Selected quad for the lemma: ground_n

Word A	Word B	Word C	Word D	Occurrence	Frequency Band	MI	MI Band	Prominent
ground_n	call_v	church_n	pillar_n	2,921	5	10.5182	5	true

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ID	Title	Author	Corrected Date of Publication (TCP Date of Publication)	STC	Words	Pages
A90624	A vindication of The preacher sent, or A vvarrant for publick preaching without ordination. Wherein is further discovered. 1. That some gifted men unordained, are Gospel preachers. 2. That officers sustain not a relation (as officers) to the universal Church; and other weighty questions concerning election and ordination, are opened and cleared. In answer to two books. 1. Vindiciæ ministrij evangelici revindicatæ or the Preacher (pretendly) sent, sent back again. By Dr. Colling of Norwich. 2. Quo warranto, or a moderate enquiry into the warrantableness of the preaching of gifted and unordained persons. By Mr. Pool, at the desire and appointment of the Provincial Assembly of London. With a reply to the exceptions of Mr. Hudson and Dr. Collings against the epistle to the preacher sent. / Published by Frederick Woodal, minister of the Gospel at Woodbridge in Suffolk. Samuel Petto minister of the GospeI [sic] at Sandcraft in Suffolk.	Woodall, Frederick, b. 1614.; Petto, Samuel, 1624?-1711.	1659 (1659)	Wing P1902; Thomason E1728_2; ESTC R204138	152,808	253

both_o which_o we_o mention_v preacher_n sent._n pag._n 203_o 204._o argue_v that_o none_o else_o may_v act_v herein_o nor_o will_v officer_n be_v useless_a and_o un-necessary_a as_o to_o those_o act_n if_o gift_a man_n may_v preach_v and_o the_o church_n act_n in_o government_n and_o this_o answer_v divers_a of_o his_o exception_n pag._n 103._o 104._o only_o we_o shall_v add_v that_o his_o strain_v one_o of_o our_o similitude_n to_o make_v it_o run_v on_o four_o foot_n for_o the_o draw_v this_o out_o of_o it_o that_o gift_a man_n may_v preach_v or_o may_v let_v it_o a_o lone_n and_o then_o add_v many_o line_n pag._n 103._o to_o disprove_v what_o himself_o have_v wrest_v out_o of_o it_o be_v far_o from_o a_o candied_a deal_n with_o we_o especial_o see_v the_o very_a word_n of_o our_o similitude_n do_v plain_o deny_v this_o sense_n of_o it_o and_o these_o word_n he_o have_v conceal_v our_o similitude_n run_v thus_o a_o christian_a friend_n or_o neighbour_n may_v and_o aught_o to_o give_v gracious_a and_o wholesome_a instruction_n etc._n etc._n if_o he_o have_v right_o apply_v the_o similitude_n he_o must_v have_v say_v so_o gift_a man_n may_v and_o aught_o to_o preach_v and_o then_o he_o will_v not_o have_v use_v so_o many_o word_n to_o prove_v that_o they_o be_v not_o at_o their_o liberty_n whether_o they_o will_v preach_v or_o no._n likewise_o our_o word_n be_v the_o one_o be_v under_o a_o stand_a obligation_n by_o the_o parental_a relation_n to_o perform_v such_o act_n the_o other_o not_o he_o give_v our_o word_n thus_o the_o one_o be_v under_o a_o stand_a obligation_n the_o other_o not_o whereas_o our_o word_n do_v not_o deny_v friend_n to_o be_v under_o a_o obligation_n to_o such_o act_n but_o assert_v their_o obligation_n to_o be_v indifferent_a from_o that_o which_o be_v parental_a he_o grant_v pag._n 105._o that_o our_o reason_n must_v vail_v to_o the_o will_n of_o god_n reveal_v in_o scripture_n and_o whether_o there_o be_v any_o ground_n in_o 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they_o be_v resident_a in_o this_o or_o that_o particular_a church_n there_o be_v no_o need_n of_o pastor_n or_o teacher_n and_o his_o reason_n will_v be_v as_o strong_a for_o we_o as_o for_o he_o because_o they_o can_v do_v all_o their_o act_n and_o sure_o when_o there_o be_v many_o apostle_n at_o jerusalem_n and_o prophet_n at_o corinth_n 1_o cor._n 14._o though_o all_o do_v not_o speak_v at_o the_o same_o time_n yet_o none_o be_v un-necessary_a no_o more_o be_v gift_v man_n we_o may_v turn_v his_o argument_n pag._n 98._o upon_o himself_o god_n do_v nothing_o in_o vain_a but_o in_o case_n the_o preach_n of_o officer_n can_v render_v it_o unecessary_a for_o gift_a man_n to_o do_v it_o than_o he_o have_v do_v something_o in_o vain_a for_o we_o have_v prove_v that_o he_o have_v appoint_v gift_v man_n to_o preach_v ergo_fw-la it_o be_v false_a that_o gift_a man_n may_v not_o do_v it_o arg._n 4._o his_o four_o argument_n be_v take_v from_o the_o commit_n of_o gospel_n truth_n to_o faithful_a man_n who_o shall_v be_v able_a to_o teach_v other_o by_o god_n timothy_n 2_o tim._n 2._o 2._o vind._n revind_n pag._n 106._o to_o what_o he_o say_v about_o man_n be_v able_a to_o interpret_v the_o gospel_n out_o of_o the_o original_a into_o their_o own_o tongue_n we_o answer_v 1._o we_o grant_v a_o knowledge_n of_o the_o original_a to_o be_v a_o good_a help_n yet_o it_o be_v not_o absolute_o necessary_a as_o himself_o confess_v 2._o it_o be_v learning_n in_o gospel_n mystry_n that_o the_o text_n speak_v of_o 2_o tim._n 2._o 2._o the_o thing_n thou_o have_v hear_v of_o i_o commit_z etc._n etc._n as_o to_o what_o follow_v we_o say_v it_o be_v a_o commitment_n of_o the_o word_n not_o of_o person_n they_o to_o who_o this_o commitment_n be_v be_v set_v over_o none_o thereby_o it_o be_v to_o be_v commit_v 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d the_o epithet_n of_o member_n eph._n 1._o 1._o the_o church_n in_o other_o scripture_n not_o officer_n only_o be_v the_o object_n of_o the_o 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brethren_n as_o we_o show_v preacher_n send_v p._n 326._o as_o to_o what_o he_o say_v pag._n 142_o to_o tit._n 1._o 5._o we_o answer_v we_o do_v not_o call_v ordination_n a_o unnecessary_a adjunct_n the_o apostle_n pain_n may_v have_v be_v very_o useful_a in_o other_o place_n when_o yet_o the_o lord_n will_v have_v they_o abide_v at_o jerusalem_n and_o so_o titus_n at_o crete_n the_o set_n in_o order_n thing_n that_o be_v want_v be_v express_o and_o first_o mention_v as_o the_o cause_n of_o titus_n his_o stay_n at_o crete_n and_o as_o that_o concern_v but_o the_o well-being_n of_o the_o church_n no_o more_o do_v ordain_v of_o elder_n in_o every_o city_n for_o church_n have_v a_o be_v before_o officer_n act_n 14._o 23._o and_o if_o titus_n himself_o have_v act_v in_o neither_o of_o these_o work_n but_o only_o have_v take_v the_o oversight_n of_o those_o church_n and_o direct_v they_o therein_o yet_o it_o will_v have_v be_v necessary_a enough_o especial_o in_o that_o infant_n state_n 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that_fw-mi quod_fw-la non_fw-la habet_fw-la etc._n etc._n that_o christ_n free-people_n may_v have_v office-power_n eminent_o in_o they_o as_o well_o as_o those_o instance_a in_o be_v enough_o for_o we_o here_o we_o be_v in_o the_o defensive_a part_n but_o whereas_o he_o call_v p._n 144._o for_o divine_a institution_n we_o reply_v 1._o many_o like_a instance_n lie_n give_v and_o we_o have_v as_o good_a reason_n to_o call_v for_o a_o divine_a institution_n there_o as_o when_o he_o tell_v we_o pag._n 7._o of_o a_o vast_a number_n of_o sheep_n commit_v to_o twenty_o shepherd_n &c_n &c_n and_o p._n 8._o of_o a_o general_a relation_n to_o the_o whole_a empire_n &_o a_o special_a respect_n to_o their_o own_o territory_n we_o crave_v a_o divine_a institution_n for_o any_o such_o order_n in_o the_o church_n and_o so_o for_o his_o instance_n pag._n 131._o 132_o about_o a_o presentation_n and_o the_o archbishop_n and_o a_o d●_n of_o physic_n and_o 137._o 138._o of_o a_o corporation_n a_o court_n of_o alderman_n etc._n etc._n let_v he_o show_v a_o divine_a institution_n that_o it_o be_v so_o in_o the_o church_n and_o why_o do_v he_o require_v of_o we_o and_o not_o give_v it_o himself_o the_o use_n of_o such_o example_n be_v to_o clear_v some_o general_a rule_n to_o illustrate_v and_o to_o show_v that_o there_o be_v case_n parallel_v and_o we_o go_v thus_o far_o 2._o we_o give_v a_o institution_n in_o our_o argument_n to_o prove_v that_o election_n give_v the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_n as_o to_o minister_n be_v before_o the_o church_n we_o sufficient_o disprove_v it_o in_o our_o former_a book_n pag._n 303_o 304._o it_o be_v evident_a that_o church_n be_v before_o elder_n act._n 14._o 23._o it_o concern_v he_o to_o prove_v that_o any_o ordinary_a elder_n be_v before_o a_o church_n and_o that_o they_o act_n as_o officer_n to_o such_o as_o be_v no_o church_n else_o he_o say_v nothing_o to_o the_o purpose_n that_o church_n to_o be_v be_v gather_v and_o baptize_v by_o they_o 〈◊〉_d 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gift_n 2_o tim._n 1._o 6._o and_o of_o the_o office_n 1_o tim._n 4._o 14._o mr._n pool_n from_o pag._n 146._o to_o 151._o answ_n 1._o that_o it_o be_v a_o ordinary_a presbytery_n be_v not_o prove_v extraordinary_a officer_n be_v presbyter_n 2._o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d common_o signify_v a_o absolute_a gift_n &_o its_o questionable_a whether_o it_o be_v use_v any_o where_o for_o office_n 3._o it_o be_v a_o stir_v up_o as_o fire_n and_o it_o be_v very_o improper_a to_o say_v that_o office_n be_v so_o stir_v up_o especial_o see_v the_o gift_n be_v say_v to_o be_v in_o he_o which_o be_v not_o true_a of_o office_n though_o a_o man_n may_v be_v say_v to_o be_v in_o that_o which_o be_v in_o he_o as_o be_v swallow_v up_o or_o overcome_v thereby_o as_o a_o man_n in_o sin_n in_o bear_n or_o drink_v in_o joy_n etc._n etc._n yet_o it_o can_v with_o any_o propriety_n of_o speech_n be_v say_v that_o be_v in_o a_o man_n which_o be_v but_o upon_o he_o office_n be_v only_o adherent_a to_o a_o man_n not_o inherent_a or_o in_o he_o it_o be_v very_o improper_a to_o say_v to_o a_o major_n bailiff_n justice_n constable_n etc._n etc._n stir_v up_o the_o office_n that_o be_v in_o you_o 4._o if_o a_o extraordinary_a office_n may_v be_v convey_v by_o ordinary_a officer_n which_o be_v not_o prove_v yet_o their_o argument_n be_v of_o no_o force_n unless_o he_o can_v prove_v that_o it_o be_v do_v here_o what_o he_o add_v pag._n 149_o of_o its_o be_v ordinary_a in_o state_n and_o church_n for_o a_o person_n to_o have_v a_o office_n convey_v to_o he_o ministerial_o by_o such_o as_o be_v inferior_a to_o he_o etc._n etc._n do_v plain_o contradict_v what_o himself_o say_v p._n 138._o 160._o that_o the_o less_o be_v call_v of_o the_o great_a and_o by_o this_o rule_n though_o the_o people_n be_v inferior_a to_o their_o officer_n yet_o they_o may_v convey_v their_o office_n to_o they_o his_o instance_n of_o a_o king_n who_o office_n be_v convey_v by_o some_o of_o his_o subject_n if_o true_a prove_v that_o those_o who_o be_v place_v in_o a_o state_n of_o subjection_n yet_o may_v have_v authority_n enough_o to_o give_v the_o essence_n to_o their_o officer_n and_o so_o answer_v what_o he_o say_v pag._n 139._o 5._o it_o be_v seldom_o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v use_v for_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d and_o there_o be_v no_o evidence_n that_o it_o must_v be_v so_o take_v here_o 6._o that_o 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d be_v use_v for_o gift_n 2_o tim._n 1._o 6._o and_o for_o office_n 1_o tim._n 4._o 14._o be_v altogether_o without_o proof_n or_o probility_n of_o truth_n for_o as_o the_o phrase_n be_v improper_a neglect_v

church_n jus_fw-la diu._n min._n pag._n 139._o and_o mr._n poole_n say_v pag._n 25._o in_o scripture_n there_o be_v ne_fw-fr 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d 〈◊〉_d quidem_fw-la of_o any_o other_o door_n of_o admission_n and_o call_v the_o contrary_a a_o monstrous_a paradox_n pag._n 28._o and_o how_o he_o can_v deny_v it_o to_o be_v their_o assertion_n or_o free_v himself_o from_o self-contradiction_n in_o these_o expression_n we_o know_v not_o for_o what_o difference_n be_v there_o between_o be_v made_n a_o church-member_n by_o baptism_n and_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o church_n by_o baptism_n and_o how_o can_v one_o be_v a_o church-member_n fore_o baptism_n and_o yet_o be_v admit_v into_o the_o church_n by_o baptism_n especial_o if_o there_o be_v not_o any_o other_o door_n of_o admission_n how_o can_v those_o that_o be_v within_o the_o church_n already_o be_v say_v without_o a_o loss_n of_o membership_n to_o be_v admit_v into_o it_o by_o any_o after_o act_v sure_o admission_n be_v of_o those_o who_o be_v without_o and_o no_o member_n not_o of_o those_o who_o be_v within_o and_o be_v church-member_n the_o scripture_n know_v no_o such_o thing_n as_o a_o be_v church-member_n inchoate_n either_o they_o be_v church-member_n or_o not_o if_o they_o be_v church-member_n as_o he_o confess_v they_o be_v before_o baptism_n than_o they_o be_v admit_v for_o membership_n presuppose_v admission_n 2._o as_o well_o may_v we_o say_v that_o man_n be_v officer_n by_o a_o church_n election_n before_o ordination_n and_o only_o the_o solemn_a admission_n into_o the_o office_n or_o rather_o exercise_v of_o it_o to_o be_v by_o ordination_n as_o he_o may_v assert_v a_o admission_n by_o baptism_n after_o membership_n and_o then_o the_o essence_n of_o the_o call_v to_o office_n be_v not_o in_o ordination_n 3._o if_o infant_n church-membership_a be_v as_o he_o say_v pag._n 24._o the_o ground_n of_o their_o baptism_n than_o they_o be_v visible_a church-member_n before_o their_o be_v baptise_a for_o the_o ground_n of_o a_o action_n must_v be_v visible_a before_o act_v and_o so_o their_o visible_a admission_n into_o the_o church_n be_v not_o by_o baptism_n but_o before_o it_o and_o in_o convert_n profession_n of_o faith_n which_o he_o suppose_v they_o church-member_n by_o must_v first_o be_v visible_a and_o so_o their_o visible_a admission_n into_o the_o church_n be_v antecedaneous_a to_o and_o be_v not_o by_o their_o baptism_n and_o as_o public_a as_o their_o profession_n be_v so_o public_a be_v their_o visible_a church-membership_a or_o admission_n into_o the_o church_n before_o baptism_n as_o to_o what_o follow_v pag._n 24._o 25._o we_o former_o do_v and_o still_o do_v deny_v that_o a_o minister_n eject_v a_o man_n just_o out_o of_o his_o own_o church_n eject_v he_o juridical_o out_o of_o all_o other_o church_n for_o this_o see_v our_o answer_n to_o dr._n collings_n epistle_n object_n if_o he_o be_v not_o juridical_o eject_v out_o of_o other_o church_n than_o he_o be_v in_o a_o capacity_n of_o be_v receive_v into_o other_o church_n which_o what_o horrid_a confusion_n it_o will_v introduce_v etc._n etc._n mr._n poole_n pag._n 24._o answ_n it_o will_v not_o follow_v for_o that_o sin_n which_o make_v the_o ejection_n just_a will_v make_v another_o church_n admission_n unjust_a yet_o mens_fw-la incapacity_n to_o be_v receive_v by_o other_o church_n do_v not_o arise_v from_o their_o be_v cast_v out_o of_o those_o church_n but_o from_o the_o want_n of_o such_o qualification_n as_o be_v perquisite_a to_o admission_n into_o church-fellowship_n he_o grant_v p._n 25._o that_o when_o a_o minister_n be_v juridical_o eject_v out_o of_o office_n in_o a_o particular_a church_n by_o deposition_n he_o cease_v to_o be_v a_o officer_n to_o the_o universal_a church_n whence_o we_o infer_v that_o if_o he_o repent_v and_o become_v a_o officer_n again_o he_o must_v have_v a_o new_a ordination_n or_o else_o he_o may_v of_o no_o officer_n become_v a_o officer_n without_o ordination_n and_o so_o ordination_n be_v not_o essential_a to_o office_n that_o which_o follow_v pag._n 25._o be_v but_o a_o repetition_n of_o what_o he_o have_v say_v and_o be_v answer_v before_o that_o such_o as_o be_v convert_v from_o heathenism_n may_v join_v as_o member_n to_o some_o church_n and_o so_o be_v baptize_v we_o prove_v preacher_n sent._n pag._n 289._o he_o repli_v nothing_o to_o the_o proof_n of_o it_o yet_o charge_v we_o for_o obtrude_a uncouth_a notion_n upon_o the_o world_n without_o evident_a proof_n etc._n etc._n and_o he_o that_o say_v pag._n 24._o they_o be_v church-member_n inchoate_v before_o baptism_n and_o who_o make_v so_o little_a a_o matter_n of_o admission_n into_o a_o particular_a church_n shall_v not_o stumble_v at_o this_o notion_n and_o what_o be_v say_v to_o show_v that_o admission_n be_v not_o by_o baptism_n will_v not_o be_v far_o from_o a_o proof_n of_o it_o our_o argument_n preacher_n sent._n pag._n 292._o plain_o show_v that_o their_o assertion_n run_v they_o upon_o anabaptism_n mr._n poole_n pag._n 26._o 27._o give_v a_o double_a reason_n against_o it_o 1._o that_o a_o excommunicate_a person_n ordinary_o be_v a_o church-member_n though_o a_o disease_a member_n 2_o thes_n 3._o etc._n etc._n 2._o though_o his_o baptism_n cease_v at_o present_a actual_o and_o real_o as_o to_o all_o the_o actual_a privilege_n of_o it_o so_o cease_v that_o while_n he_o repent_v not_o he_o be_v to_o be_v look_v upon_o after_o a_o sort_n as_o a_o unbaptised_a person_n yet_o when_o he_o do_v repent_v and_o readmit_v himself_o to_o the_o church_n he_o need_v no_o new_a baptism_n forasmuch_o as_o god_n be_v please_v to_o impute_v to_o he_o his_o former_a baptism_n and_o the_o church_n accept_v of_o it_o etc._n etc._n answ_n 1._o anabaptism_n unavoidable_o follow_v upon_o their_o assertion_n thus_o he_o that_o cease_v to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n his_o baptism_n cease_v say_v they_o jus_n divin_n min._n pag._n 146._o but_o he_o that_o be_v excommunicate_a cease_v say_v they_o to_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o visible_a church_n for_o they_o tell_v we_o excommunication_n eject_v out_o of_o that_o church_n jus_n divin_n min._n pag._n 139._o ergo_fw-la he_o that_o be_v excommunicate_a his_o baptism_n cease_v ergo_fw-la if_o he_o be_v readmit_v he_o must_v be_v rebaptise_v or_o else_o be_v in_o the_o church_n unbaptise_v sure_o mr._n poole_n will_v not_o say_v that_o one_o may_v be_v eject_v out_o of_o and_o yet_o remain_v a_o member_n of_o the_o church_n for_o it_o be_v a_o contradiction_n to_o say_v that_o one_o be_v out_o of_o and_o yet_o in_o the_o church_n at_o the_o same_o time_n and_o contrary_a to_o 1_o corin._n 5._o 12._o which_o prove_v that_o those_o who_o be_v without_o be_v not_o within_o yet_o he_o have_v no_o other_o way_n to_o save_v the_o london_n minister_n from_o the_o dint_n of_o the_o forego_n conclusion_n to_o help_v they_o out_o of_o this_o labyrinth_n mr._n poole_n tell_v we_o that_o a_o excommunicate_a person_n be_v a_o church-member_n still_o but_o this_o be_v not_o to_o defend_v but_o to_o contradict_v they_o who_o cause_n he_o undertake_v to_o to_o plead_v for_o they_o tell_v we_o a_o excommunicate_a person_n be_v eject_v out_o of_o the_o church_n and_o mr._n poole_n say_v he_o be_v a_o member_n of_o the_o church_n still_o this_o therefore_o may_v suffice_v for_o the_o defence_n of_o what_o we_o have_v say_v but_o we_o shall_v add_v a_o few_o word_n 2._o it_o be_v the_o judgement_n of_o many_o that_o the_o withdraw_v mention_v 2_o thes_n 3._o ver_fw-la 6._o 14._o vast_o differ_v from_o excommunication_n because_o after_o the_o one_o a_o man_n be_v to_o be_v deem_v as_o a_o brother_n and_o after_o the_o other_o he_o be_v to_o be_v account_v as_o a_o heathen_a and_o a_o publican_n mat._n 18._o ver_fw-la 17._o and_o if_o so_o this_o be_v no_o proof_n that_o excommunicate_a person_n be_v church-member_n see_v the_o text_n speak_v nothing_o of_o excommunication_n but_o only_o of_o withdraw_v 3._o we_o observe_v his_o halt_n here_o he_o do_v not_o say_v a_o excommunicate_a person_n always_o but_o ordinary_o be_v a_o member_n as_o if_o excommunication_n do_v sometime_o make_v a_o man_n cease_v to_o be_v a_o church-member_n but_o ordinary_o not_o which_o there_o be_v no_o syllable_n in_o scripture_n for_o and_o much_o against_o it_o mat._n 18_o v._n 17._o excommunicate_a person_n be_v to_o be_v deem_v as_o heathen_n and_o publican_n ergo_fw-la not_o as_o church-member_n that_o such_o as_o be_v excommunicate_a for_o blasphemy_n deny_v christ_n to_o be_v the_o messiah_n or_o renounce_v some_o such_o grand_a article_n of_o faith_n shall_v still_o be_v a_o church-member_n be_v strange_a doctrine_n yet_o this_o must_v be_v or_o else_o his_o argument_n pag._n 26._o be_v nought_o for_o it_o may_v be_v say_v he_o who_o be_v under_o a_o church_n

22._o 4._o as_o to_o 1_o sam._n 3._o 20._o it_o do_v not_o in_o the_o least_o intimate_v that_o god_n send_v a_o message_n by_o samuel_n be_v his_o authorization_n or_o call_v to_o be_v a_o prophet_n but_o only_o that_o the_o answer_v his_o message_n by_o the_o event_n do_v give_v a_o knowledge_n which_o the_o fruit_n and_o effect_n of_o a_o call_n may_v do_v that_o he_o be_v authorize_v and_o call_v the_o word_n be_v plain_a ver_fw-la 19_o 23._o the_o lord_n do_v let_v none_o of_o his_o word_n fall_v to_o the_o ground_n and_o all_o israel_n know_v that_o samuel_n be_v establish_v to_o be_v a_o prophet_n of_o the_o lord_n 5._o if_o they_o be_v not_o extraordinary_a yet_o they_o may_v be_v ordinary_a prophet_n in_o old_a testament_n time_n there_o be_v two_o sort_n of_o prophet_n some_o that_o have_v a_o immediate_a extraordinary_a call_n to_o foretell_v thing_n to_o come_v as_o isaiah_n jeremiah_n etc._n etc._n other_o that_o be_v instruct_v in_o the_o school_n under_o the_o discipline_n of_o other_o prophet_n whence_o they_o be_v call_v son_n of_o the_o prophet_n 2_o king_n 2._o 7._o and_o 6._o v._o 1._o these_o have_v a_o faculty_n with_o dexterity_n to_o interpret_v scripture_n and_o explain_v prophecy_n and_o a_o call_v to_o do_v it_o and_o a_o word_n from_o the_o lord_n 1_o king_n 20._o 35._o some_o of_o these_o may_v pretend_v to_o immediate_a revelation_n when_o they_o have_v they_o not_o and_o therein_o may_v run_v before_o they_o be_v send_v yet_o may_v be_v send_v to_o do_v the_o work_n of_o ordinary_a prophet_n and_o their_o be_v join_v with_o the_o priest_n in_o the_o same_o reproof_n under_o the_o name_n of_o prophet_n jer._n 23._o v._n 11._o 33_o 34._o speak_v much_o for_o their_o be_v god_n prophet_n as_o well_o as_o the_o other_o be_v his_o priest_n though_o both_o under_o a_o sad_a degeneration_n 6._o if_o they_o have_v no_o call_n of_o god_n yet_o the_o argument_n be_v invalid_a and_o can_v speak_v against_o gift_a man_n preach_v see_v they_o as_o we_o have_v prove_v have_v a_o call_v to_o preach_v to_o our_o argument_n from_o v._o 22._o he_o say_v ob._n 2._o the_o stand_n in_o god_n counsel_n and_o speak_v god_n word_n imply_v a_o call_n there_o be_v another_o read_n very_o conformable_a to_o the_o hebrew_n text_n if_o they_o have_v stand_v in_o my_o counsel_n i._n e._n if_o they_o have_v stand_v till_o i_o have_v send_v they_o etc._n etc._n so_o that_o this_o be_v a_o evidence_n that_o they_o be_v false_a prophet_n mr_n pool_n pag._n 112._o answ_n 1._o it_o do_v not_o in_o the_o least_o imply_v such_o a_o cal_n as_o they_o can_v not_o be_v prophet_n without_o for_o those_o that_o be_v 12._o 2_o chro._n 24._o ●19_n jer._n 26._o 12._o before_o true_a prophet_n yet_o do_v stand_v in_o god_n counsel_n etc._n etc._n in_o every_o new_a message_n from_o he_o and_o do_v sometime_o as_o we_o have_v prove_v prophesy_v lie_n and_o therein_o they_o do_v not_o stand_v in_o his_o counsel_n or_o cause_n to_o hear_v his_o word_n and_o so_o all_o that_o be_v here_o say_v in_o such_o case_n may_v be_v speak_v to_o true_a prophet_n and_o therefore_o can_v be_v no_o evidence_n as_o he_o will_v have_v it_o that_o these_o be_v false_a prophet_n in_o respect_n of_o their_o call_n 2._o the_o hebrew_n do_v not_o at_o all_o favour_n such_o a_o read_v as_o he_o speak_v of_o the_o word_n do_v not_o signify_v mission_n but_o counsel_n or_o secret_a as_o gen._n 49._o 6._o o_o my_o soul_n come_v not_o thou_o into_o their_o secret_n it_o be_v strange_a language_n to_o say_v come_v not_o into_o their_o mission_n and_o as_o strange_a to_o say_v if_o they_o have_v stand_v in_o my_o mission_n but_o if_o they_o have_v stand_v in_o my_o counsel_n or_o secret_a be_v consonant_n to_o the_o hebrew_n and_o it_o be_v explain_v in_o the_o follow_a word_n &_o have_v cause_v to_o hear_v my_o word_n which_o plain_o intimate_v that_o their_o not_o declare_v his_o word_n but_o lie_v as_o v._o 25._o their_o broach_n false_a doctrine_n not_o 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