Selected quad for the lemma: ground_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
ground_n	church_n	hold_v	scripture_n	1,671	5	6.1862	4	false

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A92774	The diatribē proved to be paradiatribē. Or, A vindication of the judgement of the reformed churches, and Protestant divines, from misrepresentations concerning ordination, and laying on of hands. Together with a brief answer to the pretences of Edmond Chillenden, for the lawfulnesse of preaching without ordination. / By Lazarus Seaman.	Seaman, Lazarus, d. 1675.; Simpson, Sidrach, 1600?-1655.	1647 (1647)	Wing S2174; Thomason E413_9; ESTC R203508	93,768	122

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presbytery_n to_o lay_v hand_n on_o he_o viz._n it_o be_v prophesy_v that_o timothy_n shall_v be_v a_o excellent_a minister_n as_o cartwright_n upon_o the_o place_n interpret_v it_o that_o phrase_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o the_o other_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d do_v both_o of_o they_o equal_o imply_v a_o instrumental_a efficiency_n in_o paul_n and_o in_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o presbytery_n that_o the_o preposition_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o with_o a_o genitive_a case_n do_v usual_o signify_v a_o instrumental_a work_n yet_o not_o in_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v among_o cartwright_n annotation_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d with_o be_v sometime_o put_v for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d by_o as_o act._n 13._o 17._o chap._n 14._o 27._o &_o 15._o 4._o in_o the_o 12._o v._o of_o that_o chap._n then_o all_o the_o multitude_n keep_v silence_n and_o give_v audience_n to_o barnabas_n and_o paul_n declare_v loca_fw-la see_v beza_n in_o loca_fw-la what_o miracle_n and_o wonder_n god_n have_v wrought_v among_o the_o gentile_n by_o they_o in_o the_o greek_a it_o be_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o this_o latter_a place_n but_o in_o all_o the_o rest_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o yet_o the_o like_a thing_n viz._n what_o god_n do_v by_o they_o as_o by_o instrument_n be_v intend_v in_o they_o all_o the_o reason_n why_o the_o apostle_n use_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o not_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d in_o 1_o tim._n 4._o 14._o may_v be_v because_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d go_v immediate_o before_o in_o the_o same_o verse_n in_o that_o phrase_n 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d where_o it_o have_v another_o sense_n than_o the_o next_o word_n will_v bear_v if_o it_o have_v be_v use_v there_o also_o how_o fit_v it_o will_v have_v be_v for_o the_o word_n to_o have_v run_v thus_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n by_o prophecy_n by_o lay_v on_o of_o hound_n let_v the_o learned_a judge_n 5._o if_o the_o efficiency_n be_v in_o paul_n singular_o and_o in_o the_o presbytery_n by_o a_o bare_a concurrence_n as_o you_o say_v it_o seem_v there_o use_v of_o it_o then_o make_v nothing_o at_o all_o for_o our_o use_n of_o it_o now_o unless_o we_o have_v such_o concurrence_n and_o then_o lay_v on_o of_o hand_n in_o these_o time_n be_v not_o only_o non-essentiall_a but_o unlawful_a we_o must_v wait_v with_o the_o seeker_n for_o some_o new_a apostle_n to_o revive_v this_o way_n of_o ordain_v and_o the_o practice_n of_o those_o who_o be_v themselves_o out_o of_o office_n be_v depute_v to_o lay_v on_o hand_n be_v most_o presumptuous_a because_o there_o be_v no_o instance_n so_o much_o as_o of_o their_o concurrence_n and_o much_o less_o of_o their_o act_n alone_o in_o this_o kind_n 6._o those_o word_n as_o our_o brethren_n of_o scotland_n express_v it_o seem_v to_o relate_v unto_o the_o former_a passage_n and_o then_o they_o be_v injurious_a because_o you_o go_v about_o to_o put_v a_o sense_n upon_o they_o which_o i_o think_v you_o know_v they_o will_v not_o own_o that_o the_o presbytery_n ordain_v only_o by_o a_o bare_a concurrence_n and_o not_o as_o causa_fw-la socia_fw-la a_o joint_a cause_n in_o way_n of_o efficiency_n i_o shall_v now_o consider_v their_o word_n as_o you_o allege_v they_o paul_n hand_n be_v the_o mean_a the_o lay_v on_o of_o their_o hand_n the_o rite_n and_o sign_n of_o his_o ordination_n and_o therefore_o they_o add_v as_o you_o say_v it_o be_v not_o to_o be_v use_v with_o opinion_n of_o necessity_n ordination_n may_v be_v do_v by_o word_n alone_o without_o ceremony_n and_o again_o if_o the_o use_n of_o imposition_n of_o hand_n in_o ordination_n be_v account_v and_o use_v as_o a_o sacred_a rite_n and_o as_o have_v a_o sacred_a signification_n the_o use_n of_o it_o not_o be_v necessary_a it_o become_v unlawful_a by_o reason_n of_o the_o by_o go_v and_o present_a superstitious_a use_n of_o the_o same_o in_o popery_n ans_fw-fr 1._o all_o this_o you_o heap_v together_o by_o substraction_n as_o you_o please_v and_o though_o it_o be_v true_a the_o first_o word_n paul_n hand_n be_v the_o mean_a be_v to_o be_v find_v in_o the_o place_n intend_v yet_o your_o conscience_n will_v tell_v you_o that_o the_o author_n use_v they_o to_o one_o end_n and_o you_o unto_o the_o contrary_n take_v they_o full_o and_o let_v a_o three_o be_v judge_n between_o we_o thus_o he_o because_o imposition_n of_o hand_n be_v use_v in_o ordination_n not_o only_o by_o the_o apostle_n who_o have_v power_n to_o give_v extraordinary_o the_o gift_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n but_o likewise_o by_o the_o presbytery_n or_o company_n of_o elder_n and_o timothy_n do_v not_o only_o receive_v 14._o 2_o tim._n 1._o 6._o 1_o tim_n 4_o 14._o that_o gift_n which_o be_v in_o he_o by_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o paul_n hand_n as_o the_o mean_a but_o with_o the_o lay_n on_o of_o the_o hand_n of_o the_o presbytery_n as_o the_o rite_n and_o sign_n of_o his_o ordination_n therefore_o the_o church_n in_o after-age_n have_v still_o keep_v and_o use_v the_o same_o rite_n in_o ordination_n which_o rite_n shall_v without_o leave_n be_v yet_o retain_v in_o the_o church_n 2._o for_o my_o part_n i_o see_v no_o ground_n at_o all_o either_o in_o the_o nature_n of_o the_o thing_n or_o in_o the_o text_n for_o that_o distinction_n of_o mean_a and_o sign_n the_o professor_n of_o leyden_n be_v not_o afraid_a to_o call_v ordination_n a_o mean_v ad_fw-la legitimam_fw-la pastorum_fw-la ordinariorum_fw-la vocationem_fw-la duo_fw-la potissimùm_fw-la media_fw-la sunt_fw-la adhibenda_fw-la vocandorum_fw-la 31._o synop._n pour_fw-fr theol_n ●is●_n 42._o n._n 31._o electio_fw-la &_o electorum_fw-la ordinatio_fw-la two_o mean_n be_v