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officer_n 3._o accusation_n 3._o etc._n etc._n let_v this_o be_v our_o general_a sin_n yet_o there_o be_v diversity_n of_o sin_n all_o be_v not_o of_o like_a detestation_n before_o god_n not_o of_o like_a consequence_n against_o us._n i_o say_v not_o that_o any_o sin_n be_v venial_a but_o i_o say_v all_o sin_n by_o their_o nature_n be_v mortal_a yet_o do_v they_o not_o all_o alike_o abolish_v we_o from_o christ_n nor_o deprive_v we_o of_o the_o glory_n of_o god_n now_o this_o sin_n of_o outward_a church_n order_n be_v not_o of_o the_o most_o heinous_a nor_o extreme_a disobedience_n there_o be_v sin_n against_o the_o 11.12.13.14_o the_o 1_o cor._n 15_o 2.3.4_o rom._n 1.25_o 1_o cor._n 3.10_o 11.12.13.14_o foundation_n and_o there_o be_v sin_n that_o stand_v with_o the_o foundation_n ibid._n wherein_o man_n live_v and_o die_v ignorant_o without_o particular_a repentance_n may_v be_v save_v such_o be_v the_o sin_n of_o the_o jewish_a church_n and_o estate_n in_o christ_n