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manner_n our_o saviour_n christ_n have_v exempt_v
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be_v take_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o s._n gregory_n nazianzene_n who_o compare_v the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a power_n among_o christian_n to_o the_o body_n and_o soul_n in_o man_n yea_o and_o also_o affirm_v that_o temporal_a magistrate_n be_v subject_a to_o spiritual_a pastor_n and_o this_o similitude_n do_v so_o great_o please_v card._n bellarmine_n conceit_n that_o when_o he_o have_v any_o fit_a occasion_n he_o spare_v not_o to_o inculcate_v it_o as_o a_o very_a strong_a argument_n and_o fit_a similitude_n to_o prove_v that_o the_o temporal_a power_n among_o christian_n be_v per_fw-la se_fw-la and_o of_o it_o own_o nature_n subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a as_o the_o body_n in_o man_n be_v per_fw-la se_fw-la subject_a to_o the_o soul_n for_o as_o the_o spirit_n and_o flesh_n say_v he_o 6._o he_o lib._n 5._o de_fw-fr ronvere_n pont_n cap._n 6._o be_v in_o man_n so_o be_v the_o spiritual_a and_o temporal_a power_n in_o the_o church_n for_o the_o spirit_n and_o flesh_n be_v as_o it_o be_v two_o commonwealth_n which_o may_v be_v find_v separate_v and_o also_o unite_v the_o flesh_n have_v sense_n and_o appetite_n to_o which_o be_v answerable_a their_o act_n and_o proper_a object_n and_o of_o all_o which_o the_o immediate_a end_n be_v the_o health_n &_o good_a constitution_n of_o the_o body_n the_o spirit_n have_v understanding_n and_o will_n and_o act_n and_o proportionate_a object_n and_o for_o she_o end_v the_o health_n and_o perfection_n of_o the_o soul_n the_o flesh_n be_v find_v without_o the_o spirit_n in_o beast_n the_o spirit_n be_v find_v without_o the_o flesh_n in_o angel_n 2_o whereby_o it_o be_v manifest_a that_o neither_o of_o they_o be_v precise_o for_o the_o other_o the_o flâ—sh_n also_o be_v find_v unite_a to_o the_o spirit_n in_o man_n where_o because_o they_o make_v one_o person_n they_o have_v necessary_o subordination_n and_o connexion_n for_o the_o flesh_n be_v subject_a the_o spirit_n be_v superior_a and_o although_o the_o spirit_n do_v not_o intermeddle_v herself_o with_o the_o action_n of_o the_o flesh_n but_o do_v suffer_v the_o flesh_n to_o exercise_v all_o her_o action_n as_o she_o do_v exercise_n in_o beast_n yet_o when_o they_o do_v hurt_v the_o end_n of_o the_o spirit_n the_o spirit_n do_v command_v the_o flesh_n and_o do_v punish_v she_o and_o if_o it_o be_v needful_a do_v appoint_v fasting_n and_o also_o other_o affliction_n even_o with_o some_o detriment_n and_o weaken_v of_o the_o body_n and_o do_v compel_v the_o tongue_n not_o to_o speak_v the_o eye_n not_o to_o see_v etc._n etc._n in_o like_a manner_n if_o any_o action_n of_o the_o flesh_n yea_o and_o death_n itself_o be_v necessary_a to_o obtain_v the_o end_n of_o the_o spirit_n the_o spirit_n have_v power_n to_o command_v the_o flesh_n to_o expose_v herself_o and_o all_o she_o as_o we_o see_v in_o martyr_n 3_o even_o so_o the_o civil_a power_n have_v her_o prince_n law_n judgement_n etc._n etc._n and_o likewise_o the_o ecclesiastical_a have_v her_o bishop_n canon_n judgement_n the_o civil_a have_v for_o her_o end_n temporal_a peace_n the_o spiritual_a everlasting_a salvation_n they_o be_v sometime_o find_v separate_v as_o long_o since_o in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o apostle_n sometime_o unite_v as_o now_o and_o when_o they_o be_v unite_v they_o make_v one_o body_n and_o therefore_o they_o ought_v to_o be_v connect_v and_o the_o inferior_a subject_n and_o subordain_v to_o the_o superior_a therefore_o the_o spiritual_a power_n do_v not_o intermeddle_v herself_o with_o temporal_a affair_n but_o do_v suffer_v all_o thing_n to_o proceed_v as_o before_o they_o be_v unite_v so_o that_o they_o be_v not_o hurtful_a to_o the_o spiritual_a end_n or_o not_o necessary_a to_o the_o attain_v thereunto_o but_o if_o any_o such_o thing_n do_v happen_v the_o spiritual_a power_n may_v and_o aught_o to_o compel_v the_o temporal_a by_o all_o manner_n and_o way_n which_o shall_v seem_v necessary_a thereunto_o 4_o thus_o you_o see_v that_o card_n bellarmine_n have_v make_v here_o a_o plausible_a discourse_n but_o true_o more_o beseem_v as_o i_o will_v most_o clear_o convince_v a_o cunning_a orator_n who_o with_o fine_a and_o witty_a conceit_n seek_v rather_o to_o please_v curious_a ear_n than_o a_o sound_a divine_a who_o with_o substantial_a argument_n and_o forcible_a proof_n shall_v endeavour_v to_o convince_v the_o understanding_n of_o judicious_a man_n especial_o in_o such_o point_n as_o be_v pretend_v to_o belong_v to_o catholic_a faith_n and_o eternal_a salvation_n for_o neither_o be_v the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a power_n among_o christian_n well_o compare_v to_o the_o body_n and_o soul_n of_o man_n either_o in_o union_n or_o in_o subjection_n and_o beside_o although_o it_o be_v in_o all_o thing_n a_o fit_a similitude_n yet_o it_o do_v not_o any_o way_n prove_v that_o which_o card._n bellarmine_n pretend_v to_o prove_v thereby_o but_o it_o do_v clear_o and_o direct_o as_o you_o shall_v see_v convince_v the_o flat_a 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that_o temporal_a power_n among_o christian_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a be_v for_o that_o they_o do_v make_v one_o total_a body_n or_o commonwealth_n as_o the_o body_n and_o soul_n do_v make_v one_o man_n and_o consequent_o the_o temporal_a power_n must_v be_v subject_a to_o the_o spiritual_a as_o the_o body_n be_v subject_a to_o the_o soul_n of_o man_n and_o as_o i_o have_v clear_o prove_v there_o be_v no_o such_o union_n of_o the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a power_n to_o make_v one_o total_a body_n consist_v of_o both_o power_n which_o be_v the_o spiritual_a kingdom_n or_o church_n of_o christ_n it_o be_v manifest_a that_o card_n bellarmine_n argument_n draw_v from_o this_o similitude_n of_o the_o soul_n and_o body_n be_v ground_v upon_o this_o union_n of_o the_o temporal_a and_o spiritual_a power_n compound_v one_o total_a body_n have_v no_o sure_a ground_n or_o foundation_n at_o all_o 6_o second_o although_o i_o do_v willing_o grant_v as_o you_o have_v see_v before_o 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