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1._o cor._n 14._o 34._o 1._o tim._n 2._o 14._o and_o though_o he_o speak_v perticularlie_o of_o propheâ—ing_v and_o teach_v yet_o lay_v he_o down_o a_o more_o general_a rule_n forbid_v all_o such_o speak_v as_o in_o which_o authority_n be_v use_v that_o be_v usurp_v over_o the_o man_n which_o be_v do_v special_o in_o judgement_n and_o if_o a_o woman_n may_v not_o so_o much_o as_o move_v a_o question_n in_o the_o church_n for_o her_o instruction_n how_o much_o less_o may_v she_o give_v a_o voice_n or_o utter_v a_o reproof_n for_o censure_n and_o this_o answer_n we_o return_v at_o the_o length_n brethren_n to_o your_o letter_n and_o demand_n &_o therewith_o our_o love_a salutation_n in_o the_o lord_n in_o who_o wish_v your_o peace_n and_o welfare_n we_o rest_v your_o love_a brethren_n john_n robinsz_n and_o church_n with_o he_o leyden_n 5._o april_n 1624._o finis_fw-la