beliefe of any particular or determinate proposition must finally bee resolued Euery conclusion of faith as is before obserued out of Bellarmine must bee gathered in this or like Syllogisme Whatsoeuer God or the first Truth sayeth is most true But God saide all those words which Moses the Prophets and the Euangelists wrote Therefore all these are most true The Maior in this Syllogisme is an Axiome of Nature acknowledged by Turkes and Infidels nor can Christian faith be resolued into it as into a Principle proper to it selfe The Minor say our aduersaries must bee ascertained vnto vs by the Churches authority and so ascertained becomes the first and maine principle of faith as Christian whence all other particular or determinate conclusions are thus gathered Whatsoeuer the Church proposeth to vs for a diuine Reuelation is most certainly such But the Church proposeth the bookes of Moses and the Prophets finally the whole volumes of the olde and new Testament with all their partes as they are extant in the vulgar Romane Edition for diuine reuelations Therefore we must infallibly belieue they are such So likewise must wee beleeue that to bee the true and proper meaning of euerie sentence in them contained which the Church to whom it belongs to iudge of their sense shall tender vnto vs. 2 For better manifestation of the Truth wee now teach the young Reader must here bee aduised of a twofolde resolution One of the things or matters beleeued or knowne into their first parts or Elements Another of our beliefe or perswasions concerning them into their first causes or motiues In the one the most generall or remotest cause In the other the most immediate or next cause alwayes terminates the resolution The one imitates the other inuerts the order of composition so as what is first in the one is last in the other because that which is first intended or resolued vpon by him that casteth the plotte is best effected by the executioner or manuall composer In the former sense wee say mixt bodies are lastly resolued into their first Elements houses into stones timber and other ingredients particular truthes into generall maximes conclusions into their immediate praemises all absurdities into some breach of the rule of contradiction Consonantly to this interpretation of finall resolution the first verity or diuine infallibility is that into which all faith is lastly resolued For as wee saide before this is the first steppe in the progresse of true beliefe the lowest foundation whereon any Religion Christian Iewish Mahometan or Ethnicke can be built And it is an vndoubted Axiome quod primum est in generatione est vltimum in resolutione when we resolue any thing into the parts whereof it is compounded we end in the vndoing or vnfolding it where nature begunne in the composition or making of it But he that would attempt to compose it againe or frame the like aright wold terminate all his thoghts or purposes by the end or vse which is farthest from actuall accomplishment Thus the Architect frames stones and timber and layes the first foundation according to the platforme he carries in his head that hee casts proportionably to the most commodious or pleasant habitation which though last effected determines all cogitations or resolutions precedent Hence if wee take this vltima resolutio as we alwayes take these termes when we resolue our owne perswasions that is for a resolution of all doubts or demands concerning the subiect whereof wee treat A Roman Catholiques faith must according to his Principles finally bee resolued into the Churches infallibility For this is the immediate ground or first cause of any particular or determinate point of Christian faith and the immediate cause is alwayes that into which our perswasions concerning the effect is finally resolued seeing it onely can fully satisfie all demandes doubts or questions concerning it As for example if you aske why men or other terrestriall Creatures breath when fishes doe not to say they haue lungs and fishes none doth not fully satisfie all demaunds or doubts concerning this Subiect For it may iustly further be demanded what necessity there was the one should haue lungs rather then the other If here it bee answered that men and other perfect terrestiall creatures are so full of feruent bloud that without a cooler their owne heare would quickly choake them and in this regard the God of nature who did not make them 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 or giue them life in vaine to bee presently extinct did with it giue them lungs by whose respiration their naturall temper should be continued This answere doth fully satisfie all demands concerning the former effect For no man of sense would further question why life should be preserued whose preseruation immediately depends vpon respiration or exercise of the lungs is therfore the immediate cause of both and that whereunto all our perswasions concerning the former subiect are lastly resolued Or if it should bee demanded why onely man of all other creatures hath power to laugh to say he were indued with reason doth not resolue vs for a Philosophical wit would further question Why should reasonable substances haue this foolish faculty rather then others A good Philosopher would perswade vs the spirites which serue for instruments to the rationall part are more nimble subtle and so more apt to produce this motion then the spirites of any other creatures are But this I must professe resolues not me for how nimble or subtle soeuer they be vnlesse man had other corporeall Organes for this motion the spirits alone could not produce it and all organicall parts are framed for the operation or exercise of the faculty as their proper end Whence hee that would finally resolue the former probleme must assigne the true finall cause why reasonable substances more then others should stand in need of this motion Now seeing vnto reason onely it is proper to forecast danger and procure sorrow and contristation of heart by preconceit of what yet is not but perhaps may bee it was requisite that our mortality through reason obnoxious to this inconuenience should bee able to correct this contristant motion by the contrary and haue a faculty to conceiue such pleasant obiects as might dilatate the heart and spirites that as man hurts his body by conceited sorrow whereto no other Creature is subiect so he might heale it againe by a kind of pleasance whereof hee alone is capable 3 Answerable to this latter acception of finall resolution if you demaund a Romane Catholike why hee beleeues there is a Trinity there shall bee a resurrection or life euerlasting his answere would be because God or the first verity hath said so but this doth not fully satisfie for wee might further question him as hee doth vs why doe you belieue that God did say so Here it sufficeth not to say This truth is expresly taught in Canonicall Scriptures for the doubt whereby hee hopes
glorifie thy name c. sect 3. c. 11. p. 16. 12 30 This voice came not because of me c ibid. 12 32 If I were lift vp from the Earth c ibid. p. 17. 12 44 Hee that beleeueth in mee beleeueth not in mee but in him c ibid. p. 16. 12 48 And receiueth not my words hath one that iudgeth him c ibid. 12 49 50 For I haue not spoken of my selfe c ibid. 14 29 Now I haue spoken vnto you before it come ibid. 15 14 Yee are my friendes if yee doe whatsoeuer I command c sect 3. c. 6 p. 3. 16 4 These thinges haue I told you that when the houre shall come c sect 3. c. 11 p. 16. 16 30 Now know wee that thou knowest all things c. ibid. p. 15. 21 15 Feed my lambes sec 2. c. 6. p. 7. 21 18 Verily verily I say vnto thee when thou which wast yong c. ibid p. 8 21 16 Feed my sheep ibid. p. 8. Acts. 2 15 YEe men of Iudea and yee all c. sect 2 chap. 6 p. 6. 3 12 To the 13 verse of the 4 chap. ibid. 3 23 For it shall be that euery person which shall not hear that Prophet c. sect 3 chap. 12 p. 22. Et sect 3 c. 11 p. 1 3 26 Vnto you hath God raised vp his Sonne c. sect 3 chap. 11 p. 21 10 34 I perceiue of truth that God is not an accepter of persons sect 3 c. 9 p. 6 13 27 For the Inhabitants of Ierusalem and their Rulers because they knew him not c. sec 3 c. 11 p. 21 13 33 Thou arte my Sonne this day c. ibid. p. 22 13 46 Then Paul and Barnabas spake boldly and said It was necessarie that the word of God c. sect 2 c. 6 p. 6 17 2 And Paul as his manner was went in vnto them three Sabboth daies disputed c. sect 3 c. 14 p. 1 17 11 They receiued the word with all readinesse c. ibid. 26 22 I obtained help of God and continued vnto this day c. ibid. p. 4 26 26 For these things were not done in a corner c. sect 3 c. 11 p 22 Romans 7 18 TO will is present with me c. sect 3 c. 3 p. 5 10 9 If thou shalt confesse with thy mouth the Lord Iesus c. sect 2 c. 7 p. 7 8 10 11 Whosoeuer beleeues in him shall not bee ashamed c. ibid. Corinthians 1 c. 2 15 BVt hee that is spirituall discerneth all things c. sect 3 c. 14 p. 4 1 c. 3. 5 6 7 8 9 Who is Paul then And who is Apollos but the Ministers by whom c. sect 2 c. 4 p. 15 1 c. 3. 11 For other foundation can no man lay sect 2 c. 7 p. 7 1 c. 4. 1 2 Let a man so thinke of vs as of disposers of the secrets c. sect c. 4 p 14 1 c. 7. 10. Vnto the married cōmand not I but the Lord c. sect 3 c. 9 p. 6 1 c. 11. 26 27 28 29 As often as yee shall eate this bread c. sect 2 c. 4 p. 15 1 c. 11. 34 Other things will I set in order when I come c. ibid. 2 c. 8. 13 If meat offend my Brother I will eate none c. sect 2 c. 4 p. 21 Galatians 1 8 THough Wee or an Angel from heauen preach c. sect 3 c. 7 p. 7. 2 7 When they said the Gospell ouer the circumcision was committed c. sect 2 c. 6. p. 4 Ephesians 2 20 WE are built vpon the Foundation of the Apostles c. sect 2 c. 7 p. 15 5 32 This is a great secret but I speake concerning Christ c. sect 2 c. 4 p. 14 Colossians 3 20 CHildren obey your parents in all things c. Sect. 3 c. 1 p. 16 Thessalonians 2 c. 8. 11 THerefore GOD shall send them strong c. sect 4 c. 7 2 c. 2. 4 Hee sits as God in the Temple c. sect 2 c. 7 p. 22. Hebrewes 3 1 2 3 4 COnsider the Apostle high Priest of our profession c. sect 3. chap. 6 p. 2 9 22 Without shedding of bloud is no remission c. sect 2 c. 4 p. 18 10 28 He that despiseth Moses Law dyeth without mercie vnder two or three witnesses c. sect 3 c. 11 p. 18 11 12 Therefore sprang their Euen of one c. sect 3 chap. 12 p. 22. Peter 1 c. 5. 1 2 3 THe elders which are amongst you I beseech which am also an Elder c. sect 12 c. 6 p. 10 2 c. 1. 17 He receiued of God the Father honor and glorie c. sect 3 c. 11 p. 16 2 c. 1. 14 Seeing I know that the time is at hand that I must lay downe c. sect 3 c. 13 p. 1 2 c. 1. 16 When he opened vnto them the power and comming of Christ c ibid. p. 2 2 c. 1. 19 Wee haue also a most sure word of the Prophets to the which ye doe well that ye take heede ibid. Iohn 1 c. 4. v. 3 EVery spirit which cōfesseth not that Iesus Christ sect 2 c. 7 p. 13. Reuelation 1 3 BLessed is hee that readeth and they that hear the word c. sec 2 c 8 p 4 13 4 5 6 7 The beast which had his power from the Dragon c. sect 3. c. 12. p. 4. A Table of the seuerall Sections and Chapters in the Booke following SECTION I. COntaining the Assertions of the Romish Church whence her threefold blasphemie springs page 1. In the marginall note parag 10. for Petrum a voto reade Petrum a Soto In the marginall note para 13. for propter leges read praeter leges Margine parag 13. propriae virtutis suae reade propria SECTION II. The first branch of Romish blasphemie in preferring humane authoritie before Diuine Pag. 10. CHAP. I. Bellarmines replie to the maine obiection ioyntly vrged by all Reformed Churches against the Romish the Equiuocation which he sought in the Obiection apparently found in his Replie pag. 10. CHAP. II. Inferring the generall conclusion proposed in the Title of this Section from Bellarmines resolution of faith pag. 15. In the marginall note parag 9. for for the same grounds reade from the same grounds Marg. parag 1. dele si CHAP. III. Containing a further Resolution of the Romish faith necessarily inferring the authoritie of the Romane Church to be of greater authoritie then Gods word absolutely not onely in respect of vs pag. 24. CHAP. IIII. That in obeying the Romish Churches Decrees we doe not obey Gods word as well as them but them alone in contempt of Gods principall Lawes pag. 28. In the marginall note parag 13. putamus reade non putamus CHAP. V. Propounding what possibly can bee said on our aduersaries behalfe for auoiding the force of the former Arguments shewing withall the speciall points that lie vpon them to
proue as principally whether their beliefe of the Churches authoritie can bee resolued into any diuine testimonie pag. 46. CHAP. VI. That neither our Sauiours Prayers for the not failing of Peters faith Luke 22. 32. nor his commending his sheepe vnto his feeding Iohn 21. 15. prooue any Supremacie in Peter ouer the Church from which the authoritie of the Pope can with probabilitie be deriued p. 49. CHAP. VII That Christ not S. Peter is the Rocke spoken of Matth. 16. 18. that the Iesuites Exposition of that place demonstrateth the Pope to be the great Antichrist pag. 64. In the marginall note parag 24. for That Romish faith is that faith reade that Romish faith is not that faith In the marginall note parag 31. for a paralile reade a paralell In the marginall note parag 3. for Plinius reade Pintus Parag. 22. for melang reade felang CHAP. VIII That the Romanists beliefe of the Churches in fallible authoritie cannot bee resolued into any testimonie better then humane whence the maine conclusion immediatly followes That the Romanist in obeying the Church-decrees without examination of them by Gods word preferre mans Lawes before Gods pag. 89. CHAP. IX In what sence the Iesuites may truely denie they beleeue the words of man better then the words of God In what sence againe our Writers truely charge them with this blasphemie pag. 99. SECTION III. CHAP. I. What restraint precepts for obedience vnto the Priests of the Law though seeming most vniuersall for their forme did necessarily admit How vniuersall Propositions of Scriptures are to be limited pag. 105. In the marginall note parag 3. for suscitaturus read sciscitaturus CHAP. II. The authoritie of the Sanhedrim not so vniuersal or absolute amongst the Iewes as the Papists make it but was to bee limited by the former Rules pag. 119. In the marginall note parag 2. for sarcedotem reade sacerdotem Margine parag 11. for Canala reade Cabala CHAP. III. That our Sauiours iniunction of obedience to the Scribes and Pharisees though most vniuersall for the forme is to be limited by the former rules that without open blasphemie it cannot be extended to countenance the Romish cause that by it we may limit other places brought by them for the Popes transcendent vniuersall authoritie pag. 128. In the marginall note parag 11. quae ad populi salutem fuit reade vt quae ad populi salutem sint CHAP. IIII. What it would disaduantage the Romish Church to denie the infallibilitie of the Synagogue pag. 139. Mar. par 3. inueniebant read inueniebantur negat read negatur CHAP. V. That iustly it may be presumed the Iewish Church neuer had any absolute infallibitie in proposing or determining Articles of faith because in our Sauiours time it did so grieuously erre in the fundamentall point of saluation pag. 142. Mar. par 2. darmauit read damnauit sunt enim read sicut enim CHAP. VI. That Moses had no such absolute authoritie as is now ascribed vnto the Pope That the manner of his attaining to such as he had excludes all besides our Sauiour from iust challenge of the like pag. 151. CHAP. VII That the Churches authoritie was no part of the rule of faith vnto the people after Moses death That by experiments answerable vnto the precepts and predictions the faithfull without relying vpon the Priests infallible proposalls were as certaine both of the diuine truth and true meaning of the law as their forefathers had beene that liued with Moses and saw his miracles pag. 159. CHAP. VIII That the societie or visible companie of Prophets had no such absolute authoritie as the Romish Church vsurpes pag. 169. CHAP. IX That the Church representatiue amongst the Iewes was for the most part the most corrupt iudge of matters belonging to God and the reason why it was so pag. 178. CHAP. X. That the Soueraigntie giuen by Iesuits to the Pope is greater then our Sauiours was pag. 186. CHAP. XI Confirming the truth deliuered in the former Chapter from the very Law giuen by Moses for discerning the great Prophet further exemplifying the vse and force of miracles for begetting faith The manner of trying prophesies Of the similitude betwixt Christ and Moses p. 197 In the marginall note par 19. for for sorcerie reade from sorcerie CHAP. XII That the method vsed by the great Prophet himselfe after his resurrection for planting faith was such as we teach The excesse of Antichrists exaltation aboue Christ The Diametrall opposition betwixt the spirit of God and the spirit of the Papacie pag. 221. CHAP. XIII That the authoritie attributed to the present Pope and the Romish rule of faith were altogether vnknowne vnto Saint Peter the opposition betwixt S. Peters and his pretended successors doctrine pag. 226. CHAP. XIIII That S. Paul submitted his doctrine to examination by the wordes before written That his doctrine disposition and practise were quite contrarie to the Romanists in this argument pag. 232. CHAP. XV. A briefe taste of our aduersaries blasphemous and Atheisticall assertions in this argument from some instances of two of their greatest Doctors Bellarmine and Valentian That if faith cannot be perfect without the solemne testification of that Church the raritie of such testifications will cause infidelitie pag. 239. SECTION IIII. Containing the third branch of Romish blasphemie or the last degree of great Antichrists exaltation vtterly ouerthrowing the whole foundation of Christian Religion preposterously inuerting both Law and Gospell to Gods dishonor and aduancement of Sathans Kingdome pag. 245. CHAP. I. The Iesuits vnwillingnesse to acknowledge the Churches proposall for the true cause of his faith of differences and agreements about the finall resolution of faith either amongst the aduersaries themselues or betwixt vs and them p. 245. CHAP. II. That the Churches proposall is the true immediate and prime cause of all absolute beliefe any Romanist can haue concerning any determinate diuine reuelation p. 249. CHAP. III. Discouering either the grosse ignorance or notorious craft of the Iesuit in denying his faith is finally resolued into the Churches veracitie or infallibilitie that possibly it cannot be resolued into any branch of the first truth pag. 256. Mar. par 3. faith reade the Romanists faith CHAP. IIII. What manner of causall-dependance Romish beliefe hath on the Church that the Romanist truly and properly beleeues the Church only not God or his Word pag. 268. CHAP. V. Declaring how the first maine ground of Romish faith leads directly vnto Atheisme the second vnto preposterous Heathenisme or Idolatrie pag. 277. Mar. par 12. efferunt reade afferunt CHAP. VI. Prouing the last assertion or generally the imputations laid vpon the Papacie by that authoritie the Iesuites expresly giue vnto the Pope in matters of particular fact as in the Canonizing of Saints pag. 294. CHAP. VII What danger by this blasphemous doctrine may accrew to Christian States that of all heresies blasphemies or idolatries which haue beene since the world beganne or can be imagined till Christ come to iudgment
which the authority of the Pope cannot with probability be deriued 1. IS it then probable our Sauiors praiers for Saint Peter did collate any authority vpon him either oecumenicall for extent or souereigne for others dependence on it or absolutely and perpetually infallible for time without integritie of life or other condition besides such cathedrall consultation as is required in the Pope to support it Rather the proper effect they aymed at was an extraordinary assistance in the practise of such points as already had been or afterwards should be reuealed vnto him Our Sauiour while he vttered them did cleerely foresee all his followers should be sifted by Sathan he that professed greatest loue and resolution more then all the rest in such fearefull sort that without this promised supportance his faith had vtterly fayled which though afterwards it proued much stronger by this shaking yet whether stronger then was any of his fellowes is vncertaine most vnfit to be disputed Howsoeuer no circumstance in that place prognosticates or aboods such extraordinary future strength rather all suppose for the present a peculiar necessity of his Masters prayers for him as foreseeing his tripping to vse the mildest censure would be so dangerous as the memoriall of his recouery might be a perpetuall incouragement to all back sliders against distrust of Gods mercies No man so sit to raise vp such as are fallen or wallow in the filth of sinne as he that hath firmely apprehended grace from aboue or rather is so apprehended by it and yet can withall out of a sincere and humble acknowledgement of his relapses stoop lower then others in spirituall graces his inferiors and as it were let himselfe into the pit of despaire wherein sinners lie linking their present frailty in his owne forepassed infirmities It much disagrees with my temper euer to exaggerate the sinnes of Gods Saints yea I thinke the deniall of Christ was lesse sinfull in Saint Peter then the like would be in many others that haue receiued lesse grace because the temptation was aboue measure extraordinary permitted no doubt to this end that he might be a more faithfull comforter of his brethren whose faith was feeble crazed or decayed He that hopes with fruite to reprehend or exhort men much daunted or ashamed at the fowlenesse of their offences must as farre as truth will suffer him acknowledge himselfe to be a sharer in his owne reproofes to haue been sometimes tainted with the originall of their present griefe for so the parties grieued will be lesse iealous and conceit the medicine better Thus the royall host in the Poet cheeres vp his Princely guest amated at the mention of his infamous ancestors Ne perge queri casusque priorum Annumerare tibi Nostro quoque sanguine multum Errauit pietas nec culpa nepotibus obstet Tu modo dissimilis rebus mereare secundis Excusare tuas Did Parents shame their children staine sweet Prince thy case were mine For Piety sometimes her course did alter from our line The blemish though did not descend Let vertue be thy guide So shall thy same thy Parents faults though fowle and monstrous hide 2. By these and like circumstances may our Sauiors words But I haue prayed for thee that thy faith faile not Therefore when thou art conuerted strengthen thy brethren be construed most appositely to his meaning What was it then Peter was to strengthen in others That which had been defectiue in himselfe Was that his charity his faith or both Wee reade sayth Bellarmine Peters charity did faile that his faith did faile wee neuer read In vaine then doth Bellarmine in vaine do all his fellowes labour to proue our Sauiour should in these words ratifie a perpetually indeficient puritie of Roman faith for Peter was to repaire in others what had been impaired in himselfe to preuent if it were possible the like fall in such as did or to themselues did seeme to stand to conuert restore and strengthen such as in like or worse sort had denyed their Redeemer With much greater probability might the Romanists seeke to establish a perpetuall indeficient Christian charity in Peters successors had Peters loue or charity only failed But the bad liues and manners of the Roman Clergie would giue too manifest euidence against them in this attempt In this respect haue these stout challengers taken vpon them the defence of a neuer failing faith because not so easily confuted For it is a matter very hard I must confesse to prooue that faith can neuer faile which may deny Christ so formally and constantly as Peters did without defect The best is that by their owne confession this place can proue the acts or exercises of Romane faith to be no better then S. Peters was in this deniall of Christ His offence they grant was foule but his faith without defect So may Popes be monstrously luxurious in their liues but alwaies infallible in their Doctrine Reader consult with thine owne heart and giue sentence as in the sight of God of the whole frame of their Religion by the foundation and of the foundation such as they willingly acknowledge faith to be of all true Religion and euerie Christian vertue by Bellarmines testimonie If Peter became as they pretend the fundamentall rocke by confessing that Religion doubtles which hath no better ground of infallibilitie then Peters faith not secured from a threefold deniall of Christ our Confession was first planted by the Spirit of error and of Antichrist 3 Not to dispute any longer what it was but who they were Saint Peter was to strengthen all without exceptions This iustly may seeme impossible seeing the exercise of his Ministerie could not extend to all Nations much lesse vnto all ages Yet these wordes bequeath no hereditarie royall iurisdiction ouer all persons but rather inioyne personall acts of penetencie vnto Saint Peter for his former personall offence He had found extraordinarie mercie at his Lord and Masters hands and was to communicate the like vnto his fellow seruants more guiltie of his offence Christ after his faith had failed did conuert and strengthen him against the like temptation and he conuerted was commanded to conuert and strengthen others Whom Not such as by conuersion might become his brethren or rather his children in Christ but rather such as were hewen out of the same roke and could truly call Abraham their father Sira their Mother ioinct professors with him of Moses Law and the Prophets more then his brethren and associates in denying him of whom Moses and all the Prophets bare testimonie 4 To subtract all matter of calumniation from men too much disposed to cauill without any probable cause or iust occasion notwithstanding his threefold deniall of Christ I denie not a triple or quadruple prerogatiue in Peter in respect of Christs other Apostles yet consisting not in any authoritie more infallible in it selfe or more soueraigne for superioritie ouer such as were to depend vpon him as
diuersitie of reason in these two consequences ariseth from the diuerse manner of seeing colours by the Sunnes light and beleeuing Scriptures by the Church which wee are now to gather from this short catechisme contayning the summe of Roman faith CHAP. V. Declaring how the first maine ground of Romish faith leads directly vnto Atheisme the second vnto preposterous Heathenisme or Idolatry 1 IT is a prety sophisme as a iudicious and learned Diuine in his publike exercise for his first degree in Diuinity late well obserued wherewith the Iesuite deludes the simple making them belieue their faith otherwise weake and vnsetled is most firme and certaine if it haue once the visible or representatiue Churches confirmation when as the Church so taken seldome or neuer instructs or confirms any at least not the hundred thousandth part of them vnto whose saluation such confirmation is by Iesuiticall perswasions most absolutely necessary But suppose the visible Church or Romish Consistory the Pope his Cardinals should vouchsafe to catechize any the Dialogue betweene them and the catechized would thus proceed Cons. Doe yee beleeue these sacred volumes to bee the word of God Catech. Wee doe Cons. Are you certaine they are Catech. So wee hope Cons. How can your hope bee sure for Mahomet saith His Alchoran is sundry other heretikes say their fained reuelations or false traditions are Gods word How can you assure vs yee may not bee deceiued as well as they Are not many of them as good Schollers as you Catech. Yes indeed and better Cons. Are not you subiect vnto error as well as they Cat. Would God wee were not Cons. What must you doe then to be ascertained these are diuine Reuelations Cat. Nay wee know not but this is that which wee especially desire to know and would binde our selues in any bond to such as could teach vs. Cons. Well said doe yee not thinke it reason then to bee ruled in this case by such as cannot bee deceiued Cat. It is meete wee should Cons. Loe wee are the men wee are the true visible Church placed in authority by Christ himselfe for this purpose These Scriptures tell you plainely as much Tues Petrus super hanc Petram c. His Holinesse whom here you see is Peters Successor sole heire of that promise far more glorious then the Iewish Church euer had any 2 This is the very quintessence and extraction of huge and corpulent volumes written in this argument which our English Mountibankes sent hither from the Seminaries venditate as a Paracelsian medicine able to make men immortall The summe of all others write or they alledge is this Euery one may pretend what writings hee lists to bee the word of God who shall bee the infallible Iudge eyther of written or vnwritten reuelations Must not the Church for shee is Magistra Iudex fidei These are the words and this is the very Argument wherein Valentians soule it seemes did most delight hee vseth them so oft But to proceed the parties chatechized thus by the visible Church it selfe should any Protestant enter Dialogue with them how they know those receiued scriptures to be the word of God could answere I trow sufficiently to this question thus Mary sir woe know better then you for we heard the visible Church which cannot erre say so with our owne eares Prot. You are most certaine then that these are the Oracles of God because the visible church Gods liuing oracle did beare testimony of them Catech. Yea Sir and their testimony is most infallible Prot But what if you doubt againe of their infallibilities How will you answere this obiection Mahomet saith his Alcoran is scripture the Turkish Priestes will tell you as much viua voce and shew you if you bee disposed to belieeue them eâ—ident places therein for his infallibility Manes could say that hee had diuine reuelations The Pope pretends hee hath this infallibility which neither of them had Who shall iudge the Consistory But why should you thinke they may not erre as well as others Did they shew you any euidence out of scriptures or did they bring you to such entire acquaintance with their publike spirit as to approue your selues diuine Critickes of all questions concerning the Canon as oft as any doubt should arise Catech. Oh no these audacious Criticismes of priuat men they vtterly detest and forewarned vs vpon paine of damnation to beware of For there is no priuate person but may erre and for such to iudge of Scriptures were presumption iustly damnable Rely they must for this reason vpon the churches infallibility and that continually It alone cannot without it all others may erre as well as Manes Mahomet Nestorius or Eutyches vndoubtedly belieuing it cannot erre wee our selues are as free from error as he that followes such good counsell giuen by others as hee cannot giue himselfe is more secure then hee that altogether followes his owne aduise albeit better able to counsell others then the former Prot. Then I perceiue your onely holde-fast in all temptations your onely anchor when any blasts of vaine doctrine arise is this The present Remish Church cannot erre for if you doubt of any doctrine taught to the contrary aske her and shee will resolue you or if you cannot see the truth in it selfe yet belieue without all wauering as shee belieues that sees it and you shall bee as safe as if you roade in the harbour in a storme Catech. Ah yes Gods holy name bee praysed who hath so well prouided for his church for otherwise heretickes and schismatikes would shake and tosse her euen in this maine point or ground of faith as euill spirits doe ships in tempests wee must eyther holde this fast sure or else all is gone God hath left off speaking vnto men and wee cannot tell whether euer hee spake to them or no but as the present church which speakes viua voce tels vs. 3 But the Reader perhaps expects what inconuenience wil hence follow First hereby it is apparant that beliefe of Scriptures diuine Truth and their true sense absolutely and immediately depends vpon the churches proposall or rather vpon their beliefe of what it proposeth as well after they are confirmed in that generall point That they are Gods word as in the instant of their confirmation in it The first necessary consequence of which opinioâ— is That the church must bee more truely and properly beleeued then any part of Scripture or matter contained in it For in this manner of dependance that transcendent rule of nature 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 hath it proper force Whether wee speake of the Essence Existence or quality of things being or existing that vpon which any other thing thus absolutely and continually depends doth more properly really exist and hath much firmer interest in it essence and existence then ought can haue which depends vpon it One there is and no more that can truely say my Essence is mine owne and my
owne conceipt or sense against that sense or meaning which the holy Church our Mother to whom it belongs to iudge of the true sense and interpretation of sacred writ heretofore hath held or now doth hold albeit hee neuer purpose to publish such interpretations 8 It is further added in the same place because I take it had beene specified a Synode before that no man shall dare to interpret Scriptures against the vnanimous consent of Fathers Which I thinke were impossible for any man to doe though were it possible few or none would attempt besides the Papists For neither can it be knowne what all of them hold in most places wher vpon are grounded controuersies of greatest moment and in such as wee haue best plentie of their interpretations albeit they doe not contentiously dissent yet absolutely agree each with other they doe not Euen one and the same Father oftimes thinkes of many interpretations sundrie alike probable most of them vnwilling by their peremptorie determinations one way or other to preiudice the industrious search of others though their farre inferiours for finding out some more commodious then any they bring oftentimes intimating their doubts or imperfect coniectures in such manner as if they would purposely incourage their successors to seeke out some better resolution then they could finde Whence it is euident that we should not alwayes interprete Scriptures against the ioint consent of Fathers albeit wee went against all the particular interpretations which they haue brought because they were more desirous to haue the truth fully sifted then their coniecturall probabilities infallibly beleeued Nor were it possible more to contradict most of them then by following their interpretations vpon such strict tearmes as the Romanists would binde all men to doe when they seeme to make for their aduantage Not the least surmise or coniecture of any one Father but if it please them must suffice against the ioinct authoritie of all the rest For in all the three points aboue mentioned they admit the Church as may appeare from the decrees cited for a Iudge so absolute That no man may imbrace any opinion vpon what grounds or probabilities soeuer but with humble submission to her censure Whatsoeuer she shall inioyne in all or any of these points albeit we haue reasons many and strong not to hold it to hold not one besides her bare authoritie yet must all beleeue it alone as absolutely as if wee had the apparant vnanimous consent of Fathers yea of Prophets Apostles or Euangelists and all good writers in euery age 9 Hence Bellarmine reiects as dissonant to the former decree this resolution of Luther That albeit the Pope and Councell conclude points of faith yet haue priuate men a free arbitrement so farre as it concernes themselues whether they may safely beleeue their conclusions or no. Luther giues two reasons for his assertion both most forcible The one because the Pope shall not answere for priuate men at the houre of their death The other because none are competent Iudges of false Doctrines but men spiritually minded when as it often fals out that in their Councels there cannot be found one man much lesse a maior part of men without which how many soeuer there were all were as none that hath any the least relish of the Diuine Spirit The like assertion doth the Iesuit condemne in Brentius 10 It is not lawfull saith Brentius for any man in a point of saluation so to relie vpon anothers sentence as to imbrace it without interposition of his owne iudgement The reason is there intimated because euerie man is to be immediately iudged by his own conscience and may for auoiding the iust censure of condemnation by it safely disclaime their opinions the execution of whose sentence or bodily punishment hee may not decline seeing they are as was obserued before publique and lawfull yet fallible Iudges of controuersies in Religion And Bellarmine bewrayes either grosse ignorance or great skill in wrangling when he exclaimes against this position of Brentius as absurd and repugnant to it selfe That the supreme Magistrate or publique Iudges may bee bound to command where the subiect or inferiour is not bound to obey For as well the Prince in commanding as the people in obeying must follow whither their consciences lead them Both may and in case they disagree the one or other cannot but erre in the precedent information of their consciences and herein properly doth their sinne consist not in doing what erroneous conscience vpon so strict tearmes as penaltie of eternall death doth vncessantly vrge them to 11 The people saith Canus did absolutely not vpon condition beleeue God and his seruant Moses and vnlesse men so beleeue the Church they mak it of no authoritie Nor is it enough to beleeue it to be infallible in points of moment or such as might ouerthrow faith vnlesse it bee acknowledged so absolutely inerrable in al as it cannot either beleeue or teach amisse in any question of faith for if in any seeing there is one and the same reason of all it might aswell faile in receiuing some books indeed not such for Canonicall and Diuine Whereupon it would follow that this argument would not follow The Church acknowledgeth Saint Matthewes Gospel for Canonicall therefore it is Canonicall The deniall of which consequence is most impious and absurd in this mans censure fully consonant to Valent. before cited That Scripture which is commended vnto vs and expounded by the authoritie of the Church is now euen in this respect because the Church commends it most authentique 12 Vnto these and farre more grosse conclusions all their moderne Writers for ought I can find thinke themselues bound by the former decrees of the Trent Councell But what if any should dissent from these great Champions in the interpretation of it Who should iudge betwixt them or whither were they to repaire for resolution To the place which God hath chosen to wit to the Sea Apostolicall or in other tearmes to Rome So saith the Pope that confirmed this Councell As if there were onely a translation of the Sea none of the Priesthood sometimes established in Ierusalem where all were to worship And if Rome haue that place in Christendome which Ierusalem had in Iewrie the Pope must be such a Lord to all Christians as Hee that dwelt betwixt the Cherubins was to the Israelites both their answeres of like authoritie 13 But when we repaire to Rome who shall there determine what the Councell meant the Pope alone or with his Cardinals with his Cardinals if he please himselfe alone without them or any other if he list all after as he shall find himselfe disposed to vse his ordinary or plenary power by the former of which answerable to Gods working with natural agēts he determines of matters by the vsuall course of lawes prouided for that purpose vsing the aduise or councell of his assistants by the other correspondent to
indeterminate sence seeing this is a Maxim vnquestionable amongst al such as haue any notion of a Dietie Whatsoeuer God hath spoken is most true in that sense wherein he meant it But if we descend to any determinate speeches written or vnwritten either acknowledged or supposed for Gods Word or such as can but ground any possible question whether they are Gods Words or no the present Romish Church doth take vpon her absolutely to iudge of all and euerie part of them For this is the very abstract or abridgement of that infinite prerogatiue which she challengeth all men must infallibly beleeue that to be Gods Word which she commends that not to be his Word which she disclaimes for such So as onely the former transcendent and indeterminate truth Whatsoeuer God saith is true is exempt from the Popes vnlimited transcendent roiall sentence no other word or syllable of truth which wee can imagine God hath or might haue spoken since the World began either by his owne or his sonnes mouth by the Ministery of his Angels Prophets Apostles or Euangelists but is euery way absolutely subiect to the Popes Monarchichall censure 5 And heere let not the Reader mistake it as any argument of our aduersaries ingenuity that they will for their owne aduantage vouchsafe to grant what no heathen Idolater did euer deny Whatsoeuer God saith is true For vnlesse this were granted by all the Pope could haue no possible grounds of pretence or claime to his absolute infallibility or infinite supremacie ouer all And that which his hirelings seeke to build vpon the former foundation is Whatsoeuer the Pope hath said or shall say ex cathedra is most true because if we descend to any determinate truthes wee must beleeue that God hath spoken all and onely that which the Pope hath alreadie testified or when any question ariseth shall testifie he hath spoken In fine the present Pope by their positions is Gods onely liuing mouth onely alsufficient to iustifie or authentically witnesse all his wordes past all which without him are vnto vs as dead Whence they must of necessitie admit the same proportion betwixt the present Popes and Gods acknowledged written word or supposed vnwritten veritie which in ciuill matters we make betwixt acredible mans personall auouchment or liuing testimonie of what he hath seene heard or knowne by vndoubted experience and another mans heresay report either of the matters he spake of his speeches themselues or their true sence and meaning after his death For the Prophets Apostles and Euangelists to vse their words are dead and Christ is absent so as we can neither be certaine what they haue spoken or what they meant in their supposed speeches but per viuam vocem Ecclesiae by the liuing voice of the present visible Church whose words are altogether as vnfallible as Gods owne words were And for this reason must bee acknowledged a most absolute Iudge of Gods written and vnwritten words aswell of their Spirituall sence and meaning as of their outward frame or visible character This is the height of their iniquitie and will inferre more then our purposed conclusion in this Section That euen of such places as are acknowledged by them for Gods Word we mus not beleeue any determinate sence or meaning but what the Pope shall expressely giue or may be presumed to allow of 6 This Doctrine as I would request the Reader to obserue brings the second and third person in Trinitie on the one partie and the Pope on the other to as plaine and euident competition for Rule or Soueraigntie ouer professed Christians faith as God and Baal were at in Elias time This ther Doctrine thus in shew grounded vpon indeed and issue most opposite to Scriptures is the true Spirituall Inquisition house whereof that materiall or bodily one is but a Tipe These following are the ioynts or limmes of that racke of conscience whereunto all such as are or would bee true members of Christ but willing withall to hold their Vnion with the Pope as Visible head of the Church are daily and howerly subiect First their soules are tied by surest bondes of faith and nature vnto this principle Whatsoeuer God hath said is most true the Iesuites againe seeke to fasten their faith and conscience as strongly vnto this God speakes whatsoeuer the Pope speakes ex cathedra This third likewise must be beleeued as an Oracle of God euen by Papists for the Pope hath spoken it ex cathedra The Bookes of Moses the Prophets the foure Euangelists are Gods Wordes VVhatsoeuer these haue spoken we contend all should beleeue for Gods own Word vpon such groundes as Saint Peter did from experience of their life-working sence communicate vnto them by hearing reading meditating or practize But the Pope vpon some controuersies arising propounds a sence of these writings or of some part of them quite contrarie to that which brought the former comfort to our soules a sence to all vnpartiall sences contradictorie to the places iointly acknowledged for Gods Word A sence the more wee thinke on in sobrietie the more wee dislike a sence the more earnestly we pray to God for his Spirits assistance and other good meanes for the right vnderstanding of his Word and encrease of faith the more stil we distaste and loath Here vnlesse we let goe some one or more of the mentioned holdfasts of faith either the first Whatsoeuer God saith is true or the second Whatsoeuer the Pope saith God saith or the third The Mosaicall Euangelicall and Apostolicall writings or those particular places about whose sence the controuersie is were spoken by God our soules are put to more violent torture then Rauilaicks bodie was But the true Papists are wise enough to slippe the third or last so as it shall not pinch them and haue a tricke withal to make the First yeeld what way they please who are resolued to follow what way soeuer it shall please the Popes authoritie whereunto their soules indeede are onely tied to lead them But of such as euer had or hope to haue any tast or relish of Gods Spirit should resolue absolutely to beleeue his interpretation of any place of Scripture contrarie to that life-working sence which must bee in euery heart endued with hope of seeing God that mans disloialtie towards God and his Holy Spirit is as impudent as if a poore subiect should reply vnto his Prince commanding him in expresse termes to doe thus or so I will not beleeue your wordes haue any such meaning as they naturally import but a contrarie such as one of my fellow seruants hath alreadie acquainted mee withall whatsoeuer you say I know your meaning is I should beleeue him in al things concerning your will and pleasure and whatsoeuer he shall enioyne that will doe 8 thâ—â— neither the Church can prooue the Scriptures nor the Scriptures the Churches authoritie was proued in the fourth SectioÌ„ of the former Book that such as hold this damnable doctrine
and the Churches not all in all For vnto that which men cannot know whether it bee true or false they cannot be bound to yeeld absolute or immediate obedience vnto that authoritie which they absolutely beleeue as infallible they are bound to yeeld infallible assent and absolute obedience directly in it selfe and for it selfe But by this supposition men cannot know Scriptures infallibly without the Churches authoritie and yet they must infallibly beleeue the Churches authoritie without Scriptures The Scriptures authoritie therefore is either lesse then the Churches or none at all 6 But be it supposed that priuate mens infallible beleefe of the Churches publike spirit is grouÌ„ded vpon Scriptures acknowledged by vs and vrged by them to this purpose as vpon these it seemeth good to the Holy Ghost vs I haue prayed for thee thy faith should not faile The question whereunto wee demaund an answere is whether this infallible beleefe of the Churches authoritie grounded vpon these places must be wrought in mens heartes by a priuate or publique spirit If by a priuate spirit onely Bellarmine beleeued the Churches publique spirit or those Scriptures truth or true meaning whereon he grounds it Hee and all other Papists such as hee was when hee deliuered this Doctrine neither Bishops nor Cardinals are subiect to the same inconueniences which he hath condemned vs for as Heretiques For all priuate spirits by his positions are obnoxious to errour vnsufficient to plant any infallible perswasion in matters of faith yet such is this article of the Churches authentique spirit of which vnlesse men be so perswaded infallibly perswaded they cannot bee of the minor proposition in any Syllogisme wherein a point of faith is concluded and vncertaine of the minor they cannot be certaine of the conclusion which as Bellarmine rightly obserues alwayes followes the weaker part The infallible conclusion therefore of Bellarmines resolution is vnlesse priuate men may haue publique spirits to warrant the truth of Scriptures and the Churches infallibilitie thereon grounded they cannot truly beleeue any conclusion of faith It remaines then we inquire what inconuenience wil follow if they admit priuate men to be partakers of publike spirits 7 Diuersitie of such spirits they acknowledge not If therefore priuate mens infallible assent vnto the truth or true sence of those particular Scriptures whence they seeke to prooue their Churches infallibilitie must be planted by a publique spirit planted it must be by the same spirit which guides and guiding makes the Church and Pope authentique and infallible both in their proposall of Scriptures and declaration of Scriptures sence Seeing this spirit is one and the same if it can make the Church or Pope infallible in all why may it not make all priuate men by this supposition partakers of it alike infallible at the least in the right vnderstanding of those places which warraÌ„t the Churches infallibilitie or publique spirit For our aduersaries I hope will easily grant that the Churches publique and authentique spirit must be most infallibly beleeued because so expressely taught in those Scriptures cited by Bellarmine to this purpose If this publike or authentique spirit can worke such infallible apprehension of those places true meaning in priuate heartes why not in all others as necessarie for them to know that is in all necessarie to saluation And if thus it doe why are wee bound to beleeue the Pope more then the Pope vs wee being partakers of a publique and infallible spirit aswel as he 8 Or if they hold it no absurditie to say wee must beleeue two or three places It seemeth good to the Holy Ghost and vs Peter feed my sheepe by a pubâ—ique and authentique spirit teaching vs from these to relie vpon the Pope in all other parts of Gods Word because as it must be supposed we haue but a priuate spirit for their assurance by this supposition the Popes authoritie in respect of vs must haue the same excesse of superioritie vnto Scriptures that publike spirit hath vnto a priuate or the Pope who beleeueth all Scriptures by a publike spirit hath vnto a priuate man This publike spirit wherof they vauÌ„t is the same which did inspire the scriptures to Moses the Prophets and Apostles and must by this position be the Pope or Churches immediate ageÌ„t for establishing this inuiolable league of absolute alleagance with mens soules vnto them but of none so absolute to their Creator and Redeemer and the rest of whose written lawes and eternal decrees must be communicated vnto them by a priuate spirit and subscribed vnto with this condition If the Pope shall witnesse them to be his lawes or to haue this or that meaning 9 Nor can our aduersaries dense the truth of this subsequent collection If it were possible for the Pope in matters controuersed to teach contrarie to Gods Word wee were bound to follow him For they themselues argue thus If the Pope could erre in matters of faith faith might perish from the Earth all Christians bound to erre because bound to obey him This prooues that our assent to any Scriptures besides those which teach the Popes authoritie cannot in it selfe be perfect and absolute but subiect to this condition if the Pope be infallible And euen of those places which as they pretend witnesse him to be such there yet remaines a farther difficultie These the Pope beleeues not because they are confirmed to him by his predecessor but directly and immediatly by his publique spirit But may priuate men beleeue them so too No. For these especially and the Churches infallibilitie contained in them are by all our aduesaries consent propositions of faith in respect of vs need by their doctrine the proposall or testimonie of the Church whereon all priuate mens faith must be immediately grounded beleeuing this we shall from it at least conioyned with Scripture beleeue all other parts of Gods Word necessarie to saluation aswell as the Pope doth these former from the testimonie of his publique spirit Wherefore his authoritie must be vnto vs altogether as great as the authoritie of the Godhead is vnto him which is farre greater vnto him then it is or can be to any others for euen that which is acknowledged for Gods Word both by him and vs must be lesse authentique vnto vs then the wordes of this mortall man 10 For though we pardon our aduersaries their former absurdities in seeking to prooue the Churches authoritie by the Scripture and the Scriptures by the Churches though we grant them all they can desire euen what shall appeare in due place to be most false That whiles they beleeue the Popes particular iniunctions or decisions from a presupposal of his vniuersal transcendent authoritie they doe not onely beleeue him or his wordes but those partes of Gods Word vpon which they seeme to ground his infallibilitie yet our former argument holdes still most firme because that absolute assent which priuate men must giue vnto these supposed grounds of their Religion before
existence necessary Whatsoeuer is besides is but a shadow or picture borrowed from his infinite being Amongst created entities all essentially depending on Him Accidents haue a kind of existence peculiar to themselues yet cannot so properly bee saide to exist as their subiects on whom they haue such double dependance Nor can the Moone so truely say my beauty is mine owne as may the Sunne which lends light and splendor to this his sister as it were vpon condtion shee neuer vse it but in his sight For the same reason that for which wee belieue another thing is alwayes more truely more really and more properly belieued then that which is belieued for it if the one beliefe necessarily depend vpon the other tam in facto esse quam in fieri from the first beginning to the latter end For of beliefes thus mutually affected the one is reall and radicall the other nominall or at the most by participation onely reall This consequence is vnsound Intellectiue knowledge depends on sensitiue therefore sensitiue is of these two the surer The reason is because intellectiue knowledge depends on sensitiue onely in the acquisition not after it is acquired But this inference is most vndoubted Wee belieue the conclusion for the premisses therefore we belieue the premisses the better because beliefe of the Conclusion absolutely depends vpon the premisses during the whole continuance of it This is the great Philosophers rule and a branch of the former Axiome And some iustly question whether in Scholastique propriety of speech wee can truely say there is a beliefe of the conclusion distinct from the beleefe of the premisses or rather the beliefe of the premisses is by extrinsical denomination attributed vnto the conclusion This latter opinion at least in many Syllogismes is the truer most necessarily true in all wherein the conclusion is a particulall essentialâ—y subordinate to an vniuersall of truth vnquestionable As hee that infallibly belieues euery man is a reasonable creature infallibly belieues Socrates is such Nor can wee say there be two dictint beliefes one of the vniversall another of this particular for he that sayeth All excepteth none If Socrates then make one in the Catalogue of men hee that formerly knew all knew him to bee a reasonable Creature all he had to learne was what was meant by this name Socrates a man or a beast After he knowes him to be a man in knowing him to bee a reasonable creature hee knowes no more then he did before in that vniuersall Euery man is a reasonable Creature The like consequence holdes as firme in our present argument He that beleeues this vniuersall Whatsoeuer the Church proposeth concerning Scriptures is most true hath no more to learne but onely what particulars the church proposeth These being knowne we cannot imagine there should bee two distinct beleefes one of the churches generall infallibility another of the particular Truthes or points of faith contained in the Scripture proposed by it For as in the former case so in this He that from the churches proposall beleeues or knowes this particular The Booke of Reuelations was from God receiues no increase of former beleefe for before hee beleeued all the church did propose and therefore this particular because one of all 4 The truth of this conclusion may againe from a maine pinciple of Romish faith be thus demonstrated Whatsoeuer vnwritten traditions the Church shall propose though yet vnheard of or vnpossible otherwise to be knowne then onely by the Churches asseueration all Romanists are bound as certainly to beleeue as deuoutly to embrace as any truths contayned in the written word acknowledged by vs the Iewes and them for diuine Now if eyther from their owne experience the ioynt consent of sincere antiquitie or testimonie of Gods spirit speaking to them in priuate or what meanes soeuer else possible or imaginable they gaue any absolute credence vnto the written word or matters contained in it besides that they giue vnto the churches generall veracitie the Scriptures by addition of this credence were it great or little arising from these grounds peculiar to them must needs be more firmely beleeued and embraced then such vnwritten traditions as are in themselues suspitious vncapable of other credit then what they borrow from the Church For in respect of the Churches proposall Which is one and the same alike peremptory in both Scriptures and traditions of what kinde soeuer must be equally beleeued And if such traditions as can haue no assurance besides the Churches testimony must be as well beleeued as Scriptures or diuine truthes contained in them the former conclusion is euidently necessary that they neyther beleeue the Scriptures nor the Truthes contained in them but the Churches proposall of them onely For the least beleefe of any Diuine truth added to beleefe of the Churches proposall which equally concernes written and vnwritten verities would dissolue the former equalitie But that by the Trent Councell may not bee dissolued Therefore our aduersaries in deede and verity beleeue no Scriptures nor Diuine written Truth but the Churches proposall onely concerning them And Sacroboscus bewrayes his readinesse to beleeue the Church as absolutely as any Christian can doe God or Christ though no title of the New-testament were extant For that the Church cannot erre was an Oracle reuealed by God proposed by the Church and beleiued by the faithfull before any part of the New testament was written Now hee that without the Gospel of Iesus Christ would beleeue the Doctrines of faith as firmely as with it beleeues not the Gospel which now he hath but their authorities onely vpon which though wee had it not he would as absolute rely for all matters of doctrine supposed to be contained in it 5 Or further to illustrate the truth of our conclusion with this Iesuits former comparison which hath best illustrated the Romish churches tenent That Church in respect of the Canon of Scriptures or any part thereof is as the light is to colours As no colour can be seene of vs but by the light so by his doctrine neyther the Canon of Scriptures or any part thereof can be known without the Churches testimonie Againe as remoueall of light presently makes vs loose the sight of colours so doubt oâ— deniall of the Churches authoritie depriues vs of all true and stedfast beleefe concerning Gods Word or any matter contained in it God as they plead hath reuealed his will obscurely and vnto a distinct or cleare apprehension of what is obscurely reuealed the visible churches declaration is no lesse necessary then light to discernment of colours The reason is one in both and is this As the actuall visibilitie of colours wholly depends vpon the light as well for existence as duration so by Iesuiticall Doctrine true beleefe of Scriptures wholly depends on the visible Churches declaration as well during the whole continuance as the first producing of it By the same reason as we gather that light in it selfe is more
it reall Atheists or Infidels and Christians onely in conceit or vpon condition If the Church whose authority they so highly esteeme be as infallible as is pretended Heretofore I haue much grieued at the Trent Councels impiety but now I wonder at these graue Fathers folly that would trouble themselues with prescribing so many Canons or ouerseeing so large a Catechisme when as the beginning of Protogoras booke one or two words altered might haue comprehended the entire confession of such mens faith as rely vpon their fatherhoods The Atheist thus beganne his booke De dijs non habeo quod dicam vtrum sint necne Concerning the Gods or their being I can say nothing A priuate Romane Catholike might render an entire account of his faith in termes as briefe De Christo Christiana fide non haebeo quod dicam vtrum sint necne Whether there bee a Christ or Christian Religion bee but a politike fable I haue nothing to say peremptorily yea or no the Church or Councell can determine whom in this and all other points wherein God is a party I will absolutely belieue whilest I liue if at my death I finde they teach amisse let the diuell and they if there be a diuell decide the controuersie Yet this conceit or conditionall beliefe of Christ and christianity conceiued from the former serues as a ground colour for disposing mens soules to take the sable dye of Hell wherewith the second maine streame of Romish impiety will deepely infect all such as drinke of it For once belieuing Gods word from the Churches testimony this absolute submission of their consciences to embrace that sense it shall suggest sublimates them from refined Heathenisme of Gentilisme to diabolisme or symbolizing with infernall spirits whose chiefest solace consists in acting greatest villanies or wresting the meaning of Gods written lawes to his dishonour For iust proofe of which imputation wee are to preuent what as wee late intimated might in fauour of their opinion bee replyed to our former instance of light and colours 9 Some perhaps well affected would be resolued why as hee that sees colours by the sunne sees not onely the sunne but colours with it so hee that belieues the Scriptures by relying vpon the Church should not belieue the Church onely but the Scriptures too commended by it The doubt could hardly bee resolued if according to our aduersaries tenent the Churches declarations did confirme our faith by illustrating the Canon of Scriptures or making particular truthes contained in it inherently more perspicuous as if they were in themselues but potentially credible and made actually such by the Churches testimony which is the first and principall credible in such sort as colours become actually visible by illumination of the principall and prime visible But herein the grounds of Romish doctrine and the instance brought by Sacroboscus to illustrate it are quite contrary For the light of the Sunne though most necessary vnto sight is yet necessary onely in respect of the obiect or for making colours actually visible which made such or sufficiently illuminated are instantly perceiued without further intermediation of any other light then the internall light of the Organe in discerning colours alwaies rather hindred then helped by circumfusion of light externall For this reason it is that men in a pitte or caue may at noone day see the starres which are inuisible to such as are in the open aire not that they are more illuminated to the one then the other but because plentie of light doth hinder the organ or eye-sight of the one Generally all obiects eyther actually visible in themselues or sufficiently illuminated are better perceiued in darkenesse then in the light But so our aduersaries will not grant that after the church hath sufficiently proposed the whole Canon to be Gods word the distinct meaning of euery part is more cleare and facile to all priuate spirits by how much they lesse participate of the visible Churches further illustration For quite contrary to the former instance the Churches testimony or declaration is onely necessary or auaileable to right beliefe in respect not of the obiect to be beleeued Scriptures but of the party beleeuing For as hath beene obserued no man in their iudgement can belieue Gods word or the right meaning of it but by beleeuing the Church and all beliefe is inherent in the belieuer Yea this vndoubted beliefe of the Churches authority is that which in Bellarmine and Sacroboscus iudgement makes a Roman Catholicks beleefe of Scriptures or diuine truthes taught by them much better then a Protestants If otherwise the churches declaration or testimony could without the beliefe of it infallibility which is inherent in the subiect belieuing make Scriptures credible as the light doth colours visible in themselues a Protestant that knew their churches meaning might as truely belieue them as a Romane Catholike albeit hee did not absolutely belieue the church but onely vse her helpe for their Orthodoxall interpretation as hee doth ordinary expositors or as many doe the benefite of the Sunne for seeing colours which neuer thinke whether colours may bee seene without it or no. For though it bee certaine that they cannot yet this opinion is meerely accidentall to their sight and if a man should be so wilfull as to maintaine the contrary it would argue onely blindnesse of mind none of his bodily sight Nor should distrust of the Romish churches authority ought diminish our beliefe of any diuine truth were her declarations requisite in respect of the obiect to bee beleeued not in respect of the subiect beleeuing 10 Hence ariseth that difference which plainely resolues the former doubt For seeing the Sunne makes colours actually visible by adding vertue or lustre to them wee may rightly say wee see colours as truely as the light by which wee see them For though without the benefite of it they cannot be seene yet are they not seene by seeing it or by relying vpon it testimony of them Againe because the vse of light is onelie necessary in respect of the obiect or for presenting colours to the eye after once they bee sufficiently illuminated or presented euery creature endued with sight can immediately discern each from other without any further helpe or benefite of externall light than the generall whereby they become all alike actually visible at the fame instant The Sunnes light then is the true cause why colours are seene out no cause of our distinguishing one from another beeing seene or made actually visible by it For of all sensible obiects sufficiently proposed the sensitiue faculty though seated in a priuate person is the sole immediate supreme Iudge and relies not vpon any others more publike verdite of them On the contrary because the Romanists supposed firme beliefe of Scriptures or their true meaning ariseth onely from his vndoubted beliefe of the churches veracity which is in the belieuer as in it subiect not from any increase of inherent credibility or perspicuity
thence propagated to the Scriptures Hence it is that consequently to his positions most repugnant to all truth hee thinkes after the church hath sufficiently auouched the Scriptures diuine truth in generall wee cannot infallibly distinguish the true sense and meaning of one place from another but must herein also rely vpon the churches testimony and onely belieue that sense to bee repugnant that consonant to the analogie of faith which shee shall tender albeit our priuate consciences bee neuer so well informed by other Scriptures to the contrary The truth then of our former conclusion is hence easily manifested For seeing they hold both the Scriptures and their distinct sense to bee obscure and vnable to ascertaine themselues vnlesse the Church adde perspicuity or facility of communicating their meaning to priuate spirits such after the Churches proposall cannot possibly discerne them any better or more directly in themselues then they did before but must wholy rely vpon their Prelates as if these were the onely watchmen in the Tower of Gods church that could by vertue of their place discerne all diuine truth Others must belieue there is an omnipotent God which hath giuen his law a Mediator of the new Testament but what the meaning either of Law or Gospell is they may not presume otherwise to determine then weake sights do of things they see confusedly a farre off whose particular distance or difference they must take onely vpon other mens report that haue seene them distinctly and at hand 11 To illustrate these deductions with the former similitude of the prime and secondary visibles Let vs suppose for disputations sake that the Sunne which illuminates colours by its light were further indued as wee are with sense and reason able to iudge of all the differences betweene them which it can manifest to vs and hence challenge to bee a Pope or infallible proposer of colours This supposition the Canonist hath made lesse improbable For Deus fecit duo luminaria God made two lights that is by his interpretation the Pope and the Emperour Or if you please to mitigate the harshnesse of it let the Man in the Moone whom we may not imagine speechlesse bee supposed the sunne or Pope of colours Mercurie or Nuncio As the Papists say wee cannot know Scriptures to be Scriptures but by the infallible proposall of the Church so it is euident wee cannot see any colour at all vnlesse illuminated or proposed by the Sunnes light But after by it wee see them suppose wee should take vpon vs to discourse of their nature or determine of their distinct properties as now wee doe and the sunne or Pope of colours by himselfe or his Nuncio should take vs vp as Duke Humphrey did the blinde man restored to sight which hee neuer had lost Yea who taught you to distinguish colours were you not quite blinde but now as yet you cannot discerne any colours without my publike light and yet will you presume to desine their properties and distinguish their natures against my definitiue sentence knowne Must not hee that enables you to see them enable you to distinguish them seene Must you not wholly rely vpon my authority whether this bee white or that blacke If a man vpon these Motiues should absolutely belieue the sunnes determinations renouncing the iudgement of his priuate senses could hee truely say that hee eyther knew this colour to be white or that blacke or another greene Rather were he not bound to say I neither know white from black nor blacke from blew nor blew from greene but I know that to be white which the Sunne the onely infallible Iudge of colours saith is white that onely to bee blacke that blew and that greene which he shall determine so to be I may thinke indeed that the snow is white or coales blacke but with submission to the Sunnes determination 12 And yet as you haue heard at large out of the Trent Councell and best Apologies can bee made for it the Church must bee the infallible Iudge of all Scripture sense and must absolutely be belieued without all appeale to scriptures not conditionally as shee shall accord with them The conclusion hence issuing is most infallible and on their parts most ineuitable Whosoeuer absolutely acknowledgeth this authority in the Church or Consistory yelds such obedience vnto it in all determinations concerning the Canon of Scriptures doth not belieue eyther this or that determinate proposition of faith or any definite meaning of Gods word The best resolution hee can make of his faith is this I belieue that to bee the meaning of euery place which the Church shall define to bee the meaning which is all one as if hee had said I doe not belieue the Scriptures or their meaning but I belieue the Churches decision and sentence concerning them Hee that belieues not the Church saith Canus but with this limitation if it giue sentence according vnto Scriptures doth not belieue the Church but the scriptures By the same reason it followes most directly he that belieues not the true sense and meaning of scriptures but with this reseruation If the Church so thinke or determine doth not belieue them but the Church onely For as the Schoolemen say Vbi vnum propter aliud ibi vnum tantum He that serues God onely because hee would bee rich doth not serue God but his riches albeit he performe the outward acts of obedience Or if wee loue a man onely for his affinity with another whom wee dearely loue wee truely and properly loue but the one the other onely by way of reflexion or denomination in such a sense as wee say a man appeares by his proxie that is his proxie appeares not he In like sort beleeuing the sense of Scriptures onely from the supposed authentique declaration of the church or because wee belieue it wee infallibly belieue the Church alone not the Scriptures but onely by an extrinsecall denomination 13 Yet as a man may from some reasons lesse probable haue an opinion of what hee certainely knowes by motiues more sound or as we may loue one in some competent measure for his own sake and yet affect him more entirely for anothers whome wee most dearely loue so may an absolute Papist in some morall sort belieue the Scriptures for themselues or holde their orthodoxall sense as probable to his priuate iudgement albeit hee belieue them most for the Churches sake and that sense best which it commends But this his beliefe of the Church being by their doctrine more then morall or conditionall doth quite ouerthrow all morall or probable beliefe hee can possibly haue from what ground soeuer of scriptures themselues For as I said before when the Church shall determine ought contrary to his preconceiued opinion the more probable or strong it was the more it encreaseth his doubt and makes his contrary resolution more desperate yea more damnable if habituall because 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 〈◊〉 extremely contrary to the doctrine
infallible whereof the Protestant otherwise perswaded reapes no benefit by it but continues still in darknesse labouring in vaine to see the truth of Diuine reuelations without it as much in vaine as if a man should striue to see colours without light For this is Sacroboscus instance Besides the habite of faith seated in the vnderstanding and the supernaturall concourse of the Holy Spirit due to all endued with the habite of faith but necessary in respect of the subiect or partie two things more are requisite on the behalfe of the obiect of which if eyther bee wanting the facultie can neuer performe it proper function Of these two the one is that the proposition to be beleeued be reuealed by God the other that there be a sufficient proposall made to vs that God hath reuealed it For an vnsufficient proposall of any obiect is as none as may appeare by the example of light which proposeth Colours to bee seene For when the light is weake or scant we cannot discerne Colours not that wee want a visible obiect but because we want light sufficient to illuminate the obiect or the space betwixt vs and it Hee addes withall such as disclaime the Churches authoritie and are content with this That Truths of faith are reuealed by God in his Word and hence promise themselues the supernaturall concourse of the Holy Ghost for producing acts of faith are destitute of a sufficient proposer and their presumption such as if a man should perswade himselfe because hee hath Colours before his eyes and God readie to affoord his ordinary concourse as oft as he is disposed to exercise his visiue facultie hee should bee able to see them without light For saith this Iesuite the Prophets are dead Apostles dead Christ goâ—e to Heauen and in stead of al Prophets Apostles or himselfe hath left vs his Church Nor is it to bee expected that God will euery where vpon all occasions supply the want of the externall proposals by the aboundance of internall illuminations as hee did to our first parent or Saint Paul who had his Gospell neyther from man nor by man but by the reuelation of Iesus Christ For those are priuiledges 6 The calumnie intended in this last instance hath often heretofore beene preuented Wee neuer denyed eyther the necessity or sufficiency of the Churches proposall as an externall meane wee accompt no other of that ranke and nature is or could bee eyther more necessary or more sufficient Saint Paul we grant had an extraordinary priuiledge and yet for his priuate information had the Truth proposed vnto him by Ananias though the gifts of his publique Ministery were immediately from God Both the measure of his faith and manner of attayning it were vnvsuall but his faith it selfe once attained no otherwise independent of any externall proposall then ours is and all Christians must be Wee should haue beene more beholden to this professor had he distinctly told vs what it is in their language to haue a sufficient proposer albeit this wee may gather from his wordes late cited and these following The Sectaryes take vpon them to correct the Churches sentence as oft as they list and then they oppose Christ to the Church as if the Church did propose one thing and Christ teach another If they admitted any Church as a sufficient proposer they were bound to conforme their opinions to it in all things As you heard before out of Bellarmine That the Popes decrees may not bee examined whether consonant or contrary to Gods word or the foundations of faith already laid in our hearts and out of Canus That we must beleeue the Church absolutely without ifs or ands Thus beleeuing we haue Gods Word sufficiently proposed without this beleefe or acknowledgement of such authoritie in the Church we haue no sufficient proposall of it but striue as foolishly to heare God speake as if wee sought to see Colours without the light 7 It appeares I hope as clearely to the Reader as to mee that the Churches testimonie or authority by our aduersaries Doctrine benefits none but such as stedfastly and absolutely beleeue it in all things But hee that so beleeues it may by it easily beleeue all other points as he that can perfectly see the light may see Colours by it Want of this radicall beleefe in vs makes our faith in their opinion so vnstable or rather blinde and dead Yet can I hardly perswade my selfe all of them will grant the Church addes any inherent or participated splendor to diuine reuelations whereby they become perspicuous in themselues as Colours are made visible by irradiation of the Sunne Thus much notwithstanding all of them I know willingly would subscribe vnto A Protestant can neyther of himselfe be infallibly perswaded of the Truth of Scriptures or other conclusions of faith nor doth he asolutely beleeue any others that are infallible in their determinations but a Roman Catholike albeit by his priuate spirit he cannot infallibly beleeues them yet he infallibly beleeues the Church which cannot erre in beleefe All then that a Papist hath more then a Protestant is this his beleefe of the Church if once he doubt of this he is where he was Which in plaine termes is as much as to say he beleeues the Church concerning Scriptures not Scriptures That this is the true interpretation of their tenent may easily be gathered from their owne writings For Bellarmine expressely contends and all of them suppose that saying of Saint Austine Non crederem Euangelio nisi me commoueret Ecclesiae authoritas I would not beleeue the Gospell vnlesse the Churches authoritie did thereto moue me to bee true as well after faith is produced whilest it continues as whiles it is in planting Now if a man should say Non crederem Francisco nisi me commoueret Petri fidelitas I would not trust Frances but for Peters word this speech resolued into it naturall or proper sense is aequiualent vnto this I doe not trust Frances but Peter that giues his word for him And in case Peter should proue false or bee distrusted by him that tooke his word for Frances as yet not beleeued but for Peters sake the creditor could haue no hold of eyther Thus if Bellarmine and his fellowes bee as they would seeme to make Saint Austine minded not to beleeue the Gospell but for the Churches authoritie or proposall of it let them speake plainly and properly not in parables or metaphors and so we shall know their meaning to be That they indeed beleeue not the Scriptures but the Church or the Church truly and really the Scriptures onely by extrinsecall denomination 8 Nor can they reply eyther consequently to Sacrobosâ—us instance or their generall tenents that as he which sees colours by the light truly sees colours not the light onely so hee that beleeues Scriptures by the Churches infallible proposall beleeues not the Churches proposall onely but Scriptures as truely and properly The