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Religion and reason mutually corresponding and assisting each other first essay : a reply to the vindicative answer lately publisht against a letter, in which the sence of a bull and council concerning the duration of purgatory was discust / by Thomas White, Gent.
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White, Thomas, 1593-1676.
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Wing W1840; ESTC R13640
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