Selected quad for the lemma: ground_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
ground_n	church_n	faith_n	point_n	2,842	5	7.1926	4	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A17445	Puritanisme the mother, sinne the daughter. Or a treatise, wherein is demonstrated from twenty seuerall doctrines, and positions of Puritanisme; that the fayth and religion of the Puritans, doth forcibly induce its professours to the perpetrating of sinne, and doth warrant the committing of the same. Written by a Catholic priest, vpon occasion of certaine late most execrable actions of some Puritans, expressed in the page following. Heerunto is added (as an appendix) a funerall discourse touching the late different deathes of two most eminent Protestant deuines; to wit Doctour Price Deane of Hereford, and Doctour Butts Vice-Chancellour of Cambridge. By the same authour	B. C. (Catholic priest)	1633 (1633)	STC 4264; ESTC S107396	79,660	208

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moderate_a protestant_n the_o puritan_n the_o brownist_n the_o anabaptist_n the_o antitrinitarians_a &_o other_o all_o which_o heresye_n do_v first_o take_v their_o root_n from_o each_o particular_a man_n private_a spirit_n interpret_n the_o scripture_n in_o a_o different_a sense_n and_o construction_n from_o the_o rest_n of_o his_o brethren_n and_o hereupon_o it_o proceed_v that_o so_o many_o hundred_o of_o book_n mention_v by_o coccius_n and_o by_o altera_fw-la by_o coccius_n in_o thesauro_fw-la tom_fw-mi 2._o &_o hospiniam_fw-la in_o his_o historia_fw-la sacramentaria_fw-la parte_fw-la altera_fw-la hospinian_n the_o protestant_n be_v write_v by_o the_o professor_n of_o the_o foresay_a sect_n one_o against_o another_o and_o often_o by_o man_n of_o the_o same_o religion_n even_o against_o other_o of_o their_o own_o brethren_n the_o three_o current_n of_o this_o reveal_n spirit_n run_v not_o only_o to_o interpret_n of_o passage_n of_o scripture_n which_o mere_o touch_v speculation_n 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see_v it_o be_v not_o in_o his_o power_n to_o make_v his_o way_n evil_a for_o god_n work_v the_o wicked_a work_n in_o the_o wicked_a again_o 36._o again_o vbi_fw-la supra_fw-la art_n 36._o nullius_fw-la est_fw-la in_o manu_fw-la etc._n etc._n it_o be_v not_o in_o the_o power_n of_o any_o man_n to_o think_v evil_a or_o good_a but_o all_o thing_n proceed_v from_o absolute_a necessity_n swinglius_n heerto_o accord_v say_v peccandum_fw-la say_v tom._n 2._o de_fw-fr provident●_n dei_fw-la fol._n 166._o say_v movet_fw-la deus_fw-la latronem_fw-la ad_fw-la occidendum_fw-la etc._n etc._n and_o there_o again_o deo_fw-la impullore_fw-la latro_fw-la occidit_fw-la and_o final_o latro_n coactus_fw-la est_fw-la ad_fw-la peccandum_fw-la god_n move_v the_o thief_n to_o kill_v &_o the_o thief_n kill_v god_n procure_v he_o yea_o the_o thief_n be_v enforce_v to_o kill_v melancthon_n thus_o affirm_v of_o the_o adultery_n of_o david_n 8._o david_n in_o rom._n 8._o the_o adultery_n of_o david_n be_v the_o proper_a work_n of_o god_n as_o be_v the_o conversion_n of_o paul_n which_o sentence_n in_o melancthon_n ●09_n

precisian_n freewill_n be_v a_o fiction_n in_o thing_n or_o a_o title_n without_o substance_n because_o it_o be_v in_o no_o man_n power_n to_o think_v any_o thing_n evil_a or_o good_a but_o all_o thing_n etc._n etc._n happen_v by_o absolute_a necessity_n and_o thereupon_o in_o hatred_n of_o freewill_n luther_n do_v write_v a_o book_n entitul_a it_o de_fw-fr seruo_fw-la arbitrio_fw-la in_o one_o place_n whereof_o he_o thus_o further_o teach_v the_o foreknowledge_n and_o omnipotency_n of_o god_n fight_v against_o our_o freewill_n so_o forgetful_a it_o seem_v be_v luther_n of_o those_o word_n of_o our_o saviour_n 23._o saviour_n math._n 23._o how_o often_o will_v i_o have_v gather_v thy_o child_n together_o etc._n etc._n and_o thou_o will_v not_o now_o do_v not_o the_o denial_n of_o freewill_n become_v a_o sanctuary_n for_o all_o sin_n whatsoever_o may_v not_o the_o thief_n say_v in_o his_o own_o defence_n by_o force_n of_o this_o doctrine_n that_o it_o be_v not_o in_o his_o freewill_n 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caluin_n thus_o write_v of_o this_o point_n 6._o point_n calu._n instit_fw-la l._n 3._o c._n 23._o sect_n 6._o consilio_fw-la nutuque_fw-la etc._n etc._n god_n do_v ordain_v by_o his_o counsel_n and_o decree_n that_o among_o man_n some_o be_v bear_v destine_v to_o certain_a damnation_n from_o their_o mother_n womb_n who_o by_o their_o destruction_n may_v glorify_v god_n and_o this_o without_o any_o respect_n have_v to_o their_o work_n good_a or_o evil_n and_o beza_n further_a in_o defence_n hereof_o maintain_v that_o 221._o that_o in_o respon_n ad_fw-la act_n colloq_fw-la montisbelg_n part_n alter_v pag._n 215._o &_o 221._o god_n do_v not_o suffer_v death_n for_o those_o man_n so_o ordain_v to_o destruction_n the_o same_o beza_n further_a yet_o proceed_v herein_o thus_o say_v 123._o say_v beza_n ubi_fw-la supr_fw-la in_o praefat_fw-la p._n ●1_n et_fw-la p._n 123._o many_o infant_n of_o believe_a parent_n be_v baptize_v be_v notwithstanding_o damn_v though_o the_o secret_a decree_n of_o god_n and_o hee●pon_o he_o most_o blasphemous_o thus_o conclude_v 31._o conclude_v bez._n in_o his_o treatise_n english_v and_o entitle_v the_o display_v of_o popish_a practice_n pag._n 17._o &_o 31._o god_n creat_v some_o to_o destruction_n creat_v to_o perdition_n predestinate_v some_o to_o his_o hatred_n &_o destruction_n so_o little_a beza_n regard_v those_o word_n of_o holy_a writ_n 33._o writ_n ezech._n 33._o as_o i_o live_v say_v the_o lord_n i_o desire_v not_o the_o death_n of_o the_o wicked_a but_o that_o the_o wicked_a turn_n from_o his_o way_n &_o live_v and_o again_o 5._o again_o 2._o petr●_n 3_o &_o 1_o thessaly_n 5._o god_n be_v not_o willing_a that_o any_o perish_v but_o that_o all_o return_n to_o penance_n 8._o now_o touch_v the_o doctrine_n of_o the_o certainty_n of_o man_n salvation_n or_o predestination_n thus_o our_o adversary_n teach_v luther_n affirm_v that_o philipp_n that_o tom._n ●_o epist_n latin_n fol._n 334._o add_v philipp_n no_o sin_n can_v draw_v we_o 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