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c._n 24._o romana_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la quae_fw-la materomnium_fw-la ecclesiarum_fw-la est_fw-la se_fw-la non_fw-la tam_fw-la matrem_fw-la exhibet_fw-la alijs_fw-la quam_fw-la novercam_fw-la sedentin_n eâ_fw-la scribas_fw-la &_o phâ—risae_n ponentes_fw-la onâ—â—a_fw-la importabiliâ—_n in_o humeris_fw-la hominum_fw-la quae_fw-la digito_fw-la non_fw-la coâ—â—ngunt_fw-la and_o too_o great_a a_o imposture_n to_o be_v approve_v in_o they_o for_o i_o be_o sure_a no_o modest_a man_n will_v dream_v that_o the_o church_n of_o christ_n can_v be_v so_o forsake_v by_o christ_n that_o it_o be_v not_o worthy_a to_o be_v govern_v but_o by_o reprobate_n as_o aliace_n testify_v of_o the_o roman_a church_n reproboâ—_n church_n card_n de_fw-fr aliaco_fw-it lib._n the_o reform_v eccl._n cap._n the_o reform_v religionum_fw-la in_o proverbium_fw-la abierit_fw-la ad_fw-la hunc_fw-la statum_fw-la venisse_fw-la romanâ—â—_n ecclesium_fw-la ut_fw-la non_fw-la fit_a digna_fw-la regi_fw-la nisi_fw-la per_fw-la 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have_v be_v late_o lay_v open_a by_o the_o reverend_a and_o learned_a the_o lord_n bishop_n of_o leichfield_n and_o therefore_o i_o may_v here_o forbear_v it_o for_o the_o second_o i_o will_v brief_o declare_v the_o jesuite_n vanity_n herein_o and_o first_o to_o take_v away_o all_o ambiguity_n s._n augustine_n that_o use_v this_o term_n of_o unspotted_a not_o of_o the_o primitive_a roman_a but_o of_o the_o ancient_a catholic_a church_n expound_v what_o he_o mean_v by_o the_o same_o wheresoever_o in_o these_o book_n i_o have_v make_v mention_n of_o the_o church_n not_o have_v spot_n or_o wrinkle_n it_o be_v not_o so_o to_o be_v take_v as_o if_o she_o be_v so_o now_o but_o that_o she_o be_v prepare_v to_o be_v so_o when_o she_o shall_v appear_v to_o be_v glorious_a for_o now_o by_o reason_n of_o certain_a ignorances_n and_n infirmity_n of_o her_o member_n the_o whole_a church_n have_v cause_n to_o say_v every_o day_n forgive_v we_o our_o trespass_n nostra_fw-la trespass_n august_n retract_v l._n 2._o c._n â—8_o vbi_fw-la cunque_fw-la iâ—_n his_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d memorari_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la
non_fw-la habentem_fw-la maculam_fw-la aut_fw-la rugam_fw-la non_fw-la sie_n accipiendum_fw-la est_fw-la quasi_fw-la jam_fw-la sit_fw-la sed_fw-la quae_fw-la prâ—paratur_fw-la ut_fw-la sit_fw-la quando_fw-la apparebit_fw-la etiam_fw-la gloriosa_fw-la nunc_fw-la enim_fw-la propter_fw-la quasdam_fw-la ignoranties_n &_o in_o firmitate_v membrorum_fw-la fuorum_fw-la habet_fw-la unde_fw-la quotidie_fw-la tota_fw-la dicat_fw-la dimitte_v nobis_fw-la debita_fw-la nostra_fw-la neither_o be_v it_o the_o question_n in_o those_o time_n whether_o the_o catholic_a church_n can_v be_v spot_v with_o heresy_n but_o with_o sin_n which_o be_v affirm_v by_o the_o catholic_a church_n against_o the_o pelagian_n and_o this_o the_o jesuite_n seem_v now_o to_o conceive_v and_o therefore_o tell_v we_o that_o by_o reason_n of_o ignorant_a and_o infirmity_n of_o her_o member_n in_o other_o matter_n the_o church_n have_v daily_a occasion_n to_o pray_v for_o the_o forgiveness_n of_o sin_n 43._o sin_n reply_v pag._n 43._o now_o the_o jesuite_n give_v the_o title_n â—â—spotted_a unto_o the_o primitive_a church_n of_o rome_n which_o he_o account_v the_o catholic_a how_o can_v the_o most_o learned_a answerer_n understand_v the_o jesuite_n term_n but_o according_a to_o the_o sense_n of_o the_o word_n as_o it_o be_v vulgar_o take_v in_o the_o primitive_a time_n second_o it_o be_v not_o amiss_o to_o conceive_v that_o the_o jesuite_n in_o his_o challenge_n call_v the_o primitive_a church_n of_o rome_n 〈◊〉_d challenge_n 〈◊〉_d in_o his_o challenge_n in_o his_o enquiry_n in_o this_o section_n he_o lay_v down_o the_o roman_a church_n without_o reâ—â—raynt_n of_o primitive_a and_o last_o in_o his_o proof_n he_o think_v he_o have_v get_v the_o day_n if_o from_o antiquity_n he_o can_v prove_v that_o the_o catholic_a church_n can_v fail_v so_o that_o you_o may_v easy_o â—spy_v who_o be_v guilty_a of_o mingle_v one_o question_n with_o another_o but_o let_v we_o examine_v this_o new_a question_n as_o the_o jesuite_n have_v propose_v it_o whether_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n may_v right_o be_v term_v unspotted_a or_o no_o â—â—_o no_o reply_v pag_n â—â—_o that_o the_o ancient_a roman_a church_n be_v invincible_a never_o fundamental_o err_v in_o the_o foundation_n of_o faith_n in_o all_o her_o member_n for_o the_o first_o 400._o or_o 500_o year_n after_o christ_n the_o jesuite_n tell_v we_o our_o doctor_n and_o master_n grannt_v challenge_n grannt_v in_o his_o challenge_n so_o that_o the_o controversy_n be_v not_o what_o the_o primitive_a church_n of_o rome_n be_v in_o regard_n of_o heresy_n but_o what_o the_o roman_a church_n be_v liable_a unto_o in_o her_o succession_n which_o the_o jesuite_n resolve_v and_o as_o he_o will_v make_v we_o believe_v from_o augustine_n and_o other_o anncient_a father_n say_v that_o in_o the_o truth_n and_o soundness_n of_o her_o faith_n and_o doctrine_n she_o be_v evermore_o invincible_a and_o not_o liable_a to_o any_o spot_n or_o stain_v 43_o stain_v reply_v pag._n 43_o but_o neither_o do_v augustine_n origen_n eusebius_n alexander_n b._n of_o alexandria_n athanasius_n cyrill_n b._n of_o jerusalem_n or_o philo_n carpathius_n etc._n etc._n who_o he_o urge_v 650_o urge_v reply_v pag_n 64_o &_o pag_n 650_o say_v any_o thing_n for_o the_o roman_a but_o for_o the_o catholic_a church_n to_o which_o they_o bear_v testimony_n that_o it_o can_v fail_v so_o that_o our_o jesuite_n fall_v under_o bellarmine_n censure_n who_o affirm_v that_o they_o do_v but_o trifle_v away_o the_o time_n who_o contend_v to_o prove_v that_o the_o church_n can_v absolute_o fail_v because_o it_o be_v grant_v by_o the_o protestant_n themselves_o concedunt_fw-la themselves_o bellarm._n de_fw-fr ecclesia_fw-la mil_fw-mi l._n 3._o c._n 13._o notandum_fw-la autem_fw-la est_fw-la muluâ—_n ex_fw-la nostris_fw-la tempus_fw-la 〈◊〉_d dum_fw-la probant_fw-la absolute_a ecclesiam_fw-la non_fw-la posse_fw-la dâ—ficere_fw-la 〈◊〉_d calâ—â—â—â—_n &_o eâ—teri_fw-la 〈◊〉_d â—i_fw-la id_fw-la concedunt_fw-la which_o the_o jesuite_n know_v though_o dissemble_v after_o he_o have_v produce_v s._n chrysostome_n for_o the_o perpetuity_n of_o the_o catholic_a church_n argue_v fâ—r_v she_o but_o what_o church_n do_v this_o holy_a father_n mean_v think_v you_o surely_n none_o other_o than_o peter_n church_n â—â—_o church_n reply_v pag._n â—â—_o etc._n etc._n peter_n churchy_n proâ—_n nefâ—â—_n be_v the_o church_n espouse_v to_o peter_n purchase_v by_o peter_n redeem_v by_o peter_n at_o antioth_n the_o church_n be_v first_o call_v christian_n 26._o christian_n act_n 1._o v._o 26._o which_o name_n it_o have_v retain_v and_o shall_v it_o loose_v its_o title_n and_o 〈◊〉_d now_o and_o be_v denominate_v from_o peter_n the_o spouse_n of_o christ_n the_o mystical_a body_n of_o christ_n the_o house_n of_o god_n the_o lord_n granary_n and_o 〈◊〉_d etc._n stapleâ—_n relect_v count_v 1._o q._n â—_o be_v 1._o not_o 5_o ut_fw-la est_fw-la corpus_fw-la christi_fw-la in_o uno_fw-la sensu_fw-la propter_fw-la internam_fw-la gratiam_fw-la ita_fw-la est_fw-la domus_fw-la magna_fw-la cheisti_fw-la â—st_a area_n &_o agre_z dominicus_fw-la in_o alio_fw-la sensu_fw-la propter_fw-la externam_fw-la collectionem_fw-la etc._n etc._n but_o peter_n church_n be_v somewhat_o harsh_a chrysostome_n near_o give_v the_o church_n no_o such_o title_n only_o their_o poor_a forge_a cyrill_n have_v ecclesia_fw-la apostolica_fw-la petri_n a_o evidence_n answerable_a to_o the_o cause_n yet_o not_o convince_a for_o the_o same_o title_n may_v be_v give_v to_o the_o church_n of_o antioch_n but_o can_v the_o word_n of_o chrysostome_n stretch_v to_o the_o roman_a church_n â—et_z the_o jesuite_n show_v it_o if_o he_o be_v able_a that_o church_n whereof_o chrysostome_n speak_v be_v the_o church_n of_o christ_n not_o of_o peter_n that_o church_n whereof_o he_o be_v a_o pastor_n constituit_fw-la pastor_n chrys_n in_o mat_n homâ—â—â—_n ecclesiae_fw-la futurae_fw-la pastorem_fw-la constituit_fw-la not_o a_o monarch_n the_o rock_n upon_o which_o it_o be_v build_v be_v not_o peter_n but_o christ_n believe_v &_o confess_v by_o peter_n confessionem_fw-la ibid._n et_fw-la super_fw-la hanc_fw-la petram_fw-la aedificabo_fw-la ecclesiam_fw-la meam_fw-la id_fw-la est_fw-la fidem_fw-la atque_fw-la confessionem_fw-la peter_n have_v no_o gift_n give_v he_o to_o preserve_v this_o church_n from_o amid_o â—â—erce_a assault_n and_o rage_a flood_n in_o this_o father_n opinion_n though_o the_o jesuite_n will_v persuade_v it_o but_o peter_n be_v confirm_v in_o his_o faith_n confess_v by_o this_o promise_n make_v that_o the_o gate_n of_o hell_n shall_v not_o prevail_v against_o the_o churchy_n neither_o have_v peter_n power_n give_v he_o to_o make_v the_o church_n invincible_a but_o to_o declare_v it_o monstravit_fw-la ibid_fw-la petrus_n ecclesiam_fw-la per_fw-la universum_fw-la orbem_fw-la amplificatam_fw-la 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d validiâ—â—â—â—_n monstravit_fw-la and_o as_o the_o father_n ground_n this_o privilege_n of_o the_o unspotted_a crucifix_n â—_o non_fw-fr enim_fw-la turbari_fw-la te_fw-la con_fw-mi venâ—â—_n cùm_fw-la audicris_fw-la quia_fw-la tratar_n &_o crucifix_n integrity_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n upon_o the_o promise_n of_o christ_n to_o peter_n matt_n 16._o so_o also_o they_o oftentimes_o deduce_v the_o same_o from_o the_o virtue_n of_o that_o prayer_n which_o christ_n make_v to_o his_o father_n for_o peter_n faith_n that_o it_o shall_v never_o fail_v luc_n 22._o wherein_o doubtless_o he_o be_v hear_v for_o his_o reverence_n heb._n 5._o 7._o â—â—_o reply_v pag._n â—â—_o there_o be_v no_o ground_n why_o the_o roman_a shall_v enjoy_v this_o privilege_n either_o from_o christ_n promise_n or_o his_o prayer_n &_o as_o the_o jesuite_n have_v fail_v in_o deduce_v any_o thing_n from_o the_o former_a so_o do_v he_o show_v his_o ability_n in_o this_o latter_a at_o his_o first_o entrance_n for_o first_o he_o bring_v in_o forge_a epistle_n under_o the_o name_n of_o lucius_n â—_o lucius_n bellarm._n l._n 2_o de_fw-fr rom._n pont._n c._n â—_o dare_v not_o affirm_v this_o epistle_n to_o be_v undoubted_a &_o it_o be_v dare_v gallo_n &_o volusâ—_n ano_fw-la cosâ—_n when_o as_o they_o be_v not_o consul_n at_o that_o time_n as_o appear_v by_o baron_n annal._n to_o â—_o a_o â—_o and_o felix_n 273._o felix_n the_o epistle_n be_v date_v claudio_n &_o paterno_n coss_n when_o as_o there_o be_v none_o such_o in_o his_o time_n baron_fw-fr ad_fw-la aâ—_n 273._o good_a bishop_n who_o will_v have_v 〈◊〉_d the_o pride_n that_o they_o be_v urge_v here_o to_o 〈…〉_o the_o rest_n he_o cite_v 〈◊〉_d good_a bishop_n we_o will_v not_o deny_v yet_o his_o goodness_n do_v not_o declare_v itself_o at_o all_o time_n when_o he_o speak_v of_o s._n peter_n or_o the_o roman_a church_n but_o his_o infirmity_n for_o as_o the_o bishop_n of_o rome_n both_o before_o and_o after_o he_o desire_v more_o than_o be_v fit_a so_o it_o will_v be_v no_o difficulty_n to_o show_v that_o they_o contend_v 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he_o 〈◊〉_d of_o the_o most_o leaâ—â—ed_a 〈◊〉_d câ—â—â—itie_n to_o himself_o or_o 〈◊〉_d towards_o the_o fatheâ—â—_n as_o â—â—_o please_v i_o be_o 〈◊〉_d â—e_n have_v say_v nothing_o here_o that_o may_v persuade_v we_o that_o he_o have_v swallow_v down_o all_o antiquity_n or_o that_o his_o knowledge_n be_v so_o great_a that_o from_o the_o answer_v learned_a 〈◊〉_d he_o may_v not_o receive_v instruction_n but_o the_o jesuite_n 〈◊〉_d know_v that_o these_o be_v not_o the_o reason_n that_o move_v he_o to_o persuade_v the_o obsâ—â—â—ation_n of_o these_o rule_n but_o their_o desperate_a impudeâ—ciâ—s_n for_o who_o know_v not_o that_o they_o can_v pretend_v father_n for_o their_o cause_n that_o hold_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o by_o devise_v a_o 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d make_v they_o their_o friend_n when_o they_o be_v urge_v against_o they_o and_o also_o make_v that_o faith_n which_o be_v not_o in_o the_o father_n creed_n neither_o find_v in_o any_o of_o their_o exposition_n 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in_o resist_v you_o make_v those_o article_n of_o faith_n which_o be_v never_o of_o universal_a belief_n in_o the_o christian_a world_n but_o to_o who_o do_v he_o tell_v these_o tale_n if_o to_o those_o of_o his_o own_o profession_n it_o be_v idle_a and_o needless_a if_o to_o we_o it_o be_v most_o â—â—â—rue_a for_o say_v he_o it_o be_v well_o know_v that_o with_o we_o they_o be_v certain_o account_v chief_a article_n of_o faith_n be_v all_o of_o they_o declare_v for_o such_o by_o the_o sacred_a and_o infallible_a â—â—thâ—â—itie_n of_o the_o church_n ibid._n church_n reply_v ibid._n it_o be_v neither_o â—eedelesse_a for_o his_o own_o nor_o untrue_a be_v deliver_v to_o your_o self_n for_o the_o most_o reverend_a father_n know_v it_o be_v his_o duty_n daily_o to_o persuade_v against_o faith-intrusion_n for_o the_o preservation_n of_o his_o own_o neither_o can_v your_o argument_n make_v it_o untrue_a for_o be_v all_o thing_n you_o account_n or_o the_o trent_n câ—â—ncell_n have_v 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