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cap._n 43._o see_v the_o book_n of_o statute_n a_o 2_o &_o 3._o edou_n 6._o how_o disorderly_a catholic_a religion_n be_v overthrow_v in_o k._n edward_n day_n the_o entrance_n of_o q._n mary_n the_o state_n of_o the_o controversy_n in_o three_o question_n aug._n l._n 2._o de_fw-la baptis_fw-la e._n 7._o l._n 4_o e._n 6._o &_o 24._o &_o l._n 5_o c._n 23._o 23._o sup._n cap._n praece_v anno_fw-la 1215._o the_o name_n of_o consubstantiality_n of_o mother_n of_o god_n and_o transubstanriation_n determine_v after_o one_o manner_n the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n for_o the_o protestant_n motive_n that_o draw_v in_o new_a religion_n sup._n cap._n 1._o aug._n tom_n 6._o aug._n lib._n the_o util_a cred_a tom_fw-mi 6._o cap._n 7._o aug._n ibid._n cap._n 8._o how_o a_o man_n may_v know_v the_o catholic_a church_n aug._n de_fw-fr vera_fw-la rel_n c._n 7._o &_o serm_n 131._o the_o temp_n &_o lib._n 3._o cont_n gaudent_fw-la denat_n c._n 1._o ground_n about_o the_o real_a presence_n 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serm._n de_fw-fr corp_n domini_fw-la lanfrant_n l._n the_o corp_n domini_fw-la guit._n l._n 3._o the_o corp_n domini_fw-la &_o ansel_n ep_v the_o corp_n domini_fw-la the_o consent_n of_o the_o univer_n shall_fw-mi church_n canon_n 1._o &_o 2._o the_o greatness_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n the_o state_n of_o the_o question_n aug._n l._n 2._o de_fw-la baptis_fw-la c._n 7._o lib._n 4._o cop_z 6._o &_o 24._o &_o l._n 5._o c._n 23._o the_o search_n of_o catholic_n under_o k._n edw._n for_o the_o ground_n of_o the_o mass_n about_o the_o name_n of_o mass_n mass_n l._n 5._o ep_n 33._o 33._o serm._n 91._o &_o 251._o the_o semp_n &_o serm_n 237._o in_o domin_v 19_o post_n pentecost_n pentecost_n ep._n 81_o ad_fw-la dâ—oscor_fw-la &_o 28._o ad_fw-la episc_fw-la germ_n germ_n 1._o ep_v 12._o &_o l._n 4._o c._n 10._o 10._o lib._n 2_o hist._n uandal_n uandal_n lib._n 3._o de_fw-la cant_fw-la ps_n ord_n ord_n can._n 1._o 1._o in_o 2._o conc._n can_v 3._o &_o 4._o ca._n 84._o 84._o can._n 47._o 47._o can._n 4._o 4._o can._n 1._o 1._o can_v 28._o ambros._n ibid._n aug._n ibid._n the_o description_n of_o a_o true_a external_a and_o visible_a sacrifice_n a_o example_n of_o a_o heretical_a fraud_n about_o fastinge_v the_o excellency_n of_o the_o christian_a and_o external_a sacrifice_n aug._n l._n 16._o the_o civet_n cap._n 22._o lib._n 1._o cont_n advers._n leg_n &_o prophet_n cap._n 20._o dan._n 8._o &_o 11._o malach._n 1._o the_o opposition_n of_o the_o pprophecy_n of_o malachi_n circumstance_n that_o prove_v the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o mass_n to_o have_v be_v fore_o prophesy_v joan._n 4._o &_o 6._o joseph_n lib._n 10._o de_fw-la antiquitat_fw-la judaic._n c._n 8._o the_o explication_n of_o the_o place_n of_o s._n john_n ca._n 4._o about_o sacrifice_n matth._n 26._o marc._n 14._o luc._n 22._o 1._o cor._n 11._o proof_n of_o the_o sacrifice_n by_o christ_n institution_n iren._n lib._n 4._o adu_fw-la haeres_fw-la cap._n 32._o a_o most_o clear_a place_n of_o s._n irenaeus_n for_o the_o daily_a sacrifice_n iren._n ibid._n justin._n dial_n triph._n triph._n l._n 5._o const._n apost_n c._n 18._o &_o l_o 8._o c._n 5._o &_o 36._o 36._o l._n de_fw-fr eccl._n hier._n cap._n 3._o 3._o epist_n ad_fw-la burdegal_n cap_n 3._o 3._o ep_v 1._o deeret_n ad_fw-la orthodox_a act._n 13._o that_o the_o apostle_n do_v sacrifice_v litourgounion_n cypr._n lib_n 2._o epist_n 8._o ambros._n come_v ent_a in_o cap._n 10._o ad_fw-la hebr._n aug._n l._n 20._o contr_n faust._n manich._n cap._n 21._o diverse_a head_n of_o father_n authoritye_n 1._o 2._o 3._o 4._o 5._o 5._o optat._n l._n 6._o cont_n parâ—â—_n parâ—â—_n tertull._n l._n the_o penitent_a penitent_a ambros._n l._n 5._o ep_n 33._o 6._o luther_n reject_v all_o father_n about_o the_o mass_n lib._n de_fw-fr messa_n &_o l._n deaurogand_fw-mi miss_v &_o lib._n contr_n angliae_fw-la hegem_fw-la importâ—â—_n consideration_n 1._o 2._o 3._o 4._o 5._o 6._o 7._o 8._o the_o comparison_n of_o priest_n that_o offer_v or_o impugn_a the_o sacrifice_n of_o the_o mass_n 9_o 10._o two_o thing_n diligent_o to_o be_v note_v civil_a catech_n 4._o mystag_n prope_fw-la enitium_fw-la ambr_n 1._o 4._o do_v sacram._n cap._n 1._o ambr._n l._n the_o myster_n imitiand_n c._n 7._o chrysost._n hom_n 8_o â—_o in_o matth._n epiph._n in_o ancoras_n circa_fw-la medium_n epiph._n ibia_fw-la eusibius_n emiss_a serm_n 5._o de_fw-la pasehat_fw-la chrysost._n hom_n 51._o &_o 83._o in_o matth._n greger_n hom_n 26._o in_o evang_n aug._n tract_n 79._o in_o joan._n chrysost._n in_o serm_n ad_fw-la pop._n antioch_n chrysost._n l._n 3._o de_fw-fr sacerd_v cypr._n serm_n de_fw-fr cana_fw-la dominj_n hilar._n lib._n 8._o de_fw-la trinit_fw-la joan._n 6._o ambr._n l._n 4._o de_fw-fr sacram._n cap._n 4._o ephrem_fw-la lib._n de_fw-fr natura_fw-la deâ—_n minimè_fw-la scrutan_fw-mi da_fw-mi cap._n 5._o august_n open_fw-mi ad_fw-la volutian_a aug._n ibid._n ibidem_fw-la cyrill_n alex._n l._n 4._o in_o joan._n cap._n 12._o luc._n â—_o marc._n 14._o luc._n 3._o d._n tho._n 1._o part_n q._n 14._o art_n 3._o waldens_n tom_fw-mi 2._o cap._n 72._o &_o 73._o calu._n lib._n 4._o institut_fw-la cap._n 17._o §._o 24._o calu._n ibid._n three_o way_n or_o manner_n of_o be_v in_o place_n 1._o 1._o 2._o how_o a_o body_n may_v be_v definitive_o in_o place_n cap._n 19_o nazianzorat_n 36._o quae_fw-la est_fw-la quarta_fw-la de_fw-fr theolog._n matth._n 19_o luc._n 18._o marc._n 10._o the_o three_o condition_n or_o propriety_n of_o quantity_n joan._n 20._o math._n 28._o mare_fw-la 16._o ephes._n 4._o se_fw-la s._n aug._n ep_v 3._o ad_fw-la volus_n &_o l_o 22._o de_fw-mi civit._n dei_fw-la cap._n 8._o &_o chrysost._n euthâ—m_n cyrill_n &c_n &c_n in_o cowmentavijs_fw-la shrysost_n lib._n 3._o de_fw-fr sacerdotie_n chrysost._n hom_n 17._o in_o ep_n ad_fw-la hebr_n nissen_n orat_fw-la de_fw-fr paschate_n hugo_n de_fw-fr sa_n victor_n l._n 2._o do_v sacram._n p._n 8._o cap._n 11._o two_o difficultye_n solue_v the_o first_o difficulty_n about_o unity_n aug._n ep_v 3._o ad_fw-la volus._n the_o second_o difficulty_n about_o quantity_n diverse_a article_n believe_v by_o protestant_n be_v more_o hard_a than_o this_o natural_a example_n induce_v we_o to_o this_o manner_n of_o be_v of_o christ_n body_n in_o diverse_a place_n aug._n ep_v â—â—_o ad_fw-la volus._n example_n of_o the_o be_v of_o christ_n body_n in_o diverse_a place_n it_o once_o act._n 9_o &_o 22._o egesipp_n l._n 3._o de_fw-la excidio_fw-la hierosol_n ambr._n orat_fw-la count_n auxentium_fw-la athan._n in_o vita_fw-la anton._n greg._n lib._n 4._o dial_n c_o 16._o paul_n ep_v ad_fw-la macarium_fw-la joan._n diaâ—_n l._n 2._o de_fw-la vita_fw-la greg._n c._n 22._o mare_fw-la 16._o how_o christ_n be_v in_o heaven_n and_o in_o the_o sacrament_n after_o a_o different_a manner_n note_v this_o example_n vli_fw-la supra_fw-la aristot._fw-la 5._o metiph_n â—ext_n 35._o see_v auerâ—_n in_o cpitom_n metaphys_n tract_n 2._o auiâ—embron_n l._n font_n aquavitae_fw-la tract_n 2._o waldensis_fw-la tom_n 2._o cap._n 76._o basil._n he_o 2._o &_o