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A29201 A replication to the Bishop of Chalcedon his Survey of the Vindication of the Church of England from criminous schism clearing the English laws from the aspertion of cruelty : with an appendix in answer to the exceptions of S.W. / by the Right Reverend John Bramhall ... Bramhall, John, 1594-1663. 1656 (1656) Wing B4228; ESTC R8982 229,419 463

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will_v content_v himself_o therewith_o but_o the_o chief_a ground_n of_o our_o separation_n be_v those_o which_o be_v inherent_a in_o the_o papacy_n itself_o qua_fw-la talis_fw-la as_o it_o be_v now_o defend_v as_o they_o seek_v to_o obtrude_v it_o upon_o we_o the_o lawless_a exorbitant_a oppression_n of_o the_o roman_a court_n the_o sovereignty_n of_o the_o pope_n above_o general_a counsel_n his_o legislative_a and_o judiciary_n power_n in_o all_o christian_a kingdom_n against_o the_o will_n of_o the_o right_a owner_n his_o pretend_a right_a to_o convocate_v synod_n and_o confirm_v synod_n and_o dissolve_v synod_n and_o hold_v legantine_n court_n and_o obtrude_v new_a point_n of_o faith_n as_o necessary_a article_n and_o receive_v the_o last_o appeal_n and_o dispose_v of_o all_o ecclesiastical_a dignity_n and_o benefice_n at_o his_o pleasure_n and_o impose_v ten_o and_o first-fruit_n and_o subsidy_n and_o pension_n to_o invest_v bishop_n and_o sell_v pardon_n and_o indulgence_n and_o 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