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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A00596	The Fisher catched in his owne net	Featley, Daniel, 1582-1645.	1623 (1623)	STC 10732; ESTC S120857	13,298	32

THE FISHER CATCHED IN HIS OWNE NET M.DC.XXIII THE OCCASION AND ISSVE OF THE LATE CONFERENCE HAD BETWEEN Dr. White Deane of Carleil and Dr. Featly with Mr. Fisher and Mr. Sweet Iesuites was this as followeth EDward Buggs Esquire about the age of 70 yeares being lately sick was solicited by some Papists then about him to forsake the Protestant faith telling him there was no hope of saluation without the Church there was no Catholik Church but theirs and to beleeue the Catholike Church was the Article of his Creed and by it could no other Church be meant but the Church of Rome because it could not be proued by all the Protestants in the kingdome that they had any Church before Luther This Gentleman being much troubled in his mind with these and the like suggestions who all his life time had bin and professed himselfe a religious Protestant became now more sicke in minde then body and if by Gods mercifull goodnesse he had not recouered of this sicknesse it is to be feared hee had falne both from his Mother Church and his former faith as some of the nearest of his owne blood to his great griefe haue lately been seduced by like inticements After his recouery being much troubled in mind with these former suggestions of the popish Priests he repaired to Sir Humfrey Lynde Knight who by reason of his alliance and long acquaintance vvith him gaue the best satisfaction he could to his said cousin Mr. Buggs who seemed to take content in such his conference and to be well satisfied by him in all points But the Popish Priests and Iesuites not desisting to creepe in further where they had once made a breach perseuering still in questioning him where his Church was before Luther Whereupon he repaired againe to Sir Humfrey Lynde and required some further satisfaction of him concerning that demand And thereupon Sir Humfrey Lynde tolde him it was first in Christ and the Apostles consequently also conspicuous in the primitiue Church for 600 yeares after Christ after which time some errors crept into the Church as diseases into a mans body so that the Church which Luther and we acknowledge was in generall the same Christian Church as his body was the same substantiall body being now well and lately sicke though different in the qualities And for the better strengthening of his mind the said Sir Humfrey Lynde inuited him to his house in the countrey thereby the better to preuent the daily sollicitation of those dangerous seducers And after his returne to London the said Sir Humfrey Lynde going to Mr. Buggs his house in Drury lane to visite him found Mr. Fisher the Iesuite there where after some debates about Religion and the visibilitie of the Church Mr. Fisher called for pen and inke and set downe this question in terminis thereby adding vnder his hand that he would answer vpon it negatiuely as chalenging and expecting opposers deliuering also the paper into the hands of the said Sir Humfrey Lynde who vpon view of it answered that it was an historicall question and not so proper for disputation But Mr. Fisher. vrging it Sir Humfrey told him if he would go to Dr. Whites where formerly he had been the said Doctor would easily resolue those doubts Which being refused by the Iesuite the said Sir Humfrey did then returne him his paper againe and so left him About two dayes after Mr. Buggs repaired to Sir Humfrey Lynd and intreated him for his satisfaction to giue Mr. Fisher a meeting saying that Mr. Fisher had againe told him that he would maintaine what he had set downe and that our Diuines could not proue our Church visible before Luthers time Whereupon Sir Humfrey told him that Dr. White and Dr. Featly were to dine with him on Friday following and if after dinner Mr. Fisher would come thither with foure or six at the most they should be admitted for his sake and his wifes who by reason of such sollicitation were troubled in their minds and satisfaction should be giuen as occasion required And these were the true causes of the meeting as is before declared Vpon which Friday being the 27 of Iune 1623. Mr. Fisher Mr. Sweet Iesuites and some others with them came to Sir Humfrey Lynds house into a little dining roome where they found the aforesaid Mr. Buggs his wife and children and others of Sir Humfreys friends that had then dined with him together with some others also whose comming in as the said Sir Humfrey did not expect so he could not with ciuilitie put them forth his house but did instantly cause his doores to be locked vp that no more might enter in notwithstanding which his command some others also came in scatteringly after the Conference began A RELATION OF WHAT PASSED IN A CONFERENCE TOVCHING the visibilitie of the Church Iun. 27. 1623. DOctor White and Doctor Featly being inuited to dinner by Sir Humfrey Lynde and staying a while after had notice giuen them that Mr. Fisher and Mr. Sweet Iesuites were in the next roome ready to conferre with them touching a question set downe by Mr. Fisher vnder his owne hand in these words viz. Whether the Protestant Church was in all ages visible and especially in the ages going before Luther 2. And whether the names of such visible Protestants in all ages can be shewed and proued out of good Authors This question being deliuered to the parties aboue named and it being notified vnto them that there were certaine persons who had been solicited and remaining doubtfull in religion desired satisfaction especially in this point they were perswaded to haue some speech with the Iesuites touching this point the rather because the Priests and Iesuites do daily cast out papers and disperse them in secret in which they vaunt that no Protestant Minister dare encounter them in this point At the beginning of his meeting when the disputants were set Dr. Featly drew out the paper in which the question aboue rehearsed was written with these words in the margent viz. I will answer that it was not and demanded of Mr. Fisher whether this were his owne hand which after he had acknowledged Dr. Featly began as followeth 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 To this vniuersall demand requiring rather an Historicall large volume then a Syllogisticall briefe dispute we answer 1. That although diuine infallible faith is not built vpon deduction out of humane history but diuine reuelation as is confessed by your owne Schoole-men and expresly by Cardinall Bellarmine Historiae humanae faciunt tantum fidem humanam cui subesse potest falsum Humane stories and records beget onely an humane faith or rather credulitie subiect to error not a diuine and infallible beliefe which must be built vpon surer ground 2. Although this question be grounded vpon vncertaine and false supposals for a Church may haue been visible yet not the names of all visible professors thereof now to be shewed and proued out of good Authors there might be