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A50248 A defence of the answer and arguments of the synod met at Boston in the year 1662 concerning the subject of Baptism and consociation of churches against the reply made thereto, by the Reverend Mr. John Davenport, pastor of the church at New-Haven, in his treatise entituled Another essay for investigation of the truth &c. : together with an answer to the apologetical preface set before that essay, by some of the elders who were members of the Synod above-mentioned. Mather, Richard, 1596-1669. 1664 (1664) Wing M1271; ESTC W19818 155,430 150

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be_v not_o ground_n for_o any_o to_o rest_v o●_n acquiesce_v in_o as_o to_o the_o salvation_n of_o their_o own_o soul_n in_o sum_n while_o we_o keep_v a_o due_a distinction_n between_o the_o outward_a and_o inward_a dispensation_n of_o the_o covenant_n and_o between_o the_o respective_a ●_z and_o ground_n of_o each_o there_o be_v no_o tendency_n unto_o harden_v therein_o but_o indeed_o 〈…〉_z and_o do_v tie_v visible_a church-interest_n unto_o such_o condition_n and_o qualification_n as_o be_v repute_v enough_o to_o salvation_n this_o may_v tend_v to_o harden_v man_n and_o to_o make_v they_o conceit_n that_o if_o once_o they_o be_v get_v into_o the_o church_n they_o be_v sure_a of_o heaven_n when_o 〈◊〉_d it_o may_v be_v they_o be_v far_o from_o it_o 2._o the_o scripture_n give_v we_o a_o contrary_a assertion_n to_o this_o of_o our_o brethren_n here_o for_o they_o tell_v we_o that_o to_o deny_v the_o child_n of_o the_o church_n to_o have_v any_o part_n in_o the_o lord_n have_v a_o strong_a tendency_n in_o it_o to_o make_v they_o cease_v from_o fear_v the_o lord_n or_o to_o harden_v their_o heart_n from_o his_o fear_n josh._n 22.24_o 25_o 27._o and_o that_o on_o the_o other_o hand_n the_o encouragement_n and_o awful_a obligation_n of_o covenant-interest_n do_v great_o tend_v to_o soft●●_n and_o break_v the_o heart_n and_o to_o draw_v it_o home_o unto_o god_n hence_o the_o lord_n often_o begin_v with_o this_o that_o he_o be_v their_o god_n viz._n in_o outward_a covenant_n and_o they_o his_o people_n when_o he_o will_v most_o powerful_o win_v and_o draw_v they_o to_o faith_n and_o obedience_n psal._n 81.8_o 10._o levit._fw-la 19.3_o 4._o deut._n 14.1_o 2._o hosea_n 14.1_o act._n 2.38_o 39_o and_o the_o experience_n of_o many_o can_v through_o grace_n witness_n unto_o this_o of_o what_o use_v the_o consideration_n of_o the_o lord_n prevent_v grace_n in_o his_o seal_a covenant_n and_o their_o engagement_n to_o he_o thereby_o have_v be_v in_o the_o day_n of_o their_o turn_n unto_o god_n so_o jer._n 31.18_o &_o 3.22_o gal._n 1.15_o 3._o there_o be_v a_o natural_a tendency_n in_o man_n corrupt_a heart_n not_o in_o this_o or_o any_o other_o truth_n or_o ordinance_n of_o god_n that_o lead_v he_o to_o turn_v grace_n into_o wantonness_n and_o to_o abuse_v outward_a privilege_n and_o ordinance_n unto_o a_o self-hardning_a security_n and_o carnal_a confidence_n jer._n 7.4_o mat._n 3.9_o rom._n 2.17_o phil._n 3.4_o 5_o 6_o 7._o but_o be_v this_o any_o argument_n against_o the_o lord_n or_o the_o church_n give_v man_n a_o portion_n in_o his_o temple_n and_o ordinance_n because_o they_o be_v prone_a so_o to_o abuse_v they_o confidence_n in_o outward_a visible_a qualification_n for_o full_a communion_n be_v but_o a_o vain_a and_o carnal_a thing_n yet_o man_n be_v prone_a enough_o to_o it_o and_o have_v need_n by_o the_o ministry_n be_v take_v off_o from_o it_o but_o shall_v we_o therefore_o deny_v or_o scruple_n their_o admission_n thereunto_o 4._o if_o one_o shall_v bring_v such_o a_o argument_n as_o this_o against_o the_o baptise_v of_o infant_n viz._n that_o it_o will_v harden_v they_o and_o bolster_v they_o up_o in_o their_o sinful_a natural_a condition_n we_o suppose_v it_o will_v be_v count_v a_o poor_a argument_n and_o of_o no_o validity_n and_o yet_o it_o hold_v as_o well_o against_o the_o baptise_v of_o any_o infant_n as_o of_o these_o in_o question_n if_o it_o be_v say_v that_o the_o baptise_v of_o these_o in_o question_n harden_v the_o parent_n ans._n not_o at_o all_o in_o the_o way_n we_o go_v any_o more_o with_o reference_n to_o his_o child_n baptism_n then_o in_o reference_n to_o his_o own_o baptism_n which_o he_o receive_v in_o infancy_n for_o it_o do_v not_o necessary_o affirm_v that_o he_o have_v any_o more_o than_o federal_a holiness_n and_o that_o he_o have_v when_o he_o be_v a_o infant_n on_o that_o ground_n be_v he_o baptise_a then_o and_o on_o the_o same_o ground_n be_v his_o child_n baptise_a now_o if_o he_o have_v any_o more_o he_o may_v have_v the_o more_o comfort_n in_o it_o but_o simple_o to_o have_v his_o child_n baptise_a on_o the_o ground_n we_o go_v upon_o affirm_v no_o more_o but_o this_o because_o we_o ground_n all_o upon_o federal_a holiness_n or_o membership_n in_o the_o visible_a church_n it_o be_v true_a that_o baptism_n be_v a_o seal_n of_o the_o whole_a covenant_n of_o grace_n as_o well_o as_o the_o lord_n supper_n but_o it_o be_v as_o true_a 1._o that_o it_o be_v a_o seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n as_o dispense_v in_o the_o visible_a church_n or_o it_o be_v a_o seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n as_o clothe_v with_o the_o external_a dispensation_n or_o administration_n thereof_o and_o so_o it_o do_v next_o and_o immediate_o seal_v the_o external_a dispensation_n or_o the_o promise_v and_o privilege_n that_o belong_v thereto_o which_o be_v a_o part_n of_o the_o whole_a covenant_n of_o grace_n and_o then_o it_o seal_v the_o inward_a and_o save_a benefit_n of_o the_o covenant_n as_o include_v in_o that_o dispensation_n and_o upon_o the_o condition_n therein_o propound_v baptism_n seal_v the_o whole_a covenant_n and_o whole_a dispensation_n thereof_o i._n e._n 1._o the_o dispensation_n of_o it_o outward_o to_o all_o that_o have_v a_o external_a stand_n in_o the_o church_n 2._o the_o dispensation_n and_o communication_n of_o it_o inward_o effectual_o and_o save_o to_o all_o that_o true_o do_v believe_v 2._o that_o baptism_n be_v a_o seal_n of_o entrance_n into_o the_o covenant_n thus_o consider_v it_o seal_v the_o whole_a covenant_n but_o by_o way_n of_o initiation_n so_o dr._n ames_n in_o the_o place_n that_o be_v here_o quote_v medul_n lib._n 1._o cap._n 40._o thes._n 5_o 6._o baptism_n be_v the_o sacrament_n of_o initiation_n or_o regeneration_n for_o although_o it_o do_v at_o once_o seal_v the_o whole_a covenant_n of_o grace_n to_o the_o faithful_a yet_o by_o a_o singular_a appropriation_n it_o represent_v and_o confirm_v our_o very_a engraft_v into_o christ_n rom._n 6.3_o 5._o 1_o cor._n 12.13_o and_o thesis_n 10._o those_o benefit_n be_v seal_v by_o way_n of_o initiation_n in_o baptism_n and_o from_o thence_o the_o judicious_a doctor_n make_v that_o inference_n that_o suit_v and_o clear_v the_o matter_n in_o hand_n thes._n 11._o hence_o baptism_n ought_v to_o be_v administer_v to_o all_o those_o unto_o who_o the_o covenant_n of_o grace_n belong_v because_o it_o be_v the_o first_o seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n now_o first_o enter_v into_o baptism_n be_v the_o seal_n of_o entrance_n into_o covenant_n seal_v up_o unto_o the_o party_n baptize_v all_o the_o good_a of_o the_o covenant_n to_o be_v in_o season_n communicate_v and_o enjoy_v from_o step_n to_o step_v through_o the_o whole_a progress_n of_o christianity_n from_o this_o first_o beginning_n thereof_o according_a to_o the_o tenor_n and_o order_n of_o the_o covenant_n hence_o it_o belong_v to_o all_o that_o be_v within_o the_o covenant_n or_o that_o have_v but_o a_o first_o entrance_n thereinto_o child_n as_o well_o as_o other_o though_o they_o have_v not_o yet_o such_o faith_n and_o growth_n as_o import_v that_o progress_n in_o the_o covenant_n and_o fruition_n of_o the_o comfort_n and_o ●ruits_n thereof_o that_o be_v seal_v up_o in_o the_o lord_n supper_n we_o ready_o grant_v and_o say_v that_o ●●ne_n ought_v to_o have_v the_o seal_n of_o baptism_n apply_v in_o th●●_n 〈◊〉_d those_o that_o be_v interest_v in_o the_o covenant_n and_o that_o by_o faith_n unless_o you_o can_v show_v we_o any_o other_o way_n of_o interest_n in_o the_o covenant_n but_o by_o faith_n but_o withal_o we_o aff●●m_o and_o prove_v that_o the_o child_n in_o question_n have_v interest_n in_o the_o covenant_n according_a to_o the_o know_a tenor_n thereof_o gen._n 17.7_o and_o therefore_o that_o the_o seal_n of_o baptism_n be_v to_o be_v
if_o actual_a be_v contradistinct_a from_o potential_a then_o they_o that_o be_v member_n according_a to_o scripture_n be_v actual_a member_n and_o not_o only_o potential_a or_o potential_o such_o for_o such_o potential_a member_n the_o scripture_n approve_v not_o upon_o these_o ground_n we_o see_v no_o necessity_n of_o the_o alteration_n forementioned_a propos._n 3_o the_o infant-seed_n etc._n etc._n when_o grow_v up_o be_v personal_o under_o the_o watch_n discipline_n and_o government_n of_o the_o church_n arg._n 1._o child_n be_v under_o patriarchall_a and_o moysaicall_a discipline_n of_o old_a etc._n etc._n reply_n the_o text_n allege_v viz._n gen._n 18.19_o &_o 21.9_o 10.12_o and_o gal._n 5.3_o do_v not_o prove_v the_o antecedent_n viz._n that_o child_n be_v under_o patriarchal_a and_o moysaicall_a discipline_n p._n 10._o ans._n and_o yet_o for_o the_o one_o of_o these_o the_o reverend_a author_n confess_v in_o answer_n to_o this_o argument_n pag._n 11.12_o that_o the_o member_n 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church_n to_o cease_v and_o if_o their_o communion_n with_o the_o church_n do_v not_o cease_v but_o continue_v how_o can_v it_o be_v avoid_v but_o they_o be_v under_o church-discipline_n where_o shall_v we_o find_v ground_n from_o scripture_n or_o good_a reason_n that_o these_o child_n when_o adult_n do_v still_o continue_v in_o communion_n with_o the_o church_n and_o yet_o be_v not_o under_o the_o church-discipline_n that_o then_o be_v it_o seem_v to_o we_o that_o the_o one_o of_o these_o which_o the_o reverend_a author_n do_v express_o affirm_v do_v unavoidable_o imply_v the_o other_o which_o be_v affirm_v by_o the_o synod_n there_o may_v be_v many_o child_n in_o those_o family_n of_o the_o patriarch_n who_o when_o they_o be_v adult_n be_v neither_o cast_v out_o as_o ishmael_n nor_o depart_v as_o esau_n and_o these_o continue_n in_o communion_n with_o the_o church_n all_o the_o day_n of_o their_o life_n from_o their_o be_v circumcise_v as_o the_o reverend_a author_n say_v they_o do_v they_o be_v therefore_o under_o the_o church-discipline_n that_o then_o be_v and_o if_o they_o may_v be_v cast_v out_o as_o ishmael_n be_v gen._n 21._o as_o the_o reverend_a author_n confess_v it_o can_v be_v deny_v but_o that_o there_o be_v discipline_n in_o those_o church_n and_o that_o child_n when_o grow_v up_o be_v subject_a thereto_o for_o as_o for_o that_o which_o the_o reverend_a author_n suggest_v pag._n 11._o that_o ishmael_n be_v thirteen_o year_n old_a when_o he_o be_v circumcise_v be_v then_o admit_v into_o church-fellowship_n and_o full_a communion_n by_o his_o personal_a covenant_v be_v at_o year_n of_o discretion_n the_o answer_n be_v that_o it_o be_v very_o unusual_a that_o child_n at_o thirteen_o year_n of_o age_n shall_v be_v fit_a for_o full_a communion_n and_o as_o for_o ishmael_n there_o be_v no_o such_o thing_n testify_v of_o he_o in_o the_o scripture_n but_o on_o the_o contrary_a when_o the_o lord_n say_v he_o shall_v be_v a_o wild_a man_n and_o his_o hand_n against_o every_o man_n and_o every_o man_n hand_n against_o he_o gen._n 16._o &_o when_o as_o he_o soon_o after_o become_v such_o a_o mocker_n and_o persecutor_n gen._n 21._o gal._n 4._o as_o that_o for_o it_o he_o be_v cast_v out_o gen._n 21._o it_o be_v therefore_o not_o very_o probable_a that_o he_o at_o thirteen_o year_n of_o age_n have_v so_o much_o goodness_n in_o he_o as_o that_o upon_o the_o profession_n thereof_o he_o shall_v then_o be_v admit_v to_o full_a communion_n it_o seem_v to_o we_o more_o probable_a consider_v the_o thing_n mention_v that_o he_o be_v admit_v as_o a_o child_n in_o minority_n by_o virtue_n of_o the_o covenant_n with_o abraham_n and_o his_o seed_n and_o yet_o when_o grow_v up_o he_o be_v so_o under_o discipline_n as_o to_o be_v cast_v out_o for_o his_o wickedness_n and_o for_o that_o other_o of_o mosaical_a discipline_n the_o reverend_a author_n confess_v p._n 11_o 12._o that_o all_o the_o grow_v member_n of_o the_o church_n of_o israel_n be_v bring_v 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in_o the_o place_n in_o hand_n it_o be_v deny_v for_o if_o the_o covenant_n be_v for_o substance_n the_o same_o now_o as_o it_o be_v then_o and_o that_o therefore_o baptism_n may_v be_v now_o dispense_v to_o infant_n as_o circumcision_n be_v then_o those_o ordinance_n be_v both_o seal_n of_o the_o same_o covenant_n for_o substance_n be_v not_o this_o a_o acknowledgement_n of_o a_o par_fw-fr ratio_fw-la between_o they_o and_o if_o so_o what_o shall_v hinder_v but_o that_o child_n when_o grow_v up_o may_v as_o well_o be_v under_o church-discipline_n now_o as_o under_o the_o old_a testament_n for_o may_v they_o be_v now_o baptise_a in_o their_o infancy_n as_o than_o they_o be_v circumcise_a because_o there_o be_v in_o both_o par_fw-fr ratio_fw-la and_o may_v they_o be_v then_o under_o church-discipline_n and_o yet_o now_o not_o so_o because_o here_o there_o be_v not_o par_fw-fr ratio_fw-la be_v
that_o three_o year_n of_o tything_n then_o ●_o can_v be_v that_o by_o this_o covenant_n they_o be_v bring_v under_o discipline_n for_o they_o be_v adult_n and_o so_o under_o discipline_n afore_o or_o if_o the_o covenant_n here_o mention_v be_v not_o enter_v into_o at_o the_o three_o year_n of_o tything_n then_o why_o may_v it_o not_o be_v of_o all_o the_o people_n joint_o together_o and_o not_o of_o any_o particular_a person_n several_o by_o themselves_o there_o be_v nothing_o in_o the_o text_n contrary_a to_o this_o but_o rather_o for_o it_o in_o that_o the_o covenancer_n here_o speak_v of_o be_v avouch_v that_o day_n to_o be_v the_o lord_n peculiar_a people_n ver_fw-la 18_o 19_o which_o title_n of_o people_n be_v not_o suitable_a to_o any_o particular_a person_n and_o sure_o it_o be_v that_o covenant_n deut_n 29.10_o 11_o etc._n etc._n be_v of_o all_o the_o people_n joint_o together_o for_o it_o be_v a_o covenant_n not_o only_o with_o man_n but_o with_o woman_n yea_o with_o little_a child_n and_o with_o such_o as_o be_v not_o there_o that_o day_n but_o with_o posterity_n that_o shall_v be_v afterward_o bear_v and_o therefore_o this_o be_v not_o only_o a_o covenant_n of_o the_o adult_n to_o bring_v they_o under_o church-discipline_n as_o if_o else_o they_o have_v not_o be_v under_o it_o but_o be_v also_o with_o little_a one_o that_o be_v then_o in_o minority_n it_o may_v suffice_v to_o bring_v they_o under_o discipline_n when_o they_o shall_v be_v grow_v up_o so_o that_o nothing_o do_v yet_o appear_v to_o prove_v that_o ●●ult_n person_n in_o israel_n be_v not_o under_o discipline_n in_o that_o church_n but_o by_o their_o take_n hold_v of_o the_o covenant_n personal_o but_o for_o aught_o that_o do_v yet_o appear_v they_o may_v be_v under_o discipline_n afore_o they_o have_v thus_o do_v therefore_o we_o yet_o see_v not_o any_o such_o disparity_n between_o the_o patriarchall_a and_o mosaical_a church_n former_o and_o the_o congregationall_a church_n under_o the._n new_a testament_n but_o that_o from_o the_o subjection_n of_o child_n when_o adult_n unto_o church-discipline_n in_o the_o former_a may_v be_v just_o infer_v their_o subjection_n thereto_o in_o the_o latter_a so_o much_o for_o defence_n of_o the_o synod_n first_o argument_n to_o prove_v that_o child_n of_o church-member_n when_o adult_n be_v under_o the_o watch_n discipline_n and_o government_n of_o the_o church_n to_o the_o second_o argument_n to_o prove_v child_n when_o adult_a subject_n to_o church-discipline_n viz._n because_o they_o be_v within_o the_o church_n or_o member_n thereof_o and_o therefore_o subject_a to_o church-judicature_n 1_o cor._n 5.12_o the_o answer_n that_o be_v give_v be_v that_o the_o argument_n be_v to_o be_v deny_v and_o the_o text_n allege_v do_v not_o prove_v it_o ans._n the_o word_n of_o the_o text_n be_v express_v and_o plain_a what_o have_v i_o to_o do_v to_o judge_v they_o also_o that_o be_v without_o do_v you_o not_o judge_v they_o that_o be_v within_o but_o they_o that_o be_v without_o god_n judge_v by_o which_o it_o be_v plain_a and_o undeniable_a that_o though_o those_o that_o be_v without_o be_v not_o subject_a to_o church-judicature_n or_o church-discipline_n yet_o for_o those_o that_o be_v within_o it_o be_v otherwise_o and_o therefore_o if_o these_o child_n be_v within_o to_o deny_v they_o to_o be_v subject_a to_o church-judicature_n be_v to_o deny_v the_o word_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n as_o for_o that_o which_o be_v here_o say_v that_o by_o they_o within_o be_v mean_v member_n in_o full_a communion_n such_o as_o be_v in_o full_a membership_n as_o well_o of_o all_o other_o ordinance_n as_o of_o censure_n our_o answer_n be_v that_o this_o shall_v be_v prove_v as_o well_o as_o affirm_v for_o affirmanti_fw-la incumbit_fw-la probatio_fw-la it_o be_v wont_a to_o be_v say_v non_fw-la est_fw-la distinguendum_fw-la ubi_fw-la lex_fw-la non_fw-la distinguit_fw-la distinction_n shall_v be_v warrant_v by_o the_o word_n therefore_o when_o the_o word_n say_v such_o as_o be_v within_o be_v subject_a to_o church-judicature_n to_o restrain_v this_o be_v within_o to_o those_o that_o be_v in_o full_a communion_n in_o all_o ordinance_n and_o to_o exempt_v many_o other_o though_o adult_n person_n and_o within_o the_o church_n only_o because_o they_o be_v not_o so_o with●n_o as_o to_o be_v in_o full_a communion_n we_o say_v to_o exempt_v they_o upon_o this_o ground_n from_o church-judicature_n be_v more_o than_o we_o see_v any_o sufficient_a proof_n for_o as_o for_o the_o reason_n here_o render_v that_o excommunication_n be_v a_o cast_v out_o from_o communion_n and_o therefore_o how_o can_v any_o be_v formal_o excommunicate_v who_o be_v never_o in_o communion_n and_o so_o within_o the_o church_n the_o answer_n be_v that_o the_o synod_n do_v not_o here_o express_o speak_v of_o excommunication_n and_o that_o the_o child_n be_v subject_a to_o that_o ordinance_n but_o only_o say_v they_o be_v under_o the_o watch_n discipline_n and_o government_n of_o the_o church_n and_o therefore_o there_o be_v no_o need_n here_o to_o answer_v that_o they_o can_v be_v excommunicate_v for_o if_o that_o be_v so_o which_o we_o be_v far_o from_o grant_v yet_o what_o the_o synod_n here_o say_v may_v be_v true_a f●r_n all_o this_o and_o though_o ●t_a be_v true_a that_o such_o as_o be_v never_o in_o church-communion_n at_o all_o can_v proper_o be_v excommunicate_v yet_o the_o reverend_a author_n we_o suppose_v do_v not_o nor_o will_v deny_v but_o that_o many_o who_o have_v never_o yet_o be_v partaker_n of_o all_o ordinance_n or_o of_o the_o lord●_n supper_n as_o child_n in_o minority_n yet_o may_v be_v count_v church-members_a and_o so_o have_v much_o church-communion_n and_o enjoy_v much_o benefit_n thereby_o as_o the_o covenant_n and_o baptism_n the_o seal_n thereof_o the_o prayer_n and_o blessing_n of_o the_o church_n church-watchfulness_n to_o excite_v they_o and_o encourage_v they_o to_o and_o in_o good_a and_o to_o reclaim_v they_o from_o evil_a such_o church-communion_n as_o this_o they_o may_v be_v partaker_n of_o who_o y●●_n have_v not_o be_v admit_v to_o full_a communion_n and_o therefore_o what_o impossibility_n be_v there_o in_o it_o but_o that_o man_n may_v be_v excommunicate_v viz._n from_o such_o communion_n as_o they_o have_v though_o they_o never_o have_v such_o full_a communion_n as_o other_o if_o a_o parent_n in_o full_a communion_n be_v just_o for_o some_o delinquency_n excommunicate_v we_o suppose_v the_o reverend_a author_n 4._o will_v say_v that_o his_o child_n in_o minority_n be_v cut_v off_o from_o their_o membership_n with_o he_o and_o so_o be_v excommunicate_v with_o the_o pa●ent_n and_o if_o so_o then_o there_o may_v be_v excommunication_n where_o there_o never_o be_v the_o enjoyment_n of_o full_a communion_n and_o so_o for_o all_o that_o be_v here_o say_v that_o ●_z not_o in_o full_a communion_n can_v be_v excommunicate_v yet_o what_o the_o synod_n say_v may_v be_v true_a that_o person_n not_o in_o full_a communion_n may_v be_v under_o the_o watch_n and_o discipline_n and_o government_n of_o the_o church_n and_o how_o much_o more_o if_o even_o such_o person_n may_v be_v cut_v off_o from_o their_o church-membership_a and_o so_o from_o what_o church-communion_n they_o have_v to_o the_o three_o argument_n to_o prove_v child_n of_o church-member_n when_o adult_n to_o be_v under_o the_o watch_n discipline_n and_o government_n of_o the_o church_n viz._n because_o they_o be_v disciple_n and_o therefore_o under_o discipline_n in_o christ_n school_n the_o reverend_a author_n answer_n have_v in_o it_o a_o concession_n and_o a_o exception_n the_o concession_n be_v that_o all_o church-member_n be_v disciple_n infant_n foeder●lly_o etc._n etc._n and_o therefore_o both_o be_v under_o the_o discipline_n of_o the_o church_n suitable_o to_o their_o membership_n now_o if_o all_o church-member_n be_v disciple_n and_o therefore_o under_o discipline_n and_o even_a infant_n so_o in_o their_o way_n it_o be_v strange_a that_o these_o that_o their_o infancy_n be_v now_o become_v adult_n shall_v now_o be_v n●_n disciple_n nor_o church-member_n and_o so_o not_o under_o church-discipline_n which_o before_o they_o be_v under_o when_o as_o they_o have_v neither_o be_v cut_v off_o from_o their_o membership_n and_o discipleship_n nor_o deserve_v any_o such_o matter_n one_o will_v think_v it_o be_v more_o rational_a to_o say_v that_o as_o they_o be_v in_o church-relation_n when_o infant_n so_o they_o continue_v therein_o though_o adult_n except_o in_o some_o way_n of_o god_n they_o be_v cut_v off_o therefrom_o and_o do_v so_o deserve_v but_o though_o the_o reverend_a author_n yield_v as_o be_v say_v yet_o he_o put_v in_o this_o exception_n that_o he_o find_v not_o any_o where_o in_o scripture_n that_o such_o adult_n person_n be_v style_v disciple_n or_o account_v member_n ans._n suppose_v such_o term_n or_o title_n be_v not_o find_v apply_v to_o the_o
in_o they_o not_o be_v the_o same_o but_o distinct_a for_o in_o the_o one_o the_o argument_n be_v from_o their_o be_v disciple_n or_o scholar_n and_o therefore_o under_o discipline_n in_o christ_n school_n but_o this_o here_o be_v from_o their_o be_v baptise_a and_o that_o therefore_o they_o be_v in_o a_o state_n of_o subjection_n to_o the_o authoritative_a teach_n of_o christ_n minister_n and_o to_o the_o observation_n of_o all_o his_o commandment_n and_o that_o therefore_o they_o be_v in_o a_o state_n of_o subjection_n to_o discipline_n for_o thus_o the_o argument_n stand_v they_o that_o be_v baptise_a be_v thereby_o leave_v in_o a_o state_n of_o subject_n on_o to_o the_o authoritative_a teach_n of_o christ_n minister_n and_o to_o the_o observation_n of_o all_o his_o commandment_n and_o therefore_o in_o a_o state_n of_o subjection_n to_o discipline_n but_o the_o adult_a person_n speak_v of_o be_v person_n baptise_a therefore_o etc._n etc._n the_o proposition_n be_v ground_v on_o the_o text_n mat._n 28.19_o 20._o where_o christ_n minister_n be_v require_v to_o baptise_v and_o to_o teach_v the_o baptise_a to_o observe_v all_o his_o commandment_n the_o assumption_n be_v plain_a of_o itself_o to_o the_o seven_o argument_n viz._n that_o elder_n must_v seed_v i._n e._n both_o teach_v and_o rule_v all_o the_o flock_n and_o that_o child_n be_v part_n of_o the_o flock_n the_o reverend_a author_n answer_v that_o this_o concern_v not_o such_o grow_a person_n as_o be_v not_o in_o full_a communion_n for_o without_o this_o they_o be_v not_o to_o be_v account_v of_o the_o flock_n or_o church_n ans._n if_o this_o that_o be_v here_o say_v be_v sufficient_o and_o clear_o prove_v it_o will_v be_v very_o acceptable_a to_o many_o elder_n in_o this_o country_n as_o clear_v they_o from_o a_o great_a part_n of_o the_o burden_n which_o they_o suppose_v themselves_o to_o be_v under_o and_o when_o the_o holy-ghost_n say_v that_o they_o must_v take_v heed_n to_o themselves_o and_o to_o all_o the_o flock_n act._n 20_o 28._o and_o that_o they_o must_v watch_v for_o their_o soul_n as_o they_o that_o must_v give_v account_n heb._n 13.17_o to_o say_v that_o these_o soul_n and_o this_o flock_n be_v only_o such_o as_o be_v in_o full_a communion_n and_o infant_n or_o child_n in_o minority_n and_o that_o these_o last_o mention_v who_o then_o be_v of_o the_o flock_n do_v now_o cease_v to_o be_v of_o it_o when_o they_o become_v ●aul_v and_o that_o now_o the_o elder_n be_v not_o charge_v to_o watch_v over_o they_o any_o long_o nor_o to_o give_v account_n of_o their_o soul_n we_o fear_v this_o will_v be_v a_o undue_a straighten_n and_o limit_v of_o the_o text_n allege_v and_o will_v be_v no_o good_a plea_n before_o the_o lord_n and_o therefore_o without_o b●t●er_a proof_n we_o dare_v not_o assent_v unto_o it_o for_o what_o the_o synod_n allege_v that_o the_o apostle_n write_v to_o the_o f●ock_n or_o church_n at_o ephesus_n do_v also_o write_v to_o child_n eph._n 6.1_o as_o count_v they_o part_n of_o the_o flock_n we_o do_v not_o see_v that_o this_o be_v sufficient_o take_v off_o by_o what_o the_o reverend_a author_n answer_v viz._n that_o those_o child_n be_v either_o child_n in_o their_o minority_n or_o if_o adult_n they_o be_v personal_o join_v to_o the_o church_n and_o so_o in_o full_a communion_n for_o let_v the_o word_n and_o scope_n of_o the_o text_n be_v consider_v and_o we_o conceive_v it_o will_v appear_v that_o this_o exposition_n of_o the_o place_n be_v too_o narrow_a for_o the_o child_n there_o speak_v of_o be_v such_o as_o be_v bind_v to_o obey_v their_o parent_n in_o the_o lord_n this_o be_v right_o and_o such_o as_o be_v under_o the_o five_o commandment_n the_o word_n whereof_o the_o apostle_n do_v there_o allege_v honour_v thy_o father_n and_o mother_n etc._n etc._n now_o how_o shall_v it_o appear_v that_o though_o child_n in_o minority_n and_o child_n when_o admit_v into_o full_a communion_n in_o the_o church_n be_v bind_v to_o obey_v their_o parent_n and_o to_o honour_n father_n and_o mother_n yet_o other_o child_n be_v not_o so_o bind_v be_v there_o any_o ground_n for_o it_o that_o child_n now_o adult_n if_o not_o in_o full_a communion_n in_o the_o church_n be_v exempt_v from_o this_o commandment_n of_o obedience_n to_o their_o parent_n and_o of_o honour_v of_o they_o we_o conceive_v there_o be_v none_o and_o if_o there_o be_v not_o than_o the_o child_n there_o speak_v of_o be_v child_n adult_v as_o well_o as_o other_o whether_o in_o full_a communion_n or_o not_o and_o if_o so_o than_o these_o child_n as_o well_o as_o other_o be_v part_n of_o the_o flock_n and_o church_n of_o ephesus_n to_o who_o that_o epistle_n be_v write_v and_o then_o the_o whole_a flock_n be_v under_o the_o charge_n of_o elder_n to_o feed_v they_o i._n e._n both_o to_o teach_v and_o k●l●_n they_o it_o appear_v thereby_o that_o what_o the_o synod_n here_o say_v that_o these_o child_n be_v under_o the_o watch_n and_o discipline_n and_o 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not_o speak_v ad_fw-la idem_fw-la whether_o the_o parent_n of_o the_o child_n here_o speak_v of_o be_v due_o qualify_v for_o covenant_n and_o unto_o membership_n be_v not_o the_o thing_n here_o in_o question_n nor_o speak_v of_o by_o the_o synod_n but_o here_o be_v the_o thing_n they_o affirm_v that_o interest_n in_o the_o covenant_n give_v title_n to_o baptism_n beside_o suppose_v the_o qualification_n here_o mention_v by_o the_o reverend_a author_n of_o be_v s●ints_v sanctify_a and_o faithful_a in_o christ_n jesus_n and_o the_o rest_n suppose_v these_o be_v requisite_a in_o man_n that_o be_v to_o be_v admit_v to_o covenant_n and_o membership_n yet_o this_o concern_v not_o the_o parent_n of_o the_o child_n here_o speak_v of_o because_o they_o be_v not_o now_o to_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o covenant_n and_o church_n membership_n but_o be_v therein_o already_o and_o have_v be_v long_o afore_o now_o even_o from_o their_o minority_n o●_n birth_n and_o therefore_o this_o also_o be_v 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in_o the_o covenant_n be_v the_o ground_n of_o title_n to_o baptism_n and_o indeed_o the_o synod_n give_v five_o argument_n for_o clear_v of_o that_o first_o proposition_n which_o the_o reverend_a author_n do_v not_o there_o meddle_v withal_o much_o less_o remove_v and_o therefore_o they_o still_o stand_v in_o force_n only_o it_o may_v be_v observe_v that_o whereas_o here_o he_o seem_v to_o consent_v to_o the_o proposition_n if_o that_o term_n according_a to_o scripture_n be_v add_v yet_o when_o he_o speak_v to_o that_o first_o proposition_n he_o consent_v not_o thereto_o unless_o this_o term_n according_a to_o scripture_n might_n be_v change_v into_o this_o according_a to_o christ_n ordinance_n otherwise_o he_o can_v not_o then_o concur_v with_o that_o proposition_n and_o this_o term_n in_o it_o though_o now_o it_o seem_v he_o do_v but_o whether_o it_o be_v express_v the_o one_o way_n or_o
the_o jew_n of_o old_a be_v under_o legal_a dispensation_n etc._n etc._n ans._n suppose_v that_o christian_a church_n be_v in_o a_o more_o spiritual_a and_o gracious_a frame_n than_o be_v the_o jew_n under_o the_o legal_a dispensation_n yet_o if_o then_o such_o parent_n as_o the_o proposition_n describe_v may_v have_v the_o initiatory_a seal_n apply_v to_o their_o infant_n and_o now_o may_v not_o how_o can_v it_o be_v deny_v but_o that_o now_o the_o christian_a church_n be_v in_o a_o worse_a case_n relate_v to_o their_o child_n successive_o than_o the_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n be_v for_o then_o such_o parent_n may_v have_v their_o child_n circumcise_v but_o now_o they_o may_v not_o have_v they_o baptize_v if_o this_o proposition_n be_v deny_v and_o though_o the_o grace_n of_o christ_n may_v be_v now_o enlarge_v in_o other_o respect_n yet_o in_o respect_n of_o child_n it_o be_v not_o enlarge_v but_o str●●t●ed_v by_o deny_v this_o proposition_n except_o we_o shall_v say_v that_o for_o parent_n to_o have_v the_o seal_n of_o the_o covenant_n apply_v to_o they_o and_o their_o child_n be_v no_o testimony_n of_o gospel-grace_n at_o all_o which_o can_v be_v say_v true_o and_o therefore_o the_o synod_n argument_n in_o this_o particular_a stand_v good_a 2._o say_v the_o reverend_a author_n it_o declare_v that_o the_o state_n of_o the_o jew_n when_o they_o shall_v be_v call_v will_v be_v far_o better_a than_o it_o be_v under_o legal_a dispensation_n for_o under_o the_o law_n their_o light_n and_o holiness_n be_v defective_a but_o when_o they_o shall_v be_v call_v they_o shall_v have_v a_o far_o great_a measure_n of_o light_n and_o holiness_n than_o be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o former_a age_n ans._n suppose_v this_o be_v grant_v the_o question_n be_v not_o about_o their_o holiness_n and_o 〈◊〉_d but_o about_o their_o child_n of_o who_o it_o be_v evident_a that_o if_o the_o parent_n be_v qualify_v as_o this_o proposition_n express_v those_o child_n may_v then_o be_v circumcise_v and_o the_o text_n allege_v viz._n 〈◊〉_d 30.20_o ezek._n 37_o 25_o 26._o do_v show_n that_o when_o they_o shall_v be_v call_v their_o child_n shall_v be_v in_o as_o good_a estate_n as_o former_o but_o how_o can_v this_o be_v if_o the_o parent_n may_v be_v qualify_v as_o be_v express_v and_o yet_o may_v not_o have_v their_o child_n baptize_v be_v not_o this_o a_o render_n of_o they_o in_o respect_n of_o their_o child_n in_o a_o worse_a condition_n then_o former_o for_o the_o three_o particular_a the_o reverend_a author_n answer_v that_o the_o dent●ll_n of_o the_o proposition_n do_v not_o deny_v in_o sum_n what_o the_o synod_n say_v it_o do_v but_o the_o contrary_n ans._n in_o what_o the_o synod_n here_o say_v there_o be_v three_o particular_n contain_v or_o include_v 1._o that_o the_o mosaical_a dispensation_n and_o first_o institution_n of_o the_o initiatory_a seal_n do_v appoint_v that_o seal_n to_o be_v apply_v to_o such_o as_o stand_v regular_o in_o the_o church_n and_o covenant_n 2._o that_o the_o child_n in_o question_n d●_n regular_o stand_v in_o the_o church_n and_o covenant_n 3._o that_o the_o denial_n of_o the_o proposition_n do_v deny_v the_o application_n of_o the_o sea●_n to_o such_o as_o the_o mosaical_a dispensation_n appoint_v it_o to_o be_v apply_v unto_o of_o these_o particular_n the_o first_o can_v be_v deny_v for_o it_o be_v undeniable_o prove_v by_o the_o text_n allege_v viz._n gen._n 17.9_o 10._o joh_n 7.22_o 23._o and_o the_o three_o particular_a be_v plain_a of_o itself_o all_o the_o doubt_n therefore_o must_v be_v about_o the_o second_o viz._n whether_o the_o child_n in_o question_n do_v regular_o stand_v in_o the_o church_n and_o covenant_n but_o for_o this_o the_o synod_n have_v give_v divers_a proof_n in_o their_o first_o and_o second_o argument_n which_o proof_n we_o do_v not_o see_v take_v off_o by_o what_o the_o reverend_a author_n have_v say_v thereto_o the_o four_o particular_a be_v answer_v by_o a_o plain_a denial_n of_o what_o there_o the_o synod_n affirm_v viz._n that_o to_o deny_v the_o proposition_n do_v not_o break_v god_n covenant_n by_o deny_v the_o initiatory_a seal_n to_o those_o that_o be_v in_o covenant_n ans._n yet_o nothing_o can_v be_v more_o plain_a then_o that_o deny_v circumcision_n to_o they_o that_o be_v in_o the_o covenant_n be_v a_o break_n of_o god_n covenant_n for_o it_o be_v express_o so_o call_v gen._n 17.9_o 10_o 14._o if_o therefore_o the_o child_n speak_v of_o be_v in_o the_o covenant_n how_o can_v the_o denial_n of_o baptism_n to_o they_o be_v any_o other_o than_o be_v say_v and_o that_o they_o be_v in_o the_o covenant_n the_o synod_n give_v sundry_a proof_n in_o their_o first_o and_o second_o argument_n so_o much_o for_o defence_n of_o the_o three_o argument_n the_o four_o argument_n of_o the_o synod_n for_o confirm_v this_o five_o proposition_n be_v this_o confederate_a visible_a believer_n though_o but_o in_o the_o low_a degree_n such_o be_v to_o have_v their_o child_n baptize_v but_o the_o parent_n in_o question_n be_v such_o at_o least_o in_o some_o degree_n for_o 1._o charity_n may_v observe_v in_o they_o sundry_a positive_a argument_n for_o it_o witness_v the_o term_n of_o the_o proposition_n and_o nothing_o evident_a against_o it_o to_o this_o the_o reverend_a author_n answer_v by_o deny_v the_o minor_a in_o the_o argument_n and_o affirm_v the_o contrary_a to_o the_o first_o reason_n here_o mention_v viz._n that_o all_o that_o be_v say_v in_o the_o proposition_n be_v no_o sufficient_a ground_n for_o charity_n to_o account_v these_o parent_n to_o be_v believer_n in_o the_o least_o degree_n ans._n but_o if_o there_o be_v sundry_a positive_a argument_n for_o charity_n thus_o to_o judge_v of_o they_o and_o nothing_o evident_a to_o the_o contrary_a as_o the_o synod_n argue_v why_o then_o shall_v we_o judge_v otherwise_o of_o they_o when_o such_o church-member_n as_o be_v admit_v in_o their_o minority_n do_v understand_v the_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n and_o public_o assent_v thereto_o be_v not_o scandalous_a in_o life_n but_o do_v solemn_o own_v the_o covenant_n wherein_o they_o give_v up_o themselves_o to_o the_o lord_n etc._n etc._n be_v all_o this_o nothing_o for_o charity_n to_o go_v upon_o in_o account_v they_o believer_n no_o not_o in_o the_o least_o degree_n we_o conceive_v charity_n want_v sufficient_a ground_n to_o judge_v otherwise_o see_v more_o in_o defence_n of_o the_o first_o argument_n but_o say_v the_o reverend_a author_n let_v they_o show_v how_o faith_n be_v work_v and_o how_o it_o work●_n in_o they_o and_o then_o the_o church_n will_v have_v ground_n for_o their_o charitable_a judgement_n concern_v their_o fitness_n etc._n etc._n ans._n what_o proof_n be_v there_o that_o except_o this_o be_v do_v there_o can_v be_v no_o ground_n for_o the_o charitable_a judgement_n that_o be_v mention_v sure_o it_o be_v there_o be_v no_o mention_n that_o such_o a_o thing_n be_v perform_v by_o the_o eunuch_n nor_o require_v of_o he_o by_o philip_n act_v 8._o and_o yet_o he_o be_v baptize_v upon_o profession_n of_o his_o faith_n in_o christ_n though_o there_o be_v no_o mention_n that_o to_o show_v how_o his_o faith_n be_v wrought_v in_o he_o be_v either_o do_v by_o he_o or_o require_v of_o he_o and_o therefore_o we_o see_v no_o reason_n to_o the_o contrary_a but_o that_o when_o that_o be_v do_v which_o be_v mention_v in_o the_o proposition_n there_o may_v be_v ground_n for_o charity_n to_o account_v they_o believer_n though_o they_o come_v not_o up_o to_o what_o the_o reverend_a author_n require_v of_o declare_v how_o their_o faith_n be_v wrought_v in_o they_o 2._o the_o synod_n say_v the_o child_n of_o the_o godly_a though_o qualify_v but_o as_o the_o person_n in_o the_o proposition_n be_v say_v to_o be_v faithful_a tit._n 1.6_o the_o reverend_a author_n answer_v nor_o be_v the_o child_n of_o the_o godly_a qualify_v but_o as_o in_o the_o proposition_n say_v to_o be_v faithful_a in_o tit._n 1._o so_o his_o 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synod_n for_o confirm_v this_o five_o proposition_n be_v this_o that_o the_o denial_n of_o baptism_n to_o the_o child_n in_o question_n have_v a_o dangerous_a tendency_n in_o it_o to_o irreligion_n and_o apostasy_n because_o to_o deny_v they_o to_o have_v any_o part_n in_o the_o lord_n be_v the_o way_n to_o cause_v they_o to_o cease_v from_o fear_v the_o lord_n witness_v josh._n 22.24_o 25_o 27._o but_o to_o deny_v they_o and_o so_o their_o child_n successive_o to_o be_v in_o the_o church_n or_o member_n of_o i●_n and_o so_o to_o have_v right_a to_o baptism_n be_v to_o deny_v they_o to_o have_v any_o part_n in_o the_o lord_n and_o therefore_o it_o tend_v to_o cause_v a_o cease_n from_o fear_v the_o lord_n and_o so_o tend_v to_o irreligion_n and_o apostasy_n now_o what_o say_v the_o reverend_a author_n to_o this_o in_o his_o reply_n that_o which_o he_o say_v be_v 1._o the_o child_n in_o question_n be_v child_n of_o parent_n who_o be_v not_o in_o full_a communion_n with_o the_o church_n if_o such_o be_v deny_v to_o have_v any_o part_n in_o the_o lord_n it_o be_v the_o degenerate_a parent_n fault_n and_o not_o the_o church_n 2._o the_o child_n in_o question_n be_v not_o child_n of_o the_o church_n for_o the_o parent_n have_v cut_v off_o the_o entail_n of_o the_o covenant_n from_o themselves_o and_o their_o seed_n by_o not_o confederate_v for_o themselves_o and_o they_o regular_o ans._n 1._o here_o then_o be_v a_o acknowledgement_n that_o the_o child_n in_o question_n when_o baptism_n and_o church-membership_a be_v deny_v they_o ●re_n thereby_o acknowledge_v to_o have_v no_o part_n in_o the_o lord_n and_o so_o to_o be_v 〈◊〉_d a_o way_n of_o cease_v from_o fear_v the_o lord_n and_o be_v not_o this_o the_o very_a ●●ing_n affirm_v by_o the_o synod_n 2._o whereas_o the_o reverend_a author_n say_v that_o these_o child_n be_v now_o in_o such_o a_o state_n through_o the_o fault_n of_o the_o degenerate_a parent_n who_o do_v not_o regular_o enter_v into_o f●ll_a communion_n it_o have_v be_v show_v before_o that_o these_o parent_n though_o not_o yet_o in_o fall_n communion_n 〈…〉_z in_o ●ny_a b●rr●_n 〈◊〉_d the_o 〈…〉_z baptism_n of_o their_o child_n and_o indeed_o when_o the_o parent_n be_v such_o as_o the_o proposition_n describe_v viz._n not_o 〈…〉_z but_o understanding_n and_o 〈◊〉_d to_o the_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n and_o solemn_o own_v the_o covenant_n and_o therein_o give_v up_o themselves_o and_o h●●r_a child_n to_o the_o lord_n etc._n etc._n how_o for_o all_o this_o these_o parent_n shall_v be_v the_o cause_n that_o their_o child_n have_v n●_n part_n in_o the_o lord_n but_o do_v ce●s●_n from_o f●aring_v he_o how_o this_o can_v be_v we_o confess_v we_o do_v not_o understand_v can_v parent_n by_o give_v up_o themselves_o and_o their_o child_n to_o the_o lord_n be_v notwithstanding_o the_o cause_n that_o their_o child_n have_v no_o part_n in_o the_o lord_n though_o they_o be_v parent_n that_o 〈◊〉_d and_o be_v qualif●●●_n for_o it_o as_o in_o the_o 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progress_n of_o the_o covenant_n establish_v the_o church_n deut._n 29.13_o jer._n 30.20_o and_o that_o therefore_o the_o contrary_n do_v disestablish_v it_o the_o reverend_a author_n answer_v that_o the_o argument_n be_v to_o be_v deny_v for_o it_o will_v not_o follow_v that_o if_o god_n do_v establish_v the_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n by_o such_o a_o successive_a progress_n of_o the_o covenant_n deut._n 29.13_o therefore_o he_o do_v so_o now_o pag._n 33._o a._n why_o do_v it_o not_o follow_v that_o if_o god_n do_v establish_v the_o church_n of_o the_o jew_n by_o a_o progress_n of_o the_o covenant_n that_o therefore_o he_o do_v so_o now_o be_v not_o that_o true_a which_o the_o reverend_a author_n confess_v to_o be_v true_a that_o the_o frame_n of_o the_o covenant_n run_v to_o we_o and_o our_o seed_n after_o we_o in_o their_o generation_n and_o be_v not_o that_o true_a also_o which_o the_o synod_n here_o say_v though_o the_o reverend_a author_n say_v nothing_o to_o it_o that_o god_n 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