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A70229 The Quakers appeal answer'd, or, A full relation of the occasion, progress, and issue of a meeting held in Barbican the 28th of August last past wherein the allegations of William Pen in two books lately published by him against Thomas Hicks, were answered and disproved, and Tho. Hicks, his quotations out of the Quakers own books attested by several as being appeal'd unto. Hicks, Thomas, 17th cent.; Kiffin, William, 1616-1701. 1674 (1674) Wing H1924; ESTC R2772 24,153 49

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Jerusalem a type a figure a shadow that is past away What have you to do with Christ at Jerusalem Have done with him Both these Instances are attested by Mr. Nath. Robinson Minister at Southampton The next particular Opinion which I charge the Quakers with is this 4. That Christ redeems himself This I draw as a necessary consequence from their words see Dial. 1st p. 47. William Pen. This is a stumble and a gross perversion of our words Reas against Rayl p. 62. Tho. Hicks Whether this be a perversion or not I shall refer you to their own words Few are come to know what it is that wants Redemption and that the promise is to For there is a seed to which the Promise of Redemption is Ja. Naylor love to the lost p. 47. Christ is the Election and the Elect seed Ibid. pag. 32. The Promise of God is to the seed that hath been laden as a cart with sheaves by the sinner which seed is the hope Christ G. Fox Gr. myst p. 324. We doe assert the Redemption of the seed Will. Pen. Reas against Rayl p. 62. T is no wayes absurd that we affirm That the end of Gods manifesting himself in the flesh was for the Redemption and deliverance of His Holy life that was in a man as a small seed even the smallest of seeds that had been long vex'd grieved and press'd down by sin and iniquity Will. Pen Ib. p. 63. This seed was and is pure for ever Ib. p. 64. That which was lost is still in mans heart and there it must be sought for it remains still in the house that is mans heart this is the thing to be sought This Christ came to seek and to save And all his ministers preach'd people to this the lost in man a lost God a lost Christ * G. Keith In a meeting with me a few weeks since told me That he added these words viz. That they might find a lost God a lost Christ whom they had lost I then answered t is true those words were added yet were they no otherwise serviceable to him than as a blind to deceive his unwary reader For First By lost in his whole discourse in that book cited is intended of God and Christ which he there calls The principle Kingdom or Appearance of Christ by his light in mans heart And as Jesus Christ came to seek and save the lost so all his ministers preach'd people to this The lost in them Secondly The sence I put upon the word lost is no other Than what William Pen allows lost saith he As taken by Tho. Hicks is meant of mans lost condition And as there used by G. Keith is understood of God and Christ whom man had lost Rea. against Rayl pag. 61. Thirdly I further said that the sence in which I represented him was according to the opinions of others of his friends This was the sum and substance of their Doctrine G. Keith Immed Revel p. 75 76. When God created man He put his Image Christ the express image of himself in man He breathed into him the breath of life He lived in God And Christ the light of men was his life lived in him then the Lamb was not slain Christ the Lamb the life of man But when man sinned so the Lamb came to be slain in him from the foundation of the world That Holy meek harmless nature The Lambs nature was slain in him Now the bowels of the Fathers love stir'd in compassion to the work of his own hands that of the pure creation in man which though shut up in death yet it remain'd and perish'd not as to its being It did not become a nothing but remain'd a being And this is the lost which God sent his son into the world to seek and to save not to seek and save the old Adam that birth of the Serpents begetting but to destroy it for it is not capable of Gods salvation But that which Christ came to save is that of God which proceeded from him The seed of God in man * Judge Reader whether I have wronged G. Keith or not The seed of Abraham whereof Abrahams old decayed body as good as dead and Sarahs barren womb was a type G. Keith Immed Revel p. 44. 45 46. of this seed he elsewhere speaks thus what the seed and birth of God in us Iudgeth or discerneth or doth is ever infallible the eye of the seed alwayes seeth infallibly This Book Intituled Immediat Revelation G. Keith affirmed to me in the hearing of many credible witnesses that it was written by the immediate Inspiration of the Spirit of God Its ear alwayes heareth infallibly its hand alwayes acteth infallibly Ibid p. 23. This seed and birth of God in man is that which Geo. Keith saith Christ came to seek and save These instances considered I shall leave it with you to Judge whether my consequence was not proper from their words my next charge is this 5. That the Quakers do deny the Scriptures to be the Rule of Faith and Practice unto Christians Proof We deny the Scriptures to be the Rule of Faith and Practice In honour to that Divine Light that was the Authour of them c. Will. Pen. Reas against Rayl pag. 48. There is nothing in the Scripture that is a duty upon me or which I am obliged to obey because there Recorded Whatsosoever is a Command to me I must not receive from any man or thing without me nay not the Scripture it self Yea it is the greatest Error in the world that ever was Invented and the ground of all Error to affirm that the Scripture ought to be a Rule to Christians Ben. Furly a noted Quaker in a Letter See Dial 1. pag. 79. He that perswades people to let the Scriptures be the Rule of Faith and Practice would keep People in Darkness For whosoever walks by the Rule without them and teach men so to do would make void the Covenant of Life and Peace Edw. Burrows works pag. 62. G. VVhitehead accounts it Idolatry to call the Bible a Means of our knowing God Dip. Pl. pag. 13. To such as say the Scriptures are the Rule G. Whitehead writes thus Poor men you have shewn your selves sufficiently herein And what an Empty Implicite Faith you are in and how void both of the Knowledge of God Christ and Salvation you are And how yet in your sins having denied Christ and his Light within to be your Rule and Way and Foundation as he is to his Followers And so you are walking by your Fancies and Imaginations who set the Scriptures in the place of Christ as your only absolute Rule and ground of your Faith and Knowledge Christ ascended pag. 11. Charge 6. 6. That the speaking of the Spirit in any is of greater Authority than the Scriptures See Dial. 1. pag. 28. Proved This Question was put to a Quaker as G. VVhithead confesseth Do you esteem of your speakings to be of as