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passion_n of_o christ_n do_v make_v this_o spiritual_a treasure_n from_o whence_o indulgence_n do_v flow_v ad_fw-la hearto_fw-la that_o if_o s._n paul_n may_v true_o say_v in_o a_o researued_a sense_n add_v imple_a ea_fw-la quae_fw-la desunt_fw-la passionum_fw-la christi_fw-la in_o earn_v mea_fw-la 1._o pro_fw-la corporâ—â—ius_fw-la quod_fw-la est_fw-la ecclesia_fw-la i_o do_v fulfil_v those_o thing_n that_o do_v want_n of_o the_o passion_n of_o christ_n in_o my_o flesh_n for_o his_o body_n which_o be_v the_o church_n word_n which_o if_o any_o catholic_a shall_v have_v aver_v of_o any_o one_o saint_n without_o the_o warrant_n of_o the_o apostle_n he_o shall_v have_v be_v mighre_o calumniate_v and_o wrong_v by_o the_o protestant_n then_o follow_v it_o that_o the_o affliction_n and_o suffering_n of_o s._n paul_n as_o receive_v their_o force_n from_o christ_n passion_n may_v be_v say_v without_o any_o indignity_n to_o christ_n to_o encreasse_n this_o spiritual_a treasure_n of_o the_o 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roman_n 9_o at_o a_o other_o time_n to_o become_v a_o aâ—athemâ—_n for_o they_o to_o proceed_v further_o the_o old_a testament_n itself_o warrant_v this_o mutual_a communication_n of_o one_o suffer_v for_o a_o other_o and_o in_o this_o sense_n it_o be_v say_v of_o god_n church_n there_o entitle_v jerusalem_n that_o it_o be_v â—21_n as_o a_o city_n who_o participationes_fw-la in_o itself_o that_o be_v as_o in_o a_o public_a city_n there_o be_v a_o general_a traffic_n for_o the_o public_a benefit_n of_o every_o particular_a citizen_n so_o in_o the_o city_n of_o god_n which_o be_v his_o church_n there_o be_v a_o communion_n or_o participation_n of_o all_o the_o spiritual_a work_n thereof_o to_o the_o general_a benefit_n and_o behoof_n of_o eich_n particular_a man._n and_o upon_o this_o ground_n it_o be_v that_o david_n say_v in_o respect_n of_o the_o communication_n of_o one_o man_n suffering_n for_o a_o other_o 218._o
i_o be_o make_v partaker_n of_o all_o that_o fear_v the_o lord_n now_o this_o former_a doctrine_n touch_v the_o suffering_n of_o one_o to_o be_v apply_v to_o a_o other_o be_v the_o undoubted_a true_a and_o ancient_a doctrine_n of_o christ_n church_n upon_o which_o ground_n indulgance_n be_v build_v it_o from_o hence_o appear_v how_o idle_o and_o impertinent_o our_o adversaries_n do_v urge_v some_o text_n of_o scripture_n to_o the_o contrary_a as_o where_o it_o be_v say_v the_o 18._o soul_n which_o sin_v â—â—en_o that_o shall_v die_v and_o again_o 6._o every_o one_o shall_v be_v be_v his_o own_o burden_n and_o more_o no_o 49._o man_n câ—â—_n redeem_v his_o brother_n or_o give_v a_o price_n to_o god_n for_o he_o all_o which_o text_n be_v speak_v of_o the_o state_n of_o eternal_a damnation_n and_o therefore_o impertinent_o allege_v in_o which_o state_n a_o man_n deparâ—eth_v out_o of_o this_o world_n but_o they_o be_v not_o speak_v of_o temporal_a punishment_n only_o which_o be_v reserve_v after_o the_o guilt_n of_o eternal_a damnation_n be_v remit_v which_o be_v the_o point_n here_o controvert_v if_o it_o be_v urge_v against_o this_o doctrine_n that_o the_o action_n of_o the_o saint_n decease_a be_v merit_n to_o themselves_o and_o therefore_o can_v be_v apply_v as_o satisfaction_n for_o other_o â—o_o this_o i_o answer_v that_o one_o and_o the_o same_o action_n may_v be_v in_o a_o different_a respect_n both_o meritorious_a and_o satisfactory_a meritorious_a as_o it_o proceed_v from_o supernatural_a grace_n satisfactory_a as_o it_o be_v perform_v with_o pain_n labour_n and_o difficulty_n according_a hereto_o we_o read_v in_o scripture_n that_o almeâ—deeds_n do_v both_o merit_n and_o satisfy_v for_o sin_n for_o thus_o we_o read_v 9_o whosoever_o shall_v give_v in_o my_o name_n a_o cup_n of_o cold_a water_n etc._n etc._n he_o shall_v not_o loose_v his_o reward_n here_o be_v merit_n we_o also_o read_v of_o almeâ—deeds_n 4._o in_o this_o sort_n almesdeed_n deliver_v we_o from_o sin_n and_o death_n and_o again_o as_o 3._o water_n quench_v the_o fire_n so_o almesdeed_n extinguish_v sin_n here_o be_v satisfaction_n here_o also_o we_o be_v to_o conceaâ—e_v that_o though_o the_o same_o action_n may_v be_v meritorious_a and_o satisfactory_a yet_o a_o man_n merit_v only_o for_o himself_o &_o not_o for_o other_o but_o satisfy_v he_o may_v both_o for_o himself_o and_o for_o other_o only_a christ_n our_o saviour_n have_v merit_v both_o grace_n and_o glory_n for_o we_o all_o and_o also_o have_v satisfy_v for_o the_o sin_n of_o all_o man_n yet_o the_o worth_n and_o price_n of_o his_o merit_n we_o can_v apply_v only_o to_o ourselves_o by_o our_o meritorious_a action_n and_o not_o derive_v it_o to_o any_o other_o but_o the_o benefit_n of_o his_o satisfaction_n we_o may_v derive_v by_o our_o own_o satisfactory_a work_n not_o only_o to_o ourselves_o but_o also_o to_o other_o where_o it_o be_v vulgar_o object_v that_o juduigence_n be_v oftentimes_o grant_v for_o more_o thousand_o of_o year_n than_o the_o world_n or_o purgatory_n be_v like_a to_o endure_v and_o continue_v and_o that_o therefore_o they_o be_v ridiculous_o and_o foolish_o grant_v i_o answer_v this_o argument_n proceed_v from_o mere_a ignorance_n for_o here_o the_o year_n be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v of_o the_o year_n or_o day_n of_o penal_a satisfaction_n which_o be_v to_o be_v impose_v in_o purgatory_n but_o of_o the_o number_n of_o year_n which_o be_v more_o or_o less_o in_o number_n proportion_v according_a to_o the_o diversity_n of_o the_o crime_n by_o the_o canonical_a decree_n of_o the_o church_n and_o here_o we_o be_v further_a to_o know_v that_o god_n in_o the_o space_n and_o compass_v of_o a_o hour_n or_o some_o such_o short_a time_n may_v by_o the_o bitter_a pain_n of_o purgatory_n expiate_v that_o which_o in_o this_o life_n a_o remiss_a and_o slow_a penance_n or_o satisfaction_n will_v scarce_o redeem_v in_o the_o compass_n of_o many_o year_n now_o touch_v the_o antiquity_n of_o indulgence_n we_o find_v they_o practise_v by_o s._n paul_n who_o thus_o say_v of_o the_o incestuous_a person_n who_o 2._o you_o have_v pardon_v i_o also_o pardon_v for_o that_o which_o i_o have_v pardon_v in_o the_o person_n of_o christ_n for_o you_o i_o have_v do_v it_o that_o we_o be_v not_o circumvent_v of_o satan_n here_o now_o we_o be_v to_o remember_v that_o the_o incestuous_a person_n to_o who_o the_o indulgence_n be_v here_o give_v be_v in_o great_a contrition_n and_o sorrow_n for_o his_o sin_n be_v excommunicate_v by_o s._n paul_n who_o at_o the_o request_n of_o the_o corinthian_n do_v release_v he_o of_o his_o excommunication_n for_o fear_v he_o may_v fall_n into_o despair_n now_o in_o this_o example_n we_o find_v all_o thing_n necessary_a to_o a_o indulgence_n or_o pardon_n as_o first_o the_o authority_n of_o the_o grant_a of_o the_o pardon_n to_o wit_n s._n paul_n who_o affirm_v to_o do_v it_o in_o the_o person_n of_o christ_n second_o state_n of_o grace_n in_o the_o receiver_n of_o the_o indulgence_n as_o appear_v by_o his_o contrition_n and_o sorrow_n for_o his_o sin_n commit_v three_o the_o temporal_a punishment_n remit_v to_o wit_n his_o excommunication_n last_o a_o just_a &_o sufficient_a cause_n for_o give_v this_o indulgence_n or_o pardon_n which_o be_v lest_o the_o offendor_n shall_v fall_n into_o despair_n or_o be_v overplunge_v in_o sorrow_n after_o the_o apostle_n time_n we_o find_v that_o the_o bishop_n of_o the_o primative_a church_n give_v pardon_n and_o indulgence_n to_o many_o and_o this_o be_v do_v by_o the_o mediation_n of_o confessor_n or_o design_v martyr_n as_o be_v witness_v by_o martyr_n tertullian_n &_o lapsis_fw-la cyprian_n we_o also_o find_v that_o pardon_n and_o indulgence_n be_v give_v by_o sundry_a â—â—opes_n in_o other_o age_n as_o by_o surium_n leo_n the_o three_o by_o 3._o gregory_n the_o great_a by_o 1._o vrban_a the_o second_o by_o chronic._n innocentius_n the_o three_o by_o paschalis_n the_o first_o and_o by_o other_o all_o which_o dispense_v and_o distribute_v out_o of_o the_o common_a treasure_n of_o the_o church_n beside_o the_o former_a authoritye_n the_o doctrine_n and_o use_n of_o indulgencs_n be_v warrant_v by_o counsel_n both_o general_n and_o provincial_n to_o wit_n the_o first_o council_n of_o 11._o nice_a the_o council_n of_o 9_o ancyran_n the_o council_n of_o leodice_n 2._o the_o council_n of_o claramontane_n the_o council_n of_o lateran_n of_o vienna_n of_o constance_n and_o of_o trente_n as_o appear_v in_o the_o counsel_n themselves_o now_o if_o the_o former_a ancient_a pope_n and_o father_n as_o also_o these_o allege_a counsel_n shall_v err_v in_o the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n than_o two_o main_n absurditye_n shall_v follow_v first_o that_o the_o primative_a church_n shall_v most_o foul_o err_v in_o a_o dogmatic_a point_n of_o faith_n contrary_a to_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o more_o sober_a &_o leared_a protestant_n among_o who_o i_o will_v for_o brevity_n hear_v set_v down_o the_o judgement_n only_o of_o kempnitius_n touch_v the_o primative_a church_n who_o thus_o say_v 74._o i_o dowbt_v not_o but_o the_o primative_a church_n receive_v from_o the_o apostle_n and_o apostolical_a man_n not_o only_o the_o text_n of_o scripture_n but_o also_o the_o native_a sense_n thereof_o but_o this_o the_o primative_a church_n can_v not_o receive_v if_o it_o whole_o err_v in_o so_o main_n a_o matter_n of_o christian_a doctrine_n as_o the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n be_v the_o second_o absurdity_n be_v that_o in_o regard_n of_o the_o say_a father_n and_o general_n counsel_n defend_v the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n the_o whole_a church_n of_o christ_n suppose_v the_o doctrine_n to_o be_v faâ—se_n shall_v err_v in_o matter_n of_o faith_n contrary_a to_o the_o promise_n of_o christ_n who_o have_v promise_v ever_o to_o be_v with_o his_o church_n till_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n which_o say_v church_n of_o he_o be_v style_v by_o the_o apostle_n for_o it_o great_a certainty_n of_o faith_n 3._o columna_fw-la &_o firmamentum_fw-la veritatis_fw-la and_o therefore_o incompatible_a with_o error_n and_o thus_o much_o concern_v the_o doctrine_n of_o indulgence_n end_v this_o discourse_n with_o the_o confession_n of_o kempnitius_n touch_v the_o antiquity_n thereof_o who_o plain_o acknowledge_v and_o say_v 329._o that_o the_o begin_n of_o indulgence_n be_v not_o clear_o enough_o set_v down_o in_o history_n the_o catholic_a doctrine_n touch_v communion_n under_o one_o kind_a defend_v the_o true_a state_n of_o this_o question_n be_v not_o whether_o christ_n do_v institute_v the_o eucharist_n under_o both_o kind_n or_o whether_o himself_o and_o the_o apostle_n do_v at_o the_o first_o institution_n receive_v it_o under_o both_o kind_n or_o whether_o the_o apostle_n and_o the_o father_n afterward_o at_o sundry_a time_n do_v minister_v it_o to_o the_o laity_n under_o both_o kind_n for_o all_o this_o