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A86481 An answer to a certain writing, entituled, Certain doubts and quaere's upon occasion of the late oath and covenant, with desire of satisfaction, for tender conscienced people, to whom it may be exhibited. 5. August. 1643 Imprimatur Joseph Caryl. Hollingworth, Richard, 1607-1656.; England and Wales. Parliament. 1643 (1643) Wing H2486; Thomason E67_5; ESTC R8330 11,137 16

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the Physitians are not guiltie In Justs and Torneaments Subjects standing onely on point of honour have returned Launce for Launce stroke for stroke unhorsed disarmed and wounded (n) Hall 16 H. 8. yea killed o Anno 1559. p Anno 1266. their Kings without suspition of disloyaltie The casuall killing of King William Rufus by the glance of an Arrow was no treason The fighting against the Earl of Leicesters forces where King Henry the third was in person and carried about for the countenance of His Actions and the rescuing of Him though He was wounded unawares in the rescue was by Parliament judged to be loyall and faithfull services Finally to omit what Bishop Poinet saith of the power of the great Constable of England If the King should come in the head of the Irish Rebels many whereof are already Him we may and must with as much tendernesse and care of His Majesties Person as will stand with discharge of our dueties resist and help to destroy those Robels that are about Him In reverence of Parliaments and in regard of tender consciences I desire these things first to be cleered least in taking this Oath we go on Popish grounds in these three principalls viz. Of implicite faith of infallibilitie of Councell and the Oath ex Officio The Papists by an implicite faith Quest 4 beleeve and swear because their Church saith it And why and how can our Countrey people beleeve and swear but because the Parliament faith it The Papists think the Popes councell cannot erre therefore engage their faith to beleeve and their practises to do what de future shall be determined I desire therefore to know the extent of the word continued will assist the forces raised and continued by both Houses it seemeth to be meant do futuro else raised would have served the expression thus it may be as large as c. and ingageth our assistance to them without limitation of lawfull continuance as if this Army or Parliament-Councell could not erre in ordering the same The Papists as was exclaimed in our Bishops Courts have an Oath in their Inquisition to oblige men either to accuse or forswear themselves and doth not this Oath oblige men if conscious of this that is meant by the Plot either to accuse themselves which is unnaturall or forswear themselves which is Diabolicall The Parliament do publish in their Declarations the Reasons and Grounds of their Votes and Actions Answ the Equitie as well as the Authoritie of their decisions and therefore cannot be said to require an implicite faith The Judgement of the Parliament is not infallible but to us it is inevitable Our Judgements are not in-thralled to beleeve what they say but they are bound up and superseded by theirs and our interests are intrusted with them and subjected to their decisions If His Majestie should concurre with the Houses in a Declaration of the Law could you not then submit thereunto without contradiction and rest therein without further debatement except you go on Popish grounds of implicite faith and infallibilitie Our holding the Parliament to be the supreme Judicatory in case of the Kings absence or opposition doth no whit alter the case If any implicite faith and infallibilitie must be placed any where it is more safely placed in a generall Councell then in the Pope and consequently in the Parliament rather then the King (q) This comparison was made by Acneas Sylvius in the Councell of Basil To avoyd processus in infinitum which nature abhorres there is a power resting some where which is the ultimate and indisputable power of expounding the Laws which power resting in the Parliament must be assisted by all within the jurisdiction of the Court and not be resisted or controuled by any upon pretence of possible or actuall errour in them If any Court of Record do erre I am excused yea justified by the Law if I living within their jurisdiction do submit to their sentence yea obey it till it be reversed As if A. free from all Felony be out-lawed for felony which is but a Declaration by and before the Coroners every subject in the Countie is bound so farre to credit the said Judgement as not to receive releeve and comfort A upon pain of being accessary to felony (r) The Kingdoms Case citeth 12 Ed. 2. Coron 377. which is cited 19 Eliz. dy 355. And in case of Attainder by Parliament though supposed to be unjust the King Himself cannot discharge the persons so attainted but by reversing it in Parliament (ſ) 1 Hen. 7.4 There is no necessicie that continued should be meant de futuro seeing but a line or two before both raised and continued are spoken de preterito But if it be is I beleeve it is spoken d●future it cannot be so large and boundlesse as c. seeing the ground of my promising assistance is the limitation of the Parliaments forces in my belief to be for their just defence and the just defence of the t●●e Protestant Religion and Libertie of the Subject If I say whereas I beleeve A. B. is a Protestant I will assist him in the maintenance of his Religion I do not engage my self to maintain Popery in case he should turn Papist The King and His Councell and his forces may erre therefore the Inhabitants of Chester Shrowsbury or any other place which have engaged themselves by Oath upon their bele●f of His Majesties Protestations to assist Him and His forces against the forces of Robert Earl of Essex Sir William Br●reton c. especially de future which is as large as c. and without limitation of lawfull are in this respect as guiltie as they that take this Oath This Oath differs much from the Oath ex Officio which you say is Popish for it is tendered not onely to suspected persons nor principally intended for the finding out of guilt or the punishment of guilty persons when found out though such like Oaths were in use Num. 5.19 Exod. 21.11 And now in Courts the person indicted doth plead guiltie or not guiltie and so either detects himself which is unnaturall or lyes which is Diabolica●l But to the whole Kingdom to binde them to the detestation and non-execution of the said or the like plot and to fidelitie for after times R. S. the Author of these Q●aere's doth I suppose refuse this Oath yet I hope he doth not hereby accuse himself to be conscious or guiltie of the said Plot. I may not especially by solemne Oath take Gods name in vain Quest 5 nor multiply Oaths to the same intent I took the Protestation to preven the ruine of Parliaments Kingdom and true Protestant Religion therefore this present Oath expressed to be to the same intent is needlesse and vain if not shew the necessity of it You say Answ but you prove not that the taking of this latter Covenant is a taking of Gods name in vain You see it is more large plain particular then the