_n to_o separation_n in_o this_o way_n this_o argument_n the_o dr._n prosecute_v with_o facetious_a scoff_v more_o than_o with_o solid_a reason_n which_o he_o but_o undeserved_o most_o severe_o have_v tax_v mr._n a._n for_o he_o tell_v we_o of_o desert_v our_o meeting_n when_o the_o first_o relish_n be_v over_o and_o go_v to_o anabaptist_n and_o thence_o to_o the_o quaker_n and_o that_o they_o be_v bind_v to_o forsake_v we_o on_o the_o same_o reason_n that_o we_o leave_v the_o church_n unless_o they_o be_v secure_a that_o the_o perfection_n of_o our_o way_n be_v so_o glare_o visible_a to_o all_o mankind_n that_o it_o be_v impossible_a for_o they_o either_o to_o find_v or_o fancy_n any_o defect_n in_o it_o nothing_o here_o that_o have_v a_o shadow_n of_o argument_n but_o it_o be_v already_o object_v and_o answer_v but_o the_o dr._n fall_v into_o frequent_a repetition_n i_o answer_v it_o be_v not_o only_o for_o pure_a administration_n that_o we_o withdraw_v but_o to_o shun_v sinful_a imposition_n which_o i_o be_o sure_a neither_o anabaptist_n nor_o quaker_n can_v just_o allege_v neither_o be_v it_o the_o glare_a visibility_n but_o the_o real_a scripture-warrant_a for_o our_o way_n that_o condemn_v they_o for_o depart_v from_o we_o nor_o will_v fancy_v defect_n in_o our_o way_n excuse_v they_o but_o real_a sinful_a term_n in_o our_o communion_n but_o that_o some_o will_n without_o cause_n separate_v from_o we_o be_v no_o reason_n why_o we_o shall_v not_o on_o just_a cause_n withdraw_v from_o you_o such_o a_o way_n of_o reason_v from_o the_o ill_a use_n that_o some_o will_v make_v of_o our_o do_v our_o duty_n be_v too_o vulgar_a to_o come_v from_o so_o learned_a a_o pen._n the_o dr._n when_o he_o write_v this_o have_v forget_v it_o seem_v what_o he_o have_v say_v iren._n p._n 109._o where_o he_o say_v a_o christian_n be_v bind_v to_o adhere_v to_o that_o church_n which_o appear_v most_o to_o retain_v the_o evangelical_n purity_n which_o assertion_n i_o no_o further_o improve_v than_o ad_fw-la hominem_fw-la count_v it_o the_o opposite_a extreme_a to_o what_o he_o here_o plead_v for_o it_o be_v incident_a even_o to_o wise_a man_n dum_fw-la vitant_fw-la vitia_fw-la that_o in_o contraria_fw-la currunt_fw-la it_o be_v downright_a for_o we_o and_o against_o himself_o what_o he_o have_v iren._n p._n 116._o a_o christian_a be_v bind_v to_o break_v off_o from_o that_o society_n that_o injoin_v some_o corruption_n as_o to_o practice_n what_o he_o cit_v out_o of_o mr._n baxter_n be_v a_o good_a and_o sound_a reproof_n to_o they_o that_o causeless_o divide_v the_o church_n if_o he_o intend_v it_o against_o any_o other_o let_v he_o answer_v it_o the_o sad_a effect_n of_o r._n william_n separation_n in_o new-england_n do_v not_o concern_v we_o further_o than_o to_o lament_v they_o unless_o the_o dr._n can_v prove_v that_o we_o have_v no_o better_a reason_n for_o what_o we_o do_v than_o he_o have_v sect._n 15._o his_o refutation_n of_o mr._n b_n answer_n to_o this_o objection_n that_o he_o have_v make_v i_o insist_v not_o on_o save_o that_o i_o observe_v his_o usual_a way_n here_o also_o his_o represent_v his_o adversary_n as_o if_o they_o hold_v that_o people_n apprehension_n of_o a_o less_o defective_a way_n of_o worship_n be_v sufficient_a ground_n for_o they_o to_o break_v the_o church_n in_o piece_n we_o think_v the_o less_o defective_a that_o worship_n be_v it_o be_v the_o better_a but_o it_o may_v be_v the_o dr._n as_o well_o as_o mr._n b._n write_v sometime_o in_o haste_n neither_o do_v we_o think_v defectiveness_n but_o real_a sinfulness_n and_o that_o impose_v on_o we_o as_o the_o term_n of_o our_o communion_n a_o sufficient_a ground_n of_o separation_n far_o less_o do_v we_o think_v that_o the_o people_n apprehension_n of_o defectiveness_n in_o worship_n be_v a_o sufficient_a ground_n unless_o that_o apprehension_n be_v found_v on_o scripture_n or_o find_v reason_n and_o lest_o of_o all_o do_v we_o think_v that_o such_o
impose_v of_o they_o his_o reason_n of_o this_o be_v not_o so_o clear_a to_o wit_n where_o there_o be_v no_o plain_a prohibition_n man_n may_v with_o ordinary_a care_n and_o judgement_n satisfy_v themselves_o of_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o the_o thing_n require_v and_o there_o be_v no_o plain_a prohibition_n he_o say_v of_o the_o liturgy_n and_o ceremony_n we_o deny_v the_o impose_v the_o liturgy_n and_o ceremony_n to_o be_v as_o much_o in_o man_n power_n as_o be_v the_o determine_n of_o circumstance_n of_o time_n and_o place_n and_o suchlike_a we_o deny_v also_o that_o man_n with_o the_o best_a care_n and_o judgement_n can_v see_v the_o lawfulness_n of_o every_o thing_n impose_v in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n for_o of_o such_o thing_n we_o now_o discourse_v that_o be_v not_o plain_o prohibit_v for_o what_o if_o they_o be_v prohibit_v though_o not_o plain_o it_o be_v too_o great_a peremptoriness_n to_o take_v upon_o we_o to_o teach_v the_o spirit_n of_o god_n how_o to_o speak_v in_o scripture_n if_o he_o expect_v obedience_n from_o we_o the_o dr._n be_v in_o this_o strain_n also_o in_o his_o irâ—nicum_n if_o we_o have_v any_o hint_n of_o his_o will_n though_o never_o so_o obscure_o so_o as_o we_o can_v understand_v that_o it_o be_v the_o mind_n of_o god_n we_o be_v oblige_v to_o obey_v it_o again_o we_o deny_v that_o want_v of_o either_o obscure_a or_o plain_a prohibition_n be_v good_a ground_n to_o satisfy_v we_o about_o religious_a ceremony_n that_o they_o be_v lawful_a though_o impose_v by_o man_n it_o be_v enough_o that_o they_o be_v not_o command_v nor_o institute_v will_v worship_n be_v condemn_v in_o scripture_n and_o can_v it_o be_v deny_v that_o what_o be_v not_o command_v though_o it_o be_v not_o plain_o forbid_v be_v will-worship_n and_o what_o argument_n will_v the_o dr._n bring_v against_o most_o of_o the_o popish_a ceremony_n but_o that_o they_o be_v not_o command_v where_o be_v the_o plain_a prohibition_n of_o they_o sect._n 5._o further_o we_o say_v that_o the_o liturgy_n and_o ceremony_n be_v plain_o enough_o forbid_v though_o not_o in_o particular_a yet_o in_o general_a term_n the_o tradition_n of_o man_n in_o god_n worship_n be_v plain_o forbid_v mat._n 15._o 7_o 8_o 9_o mark_v 7._o 6_o 7_o 8._o gal._n 4._o 9_o 10_o 11._o col._n 2._o 20._o which_o scripture_n and_o other_o argument_n prove_v they_o to_o be_v forbid_v by_o god_n have_v be_v so_o full_o manage_v against_o his_o party_n without_o any_o answer_n as_o may_v let_v the_o world_n see_v that_o neither_o ordinary_a care_n nor_o judgement_n have_v be_v want_v to_o find_v out_o the_o lawfulness_n of_o such_o imposition_n and_o yet_o we_o can_v find_v it_o i_o shall_v not_o now_o repeat_v what_o i_o have_v elsewhere_o say_v to_o this_o purpose_n but_o intend_v to_o answer_v what_o the_o dr._n will_v please_v to_o say_v in_o defence_n of_o these_o his_o lawful_a imposition_n sect._n 6._o the_o dr._n be_v at_o some_o pain_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o prohibition_n of_o these_o be_v not_o in_o the_o second_o commandment_n but_o if_o he_o will_v have_v convince_v we_o of_o our_o error_n he_o shall_v have_v prove_v that_o they_o be_v neither_o forbid_v there_o nor_o elsewhere_o by_o give_v satisfy_v answer_n to_o all_o our_o other_o argument_n but_o he_o be_v please_v to_o insist_v only_o on_o our_o argument_n from_o the_o second_o commandment_n and_o to_o that_o as_o he_o be_v please_v to_o frame_v it_o he_o give_v a_o answer_n such_o as_o it_o be_v i_o observe_v some_o mistake_n in_o his_o treat_v of_o this_o argument_n 1._o that_o he_o expect_v that_o the_o liturgy_n and_o ceremony_n shall_v have_v be_v forbid_v in_o word_n if_o they_o be_v forbid_v that_o be_v that_o they_o shall_v have_v be_v express_o name_v will_v he_o forbear_v no_o sin_n but_o what_o be_v name_v in_o one_o of_o the_o ten_o commandment_n what_o will_v he_o say_v of_o fornication_n incest_n rebellion_n against_o king_n etc._n etc._n may_v be_v he_o will_v say_v these_o be_v forbid_v express_o in_o other_o part_n of_o scripture_n ans._n so_o be_v humane_a invention_n in_o god_n worship_n as_o have_v be_v show_v and_o beside_o it_o be_v impertinent_a to_o deny_v fornication_n to_o be_v forbid_v in_o the_o seven_o commandment_n because_o it_o be_v not_o name_v there_o though_o it_o be_v in_o other_o scripture_n even_o so_o it_o be_v here_o yea_o i_o suppose_v the_o dr._n will_v not_o think_v that_o whatever_o be_v not_o name_v in_o scripture_n as_o a_o sin_n be_v no_o sin_n mispend_v the_o sabbath_n day_n in_o sleep_n idleness_n play_n etc._n etc._n advise_v or_o command_v one_o man_n to_o murder_v another_o and_o many_o thing_n of_o that_o nature_n be_v not_o name_v in_o scripture_n and_o yet_o comprehend_v under_o general_a prohibition_n sect._n 7._o 2._o his_o question_n be_v very_o absurd_a how_o shall_v we_o come_v by_o the_o sense_n but_o by_o the_o word_n he_o must_v mean_v the_o word_n of_o the_o second_o commandment_n and_o then_o i_o answer_v that_o we_o can_v never_o by_o this_o way_n know_v the_o sense_n of_o the_o seven_o commandment_n fornication_n be_v a_o sin_n nor_o by_o the_o word_n of_o the_o six_o commandment_n can_v we_o know_v it_o be_v a_o sin_n to_o say_v to_o our_o brother_n thou_o fool_n wherefore_o have_v the_o spirit_n of_o god_n write_v so_o much_o more_o scripture_n hold_v forth_o sin_n and_o duty_n if_o we_o be_v only_o to_o look_v to_o the_o bare_a word_n of_o the_o ten_o commandment_n for_o learn_v the_o preceptive_a or_o directive_n part_n of_o his_o reveal_v will_n his_o command_n be_v exceed_o broad_a ps._n 119._o 96._o and_o therefore_o we_o be_v to_o look_v for_o more_o understanding_n from_o they_o than_o the_o word_n by_o themselves_o can_v afford_v we_o ezra_n and_o the_o levite_n read_v the_o word_n to_o the_o people_n and_o give_v the_o sense_n neh_n 8._o 8._o it_o be_v our_o duty_n also_o to_o read_v it_o and_o inquire_v into_o the_o sense_n of_o it_o one_o useful_a mean_n of_o come_v by_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o commandment_n be_v to_o consider_v how_o they_o be_v expound_v by_o christ_n enlarge_v on_o by_o the_o prophet_n and_o apostle_n injoin_v and_o forbid_v thing_n of_o the_o same_o nature_n with_o what_o the_o word_n of_o the_o command_n do_v express_v and_o in_o general_a we_o must_v compare_v scripture_n with_o scripture_n if_o we_o will_v understand_v the_o meaning_n of_o the_o several_a part_n of_o it_o it_o be_v strange_a that_o the_o dr._n and_o his_o paâ—ty_n shall_v deal_v so_o unequal_o they_o take_v a_o great_a deal_n of_o liberty_n to_o impose_v thing_n on_o the_o church_n of_o god_n from_o a_o very_a general_a command_n let_v all_o thing_n be_v do_v decent_o and_o in_o order_n which_o word_n they_o practice_v upon_o at_o their_o pleasure_n devise_v rite_n for_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n and_o bring_v this_o to_o warrant_v they_o though_o they_o can_v bring_v no_o such_o sense_n out_o of_o the_o word_n as_o that_o crossing_n kneel_v etc._n etc._n be_v 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to_o express_v it_o thus_o that_o in_o every_o negative_a precept_n the_o contrary_a duty_n be_v command_v and_o in_o the_o affirmative_a precept_n the_o contrary_a sin_n be_v forbid_v his_o answer_n be_v there_o be_v here_o a_o command_n to_o worship_n god_n without_o a_o image_n a_o logician_n will_v say_v this_o be_v still_o a_o negative_a command_n for_o here_o the_o matter_n of_o this_o precept_n be_v express_v negative_a all_o protestant_n divine_v agree_v that_o the_o matter_n of_o the_o second_o command_n be_v the_o mâ—dus_fw-la of_o divine_a worship_n divine_a worship_n itself_o be_v command_v and_o what_o be_v contrary_a to_o it_o forbid_v in_o the_o first_o commandment_n now_o though_o this_o preceptive_a proposition_n of_o the_o dr_n worship_n god_n be_v set_v down_o
affirmative_a yet_o the_o manner_n how_o god_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v be_v set_v down_o negative_a and_o therefore_o he_o have_v yet_o give_v we_o no_o duty_n command_v in_o the_o second_o commandment_n but_o only_o the_o way_n of_o worship_v god_n by_o a_o image_n forbid_v which_o he_o shun_v to_o say_v or_o we_o must_v seek_v for_o some_o other_o way_n to_o express_v the_o affirmative_a part_n of_o this_o commandment_n sect._n 9_o we_o may_v then_o conclude_v that_o it_o be_v enjoin_v in_o this_o command_n that_o we_o shall_v worship_v god_n in_o the_o way_n that_o he_o have_v prescribe_v to_o we_o in_o his_o word_n this_o be_v elsewhere_o command_v exod._n 25._o 9_o 40._o and_o the_o contrary_n be_v severe_o reprove_v isa._n 66._o 3._o jer._n 7._o 31._o from_o all_o these_o place_n it_o be_v evident_a that_o god_n be_v to_o be_v worship_v according_a to_o his_o own_o institution_n and_o no_o otherwise_o and_o i_o hope_v the_o dr._n will_v not_o dissent_v from_o the_o generality_n of_o divine_n who_o hold_v that_o all_o sin_n and_o duty_n hold_v forth_o in_o other_o place_n of_o scripture_n be_v reducible_a to_o one_o of_o the_o commandment_n and_o to_o which_o of_o they_o can_v this_o duty_n of_o worship_v god_n by_o the_o prescript_n of_o his_o word_n be_v reduce_v if_o not_o to_o the_o second_o hence_o we_o conclude_v that_o the_o affirmative_a part_n of_o the_o second_o commandment_n be_v that_o we_o ought_v to_o worship_n god_n in_o the_o way_n that_o he_o himself_o have_v prescribe_v in_o the_o word_n and_o if_o the_o dr._n can_v make_v it_o appear_v that_o the_o liturgy_n and_o ceremony_n be_v prescribe_v there_o whether_o plain_o or_o obscure_o direct_o or_o by_o consequence_n we_o shall_v own_v they_o 5._o whereas_o we_o say_v that_o it_o be_v a_o prohibition_n comprehend_v in_o the_o second_o commandment_n that_o we_o must_v worship_v god_n by_o our_o own_o invention_n he_o say_v no_o invention_n be_v condemn_v in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n but_o such_o as_o god_n himself_o have_v somewhere_o forbid_v but_o he_o have_v no_o where_o forbid_v the_o liturgy_n and_o ceremony_n the_o meaning_n of_o this_o must_v be_v a_o general_a prohibition_n of_o humane_a invention_n be_v not_o sufficient_a but_o notwithstanding_o that_o they_o be_v general_o forbid_v man_n may_v devise_v and_o bring_v into_o god_n worship_n and_o impose_v on_o other_o what_o they_o please_v if_o that_o in_o particular_a be_v not_o forbid_v by_o a_o particular_a precept_n wherein_o it_o be_v name_v or_o otherwise_o particularise_v what_o a_o mad_a exposition_n of_o the_o second_o commandment_n be_v this_o he_o may_v as_o well_o say_v when_o it_o be_v say_v thou_o shall_v not_o kill_v i_o may_v for_o all_o that_o kill_v any_o man_n i_o please_v if_o there_o be_v not_o a_o particular_a command_v not_o to_o kill_v such_o a_o man._n be_v there_o particular_a prohibition_n of_o the_o several_a ceremony_n that_o be_v use_v in_o popery_n or_o must_v the_o bible_n have_v be_v make_v so_o voluminous_a as_o to_o mention_v every_o circumstantiate_a case_n otherwise_o we_o will_v take_v no_o notice_n of_o its_o general_a precept_n be_v not_o this_o stretch_n and_o force_v of_o scripture_n to_o defend_v a_o bad_a cause_n which_o he_o below_o charge_v we_o with_o sect._n 10._o the_o dr._n as_o conscious_a to_o the_o insufficiency_n of_o this_o shift_n come_v in_o the_o five_o place_n to_o excuse_v the_o ceremony_n from_o fall_v under_o the_o second_o command_n by_o tell_v we_o of_o two_o sort_n of_o humane_a invention_n forbid_v in_o it_o and_o no_o other_o 1._o such_o as_o go_v about_o to_o represent_v god_n and_o so_o to_o disparage_v he_o for_o he_o say_v the_o reason_n of_o the_o law_n to_o wit_n the_o spiritual_a and_o invisible_a nature_n of_o god_n extend_v only_o to_o these_o ans._n 1._o it_o seem_v then_o worship_v god_n by_o or_o before_o a_o crucifix_n be_v not_o here_o forbid_v for_o that_o do_v not_o go_v about_o to_o represent_v or_o disparage_v god_n but_o only_o to_o represent_v christ_n as_o man._n the_o same_o may_v be_v say_v of_o all_o the_o use_n of_o the_o image_n of_o saint_n in_o the_o worship_n of_o god_n that_o be_v among_o the_o papist_n that_o be_v they_o be_v all_o innocent_a by_o this_o doctrine_n for_o if_o these_o be_v not_o forbid_v in_o the_o second_o commandment_n the_o dr._n will_v find_v it_o hard_o to_o refute_v these_o practice_n from_o scripture_n if_o such_o a_o passage_n have_v drop_v from_o the_o pen_n of_o a_o nonconformist_a how_o will_v the_o dr._n have_v improve_v it_o against_o the_o whole_a party_n as_o do_v the_o papist_n work_v for_o they_o as_o he_o have_v charge_v they_o on_o far_o less_o ground_n than_o this_o be_v ans._n 2._o see_v other_o way_n of_o uncommanded_a worship_n be_v condemn_v in_o scripture_n as_o have_v be_v show_v what_o reason_n be_v there_o to_o say_v that_o this_o way_n of_o it_o alone_o be_v here_o mean_v this_o be_v to_o expound_v scripture_n ad_fw-la libitum_fw-la and_o amplify_v or_o restrain_v it_o as_o our_o fancy_n or_o interest_n lead_v we_o ans._n 3._o i_o deny_v not_o the_o spiritual_a and_o inviâ—â—ble_a nature_n of_o god_n to_o be_v a_o good_a reason_n of_o this_o law_n but_o i_o deny_v it_o to_o be_v either_o the_o sole_a reason_n of_o it_o or_o the_o reason_n of_o it_o that_o be_v express_v in_o the_o law_n itself_o which_o be_v that_o he_o be_v a_o jealous_a god_n and_o will_v punish_v the_o corrupter_n of_o his_o worship_n now_o this_o reason_n of_o the_o law_n do_v evident_o extend_v to_o all_o way_n of_o worship_v he_o that_o he_o have_v not_o enjoin_v make_v bold_a to_o worship_v he_o in_o any_o of_o these_o way_n be_v a_o derogation_n from_o that_o sovereignty_n that_o he_o have_v over_o man_n especial_o in_o his_o own_o worship_n which_o have_v a_o near_a dependence_n on_o his_o institution_n than_o other_o thing_n have_v sect._n 11._o the_o other_o sort_n of_o humane_a invention_n that_o he_o will_v exempt_v from_o the_o scope_n and_o sense_n of_o this_o commandment_n be_v such_o as_o relate_v to_o the_o manner_n and_o form_n of_o worship_n suppose_v the_o worship_n itself_o to_o be_v perform_v in_o a_o way_n agreeable_a to_o the_o divine_a nature_n and_o law._n ans._n 1._o i_o desire_v to_o know_v of_o the_o dr._n what_o difference_n he_o make_v between_o the_o manner_n or_o form_n of_o worship_n and_o the_o way_n of_o worship_n when_o he_o suppose_v the_o way_n of_o it_o to_o be_v agreeable_a to_o the_o divine_a nature_n and_o law_n while_o yet_o the_o controversy_n be_v whether_o the_o manner_n and_o form_n of_o it_o be_v so_o this_o be_v a_o subtlety_n that_o i_o can_v reach_v but_o word_n must_v serve_v to_o palliate_v a_o bad_a cause_n when_o reason_n can_v defend_v it_o will_v then_o the_o dr._n say_v that_o the_o way_n of_o divine_a worship_n be_v enjoin_v in_o this_o command_n but_o not_o the_o manner_n and_o form_n of_o it_o i_o hope_v he_o will_v not_o deny_v that_o the_o 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the_o reason_n why_o the_o orthodox_n may_v worship_n god_n apart_o from_o the_o arian_n was_z because_o it_o have_v be_v their_o sin_n to_o join_v in_o corrupt_a worship_n though_o we_o do_v not_o equal_v the_o own_n of_o the_o arian_n doctrine_n and_o use_v the_o ceremony_n yet_o we_o reckon_v the_o one_o to_o be_v sin_n as_o real_o as_o the_o other_o and_o we_o may_v not_o commit_v a_o small_a sin_n to_o enjoy_v communion_n with_o a_o church_n more_o than_o we_o may_v commit_v a_o great_a sin_n for_o that_o end_n and_o we_o be_v not_o oblige_v to_o live_v without_o the_o ordinance_n of_o god_n when_o we_o can_v have_v they_o with_o the_o church_n without_o sin_n more_o than_o the_o oxthodox_n be_v who_o live_v under_o the_o arian_n sect._n 3_o though_o the_o dr._n it_o seem_v have_v design_v this_o section_n for_o state_v of_o the_o question_n upon_o which_o his_o whole_a book_n be_v found_v i_o see_v no_o formal_a state_v of_o it_o concession_n be_v but_o preparatory_a to_o the_o 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different_a testimony_n of_o antiquity_n the_o succession_n of_o bishop_n from_o the_o apostle_n time_n be_v hereby_o secure_v for_o which_o irenaeus_n tertullian_n and_o cyprian_a stand_n and_o with_o this_o consist_v all_o that_o jerom_n and_o epiphemus_fw-la say_v of_o the_o different_a settlement_n of_o church_n at_o first_o to_o all_o this_o i_o repone_v these_o few_o thing_n 1._o is_n be_v most_o false_a that_o the_o apostle_n manage_v church_n government_n by_o themselves_o while_o they_o live_v the_o contrary_n i_o have_v prove_v as_o to_o ordination_n and_o excommunication_n in_o corintâ—_n and_o thâ—ssalâ—niâ—a_n that_o these_o be_v in_o the_o hand_n of_o ordinary_a officer_n though_o superintended_a by_o the_o apostle_n 2._o that_o they_o settle_a bishop_n any_o where_o either_o in_o their_o own_o time_n or_o leave_v order_n for_o it_o to_o be_v do_v after_o their_o decease_n be_v also_o false_a the_o incontroullable_n evidence_n of_o it_o that_o the_o dr._n talk_v of_o be_v 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day_n he_o give_v account_n to_o the_o ordinary_a ans._n this_o be_v far_o from_o amount_v to_o the_o power_n that_o christ_n give_v to_o his_o minister_n for_o 1._o by_o what_o law_n of_o christ_n be_v the_o presbyter_n accountable_a to_o the_o bishop_n more_o than_o the_o bishop_n be_v accountable_a to_o he_o christ_n make_v they_o equal_a 2._o i_o see_v no_o reason_n why_o a_o presbyter_n by_o himself_o shall_v have_v power_n to_o debar_v any_o it_o shall_v be_v do_v by_o presbyter_n in_o common_a the_o new_a testament_n know_v no_o such_o thing_n as_o excommunication_n either_o great_a or_o lesser_a by_o a_o single_a person_n except_o it_o be_v by_o a_o apostle_n but_o our_o bishop_n think_v they_o have_v such_o a_o plenitude_n of_o power_n that_o they_o may_v delegate_v as_o much_o of_o it_o as_o they_o please_v to_o any_o other_o person_n 3._o i_o see_v the_o dr._n be_v at_o a_o stand_n what_o sort_n of_o censure_n this_o act_n of_o the_o parochial_a minister_n be_v it_o be_v 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of_o what_o be_v represent_v by_o christ_n sign_n viz._n one_o part_n of_o the_o covenant_n there_o seal_v which_o be_v subjection_n to_o and_o own_v of_o the_o redeemer_n and_o put_v this_o their_o sign_n in_o the_o same_o religious_a state_n with_o christ_n sign_n so_o as_o there_o be_v no_o difference_n between_o they_o but_o the_o authority_n by_o which_o they_o be_v institute_v it_o may_v be_v warrantable_o say_v that_o they_o make_v a_o sacramental_a sign_n and_o that_o they_o make_v a_o new_a sacrament_n as_o far_o as_o man_n can_v make_v it_o 8._o that_o we_o may_v devise_v a_o sign_n to_o represent_v the_o duty_n in_o baptism_n because_o the_o duty_n be_v we_o as_o god_n appoint_v the_o sign_n to_o represent_v the_o grace_n because_o that_o be_v he_o be_v a_o strange_a assertion_n for_o that_o be_v to_o allow_v man_n a_o equal_a share_n with_o god_n in_o institute_v a_o sacrament_n in_o which_o both_o the_o grace_n of_o god_n and_o the_o duty_n of_o man_n or_o his_o engagement_n to_o his_o duty_n be_v seal_v and_o represent_v if_o ceremony_n must_v have_v such_o divinity_n to_o defend_v they_o i_o shall_v be_v less_o in_o love_n with_o they_o than_o before_o sect._n 19_o he_o deny_v p._n 349._o that_o the_o cross_n in_o baptism_n be_v intend_v by_o the_o church_n as_o a_o sign_n of_o immediate_a dedication_n to_o god_n but_o of_o obligation_n on_o the_o person_n and_o labour_v to_o clear_v the_o thirty_o canon_n assert_v the_o contrary_a which_o say_v that_o by_o it_o the_o infant_n be_v dedicate_v to_o the_o service_n of_o he_o who_o die_v on_o the_o cross._n what_o he_o say_v for_o vindicate_v this_o canon_n be_v that_o baptism_n be_v complete_a before_o cross_v and_o so_o it_o be_v no_o part_n of_o baptismal_a dedication_n and_o that_o the_o minister_n baptise_v in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n but_o sign_v with_o the_o cross_n in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n who_o by_o that_o rite_n receive_v the_o infant_n into_o their_o number_n and_o 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in_o a_o piece_n of_o god_n solemn_a worship_n and_o appropriate_v to_o that_o worship_n be_v by_o its_o signification_n its_o end_n its_o concomitant_a circumstance_n so_o state_v as_o the_o use_n of_o that_o sign_n can_v but_o be_v a_o religious_a act_n and_o so_o a_o part_n of_o god_n worship_n which_o as_o the_o dr._n himself_o confess_v need_v divine_a institution_n and_o can_v lawful_o be_v appoint_v by_o the_o church_n 3._o i_o wonder_v why_o the_o dr._n shall_v endeavour_v to_o vindicate_v that_o canon_n that_o he_o cit_v from_o mean_v what_o it_o express_o say_v viz._n that_o by_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n the_o infant_n be_v dedicate_v to_o the_o service_n of_o he_o who_o die_v on_o the_o cross_n it_o be_v impossible_a to_o shun_v expound_v this_o of_o a_o dedicate_a sign_n without_o do_v the_o great_a violence_n imaginable_a to_o the_o plain_a word_n neither_o be_v there_o the_o least_o shadow_n of_o ground_n to_o think_v that_o immediate_a dedication_n be_v not_o here_o mean_v see_v the_o infant_n be_v say_v to_o be_v dedicate_v by_o this_o sign_n without_o the_o least_o hint_n of_o any_o intervenient_a dedicate_a sign_n or_o cause_n between_o the_o sign_n and_o that_o which_o the_o dr._n will_v call_v immediate_a dedication_n 4._o when_o he_o say_v the_o crâ—ssing_n be_v no_o part_n of_o baptismal_a dedication_n the_o meaning_n must_v be_v it_o be_v not_o a_o part_n of_o dedication_n by_o that_o sign_n that_o christ_n appoint_v viz._n baptise_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o father_n son_n and_o holy_a ghost_n none_o doubt_v of_o that_o but_o how_o do_v this_o show_n that_o it_o be_v no_o dedicate_a sign_n as_o the_o canon_n say_v or_o no_o immediate_a dedicate_a sign_n as_o the_o dr._n allege_v it_o be_v a_o sign_n devise_v by_o man_n to_o dedicate_v the_o infant_n add_v to_o the_o sign_n appoint_v by_o god_n for_o the_o same_o end_n now_o our_o question_n be_v what_o warrant_v have_v man_n for_o make_v such_o a_o addition_n to_o so_o great_a a_o ordinance_n of_o god_n 5._o the_o next_o thing_n for_o vindicate_v the_o canon_n be_v that_o the_o minister_n baptise_v in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n but_o sign_v in_o the_o name_n of_o the_o church_n be_v as_o little_a for_o his_o purpose_n for_o who_o give_v the_o church_n power_n to_o institute_n a_o dedicate_a sign_n to_o be_v administer_v in_o her_o name_n and_o set_v it_o up_o by_o christ_n dedicate_a sign_n to_o be_v administer_v in_o his_o name_n this_o seem_v to_o be_v a_o addition_n to_o christ_n ordinance_n and_o a_o reflection_n on_o it_o as_o imperfect_a as_o if_o the_o child_n be_v not_o sufficient_o dedicate_v to_o the_o redeemer_n by_o christ_n sign_n that_o he_o have_v institute_v for_o that_o end._n 6._o it_o do_v least_o of_o all_o vindicate_v the_o canon_n which_o he_o add_v to_o wit_n that_o by_o it_o the_o sign_n of_o the_o cross_n the_o church_n receive_v the_o infant_n into_o their_o number_n for_o this_o be_v a_o quite_o other_o thing_n than_o the_o canon_n say_v and_o to_o make_v that_o the_o meaning_n of_o the_o canon_n be_v to_o take_v a_o liberty_n to_o impose_v what_o meaning_n upon_o it_o he_o please_v let_v the_o reader_n now_o judge_n whether_o by_o any_o thing_n that_o he_o have_v say_v all_o the_o difficulty_n about_o dedicate_a covenant_a symbolical_a sacramental_a sign_n do_v appear_v to_o be_v of_o no_o force_n sect._n 20._o he_o ask_v page_n 350._o why_o may_v not_o the_o church_n appoint_v such_o a_o rite_n of_o admission_n of_o one_o of_o her_o member_n declare_v it_o to_o be_v no_o part_n of_o baptism_n answer_n the_o church_n have_v not_o appoint_v it_o as_o a_o rite_n of_o admission_n of_o a_o member_n but_o a_o rite_n of_o dedicate_a the_o person_n to_o christ_n as_o have_v be_v show_v and_o the_o reason_n why_o he_o may_v not_o do_v it_o be_v because_o christ_n have_v already_o do_v it_o sufficient_o he_o have_v appoint_v baptism_n both_o for_o dedicate_a the_o person_n to_o himself_o and_o for_o admit_v he_o into_o his_o church_n therefore_o man_n ought_v not_o to_o contrive_v their_o sign_n for_o that_o end_n which_o he_o have_v abundant_o provide_v for_o by_o his_o own_o mean_n another_o reason_n why_o this_o may_v not_o be_v do_v be_v because_o this_o sign_n be_v so_o state_v in_o the_o word_n of_o god_n by_o be_v do_v in_o the_o solemn_a exercise_n of_o it_o for_o a_o religious_a end_n and_o appropriate_v to_o this_o religious_a exercise_n that_o it_o can_v be_v otherwise_o look_v on_o than_o as_o a_o piece_n of_o god_n worship_n he_o parallel_v this_o with_o hold_v up_o the_o hand_n in_o a_o independent-church_n present_o after_o baptism_n as_o a_o sign_n of_o admission_n into_o that_o particular_a church_n answer_v 1._o i_o know_v no_o warrant_n for_o such_o a_o admit_v rite_n baptism_n be_v sufficient_a to_o make_v one_o a_o member_n of_o christ_n church_n and_o that_o make_v one_o a_o member_n of_o any_o particular_a church_n where_o providence_n cast_v his_o lot_n 2._o if_o independent_o shall_v state_n this_o admit_v rite_n in_o the_o very_a solemnity_n of_o baptism_n before_o the_o complex_fw-la action_n be_v finish_v they_o be_v to_o be_v blame_v but_o they_o do_v not_o so_o they_o make_v a_o observable_a difference_n as_o to_o time_n and_o other_o circumstance_n between_o these_o two_o action_n 3._o sign_v with_o the_o cross_n be_v not_o a_o mere_a admit_v sign_n into_o a_o particular_a church_n as_o shall_v afterward_o be_v discourse_v but_o also_o a_o dedicate_a sign_n as_o the_o canon_n express_o say_v and_o therefore_o this_o parallel_n be_v null_a sect._n 21._o he_o next_o blame_v mr._n b._n for_o suppose_v that_o the_o minister_n sign_v the_o child_n speak_v in_o the_o name_n of_o christ_n or_o as_o his_o officer_n and_o
the_o dr._n be_v please_v sect._n 32._o to_o engage_v in_o a_o debate_n with_o mr._n a._n about_o bow_v at_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n and_o count_v oppose_v it_o a_o blow_n at_o the_o church_n if_o the_o dr._n will_v have_v defend_v this_o ceremony_n he_o shall_v have_v answer_v what_o be_v of_o purpose_n learned_o and_o solid_o write_v against_o it_o by_o mr_n william_n wicken_n and_o twelve_o argument_n against_o it_o by_o another_o hand_n and_o not_o satisfy_v himself_o with_o answer_v some_o occasional_a reflection_n make_v on_o it_o by_o mr._n a._n but_o this_o ceremony_n be_v impose_v by_o the_o church_n as_o one_o of_o the_o term_n of_o her_o communion_n which_o i_o know_v not_o till_o i_o find_v the_o dr._n here_o do_v not_o deny_v it_o i_o shall_v a_o little_a consider_v it_o by_o propose_v our_o scruple_n against_o the_o use_n of_o it_o and_o take_v off_o the_o edge_n of_o what_o the_o dr._n bring_v in_o defence_n of_o it_o but_o we_o must_v first_o consider_v the_o true_a state_n of_o the_o controversy_n which_o be_v not_o whether_o all_o possible_a honour_n be_v due_a to_o the_o glorious_a person_n who_o be_v so_o name_v nor_o whether_o it_o be_v unlawful_a at_o the_o hear_n of_o that_o name_n or_o any_o other_o name_n whereby_o that_o bless_a person_n or_o either_o of_o the_o other_o person_n of_o the_o godhead_n be_v design_v to_o have_v the_o heart_n raise_v to_o adore_v that_o majesty_n who_o saint_n and_o angel_n worship_n yea_o nor_o three_o whether_o it_o be_v in_o itself_o and_o always_o a_o sin_n to_o express_v our_o adoration_n of_o he_o by_o a_o outward_a sign_n of_o kneel_v as_o bowing_z or_o lift_v up_o the_o eye_n when_o the_o heart_n be_v thus_o excite_v by_o the_o mention_n of_o his_o name_n or_o any_o of_o these_o other_o name_n all_o these_o we_o ready_o yield_v and_o our_o brethren_n on_o the_o other_o hand_n grant_v that_o no_o worship_n direct_v or_o indirect_a mediate_a nor_o immediate_a such_o as_o papist_n give_v to_o their_o image_n be_v due_a to_o the_o name_n i._n e._n the_o word_n 2._o that_o there_o be_v no_o duty_n lie_v upon_o people_n always_o and_o every_o where_o to_o bow_v at_o the_o hear_n of_o this_o name_n for_o they_o appoint_v it_o only_o to_o be_v do_v in_o the_o time_n of_o worship_n the_o 18_o canon_n prescribe_v it_o only_o in_o time_n of_o divine_a service_n it_o be_v not_o there_o restrict_v to_o the_o lesson_n and_o the_o creed_n as_o the_o dr._n allege_v page_n 362._o in_o the_o injunction_n of_o queen_n elizabeth_n sermon_n be_v also_o take_v in_o &_o a_o general_a clause_n when_o otherwise_o in_o the_o church_n mention_v carry_v it_o to_o all_o act_n of_o worship_n which_o the_o dr._n without_o ground_n will_v limit_v to_o wit_n when_o they_o be_v not_o employ_v in_o any_o other_o act_n of_o devotion_n 3._o they_o make_v it_o no_o natural_a but_o institute_v piece_n of_o worship_n the_o dr._n all_o along_o speak_v of_o it_o only_o as_o lawful_a never_o plead_v for_o the_o necessity_n of_o it_o and_o defend_v it_o only_o so_o far_o as_o it_o be_v require_v by_o the_o church_n it_o be_v true_a some_o of_o they_o plead_v scripture_n for_o it_o to_o wit_n phil._n 2._o 10._o and_o by_o consequence_n must_v make_v it_o a_o duty_n as_o natural_o necessary_a as_o pray_v and_o believe_v but_o i_o do_v not_o find_v that_o the_o learned_a among_o they_o do_v insist_v on_o this_o the_o question_n than_o be_v 1._o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o the_o church_n to_o command_v people_n to_o use_v outward_a sign_n of_o reverence_n by_o bow_v the_o head_n or_o knee_n or_o otherwise_o when_o ever_o they_o hear_v the_o name_n of_o jesus_n mention_v in_o divine_a worship_n when_o yet_o no_o such_o injunction_n be_v give_v in_o reference_n to_o any_o other_o name_n of_o god_n 2._o whether_o it_o be_v lawful_a for_o people_n to_o obey_v such_o command_n to_o both_o our_o brethren_n answer_v affirmative_o and_o we_o answer_v negative_o sect._n 27._o the_o same_o reason_n will_v serve_v for_o both_o part_n of_o our_o opinion_n they_o be_v 1._o this_o bowing_n be_v a_o uncommanded_a piece_n of_o worship_n ergo_fw-la it_o be_v unlawful_a the_o consequence_n depend_v on_o christ_n condemn_v of_o man_n tradition_n in_o his_o worship_n as_o vain_a on_o this_o account_n that_o they_o be_v the_o command_v of_o man_n math._n 15._o 9_o mark_v 7._o 7._o of_o which_o before_o and_o i_o think_v the_o doctor_n will_v not_o deny_v it_o who_o own_v that_o act_n of_o worship_n must_v have_v divine_a warrant_n page_n 348._o the_o antecedent_n have_v two_o part_n to_o wit_n that_o this_o act_n be_v uncommand_v and_o that_o it_o a_o act_n of_o worship_n for_o the_o first_o few_o of_o our_o brethren_n allege_v a_o command_n for_o it_o for_o than_o it_o shall_v not_o be_v indifferent_a as_o they_o make_v it_o and_o they_o that_o plead_v a_o command_n find_v it_o in_o phil._n 2._o 10._o but_o that_o place_n do_v no_o way_n enjoin_v any_o such_o rite_n for_o first_o the_o greek_a text_n be_v plain_a not_o at_o but_o in_o the_o name_n of_o jesus_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d which_o to_o expound_v of_o bow_v at_o the_o hear_n of_o the_o word_n be_v the_o great_a violence_n that_o can_v be_v do_v to_o plain_a word_n for_o the_o plain_a sense_n be_v that_o subjection_n to_o his_o dignity_n and_o power_n shall_v be_v yield_v by_o all_o creature_n 2._o this_o text_n can_v no_o way_n be_v restrict_v to_o the_o reverence_n give_v in_o divine_a service_n but_o must_v either_o prove_v this_o a_o duty_n at_o all_o time_n when_o this_o name_n be_v utter_v or_o it_o prove_v no_o such_o expression_n of_o reverence_n at_o all_o 3._o the_o text_n speak_v only_o of_o kneel_v and_o i_o know_v not_o that_o it_o be_v in_o the_o church_n power_n where_o the_o lord_n command_v kneel_v to_o change_v it_o into_o bow_v of_o the_o head._n 4._o if_o this_o be_v enjoin_v so_o be_v confess_v with_o the_o tongue_n ver_fw-la 11._o what_o power_n have_v the_o church_n to_o pick_v and_o choose_v scripture-commandment_n to_o enjoin_v one_o and_o neglect_v another_o of_o equal_a authority_n but_o why_o do_v i_o stay_v on_o this_o many_o episcopal_a man_n and_o even_o some_o papist_n look_v on_o this_o text_n as_o nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n in_o hand_n for_o the_o second_o part_n of_o the_o antecedent_n that_o this_o bow_v be_v a_o act_n of_o worship_n i_o hope_v that_o will_v not_o be_v deny_v it_o be_v a_o direct_a and_o solemn_a adore_v of_o jesus_n christ_n and_o the_o state_v of_o it_o in_o divine_a service_n and_o appropriate_v it_o to_o that_o do_v constrain_v man_n to_o look_v so_o upon_o it_o sect._n 28._o argument_n 2._o it_o be_v not_o reasonable_a service_n ergo_fw-la it_o be_v not_o acceptable_a service_n the_o consequence_n i_o hope_v will_v not_o be_v deny_v the_o antecedent_n i_o prove_v because_o no_o reason_n can_v be_v give_v for_o bow_v at_o the_o hear_n of_o this_o word_n rather_o than_o at_o the_o mention_n of_o these_o other_o name_n by_o 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be_v to_o be_v allow_v and_o what_o not_o have_v this_o never_o be_v do_v by_o nonconformist_n have_v we_o not_o also_o teach_v that_o the_o church_n ought_v to_o bear_v with_o they_o who_o sober_o dissent_v in_o the_o lesser_a concern_v of_o religion_n and_o not_o impose_v unnecessary_a thing_n on_o people_n conscience_n if_o these_o be_v attend_v to_o a_o stop_n may_v soon_o be_v put_v to_o separation_n but_o if_o man_n will_v scruple_n without_o cause_n on_o the_o one_o hand_n and_o the_o church_n will_v impose_v without_o cause_n on_o the_o other_o there_o be_v no_o put_v a_o stop_n to_o separation_n till_o the_o lord_n cure_v our_o distemper_n rigour_n and_o persecution_n if_o it_o succeed_v to_o root_v out_o the_o dissent_v party_n be_v one_o way_n to_o put_v a_o stop_n to_o separation_n but_o it_o be_v none_o of_o god_n way_n and_o as_o it_o never_o have_v his_o approbation_n so_o it_o seldom_o have_v have_v success_n sect._n 8._o the_o learned_a author_n sect._n 36._o fall_v 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