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A42726 An answer to the Bishop of Condom (now of Meaux) his Exposition of the Catholick faith, &c. wherein the doctrine of the Church of Rome is detected, and that of the Church of England expressed from the publick acts of both churches : to which are added reflections on his pastoral letter. Gilbert, John, b. 1658 or 9. 1686 (1686) Wing G708; ESTC R537 120,993 143

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