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A62870 Præcursor, or, A forerunner to a large review of the dispute concerning infant-baptism wherein many things both doctrinall and personal are cleared, about which Mr. Richard Baxter, in a book mock-titled Plain Scripture-proof of infants church-membership and baptism hath darkned the truth / by John Tomes. Tombes, John, 1603?-1676. 1652 (1652) Wing T1812; ESTC R27540 101,567 110

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opinion_n about_o the_o holiness_n there_o mean_v and_o say_v omnes_fw-la complecti_fw-la conabor_fw-la &_o examinare_fw-la sententias_fw-la sure_o i_o be_o augustin_n tom_fw-mi 7._o l._n 2._o de_fw-la pecc_fw-la mer._n &_o remis_fw-la c._n 26._o say_v ac_fw-la per_fw-la hoc_fw-la &_o illa_fw-la sanctificatio_fw-la cujuscunque_fw-la modi_fw-la sit_fw-la quam_fw-la in_o filiis_fw-la fedelium_fw-la esse_fw-la dixit_fw-la apostolus_fw-la ad_fw-la istam_fw-la de_fw-la baptismo_fw-la &_o de_fw-la peccati_fw-la origine_fw-la vel_fw-la remissione_n omnino_fw-la non_fw-la pertinet_fw-la nam_fw-la &_o conjuges_fw-la infideles_fw-la in_o conjugibus_fw-la fidelibus_fw-la sanctificari_fw-la dicit_fw-la eo_fw-la ipso_fw-la lo●o_fw-la etc._n etc._n unto_o which_o i_o think_v good_a to_o add_v that_o whereas_o mr._n m._n in_o his_o defence_n page_n 10._o 58._o bring_v in_o the_o pelagian_n acknowledge_v that_o infant_n be_v baptize_v secundum_fw-la sententiam_fw-la evangelii_n which_o he_o imagine_v to_o be_v the_o gospel-ground_n as_o he_o call_v it_o of_o federal_a holiness_n from_o the_o covenant_n to_o the_o believer_n and_o his_o seed_n in_o aug._n tom_n 7._o l._n 2._o contra_fw-la pelag._n &_o coelest_n c._n 5._o that_o he_o hadad_v the_o next_o word_n quia_fw-la dominus_fw-la statuit_fw-la regnum_fw-la coelorum_fw-la non_fw-la nisi_fw-la baptizatis_fw-la posse_fw-la conferri_fw-la it_o will_v have_v appear_v that_o the_o gospel_n he_o mean_v be_v john_n 3._o 5._o which_o with_o rom._n 5._o 12._o be_v elleadge_v in_o those_o day_n as_o a_o reason_n of_o the_o church_n tradition_n of_o infant-baptisme_n and_o no_o other_o reason_n can_v i_o find_v for_o infant-baptisme_n nor_o in_o any_o the_o exposition_n of_o 1_o cor._n 7._o 14._o in_o mr._n ms._n or_o mr._n bs._n sense_n till_o zwinglius_fw-la his_o day_n the_o eighteen_o absurdity_n be_v that_o i_o say_v the_o word_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v take_v many_o hundred_o time_n for_o authority_n and_o ask_v be_v that_o true_a to_o which_o i_o answer_v this_o be_v speak_v in_o the_o dispute_n when_o i_o have_v not_o time_n or_o mean_n to_o collect_v the_o number_n of_o time_n wherein_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v use_v for_o authority_n in_o scripture_n and_o therefore_o speak_v at_o adventure_n and_o if_o i_o do_v hyperbolize_v it_o may_v be_v neither_o absurdity_n nor_o untruth_n so_o to_o speak_v as_o be_v frequent_a in_o speaker_n &_o writer_n without_o imputation_n of_o falsehood_n nevertheless_o i_o find_v it_o use_v above_o a_o hundred_o time_n in_o the_o new_a testament_n in_o matthew_n 10._o and_o 6._o of_o they_o it_o be_v translate_v authority_n and_o in_o most_o place_n where_o it_o be_v translate_v power_n it_o may_v be_v translate_v authority_n and_o if_o it_o be_v use_v for_o liberty_n in_o any_o of_o these_o place_n yet_o it_o be_v no_o where_o use_v for_o a_o veil_n but_o one_o 1._o cor._n 11._o 10._o and_o i_o doubt_v not_o but_o it_o be_v use_v for_o authority_n or_o power_n or_o liberty_n many_o hundred_o of_o time_n in_o the_o lxx_o greek_a of_o the_o old_a