Selected quad for the lemma: ground_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
ground_n	church_n	faith_n	infallibility_n	2,066	5	11.7830	5	true

Text snippets containing the quad

ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A73418	Roger Widdringtons last reioynder to Mr. Thomas Fitz-Herberts Reply concerning the oath of allegiance, and the Popes power to depose princes wherein all his arguments, taken from the lawes of God, in the Old and New Testament, of nature, of nations, from the canon and ciuill law, and from the Popes breues, condemning the oath, and the cardinalls decree, forbidding two of Widdringtons bookes are answered : also many replies and instances of Cardinall Bellarmine in his Schulckenius, and of Leonard Lessius in his Singleton are confuted, and diuers cunning shifts of Cardinall Peron are discouered.	Preston, Thomas, 1563-1640.	1619 (1619)	STC 25599; ESTC S5197	680,529	682

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and_o saphyra_n and_o of_o other_o and_o from_o the_o practice_n of_o the_o church_n and_o the_o person_n of_o man_n be_v clear_o confute_v chap._n viii_o m._n fitzherberts_n argument_n take_v from_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n and_o the_o civil_a law_n be_v answer_v and_o first_o the_o difference_n betwixt_o the_o priest_n of_o the_o old_a and_o new_a testament_n and_o the_o priest_n of_o other_o nation_n and_o also_o betwixt_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n and_o of_o nature_n be_v declare_v second_o from_o thence_o it_o be_v prove_v that_o among_o all_o nation_n the_o civil_a commonwealth_n be_v supreme_a and_o dispose_v of_o all_o thing_n both_o spiritual_a and_o temporal_a and_o punish_v all_o person_n both_o priest_n and_o other_o with_o temporal_a punishment_n and_o consequent_o that_o the_o new_a oath_n can_v be_v impugn_a by_o the_o law_n of_o nation_n three_o what_o m._n fitzherbert_n object_v from_o the_o civil_a law_n be_v confute_v chap_n ix_o first_o the_o difficulty_n which_o 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disobey_v the_o church_n be_v excommunicate_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n also_o for_o that_o otherways_o the_o church_n do_v excommunicate_v no_o man_n but_o declare_v he_o to_o be_v excommunicate_v by_o the_o law_n of_o god_n because_o he_o do_v not_o obey_v the_o church_n which_o how_o absurd_a this_o be_v it_o be_v manifest_a of_o itself_o etc._n etc._n first_o therefore_o by_o those_o word_n be_v signify_v this_o general_a maxim_n that_o those_o who_o do_v not_o hear_v the_o church_n do_v grievous_o sin_n and_o especial_o if_o they_o be_v obstinate_a and_o that_o therefore_o they_o be_v to_o be_v account_v and_o shun_v as_o grievous_a sinner_n as_o be_v heathen_n and_o publican_n second_o it_o be_v signify_v that_o christ_n our_o lord_n will_v give_v to_o his_o church_n power_n to_o bind_v and_o loose_v and_o so_o in_o those_o word_n be_v contain_v the_o power_n to_o inflict_v the_o censure_n of_o excommunication_n but_o not_o the_o institution_n of_o the_o censure_n itself_o or_o 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needs_o have_v it_o to_o bind_v all_o christian_a kingdom_n or_o else_o that_o it_o have_v force_v only_o to_o bind_v in_o the_o pope_n dominion_n wherein_o he_o have_v the_o place_n both_o of_o a_o spiritual_a pastor_n and_o also_o of_o a_o temporal_a prince_n 32_o and_o whereas_o widdrington_n give_v a_o instance_n say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 8._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 153._o num_fw-la 8._o without_o any_o quotation_n of_o law_n or_o author_n that_o bishop_n and_o abbot_n be_v not_o include_v in_o penal_a law_n except_o they_o be_v mention_v it_o be_v true_a in_o bishop_n in_o the_o case_n only_o of_o suspension_n or_o interdict_v from_o the_o which_o they_o be_v by_o a_o express_a canon_n exempt_v except_o they_o be_v name_v as_o it_o appear_v in_o the_o decretal_n lib._n suspensionis_fw-la tit._n 11._o cap._n 4._o §._o quia_fw-la periculosum_fw-la glossa_fw-la ibidem_fw-la in_o verbum_fw-la suspensionis_fw-la 5._o de_fw-la sententia_fw-la excommunicationis_fw-la where_o also_o the_o gloss_n say_v express_o that_o they_o be_v not_o privilege_v from_o a_o general_a penalty_n of_o excommunication_n because_o the_o pope_n who_o give_v they_o the_o aforesaid_a privilege_n will_v not_o have_v they_o to_o be_v exmpt_v from_o the_o canon_n si_fw-mi quis_fw-la suadente_fw-la and_o such_o like_a which_o inflict_v the_o penalty_n of_o excommunication_n in_o general_a term_n and_o the_o same_o be_v to_o be_v say_v of_o abbot_n or_o any_o other_o person_n of_o dignity_n to_o wit_n that_o they_o have_v no_o exemption_n from_o the_o general_a term_n of_o penal_a law_n except_o they_o be_v privilege_v namely_o by_o some_o express_a canon_n and_o therefore_o when_o my_o adversary_n shall_v show_v i_o such_o a_o canon_n whereby_o prince_n have_v the_o privilege_n that_o he_o pretend_v in_o their_o behalf_n i_o will_v grant_v that_o he_o have_v reason_n to_o exempt_v they_o from_o the_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n of_o lateran_n in_o the_o mean_a time_n he_o have_v no_o more_o probability_n in_o this_o point_n then_o in_o the_o former_a 33_o but_o first_o i_o never_o say_v as_o mr._n fitzherbert_n to_o make_v some_o colour_n of_o a_o probable_a answer_n false_o lay_v to_o my_o charge_n that_o bishop_n or_o abbot_n be_v not_o include_v in_o penal_a law_n except_o they_o be_v mention_v for_o i_o make_v no_o doubt_n but_o that_o they_o be_v include_v in_o penal_a law_n under_o such_o general_a word_n which_o denote_v no_o particular_a dignity_n order_n degree_n or_o function_n of_o christian_a man_n and_o that_o therefore_o they_o be_v include_v in_o the_o canon_n si_fw-mi quis_fw-la suadente_fw-la diabolo_fw-it and_o in_o the_o canon_n omnis_fw-la utriusque_fw-la sexus_fw-la but_o that_o which_o i_o say_v be_v that_o in_o penal_a law_n and_o odious_a matter_n bishop_n be_v not_o include_v in_o the_o general_a name_n of_o priest_n nor_o abbot_n in_o the_o general_a name_n of_o monk_n and_o for_o the_o proof_n thereof_o i_o bring_v neither_o canon_n nor_o author_n for_o that_o i_o think_v it_o so_o manifest_a that_o no_o man_n of_o any_o read_n will_v make_v doubt_n but_o that_o learned_a lawyer_n and_o divine_n do_v affirm_v the_o same_o but_o now_o find_v my_o adversary_n for_o want_v of_o read_v learning_n or_o sincerity_n to_o make_v doubt_n thereof_o i_o have_v bring_v as_o you_o have_v see_v to_o prove_v the_o same_o both_o learned_a lawyer_n and_o divine_n and_o also_o a_o canon_n of_o pope_n innocent_a himself_o who_o call_v and_o end_v this_o council_n of_o lateran_n wherein_o he_o declare_v that_o he_o do_v not_o intend_v in_o his_o commission_n to_o comprehend_v under_o a_o general_a clause_n great_a and_o worthy_a person_n when_o less_o worthy_a and_o less_o noble_a person_n be_v express_v and_o therefore_o see_v that_o i_o have_v now_o show_v he_o both_o learned_a author_n and_o also_o a_o canon_n of_o pope_n innocent_a himself_o to_o prove_v that_o bishop_n be_v not_o in_o penal_a law_n comprehend_v

19_o c._n 17._o &_o iuo_o p._n 15._o c._n 88_o vide_fw-la binium_fw-la tom_fw-mi 1._o council_n in_o notis_fw-la in_o council_n eliber_n &_o baron_fw-fr tom_fw-mi 2._o annal._n anno_fw-la 305._o in_o fine_a but_o also_o in_o time_n of_o lent_n and_o easter_n assign_v for_o the_o late_a ayeeres_n penance_n or_o to_o pay_v five_o and_o twenty_o shilling_n to_o the_o church_n or_o to_o the_o poor_a and_o in_o another_o canon_n they_o ordain_v that_o bishop_n and_o their_o minister_n 115._o minister_n burchard_n l._n 11._o c._n 67._o iuo_o p._n 14._o c._n 115._o may_v whip_v husbandman_n with_o rod_n for_o great_a crime_n to_o make_v they_o do_v penance_n against_o their_o will_n lest_o they_o may_v perish_v eternal_o in_o which_o canon_n as_o also_o in_o the_o former_a decree_n of_o the_o pope_n callixtus_n and_o vrbanus_n the_o penalty_n impose_v be_v mere_a temporal_a albeit_o there_o be_v not_o then_o as_o i_o have_v say_v any_o christian_a prince_n to_o ratify_v the_o same_o 54_o but_o this_o proof_n also_o be_v as_o insufficient_a as_o the_o former_a first_o for_o that_o many_o learned_a man_n as_o the_o reader_n may_v see_v in_o binnius_n to_o who_o mr._n fitzherbert_n remit_v he_o do_v reject_v this_o council_n and_o account_v it_o erroneous_a for_o decree_a certain_a error_n so_o melchior_n canus_n 9_o canus_n l._n 5._o de_fw-la locis_fw-la c._n 4._o bellar._n l._n 2._o de_fw-la imaginib_fw-la c._n 9_o and_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n and_o although_o baronius_n cite_v also_o by_o binnius_n excuse_v the_o father_n of_o that_o council_n yet_o for_o that_o they_o seem_v in_o diverse_a of_o their_o decree_n to_o favour_v the_o error_n of_o novatian_n which_o be_v displease_v to_o their_o successor_n his_o opinion_n be_v that_o there_o be_v no_o mention_n make_v by_o name_n of_o this_o synod_n by_o ancient_a writer_n and_o so_o it_o do_v remain_v almost_o abolish_v and_o yet_o my_o adversary_n will_v from_o this_o council_n bring_v forsooth_o a_o convince_a proof_n 55_o second_o for_o that_o these_o two_o decree_n cite_v here_o by_o mr._n fitzherbert_n be_v not_o place_v with_o the_o other_o canon_n of_o the_o council_n but_o be_v adjoin_v as_o certain_a fragment_n belong_v thereunto_o wherefore_o if_o some_o author_n as_o vasquez_n witness_v stick_v not_o to_o affirm_v 1._o vasq_fw-la 3._o part_n disp_n 105_o cap._n 2_o tom_n 1._o that_o diverse_a decree_n which_o be_v place_v among_o the_o canon_n of_o this_o council_n be_v not_o make_v by_o the_o council_n but_o by_o some_o one_o or_o other_o adjoin_v afterward_o with_o far_o great_a reason_n it_o may_v be_v say_v that_o these_o two_o decree_n which_o by_o binnius_n be_v repute_v only_o as_o fragment_n and_o not_o place_v among_o the_o rest_n of_o the_o canon_n be_v not_o make_v by_o the_o council_n but_o adjoin_v afterward_o by_o some_o one_o or_o other_o who_o burchardus_fw-la iuo_o &_o other_o follow_v do_v attribute_v they_o to_o this_o council_n in_o that_o manner_n as_o diverse_a book_n be_v attribute_v to_o s._n augustine_n s._n chrysostome_n and_o other_o father_n &_o be_v print_v among_o their_o work_n &_o under_o their_o name_n which_o be_v never_o make_v by_o they_o 56_o three_o for_o that_o some_o learned_a man_n as_o garsias_n loaisa_n interpreter_n loaisa_n who_o binnius_n in_o the_o place_n above_o cite_v call_v a_o most_o learned_a interpreter_n a_o collectour_n of_o all_o the_o counsel_n hold_v in_o spain_n be_v of_o opinion_n that_o this_o council_n be_v not_o celebrate_v in_o the_o time_n of_o constantius_n and_o galerius_n but_o after_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a in_o the_o time_n of_o constantine_n the_o great_a and_o therefore_o no_o convince_a proof_n can_v be_v bring_v from_o the_o authority_n of_o this_o council_n as_o my_o adversary_n pretend_v to_o show_v that_o in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o pagan_a emperor_n temporal_a and_o corporal_a punishment_n be_v not_o only_o command_v but_o also_o ordain_v by_o the_o church_n without_o the_o ratification_n and_o consent_n of_o any_o temporal_a prince_n see_v that_o according_a to_o the_o opinion_n of_o learned_a man_n this_o council_n be_v not_o hold_v in_o the_o time_n of_o the_o pagan_a emperor_n but_o after_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a in_o the_o time_n of_o constantine_n the_o great_a who_o as_o we_o may_v well_o suppose_v will_v ratify_v whatsoever_o the_o pastor_n of_o the_o church_n shall_v think_v expedient_a and_o necessary_a for_o the_o spiritual_a good_a thereof_o and_o the_o eternal_a salvation_n of_o soul_n 57_o but_o last_o from_o these_o two_o canon_n here_o cite_v by_o my_o adversary_n this_o only_a at_o the_o most_o can_v be_v forcible_o deduce_v that_o spiritual_a pastor_n have_v authority_n to_o impose_v command_n and_o enjoin_v temporal_a and_o corporal_a penance_n punishment_n and_o affliction_n as_o to_o abstain_v for_o certain_a day_n from_o carnal_a copulation_n and_o likewise_o to_o fast_o to_o wear_v haircloth_n to_o give_v alm_n and_o such_o like_a which_o be_v ordain_v in_o the_o first_o canon_n or_o to_o beat_v themselves_o or_o else_o to_o suffer_v themselves_o for_o their_o penance_n to_o be_v beat_v with_o rod_n which_o be_v ordain_v in_o the_o second_o canon_n and_o of_o this_o i_o never_o make_v doubt_n but_o i_o do_v ever_o grant_v that_o the_o church_n have_v authority_n by_o the_o institution_n of_o christ_n to_o impose_v enjoin_v or_o command_v temporal_a and_o corporal_a affliction_n penalty_n or_o punishment_n but_o all_o the_o difficulty_n betwixt_o my_o adversary_n and_o i_o be_v concern_v the_o coercive_v compulsive_a or_o punish_v power_n of_o the_o church_n that_o be_v if_o they_o shall_v refuse_v to_o obey_v the_o commandment_n of_o their_o pastor_n and_o will_v not_o abstain_v from_o the_o act_n of_o matrimony_n nor_o beat_v themselves_o nor_o suffer_v themselves_o to_o be_v beat_v with_o rod_n with_o what_o kind_n of_o punishment_n can_v the_o church_n by_o her_o spiritual_a authority_n which_o she_o 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ancient_a of_o these_o husbandman_n give_v thereby_o to_o understand_v that_o the_o husbandman_n who_o be_v to_o be_v whip_v by_o the_o bishop_n or_o their_o minister_n for_o penance_n be_v boy_n or_o youth_n shall_v take_v it_o in_o ill_a part_n or_o will_v therefore_o use_v any_o revenge_n or_o shall_v presume_v to_o defend_v they_o that_o they_o be_v not_o beat_v they_o shall_v be_v punish_v with_o the_o sentence_n of_o ecclesiastical_a excommunication_n wherefore_o those_o word_n of_o this_o canon_n that_o they_o may_v do_v penance_n against_o their_o will_n be_v not_o to_o be_v understand_v against_o their_o will_n simple_o and_o absolute_o by_o corporal_a force_n and_o violence_n which_o take_v away_o all_o willingness_n for_o such_o kind_n of_o penance_n or_o satisfaction_n be_v not_o acceptable_a before_o almighty_a god_n or_o of_o any_o merit_n at_o all_o before_o god_n but_o they_o be_v to_o be_v understand_v against_o their_o will_n secundum_fw-la quid_fw-la in_o some_o 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consent_n and_o authority_n of_o

whereupon_o not_o only_o the_o bishop_n but_o also_o 15._o nobleman_n of_o the_o king_n palace_n do_v subscribe_v their_o name_n to_o the_o decree_n of_o that_o council_n 12_o council_n see_v binnius_n tom_n ●_o council_n in_o conc._n tolet._n 12_o and_o the_o gloss_n itself_o expound_v those_o word_n of_o this_o canon_n praeceptum_fw-la ipsi_fw-la sesuis_fw-fr meritis_fw-la &_o a_o palatinae_fw-la dignitatis_fw-la officio_fw-la separabunt_fw-la it_o be_v a_o argument_n say_v the_o gloss_n that_o if_o any_o man_n contemn_v excommunication_n the_o secular_a judge_n or_o his_o landlord_n have_v power_n to_o deprive_v he_o of_o his_o feud_n or_o farm_n 23_o neither_o from_o any_o decree_n of_o the_o canon_n law_n or_o from_o any_o gloss_n or_o exposition_n of_o joannes_n teutonicus_n who_o gloss_v these_o decree_n collect_v by_o gratian_n can_v it_o be_v certain_o gather_v that_o the_o church_n by_o her_o spiritual_a power_n which_o she_o receive_v from_o christ_n but_o only_o by_o the_o 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church_n may_v err_v through_o ignorance_n not_o only_o in_o the_o judgement_n of_o thing_n do_v but_o also_o in_o the_o private_a precept_n and_o law_n themselves_o and_o of_o this_o conclusion_n say_v he_o pope_n innocent_n give_v a_o true_a and_o fit_a reason_n in_o cap._n a_o nobis_fw-la descent_n excom_n in_o these_o word_n the_o judgement_n of_o god_n be_v always_o ground_v upon_o truth_n which_o neither_o deceive_v nor_o be_v deceive_v but_o the_o judgement_n of_o the_o church_n do_v sometime_o follow_v opinion_n which_o oftentimes_o deceive_v and_o be_v deceive_v whereupon_o it_o happen_v sometime_o that_o he_o who_o be_v bind_v before_o god_n be_v loose_v before_o the_o church_n &_o he_o that_o be_v free_a before_o god_n be_v tie_v by_o a_o ecclesiastical_a censure_n thus_o pope_n innocent_a 12_o for_o from_o hence_o say_v canus_n it_o be_v

or_o lord_n who_o remain_v excommunicate_v for_o a_o whole_a year_n for_o neglect_v to_o purge_v their_o territory_n of_o heretical_a filth_n and_o thus_o much_o concern_v the_o apostle_n decree_n 22_o and_o the_o like_a also_o say_v mr._n fitzherbert_n 5._o fitzherbert_n pag._n 179._o nu_fw-la 4._o 5._o may_v be_v say_v concern_v other_o decree_n of_o pope_n and_o counsel_n the_o impugner_n whereof_o have_v be_v hold_v and_o condemn_v by_o the_o church_n for_o heretic_n as_o for_o example_n it_o be_v decree_v 83._o decree_v baron_fw-fr a_o 159_o euseb_n lib._n 23._o cap._n 22._o 23._o 24_o &_o 25._o theod._n lib._n 1._o c._n 9_o athan._n in_o epist_n de_fw-fr synod_n arimin_n ambros_n epist_n 83._o by_o pope_n pius_n the_o first_o and_o confirm_v by_o pope_n victor_n and_o after_o by_o the_o council_n of_o nice_a that_o the_o feast_n of_o easter_n shall_v be_v celebrate_v at_o the_o same_o time_n that_o now_o it_o be_v keep_v universal_o throughout_o christendom_n according_a to_o 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probable_o defend_v their_o opinion_n than_o he_o do_v or_o can_v defend_v he_o for_o they_o may_v say_v as_o well_o as_o he_o that_o those_o decree_n be_v not_o matter_n of_o faith_n but_o matter_n of_o fact_n only_o wherein_o both_o the_o pope_n and_o the_o counsel_n may_v follow_v their_o own_o private_a opinion_n and_o consequent_o err_v which_o be_v add_v to_o that_o which_o they_o say_v in_o defence_n of_o their_o heresy_n and_o may_v true_o say_v to_o wit_n that_o they_o follow_v the_o practice_n of_o s._n john_n the_o evangelist_n and_o of_o the_o church_n of_o asia_n 23._o euseb_n ubi_fw-la supra_fw-la beda_n lib._n 3._o hist_o cap._n 23._o which_o receive_v the_o same_o by_o tradition_n from_o he_o and_o continue_v it_o without_o interruption_n for_o 150._o year_n this_o i_o say_v will_v give_v another_o manner_n of_o probability_n to_o their_o doctrine_n than_o he_o can_v any_o way_n pretend_v for_o he_o and_o yet_o nevertheless_o they_o be_v worthy_o hold_v for_o heretic_n 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express_a precept_n and_o commandment_n but_o this_o act_n be_v not_o a_o true_a &_o proper_a decree_n contain_v in_o it_o any_o command_n grant_v or_o privilege_n as_o i_o show_v before_o and_o therefore_o we_o can_v right_o apply_v those_o argument_n which_o the_o divine_n do_v bring_v to_o prove_v the_o church_n infallible_a authority_n to_o make_v decree_n and_o precept_n concern_v manner_n to_o this_o act_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n which_o be_v not_o ground_v upon_o any_o doctrine_n appertain_v to_o faith_n but_o only_o upon_o opinion_n which_o may_v be_v expose_v to_o error_n 24_o four_o the_o quartadecimani_fw-la 12._o castro_n lib._n 12._o contra_fw-la haer_fw-mi verbo_fw-la pascha_fw-la bell._n lib._n 3._o de_fw-la cultu_fw-la sanct._n cap._n 12._o as_o you_o may_v see_v in_o alphonsus_n de_fw-fr castro_n and_o cardinal_n bellarmine_n be_v not_o account_v heretic_n for_o celebrate_v the_o feast_n of_o easter_n according_a to_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o jew_n contrary_a to_o the_o decree_n of_o the_o church_n but_o for_o that_o they_o think_v it_o necessary_a to_o celebrate_v that_o feast_n according_a to_o the_o custom_n of_o the_o jew_n which_o be_v indeed_o heretical_a and_o therefore_o that_o be_v very_o untrue_a which_o mr._n fitzherbert_n say_v that_o the_o quartadecimani_fw-la be_v worthy_o hold_v for_o heretic_n because_o they_o do_v obstinate_o refuse_v to_o obey_v those_o decree_n but_o because_o they_o refuse_v to_o obey_v they_o upon_o a_o heretical_a ground_n neither_o be_v it_o heretical_a as_o i_o have_v show_v before_o out_o of_o canus_n to_o impugn_v or_o disobey_v a_o decree_n of_o the_o church_n especial_o concern_v fact_n and_o manner_n which_o be_v not_o necessary_a to_o salvation_n unless_o it_o be_v impugn_a or_o disobey_v upon_o a_o heretical_a ground_n but_o if_o the_o decree_n be_v ground_v only_o upon_o a_o opinion_n which_o be_v expose_v to_o error_n and_o not_o upon_o a_o infallible_a point_n of_o faith_n it_o be_v not_o 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fitzherbert_n pag._n 182._o nu_fw-la 10._o 11._o it_o be_v to_o be_v consider_v that_o the_o error_n which_o may_v be_v incident_a to_o a_o definition_n or_o decree_n concern_v matter_n of_o fact_n can_v fall_v upon_o the_o decree_n or_o definition_n itself_o for_o so_o shall_v the_o error_n redound_v to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n who_o assistance_n our_o saviour_n have_v promise_v to_o the_o definition_n of_o counsel_n and_o pope_n as_o widdrington_n himself_o 1._o himself_o see_v before_o u._fw-mi 1._o grant_v but_o it_o must_v fall_v upon_o the_o execution_n of_o the_o decree_n as_o if_o some_o prince_n shall_v be_v depose_v upon_o wrong_a information_n or_o without_o due_a circumstance_n require_v in_o the_o decree_n but_o the_o question_n be_v not_o here_o of_o error_n in_o matter_n of_o fact_n of_o this_o kind_n i_o mean_v in_o the_o execution_n of_o decree_n and_o therefore_o if_o widdrington_n speak_v of_o such_o fact_n when_o he_o say_v that_o christ_n have_v not_o promise_v the_o assistance_n of_o his_o spirit_n to_o fact_n but_o to_o definition_n he_o change_v the_o question_n and_o fight_v with_o his_o own_o shadow_n affirm_v that_o which_o we_o deny_v not_o who_o speak_v only_o of_o the_o verity_n justice_n and_o equity_n of_o the_o decree_n itself_o from_o the_o which_o we_o exclude_v all_o error_n and_o injustice_n acknowledge_v the_o assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n in_o the_o make_n thereof_o in_o which_o respect_n all_o catholic_a doctor_n that_o have_v ever_o write_v have_v uniform_o teach_v hitherto_o that_o the_o church_n be_v guide_v by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n can_v err_v in_o her_o general_n decree_v make_v for_o the_o whole_a church_n touch_v either_o faith_n or_o manner_n as_o i_o will_v declare_v 12._o declare_v see_v cha._n 16._o nu_fw-la 11._o 12._o further_o hereafter_o whereupon_o i_o conclude_v that_o widdrington_n admit_v as_o he_o do_v the_o assistance_n of_o the_o holy_a ghost_n in_o the_o definition_n of_o counsel_n and_o pope_n and_o yet_o impugn_v the_o verity_n or_o justice_n of_o the_o decree_n ascribe_v error_n or_o injustice_n to_o the_o holy_a ghost_n 36_o but_o first_o whether_o a_o general_n council_n can_v err_v or_o no_o in_o her_o definition_n or_o decree_n which_o be_v make_v by_o her_o spiritual_a authority_n concern_v matter_n of_o fact_n or_o manner_n for_o that_o the_o pope_n can_v err_v even_o in_o his_o definition_n concern_v faith_n if_o he_o define_v without_o a_o general_n council_n i_o never_o intend_v to_o affirm_v it_o be_v altogether_o impertinent_a to_o the_o present_a act_n of_o the_o lateran_n council_n concern_v the_o absolve_a of_o vassal_n from_o their_o fealty_n see_v that_o this_o act_n as_o i_o contend_v be_v not_o make_v by_o her_o spiritual_a authority_n but_o by_o the_o authority_n licence_n and_o consent_n of_o temporal_a prince_n to_o the_o make_n of_o which_o decree_v no_o catholic_a author_n affirm_v that_o christ_n have_v promise_v his_o infalible_a assistance_n or_o that_o the_o church_n be_v guide_v therein_o by_o the_o holy_a ghost_n 37_o second_o albeit_o at_o this_o present_a i_o do_v not_o say_v that_o the_o church_n or_o a_o general_n council_n can_v err_v in_o her_o general_a decree_n concern_v matter_n of_o fact_n and_o manner_n yet_o i_o say_v as_o i_o say_v before_o that_o melchior_n canus_n a_o man_n of_o such_o learning_n and_o piety_n that_o mr._n fitzherbert_n dare_v not_o as_o i_o think_v accuse_v he_o of_o heresy_n do_v confident_o say_v that_o without_o danger_n of_o heresy_n it_o may_v be_v hold_v that_o the_o church_n in_o some_o such_o law_n or_o custom_n may_v err_v and_o that_o he_o dare_v not_o affirm_v it_o to_o be_v heretical_a to_o say_v that_o some_o such_o law_n or_o custom_n of_o the_o church_n be_v unjust_a and_o also_o that_o in_o manner_n not_o common_a to_o the_o whole_a church_n but_o which_o be_v refer_v to_o private_a person_n or_o church_n the_o church_n may_v err_v through_o ignorance_n not_o only_o in_o her_o 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