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B21030 A rejoynder to Mr. Wills, his VindiciƦ wherein the antiquity for believers and novelty of infant baptism is further confirmed : as also his groundless appeal distinctly answer'd, and the forgeries and mistakes boasted of, still found to be his own : with an appeal to his conscience about the same / by H. Danvers. Danvers, Henry, d. 1687. 1675 (1675) Wing D227 48,348 89

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