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A33929	A compendious discourse about some of the greatest matters of Christian faith propounded and explained between a minister and an enquiring Christian ... : and also may serve for an answer to two books, one called The practical discourse of the sovereignty of God, the other called The death of death, by the death of Christ, written by J.O. : whereunto is annexed a very brief appendix / written by T. Collier.	Collier, Thomas, fl. 1691.	1682 (1682)	Wing C5274; ESTC R20632	146,911	256

of our Nature thereby whatever it be without act or consent to sin shall bring under the guilt and punishment of the second Death the contrary being unscriptural and irrational to be imagined CHAP. VII Of the Apostasie spoken of in Scripture Christ I Desire to enquire into the Apostasie spoken of in Scripture what you understand it is and wherein it does consist Min. That there is an Apostasie from the Faith prophetically foretold in Scripture I think is that which few do doubt or question but what it is and wherein it does consist I fear but few do rightly enquire into but all are willing to excuse themselves and put it upon others as Adam upon the Woman and the Woman upon the Serpent so it is put all upon the Pope and upon the Devil far enough from our selves neither Papist nor Protestant will have any share therein but put it upon each other thou art the Man and not I. Christ The case being so on what particular Sort or Sect of People by Name may it be fixed Min. I shall not fix it only on any particular Sort or Sect of People by name but give some account what it is and wherein it consists and where the Marks thereof are found there it 's likely to be tho I cannot leave out the Turkish Alkoran and Mahometan Religion nor the Papal profession as chief and head in this Apostasie the one professing to own Christ but only as a great Prophet but Mahomet to be greater the other to own Christ really in word but the Pope ●● be his Vicar great High Priest and head of the Church and so truly and really in act and deed to be above him as is manifest by all his doings but in as much as it has spread it self so universally and containeth such variety of parts I shall only endeavour its discrimmation leaving the application to all concerned therein 1. Then I conclude that the Apostasie spoken of in Scripture consists in departing from the truth of the Gospel both in matters of Faith and practice but chiefly in matters of Faith because Faith includes practice and practice followeth Faith and that it 's stated in these and the like Scriptures 2 Thes 3. to 12. Let no man deceive you by any means for that day shall not come except there be a falling away first c. Which falling away as it 's explained to relate to the Man of sin so it is to believe lies vers 3 11. 1 Tim. 4. 1 2 3. Now the Spirit speaketh expresly that in the latter times some shall depart from the Faith 2 Tim. 3. 1 to 9. This know also that in the latter days perillous times shall come and vers 8. They are reprobate or of no judgment concerning the Faith ch 4. 4. They shall turn away their Ears from the truth and be turned unto Fables Now our search must be to find out where these things really are and there the apostasie is where ever lies are believed in stead of truth and the truth thereby denyed such are in the apostasie that consisting in believing lies 1. Whosoever denieth Jesus Christ crucified for our sins raised and ascended to be the Son of God and the Son of David truly God and man and as so to be the alone foundation of Gospel faith grace and glory denyeth the gospel and the faith thereof and is in the Apostasie 1 Cor. 3. 11. 2. 2. 15. 3. 4. Luk. 2. 32. 2. Who ever denyeth in word or deed Jesus Christ crucified raised and ascended to be the alone head Lord and Lawgiver of and to his Church and that subjection in all things does not of right belong to him is deeply in the apostasie Eph. 5. 23 24. Col. 1. 18. Act. 3. 22. Luk. 19. 14. 27. Christ But few profest Christians will in word deny these things but all profess to own him as the Foundation Head and Lord of his Church Min. Notwithstanding persons may in word confess him so to be yet whoever layeth any other foundation of faith and life than Jesus Christ crucified or chooseth to themselves or submitteth to any other Lord or Law giver in things truly divine and Spiritual viz in matters of Gospel saith and Worship besides Christ the Lord whether Papal or others do really and indeed deny Christ to be the foundation of Christian faith or to be the Head and Lord of his Church and whoever accepteth such a headship Executing thereof usurpeth his Authority of whom the papal Head has been chief and leader in this matter the exercise of human coercive power in things properly belonging to Jesus Christ viz. all matters of faith and worship wherein conscience toward God and our Lord Jesus Christ alone is concerned being that which does really out and end his Lordship and rule in this matter and in this the Scripture seems to place the head of the apostasie at which door most of the errours both in faith and Worship has been ushered in 2 Thes 2. 4. gives us a full discription of this Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God or that is Worshipped so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God shewing himself that he is God viz he setteth himself and sitteth where God alone should rule viz in and over the conscience in divine things which is proper only to Jesus Christ giving Laws to men on this account which must be submited to whatever Jesus Christ the Lord has said to the contrary and wherever and as long as this Spirit liveth and worketh the Pope nor Apostasie will not die 3. Who ever denyeth the Holy Scriptures to be the alone ground and rule of Christian faith in all matters of Gospel faith and Worship and that it is not sufficient in it self to wise and instruct us therein without mens inventions additions and harsh interpretations is deeply in the Apostasie The reasons there of are 1. Because it being the divine Revelation of the will of God it 's sufficient in it self for our instruction To make us Wise unto Salvation Isa 8. 20. Ps 119. 98 99. 2 Tim. 3. 15 16 17. 2. Because otherwise our faith and obedience must depend on human Authority and not on the divine word and will of God and so must be a human faith and Worship and not divine and how far this is from the Popish faith to believe as the Church believeth and Worship as the Church requireth is easie to be understood by a weak capacity 3. Because without the divine Revelation of the will of God in these matters we must have been as other Gentile Nations that are without it and never heard thereof and therefore in reason we ought to submit thereto in all things according to our knowledge therein having no other rule to submit unto that is divine in things of Gospel concern so that if we turn away from this we turn away from Christianity it self in the truth thereof thereby declaring our selves

1. It derogates from the perfection of God from which they pretend thereby to escape denying him to be capable to be what he hath said he is and his Throne and dwelling Place to be where he hath said it is and to do what he hath said he doth and will do which is his perfection in a God-like way to do 2. It 's that which tends to end the Scripture revelation as the truth of God tending to make us wholly at a loss concerning his mind and will relating to us rendering him to have two Wills contrary to each other and that he intends not what he speaks and so leaves us wholly at a loss about the Divine revelation ●●ich is exceeding dishonorable unto God and perni●●rs unto men Christ Christ saith in the institution of the Sup●● Mat. 26. 26 28. Of the Bread this is my Body ●●● of the Wine this is my Blood c. And if we take ●●ccording to the Letter we know it is not so And it ●●●ise justifies the Popish Transubstantion Min. Much might be said to this but I shall in this ●●ce only say this unto it viz. That both Christ and ●● Apostle Paul fully explains these Words to be a fi●●ative Speech 1. that Christ explains it Luk. 22. ●● This do in remembrance of me to let them and us ●●w that he did not intend that it was he himself but ●● Ordinance instituted and left to the Church in re●●mbrance of him viz. Of what he had suffered for ●●m so the Apostle likewise from the mouth of ●hrist explains it 1 Cor. 11. 24 25 26. This do in ●●membrance of me and this do in remembrance of me ●●● as often as ye Eat this Bread and Drink this Cup ●● do shew the Lords Death till he come it was Bread all even when they eat it and the Cup viz. the ●ine was Wine still and it was to shew the Lords ●●ath and not the Lords Death so that it 's fully ex●●ained in the Divine Record to be a remembrance a ●●ure a shew and not the thing it self so that Tran●●bstantiation is not only irrational but unscriptural and so irreligious Christ I shall at present enquire no further but de●re you to draw up the sum of the whole as briefly as you ●●n and so to conclude the present discourse Min. I shall but before I so do and in order thereunto I shall briefly promise five things 1. That the Scriptures are the divine and revealed Word and Will of God and as so are our rule in all matters both of gospel-Gospel-Faith and Practice Isa 8. 20. 2 Tim. 3. 15. 1 Joh. 4. 6. and that whoever denieth this denieth the ground of all Christian Faith and Religion as likewise those who affirm that the promises and precepts are not God's intentions or purpose 2. That all matters of Faith especially of things fundamental viz. things to be believed and de●● without which we cannot be saved are plainly set down in the Scripture and are to be understood according to the express Letter of the Scripture or the plain Scope and Reason thereof and not to build our Faith on mens interpretations and additions otherwise our Faith must be built on mens interpretations and additions and not on the Word of the Lord which must needs be an uncertain and unsafe building and if we so build our Faith how far we shall be from Rome in this matter is easie to be understood by the weakest capacity 3. That had we not had this Divine Revelation of Gospel grace by Christ we should have been as ignorant thereof as the Nations that are without it 4. And therefore it much concerns us to believe it on its own authority and to prize it and cleave to it without adding or diminishing by interpretation● or additions of failable men especially in things fundamental 5. I add That what I have said in this Discourse or shall further say is not so much by way of interpretation otherwise than by comparing and uniting the Scripture in its own light language and reason so as that I doubt not but the meanest capacity being wil●●g may easily understand and the belief thereof impose on none further than it 's apprehended truth ●●d worth takes place in the understandings and con●●ences of men Having premised these things I shall result the whole ● briefly as possible I can in which if I am not very ●●ch mistaken is comprehended most of the Funda●entals of Gospel Doctrin and Christian Faith and ●●ligion in order to salvation united in the plain ●●ds sense and truth of Scripture as a golden ●●in of which not one link may be broken without ●●ger to the whole 1. That God is Heb. 11. 6. and that there is but one ●●d the Father and one Lord Jesus Christ 1 Cor. 8. 6. ●●d that this one God is an infinite incomprehensible ●●rious and eternal Being most holy wise just good ●●d gracious almighty omnipresent merciful and true ●●d faithful in his sayings Deut. 33. 7. Isa 40. 28. 1 Sam. 1 Psal 139. 7. 2. That this almighty wise and good God made all ●●●ngs by Jesus Christ Joh. 1. 1 2 3. with Ephes 3. 9. ●● 1. 16. Heb. 1. 2. and that he made all things good his own content Gen. 1. 31. and made man best of ●●l viz. in his own Image or likeness Gen. 1. 26 ● 28. and so did not nor could not make any de●rdly to sin and be damned it being contrary to the ●●dness of his nature and name and the truth of his ●ord and so impossible for so wise holy just and good God to make any of his Creatures designedly to so ●● an end 3. That man by transgressing the Law of his Maker● seil from that good estate in which he was made into an estate of sin and death Gen. 2. 16 17. and 3. 6 and that death threatned and inflicted was only the first death Gen. 3. 16 17 18 19. 1 Cor. 1● 21 2● and that this death came into and passeth upon all men Rom. 5. 12 18. 4. That God of his own free goodness and mercy immediately aft●r the sin and fall set him upon promise of recovery and restitution out of this fal● state by the ●●●d of the Woman that should brou●● the head design of the Serpent Gen. 3. 15. and afterward frequently renewed the promise of this Grac● to Mankind Gen. 22. 18. and 26. 4. and 28. 14. Psa● 72. 11 17. Joh. 1. 45. with Act. 3. 21. 5. That according to the promise of this grace who the fulness of time was comes God sent forth this promised Seed and Son made of a Woman Gal. 4. 4. th● Seed of Abraham the Son of David and the Son God truly God and Man Matth. 1. 1. Luk. 1. 32 3. Rom. 9. 5. as a real demonstration of love to the World according to the foregoing promises thereof Luk. 2. 1 Joh. 2. 16. 6. That this Son and Saviour being come into ● World for this

thing mistaken I would gladly be informed therein from Scripture light and right reason Isa 8. 20. the things being of great if not of greatest concern and if I mistake not are all of them the revealed things of Divine wisdom and therefore it belongs to us to be enquiring thereinto and on these grounds I am not willing to doubt your ready and inoffensive reception of my poor endeavours in these great matters with this my Dedication Considering first that you know though all men are not skilled in the Langudges nor in artificial Philosophy yet it is radically in all rational men without which they could not be capable either of artificial attainments or of Divine teachings 2 That you know God is at liberty in his teaching and always has been so and therefore may as formerly he has done led the unlearned into truth asson as the learned and sometimes before them Luke 10. 21. 1 Cor. 1. 26. to 29. Therefore let not the Learned despise the unlearned nor the unlearned judge the learned but prize and own the teachings of God in each other let us be humble and self denying let us own truth and reject error where ere we find it and thus it will be where Christ and Grace rules O that none of us all may give the Lord cause to say of us as of his people of old Hos 8. 12. I have written to him the great things of my law and they were counted as a strange thing I desire that none of the great things God has written to us in his Gospel law of grace may be accounted strange by us And thus not to detain you any longer in this Dedication I commit the ensuing Discourse to your most serious considerations and the like unto all into whose hands it may come if any thing therein carry not Scripture authority in it let it not be credited but if it do take heed and beware how you contradict it this and no other is expected by him who longeth for the manifestation of the Gospel in its truth purity and power the glory of God and the good of all men Fare ye well T. C. THE PREFACE TO THE READER Christian Reader THis ensuing Treatise or Christian discourse as it s brought forth by special occasion so it s really designed for thy special profiting and spiritual advantage the name of God and Christ the truth of the Gospel the spiritual and Eternal good of men being greatly concerned in the matters discoursed on altho its true that by reason of the Apostacy and other occasions we may truly say that darkness yea gross darkness hath covered us and the vail and covering spread over all Nations hath very much bewildred us and that in the great things of the glorious Gospel of the blessed God And that which is most of all to be lamented is that we are willing to have it so if any glimmerings of light but begin to appear out of the darkness we cry out upon it as if some prodigious Comet or foul spirit had appeared and that it may be before we so much as admit of a serious search and due consideration whether it be true or false A wonderful perverse spirit seems to be in us on this account Many I am perswaded crying out on that they never saw and others on that they never read with deliberation and judgment seriously pondering it in the balance of the sanctuary and so speak evil of the things they understand not which necessarily may tend to bring under that wo. Isa 5 20. Wo to them that call evil good and good evil that put darkness for light and light for darkness If we are so averse in our minds as not to have patience to ponder ought but what our selves indulge be it right or wrong and cry down all that seems contrary thereunto we may cry down truth for errour and cry up errour instead of truth it s an old and known proverb the burnt child dreads the fire the sence of which laid to heart would tend to make us more wise For help and cure in this matter I shall premise a few things to serious consideration 1. That its a matter of highest concern to us all to understand believe and obey the truth to love the truth and peace it being truth that must intrest us in Gospel freedom and without the saving knowledge thereof we may not expect to obtain it Joh. 8 31 32. 2. That we all come short in our knowledge and understanding of the great things of the Gospel and may and must say if we say right even in this very matter that in many things we offend all and need the mercy of God in our Lord Jesus to pardon and cover our ignorances if not our wilfulness which on our repentance he is ready to do 3. That notwithstanding this vail of darkness and ignorance too much of wilfulness yet in the due and true sence thereof and as it s our great concern if we be duely and diligently searching and enquiring after the knowledg of the mind and will of God as revealed in the word of his Grace and that in all things relating to matters both of Faith and practice it s his promise that in this way knowledge shall be increased And then shall they know if they follow on to know the Lord. Dan. 12 4. Hos 6 3. 4. And as an encouragement herein and as it s generally in word acknowledged that matters of fundamental concern are plainly and not darkly stated in the Scriptures which is or should be of encouragement to us all to be enquiring thereinto and to strike dead that spirit and practice of putting harsh interpretations on the plain revealed will of God in the Gospel so darkening if not outing and ending even the fundamental truths thereof the divine revelation being the alone ground and rule of our faith and practice in all matters of Gospel concern 5. And yet that we are moderate in our notions and not impose our apprehensions and supposed light on others no otherwise than the apprehended truth thereof takes place in the understanding and conscience imposition any other ways being the Babylonish apostatised spirit and is far from the spirit of the Gospel where is most of Gospel light and truth obtained such are furthest from an imposing spirit on others 2 Cor. 1. 24. Phil. 3. 15 16. 1 Pet. 5. 3. and those who are most in the flesh and involved in darkness are ordinarily the greatest imposers of their supposed light upon others Joh. 16. 2. Gal. 4. 29. 2 Thes 2. 3 4. 6. And yet it concerns the children of light as to concrete in so earnestly to contend for the faith as it was once delivered to the Saints Jude v. 3. Tho all should be done in the Gospel spirit of love and peace which I hope I can say has been my design in all and would be my joy to see more of love and peace among all profest Christians as