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needs_o have_v it_o to_o bind_v all_o christian_a kingdom_n or_o else_o that_o it_o have_v force_v only_o to_o bind_v in_o the_o pope_n dominion_n wherein_o he_o have_v the_o place_n both_o of_o a_o spiritual_a pastor_n and_o also_o of_o a_o temporal_a prince_n 32_o and_o whereas_o widdrington_n give_v a_o instance_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 8._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 153._o num_fw-la 8._o without_o any_o quotation_n of_o law_n or_o author_n that_o bishop_n and_o abbot_n be_v not_o include_v in_o penal_a law_n except_o they_o be_v mention_v it_o be_v true_a in_o bishop_n in_o the_o case_n only_o of_o suspension_n or_o interdict_v from_o the_o which_o they_o be_v by_o a_o express_a canon_n exempt_v except_o they_o be_v name_v as_o it_o appear_v in_o the_o decretal_n lib._n suspensionis_fw-la tit._n 11._o cap._n 4._o §._o quia_fw-la periculosum_fw-la glossa_fw-la ibidem_fw-la in_o verbum_fw-la suspensionis_fw-la 5._o de_fw-la sententia_fw-la excommunicationis_fw-la where_o also_o the_o 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probability_n in_o this_o point_n then_o in_o the_o former_a 33_o but_o first_o i_o never_o say_v as_o mr._n fitzherbert_n to_o make_v some_o colour_n of_o a_o probable_a answer_n false_o lay_v to_o my_o charge_n that_o bishop_n or_o abbot_n be_v not_o include_v in_o penal_a law_n except_o they_o be_v mention_v for_o i_o make_v no_o doubt_n but_o that_o they_o be_v include_v in_o penal_a law_n under_o such_o general_a word_n which_o denote_v no_o particular_a dignity_n order_n degree_n or_o function_n of_o christian_a man_n and_o that_o therefore_o they_o be_v include_v in_o the_o canon_n si_fw-mi quis_fw-la suadente_fw-la diabolo_fw-it and_o in_o the_o canon_n omnis_fw-la utriusque_fw-la sexus_fw-la but_o that_o which_o i_o say_v be_v that_o in_o penal_a law_n and_o odious_a matter_n bishop_n be_v not_o include_v in_o the_o general_a name_n of_o priest_n nor_o abbot_n in_o the_o general_a name_n of_o monk_n and_o for_o the_o proof_n thereof_o i_o bring_v neither_o canon_n nor_o 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consequence_n do_v only_o exclude_v from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n and_o from_o that_o which_o by_o a_o necessary_a consequence_n do_v follow_v the_o exclude_v from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n and_o consequent_o it_o do_v not_o ex_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n deprive_v one_o of_o any_o civil_a dominion_n or_o jurisdiction_n for_o the_o exclude_v from_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n or_o which_o be_v all_o one_o from_o communicate_v in_o ecclesiastical_a spiritual_a or_o sacred_a thing_n do_v only_o make_v he_o to_o be_v as_o a_o heathen_a or_o a_o publican_n according_a to_o that_o say_n of_o our_o saviour_n 18._o saviour_n matth._n 18._o but_o if_o he_o shall_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n let_v he_o be_v to_o thou_o as_o the_o heathen_a or_o the_o publican_n but_o although_o heathen_n and_o publican_n can_v participate_v with_o the_o faithful_a in_o ecclesiastical_a sacred_a or_o spiritual_a affair_n yet_o they_o be_v not_o therefore_o exclude_v from_o any_o 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se_fw-la do_v not_o deprive_v a_o man_n of_o the_o dominion_n of_o temper_n all_o good_n of_o kingdom_n and_o signory_n and_o teach_v also_o that_o the_o nature_n and_o definition_n of_o excommunication_n be_v to_o separate_v one_o from_o the_o ecclesiastical_a communion_n of_o the_o faithful_a must_v consequent_o according_a to_o his_o own_o principle_n hold_v and_o teach_v that_o excommunication_n do_v not_o per_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n deprive_v one_o of_o any_o civil_a communion_n administration_n or_o jurisdiction_n but_o only_o of_o ecclesiastical_a conversation_n which_o be_v direct_o opposite_a to_o civil_a neither_o can_v there_o be_v allege_v any_o sufficient_a reason_n why_o the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n precise_o and_o per_fw-la se_fw-it shall_v deprive_v of_o civil_a jurisdiction_n or_o administration_n and_o not_o of_o temporal_a dominion_n 134_o but_o suarez_n say_v this_o doctor_n do_v in_o the_o very_a place_n cite_v by_o widdrington_n 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