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A68474 Appello Cæsarem A iust appeale from two vniust informers· / By Richard Mountagu. Montagu, Richard, 1577-1641. 1625 (1625) STC 18031; ESTC S112844 144,688 352

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divide_v can_v stand_v but_o the_o truth_n be_v as_o with_o the_o jesuit_n he_o be_v a_o heretic_n that_o be_v not_o furioso_fw-it more_o a_o roman_n catholic_n so_o with_o the_o puritan_n he_o be_v a_o papist_n that_o will_v not_o run_v a-madding_a with_o they_o it_o be_v not_o the_o first_o time_n for_o this_o very_a cause_n i_o have_v be_v talk_v of_o esteem_v of_o traduce_v as_o a_o papist_n which_o i_o can_v the_o better_a brook_n because_o they_o have_v mete_v this_o measure_n to_o the_o church_n of_o england_n itself_o as_o sympathize_v with_o papist_n in_o her_o liturgy_n discipline_n and_o doctrine_n too_o it_o be_v to_o be_v wish_v that_o such_o transport_v spirit_n be_v teach_v to_o be_v more_o submiss_a and_o spare_v in_o their_o talk_n i_o call_v god_n and_o all_o his_o holy_a angel_n to_o witness_v i_o nor_o be_o nor_o have_v be_v nor_o intend_v to_o be_v hereafter_o either_o papist_n or_o romish_a catholic_n a_o papist_n of_o state_n or_o of_o religion_n but_o a_o 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gunpowder_n spirit_n can_v never_o rely_v upon_o middling_a course_n but_o dum_fw-la furor_fw-la in_o cursu_fw-la est_fw-la run_v on_o headlong_o into_o extreme_n and_o so_o i_o may_v avow_v i_o will_v not_o be_v a_o papist_n in_o haste_n because_o i_o never_o be_v a_o puritan_n in_o earnest_n or_o in_o jest_n have_v find_v it_o true_a in_o my_o small_a observation_n that_o our_o revolter_n unto_o popery_n be_v puritan_n avow_v or_o addict_v first_o and_o yet_o it_o must_v be_v grant_v all_o powder_n do_v not_o take_v fire_n alike_o nor_o be_v all_o puritan_n spirit_n of_o one_o disposition_n with_o some_o of_o they_o more_o brainsick_a than_o the_o rest_n all_o my_o book_n against_o the_o gagger_n be_v quick_o brand_v with_o popery_n or_o scurrility_n with_o other_o more_o discreet_a i_o do_v but_o walk_v upon_o the_o brink_n of_o popery_n wherein_o be_v some_o allay_n of_o that_o former_a fervency_n for_o upon_o their_o better_a advice_n i_o be_o but_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d at_o the_o next_o door_n unto_o it_o what_o they_o think_v or_o speak_v i_o can_v hinder_v nor_o do_v i_o great_o care_v i_o profess_v myself_o none_o of_o those_o furious_a one_o in_o point_n of_o difference_n nowadays_o who_o profession_n and_o resolution_n be_v that_o the_o far_a in_o any_o thing_n from_o communion_n with_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n the_o near_a unto_o god_n and_o truth_n that_o we_o ought_v to_o have_v no_o commerce_n society_n or_o accordance_n with_o papist_n in_o thing_n divine_a nor_o almost_o humane_a upon_o pain_n of_o eternal_a damnation_n but_o must_v bid_v defiance_n irreconcilable_a unto_o they_o for_o ever_o i_o be_o absolute_o persuade_v and_o shall_v be_v till_o i_o see_v cause_n to_o the_o contrary_a that_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n be_v a_o true_a though_o not_o a_o sound_a church_n of_o christ_n as_o well_o since_o as_o before_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n a_o part_n of_o the_o catholic_n though_o not_o the_o catholic_n church_n which_o we_o do_v profess_v to_o believe_v in_o our_o creed_n a_o church_n in_o which_o among_o many_o tare_n there_o remain_v some_o wheat_n in_o essential_o and_o fundamental_o they_o agree_v hold_v one_o faith_n in_o one_o lord_n into_o who_o they_o be_v insert_v through_o one_o baptism_n ecclesia_fw-la papalis_fw-la say_v franciscus_n junius_n neither_o papist_n nor_o arminian_n quâ_fw-la id_fw-la habet_fw-la 17._o in_o se_fw-la quod_fw-la ad_fw-la definitionem_fw-la ecclesiae_fw-la pertinet_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la and_o i_o very_o be_o persuade_v that_o i_o ought_v not_o to_o go_v far_o from_o the_o church_n of_o rome_n in_o these_o her_o worst_a day_n than_o she_o have_v go_v away_o from_o herself_o in_o her_o best_a day_n i_o hold_v it_o to_o be_v furious_a zeal_n without_o discretion_n issue_v out_o of_o ignorance_n or_o malice_n or_o both_o in_o they_o who_o proceed_v so_o far_o in_o their_o extravagant_a
assertion_n as_o to_o profess_v that_o turk_n and_o turkism_n be_v to_o be_v prefer_v before_o and_o rather_o embrace_v than_o papist_n and_o popery_n with_o who_o the_o puritan-papist_n the_o jesuit_n be_v quit_v for_o they_o teach_v the_o like_o concern_v turk_n and_o heretic_n as_o they_o call_v we_o but_o the_o truth_n be_v haec_fw-la non_fw-la est_fw-la illa_fw-la helena_n these_o opinion_n be_v not_o the_o thing_n which_o offend_v they_o so_o much_o or_o move_v they_o to_o impute_v these_o calumny_n unto_o m._n mountagu_n there_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o that_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d for_o whereas_o the_o puritan_n be_v wont_a to_o be_v shroud_v under_o the_o covert_n of_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o to_o vent_v publish_v and_o tender_v their_o many_o idle_a dream_n fancy_n and_o fury_n unto_o the_o world_n under_o pretext_n of_o the_o doctrine_n of_o our_o church_n and_o our_o opposite_n of_o the_o romish_a side_n do_v according_o charge_v our_o church_n with_o they_o m._n mountagu_n out_o of_o just_a indignation_n against_o that_o open_a wrong_n and_o injury_n do_v unto_o his_o mother_n and_o as_o he_o do_v assure_o hope_n to_o the_o good_a service_n of_o his_o majesty_n and_o the_o church_n have_v disband_v they_o from_o their_o shelter_n take_v they_o off_o from_o collude_v under_o the_o church_n protection_n and_o send_v they_o to_o their_o own_o home_n to_o shroud_v there_o if_o they_o can_v and_o to_o answer_v for_o themselves_o to_o make_v good_a their_o own_o cause_n by_o and_o of_o themselves_o and_o likewise_o have_v assert_v the_o church_n unto_o her_o own_o true_a tenant_n natural_a and_o proper_a unto_o that_o doctrine_n which_o be_v public_o determine_v and_o authorize_v in_o her_o authentic_a record_n to_o the_o high_a displeasure_n no_o doubt_n and_o distaste_v of_o such_o a_o porent_a overween_a faction_n as_o they_o be_v hinc_fw-la mihi_fw-la sola_fw-la mali_fw-la labes_fw-la this_o be_v the_o ground_n 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