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to_o go_v to_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o in_o that_o manner_n to_o serve_v and_o worship_n god_n because_o that_o be_v to_o halt_v on_o both_o side_n to_o serve_v two_o master_n to_o dissemble_v with_o god_n and_o the_o world_n and_o that_o no_o man_n may_v outward_o profef_n a_o religion_n in_o conscience_n know_v to_o be_v false_a 〈◊〉_d scripture_n for_o it_o rom._n 10._o 10._o for_o with_o the_o heart_n man_n believe_v to_o righteousness_n and_o with_o the_o mouth_n he_o consess_v to_o salvation_n add_v withal_o that_o no_o man_n can_v confess_v a_o know_a false_a religion_n to_o his_o salvation_n whence_o i_o argue_v if_o a_o roman-catholique_a be_v and_o continue_v such_o may_v not_o against_o his_o conscience_n go_v to_o the_o protestant_a church_n if_o it_o be_v not_o lawful_a for_o one_o that_o be_v resolve_v of_o the_o truth_n of_o the_o roman_a church_n to_o go_v to_o the_o church_n of_o england_n and_o in_o that_o manner_n to_o ferue_v and_o worship_n god_n if_o 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clear_o against_o her_o conscience_n and_o by_o consequence_n sin_v in_o do_v it_o again_o admit_v there_o be_v error_n and_o superstition_n in_o the_o roman_a church_n as_o the_o bishop_n will_v needs_o suppose_v yet_o how_o will_v he_o prove_v the_o lady_n shall_v be_v in_o any_o sort_n answerable_a for_o they_o unless_o we_o suppose_v also_o that_o she_o hold_v they_o against_o her_o conscience_n or_o by_o hold_v and_o practise_v they_o oppose_v the_o know_a truth_n which_o to_o do_v be_v contrary_a not_o only_o to_o all_o christian_a charity_n but_o even_o to_o the_o 〈◊〉_d own_o maxim_n who_o confess_v that_o none_o but_o god_n and_o a_o man_n self_n can_v know_v how_o far_o he_o oppose_v truth_n in_o that_o manner_n and_o §_o 37._o num_fw-la 1._o tell_v a._n c._n thus_o you_o be_v the_o happy_a 36._o in_o your_o error_n that_o you_o hold_v nothing_o against_o your_o conscience_n especial_o if_o you_o speak_v not_o against_o conscience_n while_o you_o say_v so_o but_o this_o no_o 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nor_o do_v we_o make_v the_o infallibility_n of_o the_o church_n to_o depend_v upon_o the_o pope_n alone_o as_o the_o relatour_n perpetual_o insinuate_v but_o upon_o 27._o the_o pope_n and_o a_o general_n council_n together_o so_o that_o if_o this_o be_v grant_v by_o our_o adversary_n we_o shall_v acquiesce_v and_o require_v no_o more_o of_o they_o because_o this_o only_a be_v matter_n of_o faith_n 13._o but_o neither_o the_o pope_n by_o himself_o alone_o nor_o a_o general_n council_n with_o he_o do_v ever_o take_v upon_o they_o to_o make_v new_a article_n of_o faith_n proper_o speak_v but_o only_o expound_v and_o declare_v to_o we_o what_o be_v before_o yome_a way_n reveal_v either_o in_o scripture_n or_o the_o unwritten_a word_n yet_o they_o declare_v and_o expound_v with_o such_o absolute_a authority_n that_o we_o be_v oblige_v under_o pain_n of_o eternal_a damnation_n neither_o to_o deny_v nor_o question_v any_o doctrine_n of_o faith_n by_o they_o propose_v to_o be_v bclceve_v by_o 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ever_o page_n 207._o and_o will_v be_v so_o to_o the_o end_n of_o the_o world_n ibid._n author_n either_o misalledge_v or_o misinterpret_v by_o our_o adversary_n page_z 4_o 7_o 8_o 9_o 10_o 22_o 47_o 80_o 81_o 98_o 113_o 118_o 134_o 135_o 136_o 137_o 138_o 139_o 143_o 175_o 187_o 193_o 201_o 202_o 204_o 210_o 218_o 222_o 240_o 248_o 309_o 310_o baptism_n infant-baptism_n not_o evident_o express_v in_o scripture_n nor_o demonstrative_o prove_v from_o it_o page_n 51_o 52_o 53._o acknowledge_v for_o a_o appstolical_a tradition_n by_o st._n austin_n p._n 26_o 53_o 67_o that_o lawful_a baptism_n may_v not_o be_v reiterated_a a_o tradition_n apostolical_a page_n 67_o bishop_n not_o mere_o the_o pope_n vicar_n or_o substitute_n page_n 219_o 224_o they_o govern_v in_o their_o own_o right_n and_o be_v jure_fw-la divino_fw-la pastor_n of_o the_o church_n no_o less_o than_o the_o pope_n ibid._n yet_o by_o the_o same_o law_n of_o god_n under_o the_o pope_n ibid._n in_o what_o sense_n it_o may_v be_v say_v that_o all_o bishop_n be_v equal_a or_o of_o the_o same_o merit_n and_o degree_n in_o the_o ecclesiastical_a priesthood_n page_n 222_o the_o bishop_n of_o canterbury_n make_v primate_n of_o england_n by_o the_o pope_n p._n 190_o universal_a bishop_n the_o title_n of_o universal_a or_o ecumenical_a bishop_n ancient_o give_v to_o the_o pope_n page_n 196_o but_o never_o assume_v or_o use_v by_o they_o ibid._n use_v by_o the_o patriarch_n of_o constantinople_n but_o never_o lawful_o give_v they_o page_n 196_o what_o the_o more_o ancient_a patriarch_n of_o that_o sea_n intend_v by_o their_o usurp_a title_n ibid._n the_o sea_n of_o constantinople_n always_o subject_a to_o that_o of_o rome_n page_n 196_o 197_o 198_o in_o what_o manner_n gregory_n the_o seven_o give_v the_o title_n of_o universal_a bishop_n to_o his_o successor_n page_n 199_o likewise_o in_o what_o manner_n phocas_n the_o emperor_n may_v be_v say_v to_o give_v it_o ibid._n catholic_n the_o several_a acception_n of_o 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point_n of_o christian_a religion_n believe_v by_o protestant_n with_o divine_a faith_n page_n 125_o 126_o 127_o 352_o their_o protestation_n at_o auspurgh_n 1529._o direct_o against_o the_o roman_a church_n and_o her_o doctrine_n page_n 146_o 147_o to_o protest_v against_o the_o roman_a church_n in_o the_o manner_n they_o then_o do_v be_v to_o protest_v against_o all_o true_a visible_a church_n in_o the_o world_n page_n 147_o protestant_n be_v chooser_n in_o point_n of_o faith_n as_o much_o as_o any_o other_o heretic_n page_n 353_o how_o far_a protestant_n rely_v upon_o the_o infallible_a authority_n of_o the_o whole_a church_n ibid._n why_o unlawful_a for_o catholic_n in_o england_n to_o go_v to_o protestant_a church_n page_n 401_o purgatory_n the_o council_n of_o florence_n unanimous_a in_o define_v the_o point_n of_o purgatory_n page_n 358_o the_o father_n as_o well_o within_o the_o first_o 300._o year_n as_o after_o constant_o teach_v purgatory_n p._n 359_o 360_o 361_o 362_o 363_o 364_o 365_o 366_o 367_o 368_o 369_o no_o real_a difference_n betwixt_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a use_v by_o the_o ancient_n and_o pray_v for_o the_o dead_a use_v by_o the_o roman_a church_n at_o present_a p._n 360_o 361_o the_o testimony_n of_o the_o father_n in_o proof_n of_o purgatory_n make_v good_a page_n 358_o etc._n etc._n ut_fw-la supra_fw-la purgatory_n right_o esteem_v a_o apostolical_a tradition_n page_n 370_o reformation_n always_o and_o profess_o intend_v by_o the_o pope_n themselves_o in_o what_o be_v real_o needful_a p._n 147._o effect_v by_o the_o council_n of_o trent_n ibid._n the_o church_n of_o juda_n no_o pattern_n of_o the_o protestant_n reformation_n p._n 160_o the_o parallel_n for_o they_o hold_v better_a in_o the_o revolt_a tribe_n page_n 161_o sacrilege_n the_o natural_a fruit_n of_o protestant_a reformation_n page_n 170_o regicide_n no_o doctrine_n of_o catholic_n page_n 212_o 348_o resolution_n of_o faith_n how_o catholic_n do_v necessary_o resolve_v their_o 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be_v head_n and_o foundation_n of_o the_o church_n and_o that_o he_o stilll_v 〈◊〉_d and_o 〈◊〉_d cause_n of_o faith_n in_o and_o by_o his_o successor_n the_o bishop_n of_o 〈◊〉_d do_v not_o damas_n st._n hierome_n seem_v to_o make_v pope_n damasus_n infallible_a when_o speak_a of_o he_o and_o his_o particular_a sea_n he_o say_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d etc._n etc._n upon_o this_o rock_n i_o know_v the_o church_n which_o can_v 〈◊〉_d fail_v or_o fall_v away_o from_o the_o 〈◊〉_d faith_n be_v build_v 92._o do_v not_o st._n austin_n do_v the_o same_o with_o the_o whole_a council_n of_o 〈◊〉_d when_o beside_o their_o own_o suffrage_n which_o be_v but_o of_o a_o particular_a provincial_a council_n they_o require_v nothing_o but_o the_o 〈◊〉_d sentence_n only_o to_o the_o full_a and_o effectual_a condemn_v of_o the_o pelagian_a heresy_n do_v he_o not_o speak_v also_o to_o the_o same_o effect_n dovat_fw-la when_o he_o 〈◊〉_d that_o the_o succession_n of_o the_o roman_a bishop_n be_v that_o very_a rock_n 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