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A85149 The Scriptures vindication against the Scotish contradictors. By one John Stalham, and as he saith, preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in Scotland. And the other tiled [sic], A serious review of some principles of the Quakers; wherein error is discovered, and truth defended; by P.E. and written with a pen at Edenborough, printed in the year 1655, and a written name, as if it were the printer called Peter English, but no printed name; and thus they shuffle, but laid open to their shame, and truth in this short answer is defended and cleared, and their errour is discovered, and they ensnared. Who both have manifested their contradictions both to the Scriptures, and their own writings, and so have not the people which they call Quakers. / Published by a servant of the Lord Jesus, in Yorkeshire in England, known to the world by the name of Richard Farneworth. R. F. (Richard Farnworth), d. 1666. 1655 (1655) Wing F503; Thomason E854_9; ESTC R202120 34,303 40

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The SCRIPTURES VINDICATION Against the Scotish Contradictors By one JOHN STALHAM and as he saith Preacher of the Gospel at Edenborough in Scotland And the other tiled A serious review of some Principles of the QVAKERS wherein error is discovered and truth defended By P. E. and written with a pen at Edenborough Printed in the year 1655 and a written name as if it were the Printer called Peter English but no Printed name and thus they shuffle but laid open to their shame and truth in this short answer is defended and cleared and their errour is discovered and they ensnared Who both have manifested their Contradictions both to the Scriptures and their own writings and so have not the people which they call Quakers For the wisdome of this World is foolishnesse with God and as it is written the Lord taketh the wise in their own craftinesse And againe the Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise that they are vaine 1 Cor 3.19 20. Published by a servant of the Lord Jesus in Yorkeshire in England known to the world by the name of RICHARD FARNEWORTH LONDON Printed for Giles Calvert at the black spread Eagle at the West end of Pauls 1655. To the honest Godly conscientious READER READER If thou would shew thy diligence so far as to take the paines to enquire and get the Books which John Stalham hath quoted in the margent of his Booke and in reading them and his and also this it will let thee see how he hath wronged them and taken here a word or two and there a word or two and mixed his deceite amongst them but however the books of themselves are clear and clears themselves of his slanders and this for the simple ones sake have I written that they may beware of his deceits and also that they may see and take notice how his imaginations though the spirit of deceit hath darkned his understanding and misinformed his minde and through the working of the spirit of deceit is his heart given over to lye slander and falsly accuse and much stuffe there in his Epistle which is made use of as a slander but it stands off from us and that with the rest of his lyes slanders and false accusations is back upon him returned And where he saith Light without Scripture in his 8 page is no light to them It is but as the rest of his sayings from that deceitful spirit that guides him And if Light without Scripture or letter be no Light to them then he knowes not the Light that was before Scripture or letter was and so is ignorant of Christ the true Light and it is no marvell that he so much opposeth the truth and the work of God that would not have God to be God and Christ to be Christ without the letter of the Scripture and if the Scriptures should be lost he would have no God nor Christ that would have none without them to wit the Scriptures And he saith Christ teacheth them not to receive salvation nor the word of life without the letter of the Scripture and because one said he spoke the word of the Lord to them as he sayes and spoke not Scripture though he spoke not contrary to Scripture as in Edward Burroughs Booke to Underbarrow yet they could not receive it and saith without Scripture the word of the Lord could not be spoken or to that effect here he would limit the spirit of God And if Samuel and the rest of the Prophets might have spoken nothing to the people but what was in Moses writings before them they might not many times have spoken the word of the Lord to the people because they spoke that which Moses had not written and if Christ and the Apostles might have spoken nothing but what they found written in Moses and the Prophets writings they might not have spoken much of what they did speak besides much which is not recorded neither in writing much that they spoke as the Scriptures witnesseth and if John in the Revelation might not have spoken any thing but what was written before he might not have spoken much of what he did but God was not to be limited neither is he now so to be limited as vaine men would have him but he reveals the deep things by his spirit and teaches by his spirit and sends forth his messengers by his spirit and guides by his spirit into all truth such as obey his Light and follow him which light is perfect in its least measure according to the manifestation and manifests the deceits of the heart and is the condemnation of those that hate it and act contrary to it and it the guide out of darknesse into the Light of life to such as follow and obey it and the spirit and power of God is the saints ground of acting now as it was both in the Prophets and Apostles which the Scriptures declares of and the Lord God and his spirit sent them to witnes his truth and not the letter Isaiah said The Lord God and his spirit sent him and that was the ground of his acting Isa 48.16 17. The spirit of Christ which was in the Prophets did teach them and by it were they acted and it did signifie to them and testified in them before hand of the sufferings of Christ and the glory that should follow 1 Pet. 10 11. and Christ gave command to his Disciples before he ascended to wait at Jerusalem till they received power from on high and then should they witnesse him to the ends of the earth and they had the letter before but the spirit was more sure and the perfect rule in the Church Acts 1. John 16 13. Rom. 8.14 And the holy Ghost sent forth workmen so did not the letter Acts 13. And the holy Ghost made ever seers in the Church of Christ so did not the letter though the letter declare of it Acts 20.28 and they that preached the Gospel preached it with the holy Ghost sent down from heaven 1 Pet. 1.14 and Christ Jesus was both the Saints ground of acting and the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles and not the letter as they in Scotland affirme yet the letter declares of it and contradicts their affirmation witnessed in Eph. 2.18 19 20. c. and Christ is the true light and lightneth every one that comes into the world and it not natural as they in Scotland affirme But the spirituall saving light to all that obey him as the Scriptures witnes contrary to their affirmitive witnessed in Joh. 1.9 Joh. 8.12 Heb. 5.8 9. and the Scriptures in the letter onely are not the true ground of the believers faith as they in Scotland affirme but Christ is the true groud of faith as the Scriptures say contrary to their affirmative witnessed in Heb. 12.2 and they have faith in God and are upheld by his power that abide in the true faith and the Spirit is not in the letter nor given by it as the Scots affirme
but cannot with all that thou hast scraped together prove that it is the word which is eternal life and so the word that was in the beginning with God and was God John 1.1 Thou accusest them for saying the saints ground of acting is not the outward Letter but the Spirit which gave forth the letter and saith here they set the word at distance from the spirit and sets figurative glosses upon the Scriptures Here thou art blinded and knows not the Saints ground and art accusing them falsly that witnesse to it and sayes they set the word at distance from the spirit The word and spirit cannot be set at difference nor distance except God could be devided and that cannot be for God is the word John 1.1 and God is that spirit 2 Cor 3.17 Therefore the word and the spirit are inseperable but the Letter is not God nor the letter is not the spirit therefore not that word which liveth and abideth for ever 1 Pet. 1.23 by which word the World was framed Heb. 11.3 and made Heb. 1.2 In which word is the life and the Light of men which the Letter doth declare of but is not the life and Light of men neither were all things made by the letter that were made but by the word they were John 1.1 2 3 c. This is plain Scripture without figurative glosse the glosses are thy own that with thy logick and magick art would make the Scriptures God and Christ but cannot and would make them the ground of the Saints actings when they are not but the Lord God and his spirit is for the Lord God and his spirit sent me saith the servant of the Lord Isa 48. and the Lord teacheth his that he so sends to profit v. 16 17. and the manifestation of the spirit is given to profit withall 1 Cor. 12.7 and saith God I will poure out of my spirit and your sons and daughters shall prophesie and such may speak of the things of God Thy meanings I deny and the fancy is thy own and the sure word of Prophesie we witnesse to and do not to it say no therefore in that thou hast further uttered thy lyes and manifested thy deceitfull spirit as in page 7. Thou sayes they say there is no Scripture for the Trinity contrary to John 5.7 which expresly saith There are three that beare witnesse in Heaven the Father the Word and the Spirit and these three are all one here is Trinity thou sayes here thou hast perverted the Scripture saying here is Trinity when it expresseth no such word in that nor any other Scripture as Trinity but the Father Son and Spirit which are one that we witnesse and as Christ hath said At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father and you in me and I in you Joh. 14.20 The Father Son and holy Ghost are one but it doth not speak of distinct persons three therefore thou art yet to prove a Trinity The Holy Ghost is no person but dwelleth in persons or bodies of Saints and he that abideth in the doctrine of Christ hath both the Father and the Son as saith the Scripture in the 2 Epistle of John 9 Concerning the Light and Christ the way to the Father That Christ is the way to the Father is set down in Edward Burroughs Book to Vnderbarrow p. 4. and that the Scriptures witness and do not contradict John 14.6 but thou hast wrested Edward Burroughs words and therefore thou art a lier there is not such a word as purchased in that page and there lyeth the weight of thy matter but that Christ is the true Light that enlightneth every man that cometh into the World the Scriptures witnesse John 1.9 Therefore if thou say the contray the Scriptures thou therein contradicttest and not he take notice of that and withall that Christ is the Light of the World and a saving Light to all that obey him as saith the Scriptures and such as follow him the true Light are by him led out of darknesse into the light of life as he hath said John 8.12 Heb 5.8 9 and that word magnifie the Light thou puts in but if we do and as Mary did we magnifie the Lord 1 John 1.5 and art thou offended at that therein thou contradicts the Scripture where it saith My soule doth magnifie the Lord Luke 1.26 Luke 2.29 30 31 32. and thou also contradicts thy selfe and lyes against Christ the true Light calling him naturall and common and lyes of such as witnesse Christ and the Light of his spirit and according to the declaration of the Scriptures And where thou art offended at George Fox for saying the light of Christ is life it is but to manifest thy envy against the truth and thy contradictions to the Scriptures for the Scripture saith Christ is the Light John 1.9 and he is life even the way the truth and the life John 14. and such as follow him the true Light are led out of darknesse errour and deceit into the Light of Life John 8.12 And againe thou accusest George Fox for saying the light is the word but it is but to manifest thy further contradictions to the Scriptures for the Scripture sayes God is the Light John 1.5 and God is the Word John 1.1 c. Therefore in that thou hast manifested thy ignorance of the Scriptures and knows not the Light and the word for as God is the Light and the Word so also is Christ John 8.12 Rev. 19.13 and the Father and Son are one and such as abide in the doctrine of Christ have the Light and the Word of God abiding in them 1 John 2.12 13 14. and they may speak from it that have fellowship with it And thou sayes they would send you to read the Scriptures in the creatures quoting the Book of parables That Book shal witnesse for the truth against thee and thy generation and also let the wise hearted take notice that he that is in Christ is a new creature 2 Cor. 5.16 17. and that they are Epistles written in one anothers hearts seen and read in one another that are such creatures 2 Cor. 3. And there again thou hast shewed thy ignorance of those Epistles and lyed of the truth with thy deceitfull spirit by twisting and winding about but thou may well lye of us that lyes of the Apostle Paul and wrests not our words onely but his also for where thou speaks his words where he sayes It pleased God by the foolishnesse of Preaching and as thou sayes a Text a Doctrine a Reason an Use out of the Word to save them that beleive when there is not any such words of his there as Text Doctrine Reason Use to save them that beleive and here thou hast lyed of him and thou wouldst make the Letter a Saviour for thou calls that the Word and so thou wouldst have a salvation without Christ except thou make the letter of the Scripture Christ and there againe
busie thy minde to run over the same things to shew forth thy folly and all that knows God they know that there is no other way nor Light to come to the Father by and to salvation but by Jesus Christ and if thou canst produce another way besides him and another Light pretended by thee to lead to salvation le ts know thy shallownes in it who hath set thy self to invent and follows inventions and conceits of thy braine but I see by thy Eight that thou as well as John Stalham would have a Letter Light a Letter word and so a Letter Saviour and calls Christ reason as he calls him naturall and common but for all the Scriptures you have ranked together not one of them saith that Christ the true Light is a naturall and common Light as John Stalham sayes who gives the Letter the preheminence and not Christ and so contradicts the Scriptures But thou hast manifested thy Rantisme and both of you you are found to be enemies to the Spirit and lyars of the Scriptures also And after thou hast winded about to cover thy selfe in the latter end of thy eight thou hast left thy selfe bare when all the Scriptures thou hast gathered together and thy reason will not nor cannot prove the Scriptures to be eternall life then not that word which endureth for ever nor the word by which the worlds were made nor the Spirit power of life nor Christ Jesus upon which the Prophets and Apostles were builded but thou sayes sayes falsly that the Scriptures which thou calls the Word is called the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles setting downe Eph 2.20 Now that very Scripture witnesseth against thee confutes thee for it calls Christ the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles and the chiefe corner stone in whom all the building fitly framed groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord not in the Letter but in the Lord in whom they was builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit and not through the Letter but through the Spirit Eph 2.20 21 22. And say they through him through Christ not the Scripture but through Christ They both had an accesse not by the Letter as thou affirmes but by the Spirit Eph 2 18. How hast thou uttered thy folly and lyed of the Spirit that called Christ the foundation of the Prophets and Apostle and thou says the Scriptures are and in that thou hast lyed of the Scriptures also for the words that are left upon record witnesses against thee and both thou and John Stalham have shewed your ignorance of Christ the foundation of the Prophets and Apostles your foundation is the words which witnesse against you and all lyars thou hast manifested the same that the Letter is your ground for thou saith it is the ground of your faith P 12. and so your faith is not upon Christ which is the Saints ground for they witnesse Jesus Christ to be the Author and finisher of their faith Heb 12.2 But the Scripture is your ground of faith thou says and so no Scripture no faith no faith no salvation and let all the wise in heart see if thou would not here have a letter Saviour but it is good that fooles utter their folly that others may learne to be wise And where thou art offended at thou and thee words of truth and the Scripture Language there thou crosseth the Scripture contradicts them for thou canst not shew one plain scripture in all the Bible that says you to one single person all thy twisting in the 9th is but to plead for deceit and 〈…〉 and Civill honour wee are not to learne that of one that is out of the counsell of Christ as thou art and knowes not the eternall Word which thou and John Stalham have shewed your selves Ignorant of and to be without the Spirit of Christ to guide you and such are not his And as for things that stands in the Counsell of Christ and agrees with his Word wee are subject unto and owne true and just Government and the authority But your lyes flattery and deceit and scraped up stuffe wee doe deny and against you and your deceitfull Spirits dee wee declare and testifie And as for that Booke which is without a printed Name that hath P E at it this shall be as a witnesse against it with the following words also as a conclusion against your delusion There is a Paper from the same spirit of errour and deceit comed out of Scotland without a name the Author being either convicted in his Conscience that hee hath belyed the Truth or els some shame to owne that for truth which hee hath published or some such like thing but though his name be hid his heart is uncovered to the single eyed and if Peter English be his name his spirit is weighed and tryed with the light that manifests his subtilty flattery deceit secret ennity and serpentine pollicy and hee and thou John Stalham are both in one mystery of Iniquity and because hee hath in effect or substance the same things scraped up that thou hast This which I have written shall be as a witnesse against you both and the Light in your Consciences as the booke of Concience is opened will remember you in the bed of torment and be a swift witnesse against you and be your Condemenation that hare it and set your selves to worke wickednesse and that Light which convinceth you of the evill of your wayes will let you see your selves as Conscience booke is opened to be the vilest and of the same spirit of wickednesse though under a refined subtilty that the vilest of men are and that Light which yon now hate and scorne will remember you of what against it and the Lord you have acted and done and the thoughts and intents of your hearts will be seene and discovered by it and you and all that hate it will by Christ the Light of the World be judged and rewarded according to the deeds done in your bodyes and in the day of the Lords fierce wrath you will know the Judge of hearts and that you cannot hide your selves from him all your covers will be too narrow in the day of wrath when you are cast into a bed of Torment remembered you will be now you are warned though with deceit your hearts will be filled and with subtilty against the Truth you be armed It is hard for you to kicke against p ickes But for the simple ones sake have I written this that they may be aware of your subtilty least they be deceived by you and partake of the plagues with you Written by a servant of the Lord knowne to the World by the name of Richard Farneworth From Balbie in Yorkeshire the 22th of the 4th Month. 55. 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